User talk:JustSomeRandomGuy32/Archive 1

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Feliz
Prove to me it's not official. And please don't cite the MLB.com roster.► Chris Nelson Holla! 19:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Every single current article comes from "unnamed league sources"... "agreement"... "pending physical"...  There has been no official word from the Phillies ANYWHERE. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 20:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

In fact - we had the EXACT same discussion about Alex Rodriguez not too long ago... and we were at opposite sides of the discussion... I accepted that player status should not be changed until its actually announced/official. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 20:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If a media outlet puts it on their transaction list, that is enough to put it on here. Official word from leagues or teams themselves isn't necessary, because they always wait longer than everyone else to announce things. This is how we do it with the NFL templates.► Chris Nelson Holla! 20:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * So basically you are saying any rumor can now be updated on a team/player page because a media outlet reported it from "inside sources"? If you don't draw a line someone legit...  you just open things up for anything... They get it wrong all the time... People jumped on Santana being traded to the Yankees when it was rumored they were the frontrunners...  People jumped on the Bedard trade - which has gone nowhere so far.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 20:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There is a difference between a rumor and something being reported as a transaction but a reputable source. Wikipedia is about verification, not truth. As I showed in my edit summary on the roster template, Feliz's signing can be verified via a recognized, reliable source - CBS Sportsline. Nothing else is needed.► Chris Nelson Holla! 20:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I guess I have to prove that CBS Sportsline is not a reliable source... they currently have Josh Towers as signed to a minor league deal with Colorado with an invitation to spring training on January 7th ....  other articles have him agreeing to 1 year major league deal...  meanwhile, nothing official has happened since...  You still want to tell me CBS Sportsline is reliable? JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 20:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * One mistake does not destroy credibility, sorry. CBS is a large company, and I'm willing to bet their sports page is one of the top-visited of it's kind on the internet, along with places like ESPN.com, FoxSports.com, etc. They have credibility and you can't ruin that by saying, "See, they made a mistake on the Josh Towers signing." The Feliz signing is verifiable on a reliable source, and therefore should not be removed from the template per policy. Sorry.► Chris Nelson Holla! 20:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The Feliz revert war
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 20:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hola. Me llamo Johan...
Thank you sincerely for working on the Johan article. I've been fighting back the eastcoasters and random IP met fans for it seems like months and I just don't have the heart for it anymore because I know as a Twins fan I'm personally losing the best pitcher in baseball. At least he's going NL, right? Kudos to you, fine editor. To the death we fight the vandals. To the death. And by that I mean a valid verifiable resource that seems only hours away. But we fight until then! A sad day for Minnesota baseball for sure.


 * USA Today is a verifiable source... the Trade is agreed upon...  but of course its not officially complete without the extension...  until then... he's not a Met.. and his page has to reflect that...  $ talks can always fall apart... nothing is a given. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 22:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I 100% agree. And I just had a good laugh.  Who knew that JS was born in Cup Cake Village?  who knew!?!   Keeper   |   76  22:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I'm at least attempting to get some help. We'll see how it goes.   Keeper   |   76  22:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * and help received. Semi protected for 3 days.  Now off to the next trade rumor.... Keeper   |   76  23:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hold the fort!
You are one tough guy fighting off all the delerious Mets' fans. :-). -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 02:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm trying......... JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 02:20, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Johan Santana
Why can't we just change it now. He's more of a Met than he is a Twin anyways. He's been the best pitcher since 04. He ain't going to break down when he gets there. HP Jo ker  Leave me a message 05:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * (Stupid Example) If he gets into a car accident tomorrow morning on his way to the physical and breaks his leg - the Mets can say no deal... Until he passes that physical - the deal is not done...  period...  And players have failed physicals before...  that is why they have physicals in the first place...  and that's why contracts are not signed until players pass them...  (1 trade I'll never forget that didn't happen due to a failed physical was one between the Yankees and Padres in the 90's when they were supposed to get Greg Vaughn... he failed...  no deal...  it's not like the players are sent "back"... they were never officially traded in the first place). JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 05:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't he be flying there?


 * Anyways, if that happens, can't we just change it back. I won't complain anymore. Infact, I might call you a God. Have you looked at my user page? Just wandering. -- HP Jo ker  Leave me a message 05:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * He's gotta get into a car between the airport and wherever the physical is being done... Met fans know that cabs from LaGuardia airport can be death traps for players (see Tom Glavine)....   anyways, I was under the impression that unless it was 100% official and complete, it shouldn't be updated....  JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 05:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Does it really matter much? He's 75% Met right now, more than 50. I think it would be better to do it now than it would to have to deal with more vandals tomorrow. HP Jo ker  Leave me a message 05:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Always going to have to deal with vandals.... and he's still 100% Twin.... its either 0% or 100%... there's no in between officially.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 05:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * How bout this? Can you lock the page for IPs and accounts without 100 total edits? HP Jo ker  Leave me a message 19:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Santana is officially a Met. No need to change it now. HP Jo ker  Leave me a message 19:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm aware... I was following the news. I wasn't just blindly undoing everything.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 19:56, 2 February 2008 (UCT)


