User talk:Just Chilling/Archive 3

Articles for deletion/Forres Thistle F.C.
Why did you put up the article Forres Thistle F.C. up for deletion?

How would you like it if I put an article on an English non-league side up for deletion purely due to the fact that I have never heard of them before & therefore don't see them as a notable football club.

In the structure of Scottish football 'Junior' football is the the name given to non-league semi-pro football. As of season 2007-08 the top three 'Junior' level clubs will participate in the full Scottish Cup for the 1st time & are therefore important to the structure of Scottish football.

Please can you respond to my rant on my usertalk page, thanks: Dreamweaverjack (talk) 04:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I am not taking this personally, I just think that it comes across as ignorance about the importance of Junior level fooball to a non-Scot. Do not take this as racism, as it is only used to highlight the argument that I am trying to make!


 * I don't know much about non-league football in England below the Conference North/South levels, but would not try to get all of the clubs removed if they hadn't one a major national trophy. This is due to the fact that I know that the club named in the article will have some merit to people other than myself. Dreamweaverjack (talk) 04:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know what a non-Scot is but I was born in Edinburgh .... TerriersFan (talk) 04:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * In this case, a non-Scot refers to someone with little or no knowledge of the different layers of Scottish football. I am sorry for any confusion that may have resulted from the statement about ignorance about the levels of Scottish football. Please post any further responses on my usertalk page, thanks. Dreamweaverjack (talk) 05:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

To prove my point about notablity of this article even if it doesn't mean anything to you go to WP:IKNOWIT to prove the point that I am trying to state as my case for keeping these articles about the six Scottish Junior football clubs that you want to be deleted. Then reply to my usertalk page, thanks Dreamweaverjack (talk) 05:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

St Nicholas Grammar School
You have destroyed my ongoing work. None of what was used was copyright. We are moving information from a collection of sources provided freely by former pupils. Most fo what you edited out was from posts into another discussion board of which I am an owner, and the School Magazine - 50 years old, of a school that no longer exists and is certainly not copyright.

I suggest you ask in future otherwise I shall not both with Wikepedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sespj1 (talk • contribs) 07:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing has been destroyed - all the material can be re-established once the copyright position has been cleared up. However, the protection of the project is the over-riding consideration and the content must remain out until then. In the UK copyright in a written work lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years. This applies even if the original magazine no longer exists. With regard to your website, the most straightforward way to go is to release all the material into the public domain (since this is being done retrospectively the authors should be notified and given the opportunity to withdraw their material). A copy of a suitable licence is at WP:GFDL and guidance is at WP:C. An example of a letter that can be used to gain permission from authors is also at WP:COPYREQ. If you would like another view then please post your query at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems. TerriersFan 12:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Bentleigh West Primary School
Hello, just to let you know, as a member of the WikiProject Schools assessment team, I have re-assessed this article due to your improvements. Keep it up! Camaron1 | Chris 17:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Way to go! Thank you TerriersFan 23:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Your edits to Radyr Comprehensive School
I know it's not an independant source, but the school wouldn't lie about the grades it's students recieved. If you said that about everything then someone leaving a TV show confirmed by the network would be considered not an independant source :rolls eyes:

Radyr is one of the best schools in Wales and this article portrays it otherwise. When the FACT that the school has done really well these past 3 years should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.216.251.245 (talk • contribs)
 * No-one is saying that the school is lying simply that the school newsletter is not verifiable. If this is the best school in Wales then find, for example, a newspaper source that says it. With regard to the GCSE results, again simply source the facts. TerriersFan 22:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I never said it was the best only that it is one of the best schools in Wales and I can't give you a source for that hence why I never put it in the article.

The newsletter IS a verifiable source as if someone has a copy of it they can always scan it online or you could wait till the school do this, around christmas time.

