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Template 2022 NCAA Division I FBS football season navbox
Hello, Jweiss11,

This template actually was created prior to the other one and has a fuller page history so I've removed the CSD tag. There must be a better way to determine which is the better template. Liz Read! Talk! 03:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This template is misnamed. Note the missing colon, which puts it in the article space. It just needs to be deleted. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:21, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Congratulations on > 15 million page views
The Userviews tool shows that articles you created on Wikipedia have received 15,617,276 views since 7/1/2015 (the earliest date when data is available). Here are your top 25 most-viewed creations:

If you're interested in the complete list, it can be seen here. Cbl62 (talk) 10:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Thanks for sharing! Jweiss11 (talk) 17:34, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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DYK for Arnold Oehlrich
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1953 college football season
Your last edit caused a parser limit - the article won't render due to >500 parser calls. It looks like this must be split now. MB 19:49, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I know. 1952 and 1954 are just over the limit too. The articles don't need to be split. We need to create more team seasons article, which will reduced the calls to Template:Cfb link. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:53, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That's the only one in Category:Articles with invalid date parameter in template, which I monitor and keep empty. Will the solution be anytime soon? MB 20:04, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hopefully not more than a few days; see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football. Would you like to help? Jweiss11 (talk) 20:57, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I wouldn't know where to begin. I'm not much into sports. The only related article I ever wrote was a a biography. MB 21:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

1973 college football season
I'm moving through Middle Tennessee State's football seasons and I noticed that the Middle Tennessee State's media guide had the first game against Tennessee State was played at Vanderbilt, not Tennessee State. The Tennessee State's 1973 page has it played at home, i could not find a reference on newspapers.com Can you help?.....Pvmoutside (talk) 18:23, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Pvmoutside, the game was played at Vanderbilt's Dudley Field. I've made the changes and added references to the two articles. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:05, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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Pre-WWII locale of Nickerson Field
Pinning down the pre-WWII location of old Nickerson Field proves difficult. Some years, the site is listed as Weston, MA. Other years, it's Auburndale, MA. And across years, it's frequently listed as being in Riverside. I'm trying to follow the sources year by year, but it's a challenge. Any insights? Cbl62 (talk) 01:29, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There doesn't seen to be a municipality in Massachusetts called Riverside, so I think that was the name of the neighborhood or park around there. Google Maps shows a Riverside Park near there and there's Riverside station (MBTA) in Auburndale pretty close by. Between Weston and Auburndale, I'd lean toward Weston as that seems to be more common. Would be best to see if we can gather some more details about "Old Nickerson Field" and potentially break it out from Nickerson Field, which is a totally different structure. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * FWIW, Riverside Park and the Riverside station appear to be outside the city limits of both Auburndale and Weston -- but closer to Auburndale than to Weston. It's also possible there was more than one Old Nickerson Field. Auburndale seems like the more common reference in the late 1920s, early 1930s, and Weston in the late 1930s and early 1940s. Maybe an inquiry to the BU archives? Cbl62 (talk) 02:31, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * On a related note, it appears the BU football team was known as the "Pioneers" only for a relatively brief period from 1928 to 1932, with "Terriers" being the common name both before and after. (Both names were in use in 1928 with "Pioneers" more common.) Cbl62 (talk) 02:37, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

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College Football Data Warehouse way back machine vs school data
I've been working on Cincinnati's missing games and noticed in 1907 the college football data warehouse way back machine has them for 2 games, but Cincinnati's history has them as not playing in 1907. Who is right?Pvmoutside (talk) 19:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I would refrain from creating an article for 1907 unless you can find other sources (e.g. contemporary newspaper accounts) that establish that Cincinnati played that season and give significant coverage. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)