 * And I was supposed to know that how? HP Jo ker  Leave me a message 19:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Dshibshm
Is there any way that he is just the smartest vandal in Wikipedia? -- Rab bethan  05:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

team templates
Players on the DL are still on the roster. I really don't think everyone on the 40 man roster should be included on those templates. They should be just for people on the active roster. Otherwise this is just a complete duplication of the regular roster templates. In other words, guys who are on the roster at Las Vegas or Jacksonville should not be listed as being on the Dodgers current roster. Spanneraol (talk) 01:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Players on the DL are on the 40-man roster... not the active 25-man roster... why do they get to be there but not the other members of the 40-man? Every player on the 40-man gets paid Major League salaries - no matter where they are - they are not the same as other people in the minors.  And yes - the template basically IS the same as the big roster template... but used for completely different purposes.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 01:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Cause guys on the DL are active major leaguers who are hurt. Guys on a minor league roster shouldn't be on something called the "current" roster. It doesn't make any sense. If you go to Meloan's page and see he is "currently" on the Dodgers when in fact he is on Las Vegas it could be confusing. also, guys on the 40 man roster do not get paid the same if they are in the minors as if they are in the majors. They get paid different wages and do not acure major league service time, which they WOULD do if they were on the major league DL. Spanneraol (talk) 01:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Why have you started to remove the 'present' designation from 40-man roster players who are on optional assignment? --Street20 (talk) 03:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * To be consistent with any other year. On players who see time in the majors get the team/year listed in their infobox. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 03:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

My Idea
you might want to check this out--Yankees10 01:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

New template
There is a flaw in it. The Nationals do not have any inactive infielders and where they should be, there is a blank space. Do you think you can fix that?


 * Yeah - I saw that - I'll figure it out... JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 23:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * OK - think I got it now.... Let's see if anything else pops up.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 23:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Garrrett Guzman
Will you ever get your facts staight before you go to the undo button? Garrett Guzman was traded from the Twins to The Nats so the Nats had the priviledge of outrighting him into their minor league system (remembering he was a Rule v player who would have had to be returned to the Twins). You may be a supervising editor but do your job and get your facts straight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.43.74 (talk) 15:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Your summary made it sound like he was traded to the Twins, which is why I undid it. By the time I realized what the situation actually was, - Street20 had already fixed it.  Misunderstandings happen - we're human. Calm down.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 16:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Roster template
I think it would be better to list the closer seperately. What do you think? --Street20 (talk) 04:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * a 'small' closer tag works... a separate heading?  probably not necessary. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 04:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

MLB roster page uni numbers
Hi Just ... I haven't been doing much work on the roster pages this year since you, Street20 & Chrisjnelson seem to have it well covered. The reason I added Melillo's and Calero's numbers to the A's roster page is because that's what they are on the mlb.com roster page. Last year, we kept the Wikipedia roster pages in sync with the mlb.com pages unless someone had definitive evidence that they were wrong. Is that not the policy this year? If not, what are we supposed to use as the primary reference source? --Sanfranman59 (talk) 21:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well the basic logic is - if a player currently on the 25-man has the number, it no longer belongs to the guy who is inactive. Some teams will blank out a players # in that case on the mlb.com roster... some don't bother with that update... even though they should... A number can't be issued twice simultaneously during the regular season (spring training is another story)JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 21:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Two players on the active roster obviously can't have the same uniform number, but I didn't think that applied to players who are not active. At least that's the way we did it last year. It doesn't matter much to me one way or the other, but it seems that there should be some consensus. I think others are making edits so that the pages here mirror those at mlb.com. Anyways, thanks for the response. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 22:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

hi
hi Just so you know, I'm  On  Base  and you're not. 19:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC) and lets hope it stays that way

Keep up the hard work!
You are a machine! Keep rockin'!Philatio (talk) 03:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Joba
Why you take out my Joba edit? That's factually true. What up yo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.85.156.187 (talk) 19:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you provide a source? And how is it relevant to his biography? JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 19:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Invite
KV5 •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  15:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Closer addition to MLB roster
I like the way you added "Closer" to the MLB roster template because it is more clear than (CL), but is there a way to make the heading for "Closer" smaller so it is clear that the closer is part of the bullpen for those who may be unsure (a small group, I hope)? -- bmitchelf•T•F 21:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Or, better yet, make that "Pitchers" heading show on the team rosters like it does on the general template, but make it bigger. I can't figure out how to make it show because I'm too unfamiliar with the template code. -- bmitchelf•T•F 14:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The template looks great now! -- bmitchelf•T•F 21:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