McCann
Will do. Glad you like the 'resident'. Rothorpe 22:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's the official campaign site. - admin@freekatemccann.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.41.112 (talk) 22:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No, its not an 'official site' - its a campaigning site that is pursuing an agenda. TerriersFan 22:10, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Is that your "expert" opinion then TerriersFan? You are a Wiki editor, that is nothing to get too excited about. It is a campaigning site that should be included as it is very relevant to Madeleine McCann. - admin@freekatemccann.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.41.112 (talk • contribs)
 * Then argue your case on the article's talk page. TerriersFan 23:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll be totally honest with you TerriersFan, I just do not have the time to do that. You are worrying about a Wiki URL entry, I am worrying about not being able to continue the search for Madeleine McCann. That alone shows the gulf in our priorities. - admin@freekatemccann.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.41.112 (talk) 00:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Scan0002.jpg
My quicktime wasn't working, Terriers, so I had to save a cartoon for a school project on wikipedia. Anything anyone can do to remove it? Ben 03:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, I've deleted it. In future, you can get such things speedy deleted by putting the template at the top. TerriersFan 16:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a bunch. I'll remember that. I'll probably have to keep using wikipedia for scans if I can't figure out my quicktime problem, but if I have to use it, I'll use the template. Sweet, and thx again, Ben 17:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD's
I just wanted to say GREAT JOB on working on these two articles Chelmer Valley High School & Crowlees Junior and Infant School. You worked really hard on them, and they both seem suitable to keep. - Rjd0060 02:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, many thanks. TerriersFan 02:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Praia da Luz
An anonym edited out the McCann section: you may wish to put it under lock & key... Rothorpe 17:26, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for drawing my attention to this; I am keeping it under review and will protect it again if vandalism becomes regular. TerriersFan 22:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Littlemoss High School
Hi, I have substantially expanded the article and I wonder if you would revisit your recommendation at Articles for deletion/Littlemoss High School, please? TerriersFan 00:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your expansion has convince me to modify my vote. Great work on the expansion and improvement! Can you take a look at Eastern Hills High School, where I've already started cleaning up and improving. There are strong claims of notability, but the article is a disaster in largely in list format. Alansohn 01:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am happy to work on it but it must await until tomorrow since I have some work I have to do on a mailing list that I run. TerriersFan 02:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Gavin Hoyte
I was surprised to see my article was deleted, yes it was a re-creation but it was only deleted in the first place due to vandalism which has not occured on my re-created page. He is a professional footballer with Arsenal and you don't seem to have a valid reason for deleting the article. Cg29692 20:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The article was deleted, not as a result of vandalism, but as a result of Articles for deletion/Gavin Hoyte since he has not yet started for Arsenal. Being a professional footballer is not enough - WP:BIO also has to be met. If he gets on tonight I shall recreate the page. TerriersFan 20:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In fact Gavin Hoyte does meet WP:BIO, this issue has alreday been discussed on Articles for deletion/Paul Rodgers (footballer) who is considerably less notable than Hoyte. Cg29692 20:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't go by precedent, matters are dealt with on a case by case basis and Hoyte's article was deleted. Let's see if he gets on ... TerriersFan 20:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Response to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
I reverted your edit because you give partial information, not because of the wording I prefer. What parts do not make sense? The ones you deleted that say there is a joint working group? Stop saying it is bad English, if it was just that you'd fix it without removing information.

"Garcia added that when the PJ is criticized then the British police are also criticized because of their close cooperation" What you wrote does not make sense and it is a bad summary of the Portuguese article:


 * 1- It is not just close cooperation, it was created a joint working group right from the start with the British police. This is why the British police are also criticized. Just close cooperation they have with the Interpol, the Europol and other police organizations. No working group was created with them. I hope it is clear.
 * 2- Several unfair critics were made to the methodology used by the Portuguese police. Garcia defends that the number of abductions that results in murder is a decisive factor that determines the different investigation methodologies adopted by Portuguese and British police.
 * Other facts indirectly related to the different methodology:


 * 3-Personal attacks were made to police officers because of the different methodology used referred to as "forging evidence": "He [Gonçalo Amaral] was the victim of personal attacks by the British media which not only questioned his honour as a policeman, but also attacked him as a human being."

In spite of all the resources available and the different methodology, the UK has 124 unsolved cases of missing children under 14, in the last four years.(National Missing Persons Bureau). It seems that the British methodology alone was not enough to solve these cases. Besides this:
 * 4- Portugal has 9 unsolved cases of missing children under 18 (including Madeleine).


 * 5-The UK has a serious problem with child trafficking :


 * 6-A serious problem with African children that just go missing:


 * 5- No criticism was ever made to the lack of results of the investigation of the Control Risks Group, hired by the Mcanns since May. "The investigation [of the PJ], we've stated all along, has the most likely chance of us finding her" Something made them change their minds?

The use of a different methodology called "forging evidence"by British media is not only used because there are very few cases where the abducted child dies, Portugal does not have the kind of serious problems with children's abduction and trafficking that the UK has. I hope it was clearly written and the "parts of it do not make sense" start to make sense. I am going to revert the edit, you are welcome to correct any "bad English", not the information. I am sure my Portuguese is better than yours. Topodegama 23:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Accusation of Anonymous User
You have just accused me of vandalising a school in Downpatrick - I have reason to believe that this wasn't me as I have never visited such a page and I was just researching Population Pyramids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.77.159.238 (talk) 15:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The answer is to login and create an account then you won't be bothered by irrelevant messages. TerriersFan 20:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Userfy request
Can I ask you to restore Gordon Wilson (CEO) and Jeff Clarke (CEO) as user articles under my ID, so that they can be appropriately expanded with additional sources and moved make to mainspace, once completed. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Alansohn 23:58, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Done - User:Alansohn/Jeff Clarke (CEO) and User:Alansohn/Gordon Wilson (CEO). Please be aware that there are major problems with both pages. They were both created by User:TP kelli, a company director, and the Wilson article includes copyvio material from the company website. The image on the Clarke page has had terms and conditions imposed by the uploader so its licences may be invalid - I am raising this separately.


