User talk:Jurtal

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Question re: multiple accounts
Could you clarify for me whether you're also operating the account ? Thank you. MastCell Talk 06:18, 3 July 2013 (UTC)


 * No, absolutely not. This is my only account. Jurtal (talk) 06:35, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. Given some of the evidence pointing to inappropriate use of multiple accounts, I've asked for outside input at Sockpuppet investigations/Jurtal. You're welcome to comment there if you wish. MastCell Talk 20:27, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Blocked as a sockpuppet
Shadowthedog and I are two different people. We work at the same office and live in separate homes. We use our accounts to make edits both from work and home. If you actually look at the logs, you should see that edits we make during the workday have the same IP address and edits made at night are done from different IPs. Wikipedia apparently needs a better user verification system if two different people at the same office can't use their own accounts to make edits to the same page without getting blocked.

If you actually look at our history, I have contradicted at least one of ShadowtheDog's edits. For example, on July 2, he removed the word American from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent_Institute, and I then re-added it. If you look at the extent of his edits he really has no idea how to properly make citations, or how to contribute to Talk pages. I do. If you look at Shadowthedogs' history, he has made one edit to one page in the past 2 months: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Shadowthedog If I wanted to use more than one account to build phony consensus why on earth would I essentially stop using the first account and make an entirely whole new account? No, I would have kept using the original account the whole time.

This block is not necessary to prevent disruption because if you look at my actual activity it has not been disruptive. My edits have been a fair and evenhanded attempt to neutralize vandalism to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Independent_Institute. Left alone, the hostile individual Carlstak vandalizes that page and until I came along, no one was bothering to clean it up or refute his lies.

I see that IndependentRob was also blocked. I don't really care if he stays blocked or not, but for the record, he is a different person than me or Shadowthedog. He works in the same office as us, hence the common IP. If you look at his few contributions he also has no idea how to properly make edits, which should hopefully help show that we are different people. Jurtal (talk) 18:44, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * King of Hearts, you referred me to the Inappropriate uses of alternative accounts page. Interesting reading, but the entire list applies to a single person using multiple accounts.  None of those bullet points actually apply to me and Shadowthedog because as I said we are actually different people using different accounts.  Believe it or not, people who know each other in the real world actually talk to each other and can both have the desire to make edits the same page.  That doesn't mean that one person is the "puppet" of the other person.  Again, is there someone we can call or email scans of our drivers licenses to or something to prove that we are in fact different people?


 * BWilkins, you posted a response on Shadowthedog's page. You could at least have the common courtesy to post a response to my page too.


 * Tell me, what exactly am I supposed to do at this point if I want to continue to be an editor? Create a new account?  Get my IP address changed?  You tell me.


 * If I can't convince you that we are different people, at the very least, block Shadowthedog and unblock me since shadowthedog says he's not going to bother doing any more editing anyway, and I do want to do more editing. Jurtal (talk) 23:33, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The relevant section of policy is at WP:COWORKER. It reads, in part:
 * I hope that's helpful in explaining why your situation has been handled as it has. MastCell Talk 03:23, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope that's helpful in explaining why your situation has been handled as it has. MastCell Talk 03:23, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

King of Hearts says at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Shadowthedog/Archive that i can contact ArbCom with proof of identity. How exactly do I do that? Jurtal (talk) 23:49, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You and the others could email scans of your employee IDs to . Note that it is at their discretion, so they may require you to refrain from editing about your employer if unblocked. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:37, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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