R. J. Swindle
Please read the official Phillies press release. Swindle replaced Condrey on the roster. A starter will be called up to replace Myers. I put references with what I write for a reason. Thank you. KV5 •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  19:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Addition: Please see this article regarding who will replace Myers. The reference for the Swindle article is different. KV5  •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!
 * Condrey was never removed from the roster - that is why your sentence is incorrect. He literally replaced Myers "on the roster" - now if you want to say he took Condrey's position in the bullpen... that's something else.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 19:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, someone loves semantics. I guess I have no choice but to agree, because I won't get in an edit war with anyone, especially not someone who's been in one before over a Phillies article. It just doesn't need to happen. KV5  •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  19:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Roster navbox
What was your source this morning for Happ being sent down? The Phillies website, Yahoo!, and ESPN didn't have any posting about it. Just curious now that the official release has come out. KV5 •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  18:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It was on rotoworld, along with one or 2 local Phily newspaper websites (found with google news) JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 18:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Got it, good source, thanks! Sorry about the revert. KV5  •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  18:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:New York Yankees
On my 17", most of "Here Come the Yankees" is outside the template for some reason. So apparently it does not "depend on your browser width", as you say. I have seen templates before that impose rows. I don't see the problem with my edit, and I'm wondering why you reverted it. --Pwnage8 (talk) 14:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Because in other windows - it can get its own row, and create other problems. Resize your browser window, and you'll see how it can change. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 14:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Getting its own row will create "other problems"? Just what are they? There's room to spare. It's not like moving it down a row will cause problems for the row beneath, because there isn't one. The second row doesn't even take up half the width. I shouldn't have to resize anything; Wikipedia is supposed to be accessible to all. I'm pretty sure other people are having the same problem I am. --Pwnage8 (talk) 14:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * When the template itself does not have a fixed width - you can't create breaks like that. When you make the window smaller, George Costanza gets its own line, which looks ridiculous. The reason "Here Come the Yankees" goes off the side is because its in quotation marks in the code, which creates that problem on some browsers (it used to create a problem on my older version of firefox, but it doesn't anymore with the latest 3.0 version.) JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 14:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. I always wondered why stuff like that happens. I came up with a solution I think we'd both be happy with. --Pwnage8 (talk) 15:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Baseball Newsletter
--  jj137   ( talk )  03:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Blanton
His player page says minor leagues. See here. Thanks. KV5 •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  19:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes.... that's because that's the only way mlb.com can handle the situation... they never created an option of a player being traded but not being added to the active roster right away... (he's not on any minor league team... and cant be - since he cant be optioned) JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 21:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

40-man roster
So, does that mean that any Phillies minor leaguer is eligible for a Phillies infobox? These players are not on the Phillies, and it's incorrect to say so. KV5 •  Squawk box  •  Fight on!  15:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

That's the way its done with every other team. The box is not meant for minor league information. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 15:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

OPS
Your comment about OPS being included on all ballplayer pages - is this a Wikipedia Baseball project guideline or only the way that you see this? It is not included on the majority of articles out there, and its importance (in regards to its inclusion on each article) is debatable. BWH76 (talk) 14:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * True it is a personal view I've been meaning to introduce... But there's no reason to take it out when there is 6 stat boxes available total. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 14:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * And if you were going to argue against its importance.... then you don't really know baseball.... and including it as important information for people attempting to learn the game would help immensely in ending the archaic system of relying on batting average as a significant stat for creating the basis of an opinion for the performance of a player. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 14:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * My goodness, no need to get touchy about this! I'm not sure what I think of it just yet, but I see your point about keeping it on there for now, at least.  OPS is yet another arbitrary grouping of stats - we could include defensive stats, any of the sabermetrics, etc.  I'm simply not convinced that OPS may be the best use of the stat boxes.  BWH76 (talk) 14:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Marte/Nady
I gotta say I disagree with your revert - seeing as how it's being published in multiple reliable sources, I don't see any reason to remove it. Especially considering that the official Yankees/Pirates sites link to the story. I don't see why we should wait for a press conference when we have sources confirming it. Do you have any policy backing your revert over WP:RS? AllynJ (talk | contribs) 01:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Every source says 'report'... 'source'... etc... 'pending medical review' - until one of the teams confirms the trade is done... its not done. period. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 01:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * JustSomeRandomGuy32 is right, it is not official until the physicals are passed--Yankees10 01:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't get it either. Nady was pulled from his own game before he even had an at-bat. What else could that mean? He's a Yankee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danno2530 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * How exactly does one lead to the other. The Pirates have only confirmed that he is being traded.  What official sources says he is a Yankee? (the closest thing to a FACT is that the deal is pending medical document review). JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 01:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Why delete ?
Why did you delete the teams for Marte And nady jeff and Ross O the pitsburg/yankees things are like what I saw the to present things Count druckula (talk) 04:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Teams list = major league game appearances. Ohlendorf and Kastens are in the minors at the moment. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 04:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Brandon Knight
Hi. Can you please point me to your source for this edit? -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 17:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Saw it. Thanks. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 17:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Ken Griffey Jr.
He's been traded, the deal is done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bes2224 (talk • contribs) 16:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you currently point me to a site where either team confirms this... and its not just a 'source'? JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 16:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

ESPN already reported it, not from a source, they are reporting it as news. Griffey has approved, the Sox and Red approved, the players have been named. http://mlb.mlb.com/index.jsp and http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3512365 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bes2224 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Read them. Tell me where they say anything is official. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 16:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey look who's a White Sox, Ken Griffey Jr. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bes2224 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Great - you completely missed the point. Nice work. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 21:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)