User talk:Jurplesman

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Please be mindful of Wikipedia's policy on spam, which includes the addition of any sorts of links that are promotional in nature. I notice you've added links to a site you are affiliated with as well as mentioning your book. You've added a lot of content as well, but it's important that all Wikipedia content be verifiable and conform to a neutral-point-of-view. Granted, you have provided references, but they're mostly related to your association or book. For now, I've tagged the section as needing attention for those reasons; since you're obviously quite knowledgeable in the field, perhaps you'll see areas that need to be adjusted to conform with the aforementioned policies. Feel free to remove that "advert" tag once the section's language has been modified to better conform to Wikipedia policy.

Again, welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for contributing. Please feel free to ask me or any other experienced Wikipedian questions.  OhNo itsJamie Talk 04:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've moved the contributions on each article to their respective Talk pages. Feel free to rewrite and add back to the article page. -- Barrylb 05:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Friendly advice...
Don't rely on your credentials to back up your stuff. The contingent here can be vicious when things are not evidence-based. Unless you have an impartial reference, that is not self-referent, don't even bother to start the conversation. You will spend the majority of your time defending something that is a false issue. Believe me...a handful of degrees, more than a handful of publications, a decade teaching at university, and 30 years of experience -- all of which I have in common with you -- won't provide you with any more credibility here than some of these university sophomores who think they know something. And they will let you know it in high fashion. Do the work, skip the CV, and documentment, document, document. It'll keep you sane. Cheers!--Sadhaka 12:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Talk to me


 * Stop being petulant, and quit your grandstanding. These...


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...are the rules. One expects that with a little less ego and a bit more and cooperation, your contributions portend to be considerable. --Sadhaka 11:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

It is not so much of being petulant and grand standing as the realization that my views on the treatment of depression are based on my unique personal experiences of having been a depressed patient myself. It is based on having worked as a psychotherapist and Clinical Nutritionist with people who were classed as  treatment resistant or recidivist clients. They finished up in jail. Prisons in modern society are now the old 'insane asylums'. More than 75% of prisoners have an addiction problem, as part of their offences. I see depression as the forerunner of addiction. Thus the vast majority of prisoners are mentally ill. This is because in my opinion the so-called experts in human behaviour have failed miserably in helping these people, partly because of attitudes and believes perpetuated in the main article on depression.

The rule of NOR prevents me from really expressing my views who are incidentally verifiable and follow the rules of Scientific Method. Most of the information derive from text books on biochemistry and many other scientific sources.

My article is viewed as advertisement in disguise, because I do refer people to articles I have written elsewhere. Yet I am not selling any products. Apparently there is no such limitation on the advertising of pharmaceutical drugs for mental illness in the main article.

In my opinion, the main article on depression reflects the old-fashioned and drab view of main stream medicine and psychology and would keep people in the dark about new non-drug approaches in treatment.

If people want to learn about the non-drug biological treatment of depression, they will have to look at other sources than the Wikipedia and I am quite reconciled with that thought. I don't think I belong here.Jurplesman 03:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't have a problem with your views being here, but you need to rethink how you are presenting them. -- Barrylb 03:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. And, as for "selling something"...you're selling yourself.  Poor form, old man.


 * If you have points to make, make them. Just reference them, without self-referencing them..."expressing my views" -- right there is your primary issue -- "in my opinion" -- and your secondary -- "In my opinion, the main article on depression reflects the old-fashioned and drab view of main stream medicine and psychology and would keep people in the dark about new non-drug approaches in treatment." -- and your third...even your defense of yourself is about your opinion.


 * None of this is meant to be critical. It's just the way things are done here.  If the forum does not align itself with your manner of expression, then maybe it isn't for you.  But any good rebel will tell you that you have play by the rules to break them. --Sadhaka 16:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * PS -- and reply to other's Talk page...I'm only here because I'm an obsessive, nosy s.o.b., and I was snooping. Cheers! --Sadhaka 16:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was OK to express an opinion on a talk page. Is this also verboten?Jurplesman 00:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I wasn't referring to your expression of opinion. I was referring to your positionality overall.  I intended that said positionality was being evidenced here.