 * Please also see User talk:JzG. TerriersFan 00:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the userfy and the FYI. I had already had an issue with Travelport, and was surprised to see the deletions after trying to add additional sources to both. Ample sources are available, and I will do a complete review of each article, ensuring that the every sentence is original and appropriately supported with sources. Alansohn 01:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, TF, good to hear from you! I agree, reuse of that image is clearly against the website's TOS.  The company director who uploaded the image may or may not have had authority to license the image, but without some clear evidence of that authority, I don't think we can rely on it.  Perhaps a review at WP:PUI would be appropriate.  I'd do it myself, but . . . --  But | seriously | folks   01:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I'll raise it there. TerriersFan 02:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I went to edit these articles and they're not there. Did you userfy them under my name? Alansohn 07:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

School Prods
You might like to take a look here where a large number of schools have been indiscriminately prodded. TerriersFan 19:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have taken a look, and this seems to be the work of one individual who has prodded virtually every single school in School District 36 Surrey. I will go through these articles in a systematic basis to see what can be done, but I'd love to discuss this in more detail via email. Your's is not enabled, but you can reach me from my user page. Alansohn 21:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Kellymom.com
I see that someone posted a link to Kellymom on Breastfeeding and then it was undone. Kellymom is one of the most well-regarded sites on the internet about breastfeeding, and highly recommended. Kelly is a Lacatation consultant and a La Leche League Leader and her site is listed on other Wikipedia pages. I'd like to restore that link on the breastfeeding page, unless you can explain your objection?--I&#39;m Nonpartisan 02:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * External links are governed by WP:EL. By excluding this site it is not a criticism of it merely that WP is not a place to promote websites no matter how well regarded. When I get chance, there are a number of other sites that also need to go but I need to carefully examine them. TerriersFan 03:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

St Peter's RC High School
Thanks for alerting. You've done a good job so far. I'm a bit busy with non-Wiki work at the moment but have added it to my watch list and will have a look when I get the chance. There are in fact large numbers of school articles which have been prodded recently by someone on the notability project. I haven't had time to investigate any of them or even add them to the schools AFD page. Dahliarose 10:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Northlea School
Hello, you contested the PROD on the article with the following comment: "Merge and redirect to Education in Toronto as an editorial action without need for an AfD". Does that mean you are actually going to merge the articles? --B. Wolterding 16:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes; I need to research sources to see if it will stand alone but failing that I shall merge it. TerriersFan 18:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Merger Notification
You participated in this AfD on Como West Public School. It has since been proposed that the article be merged into its suburb article per WP:LOCAL and I was wondering if you would be willing to voice your opinion on the merger here. Thanks. Twenty Years 03:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Método 3
I'm afraid detective agencies aren't really my scene, & as for detective work, well, you're the one who researches the facts around here. But of course I'll be happy to translate any Spanish you may wish to point my way. I was rather surprised not to find an article in the Spanish WP, actually, but of course the English version is ten times the size of the nearest competition - Rothorpe 16:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandal
I've blocked the vandal you've been reverting - strikes me as a kid, so just a week esp as only one warning - if you think it should be longer, let me know, Jimfbleak 17:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry -just realised you're an admin anyway (: 18:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimfbleak (talk • contribs)
 * No problem, a week is about right. TerriersFan 18:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Monarchy in xxx
I began to change those Monarchy in xxx articles days ago, having moved Monarchy in Canada, Monarchy in New Zealand and Monarchy in Australia to Canadian monarchy, New Zealand monarchy and Australian monarchy. Just haven't gotten around to completing the changes. However, if you wish, you can move them all back to Monarchy in xxx. It's no longer a big issue with me. GoodDay 19:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Excuse my mistake yesterday, TF. I meant to post at your 'talk page'. GoodDay 19:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * All the existing Monarchy in xxx articles, have been moved to xxx monarchy. Is it alright to move Monarchy in Jamaica, now? GoodDay 18:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have offered a way forward at Talk:Monarchy in Jamaica. TerriersFan 19:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Second Account?
Do you think it would be appropriate for me to create a second user account for use at school, use in other places, and for making various other edits that I might not want to make on this account? Of course, I would keep the two entirely separate...would doing this sort of a thing be considered sockpuppetry? TIA (thx in advance), Ben 01:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Ben, a second account is permitted provided that you are careful not to transgress policy on sock puppets. Guidelines are given at Sock puppetry. It is important that both your main account and the subsidiary account are tagged so that other editors can correlate the accounts. The tags are at Sock puppetry. TerriersFan 01:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for directing me to those pages...they proved very helpful...I'm just working on my signature now...I think I've gotten the hang of everything. Benjamin Yes Mom? I didn't do it! 02:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Raleigh School
Hi, you might want to have a think about Raleigh School that I just rescued from a speedy. TerriersFan 12:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I had found the same article and added other material. I'd like to find more about other awards and achievements. Alansohn 12:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice job - I'll also do some research tonight. TerriersFan 13:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Maddie 129
Yes, that's fine - Rothorpe 14:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. TerriersFan 17:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Clarke‎ /Gordon Wilson‎
Hi, we seem to have competing articles being developed. See:
 * User:TP kelli/Sandbox/Jeff Clarke
 * User:TP kelli/Sandbox/Gordon Wilson‎