 * and, not to cut into you guy's conversation, but I see that the CFBDW listed "No Team" for 1907 on Cincinnati's main page—but then still lists scores for two games for 1907's score page, as Pvmoutside said (against the Ohio Military Institute and Miamisburg Athletic Club). Odd to have this contradiction coming out of the same website. The CFBDW also mentions that for 1907 only, a "Coach Clancey" led the team (in 1908, a Coach Clancey did indeed attempt to acquire the permanent head coaching position). They certainly appeared to have started out with plans to have a team in 1907 (a May 1907 article mentions that Carlisle dropped their varsity team from the schedule—a contest which was apparently expected to be a huge draw for Cincy that year...perhaps Cincy tossed around the idea of canceling the entire season after being snubbed for that big game). However, then they are documented by the Cincinnati Enquirer as losing a game (while under the direction of Coach Clancey) to OMI, just as the CFBDW had claimed—but this team is at first described as "a star team" in passing as if it could possibly be some kind of non-varsity team that was assembled of various people representing the school...but then later in the article it does in fact refer to the team as "the Varsity." But very soon after that game was played, the Cincinnati Post wrote, "Now the University boasts of no team. Who ever hears the University of Cincinnati mentioned now?" as if the team no longer existed by that point. Again, odd considering that they also had a game scheduled with Miamisburg A.C. for Thanksgiving Day, according to the Dayton Herald, and the CFBDW has a score for that game.


 * – Theduder3210 (talk) 05:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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Dubofsky
Worked a bit on the Dubofsky article this morning. Question: He's listed in Jews in Sports here. Is his faith something that would be appropriately noted in the article? Or an applicable category? Cbl62 (talk) 14:52, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * , I can't speak for, but so many Wikipedia articles about people from various professions list their religious preferences—under a "Personal life" subtopic near the end of the articles—that it does seem somewhat relevant in describing who he was as a person. His religion also seems kind of noteworthy in this particular case given how he served in various capacities at numerous Catholic institutions over the decades but was not even affiliated with that belief system.


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 * I thought Stossel's piece showed a better understanding of how Wikipedia actually works than many I've seen in conservative media, and I wonder if that was partially down to your influence. I hope so! I mostly disagree with his conclusions, but at least he made his points in a reasonable way. Ganesha811 (talk) 12:53, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Great job on making your points...I enjoyed your perspective and also agree with it, even though I tend to the liberal side in politics....Pvmoutside (talk)⁓

Disappointing
The video called for defunding of our project. I found that very disappointing, to say the least.

Your well-made call for more editors representing all sides of the debate should have been the focus, but Stossel did not emphasize it clearly enough.

I think you missed two crucial points on your political commentary, namely that:
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The first point means the weight of our highest quality pool of sources leans left. And the second is about our editor pool: this 2 min video of Bertrand Russell ("…ask yourself only, what are the facts…") shows the mentality driving many left-leaning Wikipedia editors, a mentality which is less prevalent on the right.

This is structural to our society. It is much bigger than us here, or even this era. It was a large part of the reason for the Nazi book burnings too.

Making Wikipedia into a scapegoat for the above is irresponsible, and frankly very damaging.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:United States Football League navigational boxes


