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Criticism of Microsoft
Hi, Jurohi. LOL - I'm not payed by Microsoft and I am looking at the Bill Gates article objectively. I just happen to think the previous edit is more "down-the-middle", if you will. But it's certainly only my opinion. If you still feel strongly about the word change, by all means edit it again and see if it sticks. Happy editing. PJM 15:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

List of Slovaks
Hi, I assume it is you who has rearranged the List of Slovaks. Can you tell me whether you have left out some persons / names forms / text (because I am unable to follow the big number of changes). Thanx. Juro 03:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes it's me :).
 * No names were removed except the huge hockey players list, which I moved to a separate (new) article. I plan to cleanup noble families too, keepening only the relevant individuals, since this should be the list of a singles figures, rather than families and there is a dedicated article on this issue.
 * BTW Glad to hear from you. I was going to ask your opinion and suggestions regarding the list. I know it is far from clean and consistent, but it's not easy to create a meaningful divisions as you can imagine. I appreciate your work, often uneasy, when discussing with our hungarian wikimates :) You have my support. Jurohi 04:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, as for the talk pages: there is no rule, some people prefer to answer on the other user's talk page, others reply on the same page. Juro 06:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thx. But you are not notified if I continue answering on my page. Are you? What about the rest? Jurohi 06:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Some users use to tell on the other page that they will reply on their own page. And, I have you on my watchlist now. If the question "What about the rest" refers to the nobles, then I would say that just continue, but try not to leave out any name or family in the end. BTW, the List of Slovaks was originally meant as a starting point for seeing which articles are not written yet, hence the concept. Juro 22:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reply, although you skipped few questions. I was particulary curious to hear your opinion regarding the L_of_S subdivisions, whether it be positive or negative. I take the absence of your comment for a tacit consent :). The second issue is a constant fight with hungarian editors, which is realy frustrating. I wander if there is any sort of general solution to this problem, otherwise it turns to be a kind of Sisyphean task. But probably there is not any, beyond what you are doing already ie constant discussion and reverting. I just wanted to express my solidarity and appreciation for your patience. Third: From time to time I watch the overwhelming amount of your contributions, which makes me realy curious to learn something more about you. How can you afford to dedicate all that energy and time to wikipedia? And especialy what is the impulse behind your effort? It cannot be just philantrophy. Or is it just that? Please forget these questions, if you find them too personal, plus sorry in advance if this is the case. Jurohi 03:16, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course, you have my tacit consent. Although, technically, I think it is better to have a more general subdivision, because then persons belonging into several "categories" can be categorized and found more easily. So from this point of view, maybe it would be better to find something between the old and the new subdivision, but otherwise the subdivision is OK. And for the Hungarian editors (but it is not so much the Hungarian editors, rather a group of Hungarian vandals that are the problem here [unless the vandals are the editors under different names]), if you think that what you have seen recently is a problem, I can only tell you, you have seen nothing yet (all the discussions long time ago etc.). There are no rules for such things here and unfortunately these things are considered normal in the meantime here. As for me, I dedicate more to the wikipedia than I want, but in "absolute numbers" it is not that much. And wikipedia's success is based on the energy of exactly such "idiots" like me. But, if I was not here, Košice would be under Kassa, all Slovaks would be under Hungarians or Poles, and there would be no article about Slovakia besides Bratislava, Tatra and Kassa. And if you look at the current state of Slovakia-related articles, the wikipedia would need at least 5 such editors like me, because many elementary persons and places are still, basically everything, is still missing here. Juro 03:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that people falling into multiple categories is a major problem. Eventualy it will be resolved when the article will split as the list will grow (same as for poets and writers). Other solutions are possible, however for now I am glad of readability and especialy editability being enhanced. Regarding the 'Hungarian vandals and non' issue: Thanks a lot for illumination. Apparently more editors are highly desirable. I will try to help although my limited resources allow me to add only bits (I feel constantly guilty after spending hours in front of the box) and unfortunately I am not particulary strong in geopolitical history and related issues. However I would try to sensibilize and involve some other guys. I realy don't like the idea of Slovakia still being just Upper Hungary... The topics discussed could probably deserve the attention of institutions. This might be the right direction where to look for the help. It is quite unfair how much must depend on generous ethusiasts like you. Anyway things are evolving quickly and being positive minded I hope they will change for better. Meenwhile I realy do wish that you will not loose your passion and patience. Until the time when you will be properly rewarded for what you are doing, at least many thanks and good luck. Jurohi 05:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I have not missed the reply, I just agree with what you are saying, so I have not seen a special reason for replying. And concerning my "catching changes in the sk wiki" - I do not understand the question - how am I "catching" the changes there?? I basically add "one" link a month to the sk wiki, which is nothing; and generally I just guess and try and if the link works, I keep it. There is no special procedure. Juro 17:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry for not having been clear enough. I wasn't talking about sk-wiki, rather I ment Slovakia related articles (or possibly any other topic of your preference) here on interwiki. Apparently there is some mechanism (unkown to me), which notifies you when a new article is created within the area of your interest. I am asking since I was amazed how quickly you correct articles that were just created. How do you find them? Two examples to be even clearer: morena and kukura. You can't just scan all new articles, can you? Am I missing something? Jurohi 08:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah... I see...The answer is very simple: I have virtually all existing Slovaki-related articles on my watchlist and if someone apppears and changes something there I check his past edits - recently, I have done this for Tankred and for you, for example, and this is how I can check whether the user is a vandal and at the same time see and check his other contributions, if necessary. The I add the articles to my watchlist and the whole procedure continues as above...And a concathedral, as far as I know, is the main church of an archbishopric (a cathedral being the main church of a bishopric). Maybe someone should write an article about this, if it does not exist yet. Juro 05:36, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hm. I thought there was some wikiadmin-hacking-magic involved. The list must be huge. :) Thanks. Jurohi 05:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Interpreters
I tried to search through some Wikipedia articles to see, which word is used there, and I think "instrumentalist" could the one we seek. Before I did this, I also asked Avraham why he reverted my edit at the List of Slovaks, so we can also wait for his opinion (according to his Babel chart he is a native English speaker).