To avoid wasted work you might like to liaise with User:TP kelli? TerriersFan 17:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. My Jeff Clarke article is probably ready for prime time, and I will ask both of you to review before a move to mainspace. Alansohn 17:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The review and expansion of the Jeff Clarke article is complete. I have moved it to mainspace at Jeff Clarke (CEO). The Gordon Wilson article will follow some time later. Alansohn (talk) 17:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and thanks for your cleanup. The rename makes perfect sense. Alansohn (talk) 18:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Columbia High School (New York)
The Columbia High School (New York) seems to have been speedied as an A7. In addition to my question as to the propriety of such deletions for high school articles, could you userfy it for me so that I can see what's there to work from. Thanks again in advance, as always. Alansohn 22:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * At User:Alansohn/Columbia High School (New York). TerriersFan 23:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Acorn Computers
I was tring to get all the article history together but it messed up and i was like, oh no sorry, thank you for correcting - gaogier
 * No problem. TerriersFan (talk) 01:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Go to bed...! The Rambling Man (talk) 01:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Early yet for me ... :-) TerriersFan (talk) 02:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Albanian Chess Championship
Hi there. Thanks for looking at Albanian Chess Championship. If you could briefly explain what makes individual chess championships notable and to help the original author assert and cite notability in that article, that would be great. I see that your reason for declining the speedy-delete on that article was because "chess championships are notable" - that may very well be true, but I don't see anything there that tells me why the subject is notable and thus needs its own article. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 19:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Because speedy deletions take place without consensus, admins only speedy delete articles that clearly meet the criteria. My view (and such judgements are always subjective) is that a list of national champions in any sport assert notability. If you disagree feel free to take the page to WP:AFD for a broader view. TerriersFan (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

User:TerriersFan/Lakelands Park Middle School
Hi, would you take a look at User:TerriersFan/Lakelands Park Middle School, please? This was deleted in an AfD but I have progressively improved it since. What do you think, please? TerriersFan (talk) 01:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the article is ready for prime time and a move to mainspace. Alansohn (talk) 03:45, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Mark Merritt
hey there

I notice that Marmion Primary School was kept. During the course of the AfD mention was made of one of their teachers - Mark Merritt - who it seems has won Premiers awards, Science teachers federation awards and a Prime Ministers award.

Maybe he is more in need of an article than the school he works at? This article mentions three awards spread over a few years.Garrie 05:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that there is certainly a case for an article. If you want to write one I shall support you. TerriersFan (talk) 15:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Murder of Meredith Kercher
Hi, I updated the arrest of the 4th subject with the latest BBC article on it. But I have no idea how you want it formatted for consistency? Is it okay if I leave it up to you? Cheers, have a good day. Scar ian Talk  11:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your contribution - I'll sort it. TerriersFan (talk) 15:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so they've released one of the suspects, the bar owner,. It should be incorporated into the prose somewhere that "no physical evidence was found linking him..." etc. And, also, I updated the suspect list already but I don't know if it conforms to the article's general layout/style (Oh and the ref. probably needs to be formatted again). Thankyou! Scar ian Talk  20:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Flanigan
An astute question. It differs in that it used the hndis template. Somewhat surprisingly (but correctly), Flanagan and Flannigan each used the disambig template instead of hndis, because not all the entries were names of people, as one has a village and one has a township. I found Flanigan by searching "Category:Lists of ambiguous human names" for pages that have one-word titles, which are generally surname articles or given-name articles that have the wrong template (hndis) instead of surname or given name. The other two dab pages have enough people to make it worthwhile to move them off to their own surname articles as described in MoS:DP. If you would like to add historical or onomastic info to a surname article, feel free. My specialty is more in disambig cleanup, much of which is accomplished by moving people to given-name or surname articles. If you want me to give that treatment to Flanagan and Flannigan, I'll be happy to. If you want me to hold off, fine. But Flanagan is really ripe for splitting to a surname article. Happy editing! Chris the speller (talk) 01:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Dickerson Middle School
Yet another fantastic job at Dickerson Middle School. I was going to ask for your assistance on further improvements, but before I had a chance, you had already pumped in well over a dozen edits. I hope the "middle" doesn't scare people. Alansohn (talk) 18:44, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Even if someone doesn't rate Blue Ribbon schools the number of awards over several years so clearly demonstrates notability that any rational person will keep. TerriersFan (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Rational", unfortunately, is the key word. If you look through a day's worth of AfDs, you see that 10-20% of AfD participants are casting 70-80% of all AfD votes, and this article is no exception. The 10%ers (for lack of a better term) are very often individuals who do little but vote on AfDs and have little or no experience with building articles. Our success rate in improving articles and convincing others to support them is a real testament to a lot of hard work in an environment in which running the AfD gauntlet assures deletion with almost complete certainty. Alansohn (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Brave guy
Pleased to see someone is having ba go at resolving the afd school impasse. Currently it feels like bailing the titanic where we debate each bucket bailed (meanwhile tonnes(tomes?) of iceberg and water moves in). ie We are not deleting quick enough to stop the flow.... so why bother? I read the link you gave me. My thoughts were a) v. good then b) you missed the outer mongolia problem mentioned earlier. A primary Norwegaian school in Iraq may not be blue riband but it is notable. The only school we have in Sierra Leone is notable (until we "find"(are offered) 100 more). I'm sure the first English or Australian primary school on Wikipedia was notable - now we can delete it.

My other thought was - sounds very sensible so far. Not sure how you avoid a stalemate later. Good luck. I hope you manage to create consensus. I have found your approach sound and well argued. My only worry is whether we can keep the balance between number of articles and the number of Real school editors. If we merge everything then we have to have editors who want to merge medium importance schools. Hope this helps. I will pop in and help with schools - esp. if invited. Victuallers (talk) 23:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for these sentiments. At present, the Outer Mongolia issue is only solved by WP:N but I agree it needs better provision. I'm thinking on ... TerriersFan (talk) 00:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Quintanilla Middle School
hey there, I do disagree quite a bit over your opinion that sourced statments should only be removed after discussion on talk pages. Having said that, now that the uniforms text isn't blatant boilerplate applying to all schools in the district, and it is sourced back to a reference directly about this one school, it actually reads better.