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Template:1946 Ivy League football standings
A heads up -- At least by the post-WWII years, the sources are pretty clear that the Ivy League was recognized as an official conference and the schools were not included in lists of "independents". Accordingly, I've started the conversion process with the 1946 season work that I currently have in process. Cbl62 (talk) 16:07, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * As an example, The Official NCAA Football Guide for 1946 includes "Ivy League" standings at p. 98. Cbl62 (talk) 16:10, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * See also Grantland Rice, AP, NANA. Cbl62 (talk) 16:12, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * BTW, The Official NCAA Football Guide for 1946 also includes a number of other standings tables. How far down the depth chart do you think we should go in creating standings templates? Cbl62 (talk) 16:43, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up on this. Yeah, I've seen pre-1956 mention of the Ivy League before. We should include a reference at Template:1946 Ivy League football standings. Are you working off a hard copy of the 1946 guide? I have the Spalding guides for the 1934 and 1935 seasons. I've done a lot work of the past couple years building out the standing templates for minor conferences. Which conference standings in the 1946 guide that aren't yet listed at 1946 college football season? I know Midwest Conference and State Teacher's College Conference of Minnesota are missing. Haven't gotten to those yet. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I bought a set of the guides from 1942-1947 off ebay a few years ago. There are loads of other conferences listed for 1946 including:
 * Pennsylvania State Teachers College Conference (California State, Mansfield State, Millersville State, Slippery Rock State, Indiana State, Clarion State, East Stroudsburg State, Bloomsburg State, Loch Haven State, Shipppensburg State, Edinboro State)
 * West Virginia Athletic Conference (West Liberty State, Marshall, Potomac State, West Virginia Tech, Fairmont State, West Virginia Wesleyan, Davis & Elkins, Morris Harvey, Concord State, Glenville State, Shepherd State, Bethany, Salem)
 * North Carolina State Intercollegiate Conference (Catawba, Appalachian State, High Point, Western Carolina State, Guilford, Lenoir Rhyne, Elon, Atlantic Christian)
 * Kentucky Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (Eastern Kentucky State, Morehead State, Murray State, Louisville, Western Kentucky State, Georgetown College)
 * Louisiana Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (Southeastern Louisiana State, Louisiana Tech, Southwestern Louisiana Institute, Northwestern Louisiana State Louisiana College)
 * Mid-America Conference (Cincinnati, Western Reserve, Ohio U., Wayne)
 * Midwest Collegiate Athletic Conference (Lawrence, Ripon, Cornell, Carleton, Monmouth, Grinnell, Beloit, Knox, Coe)
 * Iowa Intercollegiate Conference (Upper Iowa, Central (Iowa), St. Ambrose, Parsons, Luther, Dubuque, Simpson, Iowa Wesleyan, Buena Vista, Wartburg, Western Union, Loras, William Penn)
 * And many more. One of the benefits of filling these out is that it reduces that overwhelming size of the "independents" templates as we eventually get everything in their correct spots and limit the latter templates to true independents. Cbl62 (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * We've got Template:1946 Iowa Conference football standings ("Iowa Intercollegiate Conference") and Template:1946 North State Conference football standings looks to be the same as "North Carolina State Intercollegiate Conference". Jweiss11 (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I added a source to the 1946 Ivy League template. Feel free to reposition if I've put it in the wrong place. Cbl62 (talk) 17:27, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * See WikiProject College football/1946 season inventory for a fuller inventory. Cbl62 (talk) 00:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Does the 1946 guide list the conference standings for conferences like the Midwestern Athletic Association? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:34, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

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In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

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Magnolia
You changed the win-loss record for 1946 Magnolia A&M Aggies football team to figures other than what is reported in the NCAA guide (and different from the game results). Do you have a source for this change? If so, does your source also have the game details? Cbl62 (talk) 16:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * My source is the archive of the College Football Data Warehouse: https://web.archive.org/web/20150906132638/http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/active/s/southern_arkansas/1945-1949_yearly_results.php. I just expanded the schedule for the 1946 Magnolia A&M team accordingly. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:58, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

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1946 Ohio Athletic Conference football season
There is a discrepancy between the 1947 NCAA Football Guide and the OAC Media Guide as to whether there were 17 or 21 members of the 1946 Ohio Athletic Conference football season. For now, I've included the "Conference overview" based on the 1947 NCAA Guide. I will try to confirm which is correct. Thoughts? Cbl62 (talk) 23:52, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In addition to the 1947 NCAA Guide, contemporaneous news accountss support there being 21 teams in the OAC for the 1946 season. E.g., here and here. Cbl62 (talk) 00:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's an ad run by Wilmington confirming its OAC membership in 1946. Cbl62 (talk) 00:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If the 21-team count is correct, the 1946 OAC standings template will need to be modified. Cbl62 (talk) 00:33, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Cbl, thanks for the heads up on this. I've added the four missing teams (Findlay, Akron, Denison, Wilmington) to Template:1946 Ohio Athletic Conference football standings and updated all the records there and on the related season and coach articles. I've also done the same for Template:1947 Ohio Athletic Conference football standings, which was similarly missing three teams (Ohio Wesleyan, Akron, Wilmington). It's probably worth checking the other years in that era as well against contemporary newspaper accounts. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

1946 Midwest Conference
Please hold off on editing this article further. An edit conflict just caused me to lose my work. Cbl62 (talk) 01:58, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fixing my naming error. It's just that edit conflicts drive me crazy. Cbl62 (talk) 02:03, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You did it again. I was in the middle of editing 1946 Northwest Conference season when you moved it. Lost my entire summary of the Whitman season due to edit conflict. I've asked before and ask again. When I'm actively creating an article, please hold off on your edits to avoid edit conflicts. It's extremely frustrating to lose my work like this. Cbl62 (talk) 15:03, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