Jan.Kamenicek 19:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Olessi IT
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Oecher
Oecher has nothing to do with Slovakia or Slovaks aside from being born in Bratislava, which itself was a German-populated city at the time. It states clearly he was a German etcher who barely spent any significant time in Slovakia. It is silly to include him. Antidote


 * There were many disputes about who is apropriate to include where. The basic question is: What is the criteria to label a person as belonging to a certain nation? AFAIK everybody-satisfying asnwer was not found yet. Is it one's birthplace, citizenship, his native language, his parents nationality, the place where he spent most of the time, his own feeling about the issue, his blod or race (just to name few)? All this information is rarely available even for the living people and gets more and more blury and incomplete when going to the past. So unless one's name is John Smith born in England to English parents the things can become complicated. The solution adopted by most of the people is that of the overlaping sets ie. multiple label are allowed. I admit that you might complain if the article's name List of Slovaks was to be taken strictly. However as you can see from the article's content (as well as contents of other similar articles), this should be refered to more properly as something like List of Slovaks and people related to Slovakia or of Slovak descent which would be somehow long as article's name. If you still feel strongly about being right go ahead with removing, but to be coherent you should remove many others too eg. Harry Houdini in the List of people from New York, since he was Hungarian but you should probably remove him also from the List of Hungarians since he was a Jew too (just one for all). Anyway thanks for your other contributions to List of Slovaks. Regards. Jurohi 06:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Slovaks (recent changes)
Hi. As one of the main editors of the List of Slovaks, maybe you can express your opinion about an ongoing dispute. An IP is trying to remove many names from the list because of their ambiguous "national identity". Those changes are quite significant and it seems to me that they are inspired by a nationalistic POV. Although I have been successful in reverting them so far, it would be better if other editors of the list, who are not involved in this particular dispute, express their opinion too and if a more general consensus is reached. Tankred 10:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Alas, an edit war started again there. And it will be even worse soon. Unfortunately, I will not have much time to look after this article. Cheers. Tankred 12:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

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I was worried when you disappeared and I am really happy that you are active again. Tankred 06:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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 * Hi Jurohi, good to hear from you. It has been a long time and many things have happened. As to Juro, he was banned for use of sockpuppets and there is practically no way how this ban can be lifted. He had already been on probation. Bratislava is very close to become the first article about Slovakia achieving an FA status. Several people (including me) have been working hard on that article, but I would give the main kudos to a relatively new user from Bratislava, MarkBA. Please feel free to suggest further improvements either here or on the article’s talk page. Or you can edit the article yourself – if I can conjure to writing about Slovakia again:-) Anyway, please do not forget to cast your ballot on the FAC page when you are satisfied with the article. Jurohi, I know how frustrating some people here can be, but I still look forward to your full return. Tankred 23:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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NPOV on Bat out of Hell III: The Monster Is Loose
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 * Hi Kevin, this looks to me like an automated edit, or copy-paste. Anyway, I don't feel like starting a long useless discussion. I just wander if you have checked the argument we are talking about. Have you? It is well known (among those who know the topic) that the artist we are talking about is few classes bellow the other two. While I perfectly agree with the NPOV policy, in your terms we should practically stop using adjectives. Welcome to Wikipedia to you too, but please put some time and read before doing indiscriminate automated reverts. Answer welcome. Jurohi (talk) 05:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello, Jurohi. Having read your addition, I fully agree with Kevin's points. It would have been acceptable to cite an established critic published in a reliable source making a similar assertion, but as Wikipedia editors we must be neutral. Established Wikipedia editors regularly use standard messages (like above) to save time explaining common errors. However, the revert itself was not automated (you can usually tell by the specificity of the edit summary). Thanks,  The JPS talk to me  09:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello JPS. I appreciate your polite tone and explanation, however I must pose the same question, which was not answered: Have you checked the topic before judging? I mean, did you see the 3 images in question? Thanks.Jurohi (talk) 10:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I am very familiar with all three albums and their packaging, that is irrelevant. Any judgment about quality, or interpretation, is subjective, and it is not for us, mere Wikipedia editors to make. In this respect, perhaps the more relevant policy is no original research. The JPS talk to me  12:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Please read my reply to Kevin below which apply to both of you.