If I had seen my removal simply reverted then I edit infrequently enough that a 3RR block wouldn't bother me in the slightest.Garrie 11:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Rudy Herman Guede.jpg
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Joining Wikipedia
Hello, I think I'm going to un-retire from contributing to Wikipedia. I would greatly appreciate it if you could unprotect my user page. Thanks!-- eskimospy  ( talk  &bull;  contribs  &bull;  review me ) 09:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, that's good news - what's the story? TerriersFan 17:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I recently started going to college (Technion) so I didn't think I would have enough time to edit Wikipedia.I guess I do.-- eskimospy  ( talk  &bull;  contribs  &bull;  review me ) 18:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Image Use
Hey, TF, it's me again, and I've got a question about an image. Image:Negligee.jpg is currently being used in the Negligee article. I happen to feel that it is advertising for this user, User:Lorieposes. The text in the picture says "Lorie Poses wearing a black negligee. (Lorie Simms, My Homepage, http://www.LoriePoses.com"...hmmm, I'm thinking that either this is WP:SPAM, or at the least a vanity image. I personally would like to see this picture removed from the article, if not deleted...do I have a case? Thanks, Ben  ja  min  16:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice picture :-) You are right in that it is self-promotional but a link to the author's website is always accepted in an image description. In any case the website seems to be down. I don't think that you will get anywhere on a deletion request. TerriersFan 17:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks. Yes, the website is down, but I can only imagine...Have you taken a look at this user's talk page? I would suggest a visit if you haven't already. It seems that she has had a problem with uploading images in the past. And on my talk page, an image I uploaded was deleted because it was a "vanity image", though it wasn't of me...wouldn't this fit that bill and be eligible for speedy deletion? Just a thought... Ben ja  min  17:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You are obviously very unhappy about the image so try a tag. Another admin might well take a different view. TerriersFan 17:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems a little disturbing to me that Wikipedia would be using images that seem, at least to me, to be promoting some website were a lady is "posing". I replaced the image with another I dug up in Wikimedia Commons which is actually a historic picture illustrating the use of negligees, blah, blah blah. I guess I'll have to see what happens. Thanks for your help and suggestions. Ben  ja  min  18:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Glover School
Good day TerriersFan. Thanks for taking on the expansion. I've been trying to limit the time I spend on my different interests so had to leave it at a few interesting sources but it's hardly surprising that a hundred-year-old school has a lot of notable history. There is more to be found through google news and I saw another today at Award-winning Math teacher.

The building report needs to be downloaded to open for some reason but if you have trouble, you can see the google html capture.

Oh, and I will add the Department of Education report to the external links. Good source for facts.

Cheers! Double Blue (Talk) 22:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Your original question on Math article: I haven't paid to see the Globe article but the google preview hints. Double Blue (Talk) 22:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar!

 * Wow! Many thanks! TerriersFan 17:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Heath School
Another new school AfD is up at Articles for deletion/Heath School. I add details regarding an alum (with atruly relevant connection back to the school). I also added a 1950 article from teh Chrisitian Science Monitor about the school's rebuilding. There were few details but ist seems odd that it was newsworthy. I don't want to exclude you from the fun, and i wanted to see if you might want to chip in on adding some sources. All the best, and thanks for your continued valiant efforts. Alansohn 00:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

re:Articles for deletion/S.M.K. Sultan Abdul Samad, Petaling Jaya
Oops, yes thanks for putting the oldafd notice on the talk page. James086 Talk &#124; Email 01:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thank you - much appreciated. TerriersFan (talk) 04:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Suggestions?
I'm planning on submitting myself on Rfa in a few months (after I develope a massive number of edits) and I was wondering if you have any suggestions on what to do so I would get accepted. I'm asking instead of blindly submitting application because I heard it's harder to get accepted if you already submitted a proposal and were rejected. Thanks.-- eskimospy  ( talk ) 00:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There are a number of things you can do but the overriding requirement is to show that you have a good grasp of policy and that you deal with difficult and controversial issues in a calm and considerative way. Certainly it is a good idea to avoid edit warring and ensure that talk page comments are seen to be polite and balanced (these are general points BTW and not aimed at anything you have done). Specific ideas:
 * Create one good article where all the content is well sourced. Select something you have expertise in and, if a place, building etc, perhaps a local one that you can photograph.
 * Take part in WP:DRV discussions. This is a good forum to get noticed and well balanced, well researched comments catch the eye.
 * Invite an editor review that will give you a feel for how you are regarded.
 * Develop an interest where admin tools would help so that you can make a case for needing the tools. There are various project pages; copyvio, images, speedy deletes and so on where admin tools are used - select one that interests you.
 * Build up a track record of vandal fighting. Keep an eye out for vandalism to revert and use an appropriate warning template. Quite a good place to look is External links (hit the Random article button) where enormous amounts of link spam accumulates - clean it up and warn recent spammers.