1946 season
We're now up to 449 teams for which we have coverage via either stand-alone articles (243) or conference coverage (206). I'm close to burnout on the project. Are there other conferences or teams from the 1946 season inventory that you think should be prioritized? 22:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC) Cbl62 (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd say were probably in pretty good shape for new 1946 articles for now. It would make more sense to flesh out the schedule table blanks in all those new articles or attack other years like 1955 college football season, which is right at the limit for cfb link calls. I have some thoughts/questions about the general approach with conference season articles that I plan to bring up at WT:CFB. Sorry for those edit conflicts. I usually look to see that you're on to editing something else before I drive in. I was eager to try and keep up with the category work, project tagging, and other housekeeping. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If and when I get motivated again, the 1946 conferences that I think probably warrant articles are primarily in the South (Mason-Dixon, North State, South Carolina Little Four, KIAC, and Smoky Mountain). So far, I've avoided the South, as I'm not the creator of the articles that would likely need to be merged. As for the general approach with conference season articles, of course, feel free to discuss your thoughts/questions directly with me as well. As for the edit conflicts, it's frustrating in the moment, but I do understand -- and I had neglected to put up a "construction" template. Cbl62 (talk) 22:56, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:American Mideast Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Association of Mideast Colleges football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Badger-Gopher Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Badger-Illini Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Big Four Conference (Wisconsin) football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Central Church College Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Central States Intercollegiate Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Chesapeake Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Dakota-Iowa Athletic Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Gateway Conference (1962–1975) football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Great Plains Athletic Conference (1972–1976) football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Hoosier–Buckeye Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Illinois College Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Mason–Dixon Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Metropolitan Intercollegiate Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Nebraska Intercollegiate Athletic Association football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:New York State Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:North Dakota College Athletic Conference football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Oklahoma Intercollegiate Conference (1974–1997) football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association (1976–1997) football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Virginia College Athletic Association football


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:West Penn Conference football


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Oh, my
Hello, Jweiss11,

I apologize for the flurry of CSD notifications on your talk page. But I have a strong belief in informing editors when pages they created are tagged for deletion and tonight, we had 23 football categories that suddenly became empty.

I'm inquiring with the editor responsible to get an answer on why these categories were emptied but I believe it has something to do with the deletion of templates that populated the categories or changes to the templates that caused the changes. I don't think that the categories were emptied "out of process", that is, inappropriately. But when I know more, I'll pass it on to you in since you went to the trouble of creating all of these categories on this subject matter. Feel free to delete all of these CSD notices from your talk page.

If you aren't aware, empty categories sit for 7 days in Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion before they are deleted, just in case there was some mistake that led them to become empty. Thanks! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:28, 16 August 2022 (UTC)


 * , yes, these categories all became empty when removed subcategories containing templates per WP:CAT. WP:CAT#T is the core issue here. It's a bad rule—an edict of sorts with no practical rationale—that should be overturned; see Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 18 for some discussion on this. What would be the best way to get a resolution on this issue? Should we do an RfC? Jweiss11 (talk) 03:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)


 * An RfC sounds like a good idea, preferably where editors who work with categories would see it. You seem to know more about this than I do. I do know that some closers of TFD discussions delete categories after they delete a template. But I'm more fuzzy on how the templates and categories interact. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:17, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

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Boise State Broncos football
Any issues with me making the 1933-67 Boise State seasons into separate articles since the team is now FBS? It was a junior college back then and those years are now a single article.Pvmoutside (talk) 01:05, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Pvmoutside, not sure this is a great idea unless you're going to add significant third-party sourcing this these articles. I don't believe we have any stand-alone junior college football season articles. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:50, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree with Jweiss11. We should IMO only create a stand-alone season article on a junior college team where the article includes SIGCOV from multiple, reliable sources. I can only recall creating one season article on a JC team (1946 Compton Tartars football team), and that was an instance where the team won the Little Rose Bowl (then a JC national championship game) and where there was abundant coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 05:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Boise JC won a NJCAA National Football Championship in 1958 and had a number of other undefeated and conference championship seasons under Lyle Smith. But I would only create season articles if you're going to include a lot of sourcing to establish significant coverage. Boise State Broncos football junior college seasons could also stay together be improved with clean-up and more sourcing. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:58, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