 * Jurohi, I'm sorry if my use of a standard-issue template offended you; The JPS has explained my purpose in using it, which was not part of an indiscriminate revert. JPS also nailed all the points I might have made regarding the edit and related policy, so I'll leave it at that... except to say that I too am quite familiar with all three album covers — and, to be frank, personally agree with you about the inferiority of the third — but, as JPS put it, my opinion is irrelevant. Thank you both for engaging in this discussion. Kevin Forsyth (talk) 15:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Kevin. Thanks for your reply. Sorry for being spiky. I was not offended, rather I was amused after reading "Welcome to Wikipedia", and so I could not avoid a bit of irony. It is that I have had quite a bad experience with some wikipedians, so I may be a bit defensive. In the past I was involved in several time consuming discussions pointing nowhere, which I would like to avoid. Your good faith is clear now so no problem. Jurohi (talk) 04:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To Kevin and JPS: I am glad to hear you both know the subject, so although not completely convinced, I must say you win (2:1) :). Let's consider the issue of the covers closed. However you raised another more important question, and if you don't mind spending few more minutes reading and answering this, it will be greatly appreciated: I knew about NPOV policy, but "no original research" and "verifiability" are new to me (thanks JPS for pointing me there). After reading them I must say, you (or better say those policies) practically crashed my whole little wikiworld. If those policies were to be strictly applied, IMHO some 80% of Wikipeadia would be gone, and it would be a pity (again IMHO). The number (80) may vary widely depending on your personal experience (i.e. which kind of pages do you read). Obviously I have no authority to question those policies decided by many, so please don't take this as arguing. Just I feel really confused and I am trying to rebuild my view to editing. Wikipedia is intrinsically unreliable (or not 100% reliable), although we all wish the contrary. Apparently the 2 policies address this problem, but what would happen if the "all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source" principle was strictly applied? I have believed that the basic mechanism to guarantee (or at least to try) the correctness of the info in Wikipedia is the editors community consensus (or disapproval). Probably the question was not clearly stated, but I am sure you understand what I am talking about, so looking forward for your suggestions. Jurohi (talk) 04:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You are completely right in your observations about the quality of many Wikipedia articles. This is an unavoidable problem with an open source project. The policies you mention are the goal, but, unfortunately, there are far less editors who are willing to spend time to develop articles properly. To be honest, I produced many what I now know to be substandard articles in my first year. However, once one becomes aware of the standards we aim for, there is no excuse for breaching them. Practically every fact I've added in the last two years has been supported by a source. If you take a look at this page, you will see the changes being made to the project this minute. You will probably notice that there are a lot of unregistered users. Some will be good edits, but most not. The result is the phenomenon you mention ("some 80% of Wikipeadia would be gone"). We have a guideline, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. We have formal peer review processes to select the best quality articles. All three Bat albums have been certified good -- I myself spent many hours getting them to that standard. The ultimate standard is featured. "...principle was strictly applied?" There are some steps an editor can take to express concern over an article's lack of referencing. One can place the unreferenced tag at the top (e.g. Granada Television). If there is a particular statement within an article that is unreferenced, then you can add fact next to it, highlighting to any interested parties that a reference should be found. After a grace period, the offending statement can be removed if no reference has been provided. Such tags can look ugly if used over-zealously, though. Unreferenced negative assertions about living persons must be removed immediately, without a grace period. "Wikipedia is intrinsically unreliable". Indeed. It presents the casual reader with an overview of a topic, whilst a well referenced article allows the interested reader to follow links to a reliable source. Many articles that don't cite their sources are truthful, and useful for the general reader. But, without those references, how are we supposed to tell the difference? Some kids are trying to use Wikipedia to spread a rumour about a fifth film in the Scream (film series). They added a paragraph, with reference. However, checking the ref reveals that they haven't been truthful about what their source is saying... I'm not sure I've answered your question. Probably raised new ones!! The JPS talk to me  02:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OK JPS, thanks for your time. I have read WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Again it was new to me, so I updated my knowledge of Wikipedia policies. However my point was not "I want to do it wrong way since many others do too". I don't cite an article, instead I relate to the whole (or large part) of Wikipedia. The rules are useful, but as with any system of laws, blindly following them may not always be the best thing to do. Basically I am saying that perhaps some more space might be given to common sense, especially in the context of the project where anonymous IP is allowed to write anything. I would see such