 * HTH. TerriersFan (talk) 04:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice :).-- eskimospy  ( talk ) 10:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

STM High School
Further to the edits on St Thomas More High School for Boys: I know it is sourced but the headmaster and I have previously spoken and he is extremely unhappy with this being on the article. It can in some way put a bad influence on the school and is not very good for the school's reputation, so please could we leave it out, just this time, and I am willing to help you out with anything else. I Thank you for your great work on Wikipedia.. but just this once is very important. I see the importance of Wikipedia's policies, but please, for the sake of the school, could we leave this out.

greenwood dale
do you go to greenwood dale school? please reply on my page

Thankyou Olz06 19:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC) ((Please reply on my talk page - Thanks))

Thanks very much
Many thanks, TerriersFan, and Boas Festas, as we say in Portugal at this time of year - Rothorpe (talk) 22:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Northern Ireland
I am unsure why this article was protected, it appeared to be vandalised by a single anon over a period of 10 mins, who had since stopped, but I dont think that is grounds for a one month protection. Could you clarify onb the article talk page why it has been protected, thaks Fasach Nua (talk) 11:14, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

STM High School
Thankyou for changing this. Olz06 21:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Henry Hudson
Yes, sorry. I had an edit conflict and didn't notice the sectioning change at first. I believe I replaced it. I'm done with the school for tonight. Cheers! Double Blue (Talk) 04:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Ban this guy, you've already warned him!
User:195.194.252.133 ....... This is a request man, he vandalises topics about random Japanese stuff and writes stuff like Alan Griffiths is a **** and all that. You have warned him before for editing Tesco before. I read up a lot about Japanese articles and he is a pain. Reminds me of Hell

Respect all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.83.246 (talk) 12:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about that template, I made a mistake using the Anti-Vandal tool. Again, sorry! Macy's123 19:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

deprodding
I'm glad you're catching one of the anon editors batch of excessive prod tags--I've left him a note about it. Wuestion. When I deprod a article on someone who is clearly notable but with a one-linearticle. I usually leave a message on the authors talk page, explaining that it should be expanded and sourced. I used to try to follow up all of these after that, but there got to be too many. How much do you think is worth the teouble? DGG (talk) 13:11, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think that the single note is a great idea but following up seems more bother than its worth. BTW, I suspect that the anons are registered users trying to keep aggro off their registered accounts. For example one anon, after a lot of prods then put ((schoolmerge)) tags on dozens of pages. Shortly after a well known user also put ((schoolmerge)) tags on another bunch of pages. Just a curious coincidence I'm sure! TerriersFan (talk) 13:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

replied on my talk page
I replied on my talk. Lets keep the conversation there if you don't mind. Yo can always copy it here later. I dislike having just half the convo on my page. JERRY talk contribs 00:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Security Age article
In my new proposal for the "Security Age" article, I feel that it is important to have a global point-of-view, as I mentioned on the AFD entry page, and also not to limit the focus to the post-9/11 era. Historically, there have always been reasons to "beef up" security, and when there has been such a need, appropriate actions have been taken. Besides, there have been terrorist attacks and threats long before 9/11.

There are plenty of high profile accounts of increased security prior to 9/11. In one article I created, Piggybacking (security), I referenced a 1999 news report in which piggybacking was one of the methods used to breach airport security. I originally heard the term "piggybacking" in the 1980s in a place where I worked then, when employees were warned not to accidentally allow unauthorized people to gain entry. The first time I heard it in the news was in the late 1990s when weaknesses in airport security were discussed in the media. Not to be confused, I also created the article Piggybacking (internet access), a more recent usage for that term.Hellno2 (talk) 16:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am very happy with all this - can you suggest a title? TerriersFan (talk) 19:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am leaning toward "Increased security" or something of the like.Hellno2 (talk) 20:10, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Here are some ideas:
 * * Security since 9/11
 * * Comparison of security before and after 9/11
 * * Increased security since 9/11 TerriersFan (talk) 20:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned before, the purpose I have proposed is to write about the general concept, and not specifically about 9/11. Increasing security is a historic phenomenon dating way far back, and should not be chronocentric. There could and should, however, be some mention of 9/11 in the article. You can read what I wrote on the AFD page too.Hellno2 (talk) 21:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Burr Road Middle School
Well, I can't think of any reason not to do that, so I will go ahead and make a restored redirect. Wizardman 16:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, many thanks. TerriersFan (talk) 20:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Greenwood Dale
Sorry. I didn't write that about Greenwood Dale School - That was the first time I'd heard of it. It must of been an error by another user or something!  Olz06 17:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry about that! TerriersFan (talk) 20:01, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Wauwatosa West High School
Hi, Wauwatosa West High School that you worked on was, in my view, wrongly deleted. I have moved it to my user space and have already substantially expanded it prior to recreating. There are still loads of other sources available. Please feel free to contribute. TerriersFan (talk) 16:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking at the article and the AfD makes me all the more baffled that the article was ever deleted. I will add a few tweaks, including enrollment info, but it looks to be ready for a move to mainspace as it exists right now. Alansohn (talk) 17:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Murder of Meredith Kercher
An article that you have been involved in editing, Murder of Meredith Kercher, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Murder of Meredith Kercher. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 16:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Independence/Independent
I still think it's confusing to have two similar dab pages, so how about if I add the list of towns to Independent and then have Independence redirect? Or, better yet, take the guts of Independent and replace the messy part of Independence? I think you and I are the only people who care, so I'm hoping we can agree first rather than editing each other's stuff back and forth. Cheers, --AndrewHowse (talk) 16:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan. I'll look out for it. btw if there's good reason to keep 'em separate then that's fine too, but I've been cleaning out links to the Independent dab page and it seems to me that the most common uses are really independence of a country and independent (politician) which isn't on the independence page at present. Plus I seem to recall that there's a WP preference for nouns over adjectives as page titles. Anyway, I'll watch for your proposal. --AndrewHowse (talk) 17:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm a goof, thanks
Wow, sorry. I closed two last night and didn't only mess up the templates, I also forgot to remove the article templates and add the talk page templates on both. I guess that is what I get for trying to get work done at one o'clock at night. At any rate, I have now fixed them. I just wanted to thank you for bringing the error to my attention. Cheers. SorryGuy Talk  16:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Reference formatting
Hello, TF, I suspect and hope you are well. I just created what I think is one of the best articles I have created to date, but I would like some help with the references (The article is All Saints' Church, Wittenberg, Germany: keep an eye out for it in DYK). In other articles, I've seen where one reference has a little a b c d e f g, etc., like little exponents. I think I need to do that here, since I use several source multiple times. I vaguely remember being taught this or learning it by trial and error a while ago, but I can't figue it out for the life of me. Would you care to show me how to do it or point me to someone or something that will help? Thanks, Benjamin  Scrīptum est  -   Fecī 02:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Benjamin, it was me :-) You have to name the references - I have fixed a couple of the Sacred Destinations refs as an example to show how it is done. TerriersFan (talk) 02:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you so very, very much...I just needed that bit of refreshing. You would make a good teacher, I think :]. Benjamin  Scrīptum est  -   Fecī 03:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Brilliant
I get a cruel pleasure out of seeing how the IOM school has gone from stub for deletion to a fair weight. If you can get it to have over 1500 characters of real text (ignoring refs etc) then I'll nominate it for DYKnow. Interested? I'll help Victuallers (talk) 11:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Late news