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DYK for Shaun Aguano
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2022 Shepherd Rams football team
Hello again! I had a question regarding the 2022 Shepherd Rams football team page. In this template, Shepherds conference record is noted as 7-0, which includes PSAC West teams. In the past, I think I remember you telling me that the conference record should only include PSAC East wins/losses, but I can't exactly remember. On the 2022 Shepherd page, I changed the conference record in the infobox to match the template, but wanted to make sure that was correct, so I figured I'd ask. Thanks again for all of your help! SPF121188 (talk this way) (contribs) 13:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , you can see that on both the PSAC (https://psacsports.org/standings.aspx?standings=222) and Shepherd (https://shepherdrams.com/sports/football/schedule?path=football) websites, only intravdivision games are counted in the conference record. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:42, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Understood, thanks! I just wanted to make sure since those standings templates reflect otherwise, but I'll update the 2022 team page to reflect it correctly. Thanks again! SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 12:32, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Auto-ed reverts
Per my edit summary, there is no "standard" spacing. The changes you see are bot driven. Please look at WP:AED. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 21:18, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the message here. I was about to drop one of your talk page. Per "standard spacing", I'm talking about the standard formatting you will find in the overwhelming majority of instances of Template:Infobox college coach and Template:CFB Yearly Record Entry. What's the point of removing the spaces? If and when any of those empty fields become populated, a space after the equal sign would be needed for consistency. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The autoed bot does what it does. I (no one) don't know what it is about to do when clicking any particular article. Yes, it does add a space in the bullet lists – and this is consistent with H:LIST & MOS:LIST. So what if the changes are invisible or purely cosmetic – it does not help to revert such auto-ed changes.  – S. Rich (talk) 21:29, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A bot that "does what it does" is not an argument. There should be a good reason behind an edit, particularly a large series of automatic edits. Also, what bot is running these edits? They appear to be performed manually by you? Are you talking about Bots? Was your intent with edit on Clair Dunn just to edit the Find a Grave link? Jweiss11 (talk) 21:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * My edit summary on Clair Dunn says "Cleaned up using AutoEd Adding/removing external link(s)". – S. Rich (talk) 21:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * AutoEd? That's a user script, not a bot. Your intent with the edit was to add the middle initial to the display of the Find a Grave link? Jweiss11 (talk) 21:42, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Clair Dunn was in Category:Find a Grave template with ID not in Wikidata. By fixing the findagrave external link I got the article out of the category. (BTW: bot=schmot & user script=user scrap.) – S. Rich (talk) 21:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , "bot=schmot & user script=user scrap"? What does that mean? So, the goal was to get the Find a Grave ID for Clair Dunn into Wikidata, correct? That's been achieved with |this edit] of yours on Wikidata. Was that edit on Wikidata automatically triggered by your edit here on Wikipedia? Jweiss11 (talk) 04:07, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

1941 SWAC football season
I couldn't help but notice that you have been updating records concerning the 1941 SWAC season recently. You may already be aware of this and just haven't yet had a chance to update the final records accordingly, but apparently Prairie View A&M won the conference championship but then had to forfeit a number of games, and the league no longer considers them (or anyone else) the 1941 champions. Similarly, Southern also had to forfeit a bunch of games that year. Apparently, PVAMU and SU actually played twice that season, giving the rare "double-forfeiture" designation a good chance of being needed.

– Theduder3210 (talk) 20:09, 26 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Theduder3210, yep, I've been expanding and cleaning up a bunch of the SWAC standings tables. I did notice those forfeits listed at the College Football Data Warehouse, but I haven't yet been able to corroborate them. It would be best to get confirmation and explanation from contemporary newspapers sources. Neither Prairie View nor Southern seem to have any recent media guides online, which doesn't help. And I'm doubtful about the accuracy of that list of early champions from the SWAC media guide. Southern and Langston are are listed as co-champs for both 1937 and 1938 there, but Texas College appears to have been the 1937 champ per this December 1937 article. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:20, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah. In that case, this article covers the situation in a little more detail: https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth399184/m1/3/zoom/?q=%22prairie%20view%22%20forfeit&resolution=2&lat=4556.5&lon=1950.96 . What's interesting is that while both PVAMU and Southern apparently got hammered by the powers that be that year, the main news article also goes on to mention that in 1931 Bishop College not only got similarly nailed by the SWAC but even got outright suspended from conference play the following season as well (Wikipedia's Brice Taylor article seems to disagree slightly with the timeline as presented in this newspaper article, however). Further more, another news article on the same page mentions that North Carolina College (North Carolina Central) also got its '41 CIAA crown stripped after a series of forfeitures.