 * And, again...reply on the Talk page (for Sadhaka) of the individual with whom you are conversing. Anything else, from my POV is controlling, passive-agressive, and just plain impolite.


 * Finally, you will note that yesterday two of your two edits were removed. As Barrylb noted, do not use external links to present a POV.  You will be monitored by other editors, and your efforts wasted.  The reason for this is that you have presented yourself as someone who consistently expresses POV, rather than NPOV, and your insistence on maintaining that is beginning to look like a subtle vandalism.  This kind of behavior will always be policed.  You're raging against the machine, and the machine is bigger than you.  Save your energy. --Sadhaka 11:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC) Talk to me

As I said I don't want to be part of that machine.Jurplesman 06:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Then, (1) stop coming back, already, and (2) reply on User Talk pages, gosh darn it! --Sadhaka 12:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * PS -- professional question for you...I have a patient who is taking Xyprexa for mood stabilization. It works like crazy (hah!), but she keeps titrating it (and decompensating) becuase she can't deal with the bloating.  I know your deal is psycho-nutrition, but she is way too unstable to be off the cocktail she is on...in fact, this is the first one that's worked for her in 5 years.  My question, despite a far-flung background in Ayerveda and Oriental medicine, every intervention I've tried re: her bloating, has failed.  Any suggestions?  --Sadhaka 12:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Zyprexia
I believe you mean Zyprexia. (Olanzapine). A good description of Zyprexia is given here

Bloating is one of the side effects of this drugs. You probably have to look for food sensitivities and allergies. I use the Daily Food Diary for this and this will also engage your client in real Nutritional Therapy. I am not sure whether the bloating is due to the drug or due to food sensivities. Sensitivity to gluten containing foods and milk are especially common among schizophrenics and can aggravate symptoms. I would also ask the doctor to test for hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Many patients have achlorhydria, that may interfere with proper digestion of foods and also cause bloating. Also consider use of digestive enzymes. (Think of Ginger Powder?)

As far as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, for which this drug is prescribed, I am afraid nutritional therapy cannot yet completely replace drug therapy for psychotic disorders, although some orthomolecular psychiatrists are just doing that. But you can combine nutrition and drugs. You will find that placing your patient on a Hypoglycemic Diet will improve symptoms remarkably.

I always think in terms of "How can I improve serotonin synthesis nutritionally?"

You have to make sure that your patient is not phenylketonuric (sensitive to phenylalanine) because that can cause bloating with this drug (Olanzapine). Ask the doctor. In regard to side effects of drugs I usually consider this as possibly interfering with nutrient absorption.

Thus in bipolar disorder vitamin B12 and folic acid or Vitamin C may be deficient. These nutrients are involved in serotonin production. Lithium carbonate can deplete folic acid. Calcium and omega-3 fatty acids (Fishoil) can reduce some side effects. If mania is caused by excess vanadium it can be countered by vitamin C.

I have been fairly successful in treating or reducing the manic phase with lecithin or lecithin, but this should not be used in the depressive phase.

Please read:

The Nutritional Aspects of Schizophrenia and go to page 7 of Newsletter.

Where I discuss this matter in more detail.

I strongly recommend that you get hold of


 * Werbach,M.R.(1991), NUTRITIONAL INFLUENCES ON MENTAL ILLNESS, A Sourcebook of Clinical Research, Third Line Pres, Inc.Tarzana. Cal.

Whatever you do let the psychiatrist know what you are doing, because he may well reduce dosage of drug. I hope you have a good working relation with the psychiatrist.

And of course there are the psychological aspects of the illness. If you are interested in changing the self-image of a client in a short period of time please read the self-help psychotherapy course at our web site. Most clients can do it in eight weeks. It includes an Assertiveness Training Program.

Have fun helping your client. By the way, how do you edit a summary? Jurplesman 04:27, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this. Describe what you mean by summry...or, better yet, point me there.  --Sadhaka 12:27, 15 March 2006 (UTC)