User talk:Julizone

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Hello, Julizone, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially your edits to British Orthodontic Society. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:


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Issues
I am happy to discuss the editing of British Orthodontic Society with you. Are you associated with the organization?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  17:53, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

British Orthodontic Society
Hello Sphilbrick Apologies, as I am learning how to communicate in Wikipedia for the first time! Regarding the entry and edit of the British Orthodontic Society (BOS), I have been tasked by the Society to populate this page. I am a long time member of the BOS, currently sit on the Board of Trustees and am the Honorary Patron this year. Thus the job! Please bear with me as I am grappling with the process of setting up the page. There is little in the way of references as most of the information resides with the BOS itself. However, I intend to include as much as I can. Julizone (talk) 08:03, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

== Undid revision 908283239 by Sphilbrick (talk) This is an official edit by the British Orthodontic Society. It has been sanctioned by the BOS Julizone is the current Patron of the society ==

Hi Sphilbrick I am still trying to add the additional material to populate the British Orthodontic Society page. I am unsure why you are not happy with my edit. Would you be kind enough to explain the problem, please, and I will try to rectify it. Thank youJulizone (talk) 09:18, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Why this isn't going well so far
I am happy to hear that the BOS wants a better article in Wikipedia about the society.

Unfortunately, I have to report multiple problems.

The first is that you report that you "have been tasked by the Society to populate this page". Wikipedia desires that articles be written by editors who are independent of the subject. We somewhat reluctantly permit editors who are not independent of the subject to contribute, but such editors have a conflict of interest, and must abide by the provisions outlined at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest

Among those provisions is a specific need to disclose your COI, which hasn't been done.

A second issue involves copyright violations. It is quite common for editors associated with an organization to believe that they can copy material created by that organization and include it in an article. In some cases, the organization might specifically tell that individual they are permitted to do so. However, with the rare exception of material that has been specifically licensed in a way that it can be used in Wikipedia, most content associated with organizations is subject to a full copyright, and cannot be used without explicit permission.

The procedures for providing such permission can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials

However, before going down that path, be aware that that in addition to being freely licensed, material must be unbiased, and most material created by organizations is understandably biased in favor of that organization.

You are encouraged to post suggestions for improvement to the article on the article talk page, and then let independent editors make changes they feel are acceptable. (You still need to comply with COI requirements).

I'm sorry we are making it so difficult for you to help improve this article, but readers of Wikipedia articles have come to count on the fact that Wikipedia endeavors to ensure that material is neutrally written, and not just recycled from material created by the subject of the article. S Philbrick (Talk)  15:44, 18 August 2019 (UTC)