User talk:Jusmine

Yirka name change
Hi, Jusmine, I noticed you changed the Yirka title to Yarka. I reverted it only because that is how it is spelled by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, and I go to the Kafr Yasif (adjacent to Yirka) every year to visit family and on roadsigns it too is spelled Yirka. If you can find any official document that spells the town as Yarka then you should add it to the altOffname caption in the info box. Al Ameer son 17:53, 14 July 2007

אזהרה חמורה
יסמין, ראי זאת כאזהרה אחרונה בהחלט. האובססיה הזאת שלך עם אנג'לינה פארס עוברת כל גבול. אם תמשיכי בהכנסת בינויקי שגוי אני אדאג שההפניה בוויקיפדיה העברית תימחק. החוצפה שלך היא פשוט לא תיאמן. כנראה שגם כאן את רוצה להיחסם. הבהירי את חשיבות הערך (לא שיש) בהתאם למקובל.

לא בברכה,

תחי מדינת ישראל 18:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * ראשית, דבר יפה (לא שאתה יודע) שנית, על איזה בינויקי אתה מדבר?

Jusmine 19:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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Hello Jusmine... I got your messages :) so how do you propose to send me an email? i don't want to publish my email address on public forums... suggestions? ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinanez (talk • contribs) 09:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer :) Can u send me an email by the wiki? Jusmine (talk) 12:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello Jusmine... i sent you the email as per your request. Did you receive it? Jinanez (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I didnt. can you send it again please? this is the adress: Jusmine@undefinedbezeqint.net. Jusmine (talk) 14:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Your blanking
From the Palestinian people article:

"Palestinian" is a self-identification sometimes used by Arab citizens of Israel. As such, it should never be blanked from an article if it is a self-identification held by this individual. Political POV should never influence WP editing; this is one of our key principles.

Badagnani (talk) 19:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * To write that they are "palestinians" its the biggest POV! Where do they live? where do they work? does anyone of them study in "palestianian" university? Jusmine (talk) 10:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

It is a self-identification. "Chaldean" Christians similarly call themselves "Chaldeans," although they are citizens of Iraq. Lakota call themselves Lakota even though they are currently also citizens of the United States. It does not mean they are claiming to be citizens of "Palestine," but that they are "Palestinian people." Badagnani (talk) 10:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

If they are Israeli citizens, I agree that it should also be mentioned in their article that they are Arab Israelis, as we already had for Simon Shaheen. Badagnani (talk) 10:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * wikipedia is encyclopedia and not a blog. There is no room for self definement. If they are Israeli citizens who live inside the borders of the green line, they are Arab Israeli people but not "palestinians". Jusmine (talk) 11:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed... for example I'm an Israeli citizen living in Israel and from Russian origin. So one day I'll become famous inside Israel and there will be an article about me in English wikipedia, so you will put me in category:Israeli people, so i will say: "no, this is not correct because my SELF IDENTIFICATION is Russian". So you will kick me from category:Israeli people and put me into category:Russian people just because of my self identification??? he:user:Fade to Black 17:17, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

That is not comparable, as Russia is a nation distant from Israel, while Israel was formerly called Palestine. Thus the Russia example is not comparable to the "Chaldean" and "Lakota" examples. From the Palestinian people article:

Badagnani (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Israel was called Palestina / Eretz Israel (the land of Israel) but the people who called "palestinian" were Jewish, Arab and other (Circassians for example), not only arabs. If the name of the land was palestina It doesnt make Arab people who live inside of the green line, in the state of Israel "Palestinian". They are Arab Israeli people (please read the article). Happy new year, Jusmine (talk) 19:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they are Arab Israeli people, just as Lakota are U.S. citizens, and American Indians, and Native Americans, and Lakota people.

From the Palestinian people article:

Badagnani (talk) 20:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So your point is...? Jusmine (talk) 14:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * anyway, what I want to say is that they are belong to the Arab nation, just like the Arabs living in Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc. and they are citizens of the State of Israel, so they are Israeli Arabs. Their SELF identifications is another issue, it should be mentioned in the articles, but it is not the reason to categorize them like Palestinians just because of their SELF identification. Jusmine (talk) 19:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

If Simon Shaheen's own website says he is a "Palestinian" musician, as it does, the category is valid and necessary for our users' navigation. This is true of any other individual who claims Palestinian heritage. Badagnani (talk) 18:14, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, he was born in Israel after 1948, meaning not at the time that Israel was called "palestina". He can say that he is "palestinian" and you can write it in his article but it is not the reason to categorize him as "palestinian" musician. Jusmine (talk) 17:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)