 * – Theduder3210 (talk) 07:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I just created 1941 Prairie View Panthers football team. As far as I can tell, Prairie View and Southern only played once that season, on November 29. The October 21 game listed at CFDW doesn't seem to have happened. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:33, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Theduder3210, thanks for digging up that article from The Portal to Texas History. I've edited 1941 Prairie View Panthers football team, Template:1941 Southwestern Athletic Conference football standings, Sam B. Taylor to reflect the forfeited SWAC title. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:18, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

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Quillette
Interesting! He is however still listed on his profile on Quillette's site as associated editor, which is the first source that comes up when searching for him (at least for me). Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that. Although if he's not on the masthead page, I don't think he should be in the infobox. Jweiss11 (talk) 00:32, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's fair. I've asked the IP editor on their talk page, linking to that page, if they could update it as it would help resolve the issue. Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:33, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

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Howard Yerges Sr.
Thinking about submitting our joint expansion to DYK. How about this as a hook:


 * ... that quarterback Howard Yerges Sr. led Ohio State to consecutive undefeated seasons, and his son Howard Yerges Jr. was quarterback of an undefeated Michigan team that beat Ohio State?

or

Cbl62 (talk) 00:48, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ... that Howard Yerges Sr. and his son Howard Yerges Jr. were both quarterbacks on undefeated Big Ten Conference football championship teams?

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Question on Naming Conventions
Forgive me to burden you with this, I couldn't think of anybody to ask. Trying a little bit to clean up early UNC basketball. What to do with Jack Cobb's nickname of "Spratt"? We no longer do "William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton" which makes some sense, but "John Blackwell "Spratt" Cobb" doesn't quite illustrate the nickname as well as "John Blackwell "Jack" "Spratt" Cobb". Cake (talk) 11:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, per HYPOCORISM, we don't put ommon hypocorisms like Bill for William or Jack for John in bolded quotes in the lead. But unusual nicknames should be states. Was Cobb's nickname "Jack Sprat" rather than just "Sprat"? If so, I think the best way to do this would be the form found at Alex Rodriguez, i.e. John Blackwell Cobb (August 4, 1904 – September 9, 1966), nicknamed "Jack Spratt", was an American... Jweiss11 (talk) 03:25, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's usually "Jack "Spratt" Cobb". The common hypocorism is a part of the nickname, which, on the whole, isn't a common one. Torn on which way to do it myself. There are more sources on the 1924 team article. Cobb and Carmichael were so good that they get their numbers retired and they played before basketball players had numbers. They get a generic jersey in the rafters. Cake  (talk) 05:09, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