 * ...that Bunscoill Gaelgagh is the only primary school that teaches only in the Manx language? by TerriersFan and Victuallers nom. Victuallers Victuallers (talk) 15:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC) note 5x expansion of stub that was AFD'd. Article is now larger and as you see very notable.
 * Neat idea; and while I've been out I see that you have been working hard - great stuff! TerriersFan (talk) 16:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * and I see you have also done some. I havnt touched DahliaRoses source as I thought I'd leave a bit ... for anyone else. Should make a nice surprise for the school when they return Victuallers (talk) 20:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

STM Talk Page
Hello again, As much as I'd like to see that thing removed from the article, I didn't write that thingg. As you might see, I can't find it right now, I have my own IP adress which i've had for ages and It has several edits for when I am not signed in. Someone must be hacked off with me trying to delete it or something, which I am now neutral with. I always do my best to sign in so I can get my edit count up. With edit tracks I will try to find out who that person is.

Thanks and sorry again!

I do want to become an administrator one day!!

Olz06 21:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you like these WP:SNOWball fights?
They are certainly interesting, eh? JERRY talk contribs 04:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but they could be avoided if users did some minimal research before pressing the AfD button :-( TerriersFan (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

greenwood dale
so terriers fan do u go to greenwood dale school ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.167.162 (talk) 13:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No. TerriersFan (talk) 20:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Image moving
Hello, TF, sorry I continuosly bug you, but I have another query which needs answering, and perhaps invovles some instruction to help my ignorance and idiocy. Again, it's about All Saints' Church, Wittenberg: I suppose I should fill you in on the new developments. I went searching for a page on All Saints' in the German Wikipedia, and found it at "Schloss Wittenberg". I was checking through the page, which is quite a nice article, and found that it had a lot of info that the one I created didn't, from what my rough, rough knowledge of German tells me. I appealed to a few bilingual German/English speakers here, and found one who said that he would translate the page for me. I figured that, for now, I could move the images over from the German page to the one I created: however, as you can see if you check the image gallery, I can't get them from the German one! I'm not sure the reason: I'm assuming that it's because they aren't on Commons and therefore, I can't access them. If that's the case, how do I move them to commons so I can use them? If you could help me at all here, it would be much appreciated in any form, either a pointer to someone who can help or directly from you. Benjamin Scrīptum est  -   Fecī 19:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Ben, your diagnosis is correct; the problem you have is that the images had not been uploaded to Commons. English WP has no access to the images on German WP. Basically, there are two ways of cracking the problem since I wouldn't advise your trying a move to Commons as too complicated:
 * Save the images to disk and then upload them to English WP as normal. Provided those images have the usual Creative Commons/GNU licenses then the English equivalent of the licences can be added; or
 * Place a note in German on the article and image talk pages asking for someone from the German WP to move them to Commons. HTH. TerriersFan (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's what I was thinking. I can't believe that there's no way stuff can be shared inter-wiki, though...someone ought to work on that. My only problem with added them to commons/Eng. WP is that everything is in German: description, licenses, etc...I have two people lined up that are willing to translate the article, but the article doesn't have any sources, so I have to come up with something to remedy that, but those are my issues...Perchance I could get one of the translators to turn the German descriptions, etc, into english, then I could move them over here. Do you think that I could move the images to commons, German and all? Thanks for your assistance, Benjamin  Scrīptum est  -   Fecī 03:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've fixed one :-) "stuff can be shared inter-wiki" but that is done by uploading them to Commons. All the images seem to have GNU 1.2 licences. Consequently they are in the public domain. You may well want to get someone more expert than me (not hard :-) ) but if it were me I'd just save them down, upload them, add the licence and then add the attribution from the German version. The alternative, as I said, is to ask our German friends to upload them to Commons. TerriersFan (talk) 03:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: the Nowlin school AFD
Hey, you know I am normally all for keeping most schools, but in this case, many of the further reading articles that I checked just trivially mention this specific school. Such articles about the budget for the district, for example. Others are about a field trip location and mention that students came from the school. What I look for in a source being used for notabilty is that the subject of the article is the subject of the source cited. I did not take the time to read each one, so it is possible that the volume of links there is obfuscating some that would meet my criteria. If the list was pared-down to only such references, I would be willing to revisit it. Thanks, JERRY talk contribs 20:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I wondered about that; thanks for looking. TerriersFan (talk) 21:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Olz06 Adminship
Hi