strict policies logical within Britannica, and inside Wikipedia I would label them more as guide lines. But of course, who am I to say :). I see Wikipedia more like an index of potentially useful but unsafe info, which may are may not be true (tough most of it probably being true). The point is that if we striped out all unreferenced stuff, it would still remain unsafe, since no one guarantees that the references are valid. I feel this is not far from how you have stated it above. Having agreed on this point I believe it is better having 100 insecure words rather than having them 20 referenced, but still insecure. Still no doubt that referenced is better. To conclude, I am curious to hear you position on the following example: Recently I did an edit about a software. You can check here: VMware Workstation (the piece about 2 CPU limit). The piece of info I added is quite important for the users, and should be present in product's documentation. But it is not. There is no way to find it in any text available on-line. I tested the software to get the answer and I put it to the article in belief it can be helpful to somebody. But, according to the policies it would be considered "original research", may be verifiable (one should install the software to verify tough), but still not conform with the policies. Would you remove it? I dare to say that most of those who read that article would not agree. So how do we want to take the rules? Jurohi (talk) 04:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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 * Thanks :). I will. Just I have to find it (it may take a while). Jurohi (talk)

Leopoldo Galtieri
Whatever your opinion, WP isn't censored so please do not vandalise the article again. L3 Vandalism warning as I presume given the message on my talk page the IP edit is your own. Vandalism includes inserting misleading information, like trying to wipe out the Military Dictatorship as governing Argentina.

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 * Dear Justin. Yes IP 93.. was me. Frankly I don't understand why all that hostility and intimidation in your lines...? I may have been wrong. I admit I am not an expert in Argentinian history, but I can assure you that my intentions were genuinely positive. I didn't mean to offend anybody. I simply noticed that the sequence of presidents contained few logical errors (still does) and I tried to correct that. I did my first WP edit some 4 years ago, but I was never called a vandal. Let's be constructive. Please check my reasoning bellow: One would expect that the words Preceded by and Succeeded by would safely move you back and forth in the chronological line of presidents. Unfortunately presidents since No44 to No48 are slightly messed up (check yourself). There are 2 presidents with the same index 45 (Leopoldo Galtieri and Carlos Lacoste). No 44 Roberto Eduardo Viola + 'succeeded by' points to Carlos Lacoste and No45Leopoldo Galtieri points to No48!!! Moreover there is no No46! My edit was intended to make order in the sequence. This way it would also be consistent with the Spanish version of WP. If I am wrong, please explain why. In any case you should be more careful before calling people vandals. Looking forward for your explanation. Jurohi (talk) 18:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Do not restore content that I have removed from my talk page. I have a notice that I remove content I have no intent of archiving and have done for some time.
 * Secondly, the Spanish wikipedia is sadly hardly a reliable source or a source, since anything related to Argentina is policed by a hard core of nationalists. They seek to expunge the Dirty War period.  This is why wikipedia is out of whack as they remove the military presidents.
 * Finally, there is nothing hostile or intimidating in anything I wrote, your edit to remove information was vandalistic in nature. You restored it having challenged it, I suggest you read the essay WP:BRD next time if you restore content that is vandalistic, don't be surprised to be labelled a vandal.  Justin talk 19:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I did not restore anything on your page. Check better, you will see. Again you are accusing without a reason. Anyway, having said that, thanks for your reply. I got your point about Spanish WP. Still I am missing an explanation regarding the main point of the controversy - what is wrong with my edit and why you called me vandal. I repeat, there was nothing political or offensive. I simply tried to adjust the correct order of a sequence 44-45-46-47-48. Now it is 44&lt;45a&gt;45b, 44&lt;45b&gt;48, no 46 etc... In other words, the sequence is messed up, the preceding and succeeding links are inconsistent as well as index numbers 44 45 45 47. Am I missing something? Please enlighten me. Thanks in advance. Jurohi (talk) 06:30, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes you did, you restored an earlier message. I am not accusing you of anything, merely asking you not to do it again.  I have also provided you with an explanation, the Galtieri article is correct, vandalism on the others is the issue.  Justin talk 11:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * No I did not! Obviously you answered without verifying. Please, see your revert at 15:05 22august. Apparently you thought you were reverting to your previous version but there was 1 more edit (by bot), so it was YOU who reverted to my edit not me.
 * We seem to have the similar situation with the main point: you have not yet provided any real argument to explain why you believe that 2 persons should be labeled as president of Argentina No45. You didn't show who is the president No46 and there was no comment about other preceding - succeeding inconsistencies. Thanks. Jurohi (talk) 18:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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