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1917 Kansas
Once again, when I am in the middle of working on an article, please wait on any revision you wish to make. Your quick edits following my edits again has caused me to lose my work. Cbl62 (talk) 04:18, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, please do not change introductory formulation to "an overall record of __–__ with a mark of __–__ against conference opponents." The prior formulation is fine and does not need changing. And your formulation is unduly verbose. And the use of "mark" is too colloquial and not encyclopedic. Cbl62 (talk) 04:30, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The form with the conference record in parentheses is not ideal. Don't agree with you about "mark" being too colloquial and not encyclopedic. Can you think of a better synonym for "record"? Jweiss11 (talk) 04:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Just leave it alone. And please (for like the 100th time) hold off for a day (or at least a few hours) on editing an article after I've started working on it. Your following me around and editing within minutes of my starting to edit article has led to countless edit conflicts and is really, really irritating.  Can you do that please?  Cbl62 (talk) 04:41, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw you were making edits on a bunch of Kansas articles. I didn't realize you were still working on 1917. I realize edit conflicts can be annoying, but I'm not sure why you are completely losing your edits. I just had an edit conflict on the WT:CFB, I was was able to copy what I had written in the text box and put it into a new edit. I've already edited the lead of hundreds of other season articles in this manner you are taking issue with. The team's conference record should be be in a parenetical. It's a key piece of information that's more significant than the year of the head coach's tenure or the points scored and allowed by the team. That parenetical form is not good. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:48, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * As for "mark", here are instances of "tying the mark": and "setting the mark"  elsewhere in the encyclopedia. None of those are my edits. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:54, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, the edit conflicts have caused me to completely lose my edits. Can you please just wait a few hours after I'm done? I don't understand why it's so hard to agree to that. You said above, "The team's conference record should be be in a parenetical." I agree with that although I think you meant the opposite. Cbl62 (talk) 05:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * And a parenthetical does not mean that information is unimportant; it's a way of dealing with related substance while avoiding undue wordiness/repetition. Cbl62 (talk) 05:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I meant to say that the conference record should not be in a parenetical. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:07, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you have against parentheticals. They are a very effective grammatical configuration for dealing with related content. Note that it's also how we universally set forth conference records in our infoboxes: "13–0 (9–0 Big Ten)." By putting the conference record in parenthesis, we are not demeaning it as unimportant. Cbl62 (talk) 05:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I think they're appropriate in those infoboxes, which are tables. Prose is another matter. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:14, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Parentheticals are also effective, appropriate and widely accepted in prose. Cbl62 (talk) 05:18, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Avoiding unnecessary repetition is a hallmark of good writing. This piece (here) on good writing provides a good explanation as to the effectiveness of parentheticals: "Parenthetical phrases, also known simply as parentheticals, can be a great way to add flow and concision to an essay. In essence, a parenthetical is just a phrase that is not essential to the rest of the sentence. However, just because it isn’t essential does not mean that it isn’t important. When used correctly, a parenthetical can add crucial new information to a sentence without disrupting the flow. . . . Parenthetical phrases should be an integral component of every writer’s arsenal." Cbl62 (talk) 05:24, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That piece is talking about something different, parenthetical phrases, not the explicit use of parentheses. I don't have a problem with parenthetical phrases. In fact, the phrasing you objected to, "with a mark of..." is a parenthetical phrase. I have a problem with the use of parenthesis, i.e. "", in prose when thing can be written in a better way. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:30, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * No, no, no. A "parenthetical" typically refers to a writing device of placing certain words in parentheses -- thus  "parenthetical." Such parentheticals are entirely appropriate and effective. If you don't believe me on the meaning of "parenthetical", see these dictionary definitions: Merriam-Webster ("of, relating to, or expressed in a parenthesis"); dictonary.com ("characterized by the use of parentheses"), Free Dictionary ("Set off within or as if within parentheses; qualifying or explanatory: a parenthetical remark.... Using or containing parentheses.").  Cbl62 (talk) 05:41, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Obviously the term "parenthetical" can apply to language with or without explicit use of parentheses, the characters "(" and ")". When I first used "parenthetical" above, which I managed to misspell as "parenetical", I was using the term in that sense of explicit use of parentheses characters that matches these various dictionary definitions. Meanwhile, the first document you shared with me from U of Nevada, titled "Parenthetical phrases", doesn't have a single set of parenthesis in it. Anyway, were going down a meta sideroad here. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


 * It's not a meta sideroad. I've noticed that you have an aversion to parentheticals -- you similarly have a tendency to prefer dashes to parentheses in denoting former names of schools. It is important to understand that parentheses are appropriate and effective in prose (not just in tables). Another piece of good advice on "parentheses" versus "dashes" is found here. Both can be used to provide clarifying information, but as noted in the linked piece, parenthesis are often preferable as dashes interrupt flow more profoundly, whereas parentheses provide the interruption more "gently." Another good writing suggestion: "A word of caution: although parentheses can be used throughout all writing genres, dashes are rarely used in formal academic research. Dashes are more common in fiction writing and in more casual texts." Cbl62 (talk) 05:59, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The meta sideroad I was talking about was the definition of "parenetical", not the broader issues here. Yes, I think emdashes are more elegant in prose than parentheses, like when noting a school's name change. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:06, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I know you think that, but your thought is not consistent with good writing practice, which is why I'm raising it. As noted in the passage above (on "dash" versus "parentheses"), parentheses are preferable for two reasons: (1) they provide a less abrupt/aggressive and more gentle tool for presenting the clarifying information, and (2) "although parentheses can be used throughout all writing genres, dashes are rarely used in formal academic research. Dashes are more common in fiction writing and in more casual texts." For both of these reasons, the parentheses are preferable in an aside about the current/former name of a school. Cbl62 (talk) 06:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)