I have put in a request for adminship, just wanted to ask do you think I am good enough or deserve to be an administrator??

Link: Requests for adminship/Olz06 2

Thanks

Olz06 23:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

-- Thanks.. look like I didn't get it after all and I see why... mainly not enough experience! I will try again in a few months time. Thanks your tips. Olz06 13:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Translation
I think that the translation has a lot of good, new stuff, and I'm quite pleased with it, but i suppose that I should have asked him to put it into a sandbox first. Yes, I think that we should undo the edit, I've the text that was changed saved to Word, so I'll put that into a sandbox and work it into the article. Benjamin Scrīptum est  -   Fecī 16:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

New Format of All Saints' Church, Wittenberg
So, I put what was in the article before Escondites put in his translation into a sandbox, User:Bmrbarre/All Saints' Church, Wittenberg, then I added the relevant information gained from his translation and incorporated it into the article. I reformatted the pictures a bit, too, but they still look like crap...something has to be done about that, I'm think a gallery once I move all of the other pics to commons. Thanks for all your help and guidance, suggestions and critiques are always welcome, Benjamin  Scrīptum est  -   Fecī 17:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem with WP is that what looks good in one screen mode looks awful in others :-( For example, the History section doesn't look good in 800x600 because you get a thin column of text between two images. I would move Image:Wittenberg elector.jpg to a gallery and right justify all the other images. TerriersFan (talk) 03:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/OMD (advertising) (2nd nomination)
As clear claims of notability supported by reliable sources have been added to the OMD (advertising) article, you may want to revisit the article and reconsider your !vote in light of the changes made. Alansohn (talk) 18:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks; that was helpful. TerriersFan (talk) 00:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Where should this go?
Hello again, TF, I'm sure you're sick of me by now, but yet again I have a question. I'd like to write something about supposedly anti-patriotic pictures that were taken in Spaulding High School right around the 2003 invasion of Iraq and how Rush Limbaugh spent an entire show talking about them. The teacher was Tom Treece, the school was Spaulding, and the guy was Rush Limbaugh, so what do I wirte about this under? Create a page for Mr. Treece? Write about it on the Spaulding page? Or should I put it into a page, something like Spaulding Picture Incident? Is this even notable enough and/or would it have a snowball's chance in hell if a page about it went up for deletion? (You can read more about what I'm talking about at this google search) Thanks, Benjamin  Scrīptum est  -   Fecī 00:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The pictures were taken in Spaulding High School and relate to one of the teachers. I think, therefore, that quite clearly it should, initially, be a section of the school page. If it gets too big and overpowers that page then it can be broken out as a sub-page of the school article. TerriersFan (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Happened to drop by. I think this would raise BLP questions, certainly if it were posted under the teachers name. DGG (talk) 02:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, an article on the teacher is not the way to go. But provided it is fully sourced, I see no problems with the incident in the school page. TerriersFan (talk) 04:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A proper mention of the incident might acceptable, but i suggest asking at the BLP noticeboard. DGG (talk)

Humanities Colleges
Someone has been messing about and has moved the page for Humanities College to Specialist Humanities College. The move is quite unnecessary and illogical as all the other specialist schools don't have the word specialist in front of them and they are not titled this way on the DFES website. Another user has moved the page back again but the same user has again moved the page. I've tried to move the page myself but find I'm unable to do so as it now requires administrator intervention. I wonder if you might be able to sort it out for us and put it back as it was. Many thanks. Dahliarose (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for sorting the problem out so promptly. Dahliarose (talk) 23:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ditto. ~ Scribble Monkey (talk) 23:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Fremont Elementary School
Hi TerriersFan, I just changed my mind about this article deletion. If you click the bluelink further then you will be taken into a loop via a template that implies that every school in the district has a notable article. I have changed my vote... as you are an influential voice then I think you may like to see if you agree? Victuallers (talk) 09:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What has happened is that an IP has redirected all the nn elementary schools to an omnibus page; frankly a not unreasonable action. However, he didn't create an entry for this school which I have now done. Thank you for pointing it out. TerriersFan (talk) 16:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)