User talk:JzG/Archive 214

Possible WP:FORUMing
Respectfully, I think we are possibly heading into WP:FORUM here, which as a well respected and established admin sets a bad example and invites more such commentary. Further, I think it is always a mistake to think that opposing sides are in no way counterparts to each other. Opponents don't have to be devoid of any merit (even from their own perspective?) and be utterly asymmetrically opposed to be wrong. Taken to its extreme, "false equivalency" arguments verge on denying analogy altogether and often draw on beliefs one would typically fault "regressives" for, like objective morality, which I would class as sloppy or lazy thinking. Cheers. —DIYeditor (talk) 05:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

About an old discussion
Hi JzG! So I had once found suggestions that you had made back in 2019 at. Since then there have been two discussions (1 and 2), one AfD and an RfC related to this. Revisiting this, I don't think the RfC was ever properly implemented and the suggestions you had proposed before were likely a much better way. However I'm unsure how to go about it. Tayi Arajakate Talk 10:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Editnotices/Page/Watergate scandal
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Blacklisted URL
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Removing the AP2 sanction on top of the Watergate scandal page
Hi JzG, on the Watergate scandal page, I was wondering if you could consider removing the contentious topic notice that you put on that page. The sanctions were narrowed down to post-1992 US politics and the recent edits of the article have shown that the only nonconstructive edits seem to be simple vandalism and content removal, which can be covered by normal policy. Interstellarity (talk) 00:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I am sure a passing admin will happily help if you can't do this yourself, as you say it's no longer relevant. Guy (help! - typo?) 22:47, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hockey stick controversy
Hi Guy, it was a while ago now but as as the initiator of this AFD, I thought I'd let you know that I restored the article/talk edits for attribution purposes; see the talk page. I imagine you'd find the paper that inspired these actions, "Rule Ambiguity, Institutional Clashes, and Population Loss: How Wikipedia Became the Last Good Place on the Internet" fascinating ... it's more or less about how Wikipedia gradually adopted a scientific point of view. We haven't crossed paths in that area much but I'd say your one of the main "non-fringe" editors who helped with this process, and Wikipedia (and the Internet) is very much the better for that. Graham 87 10:29, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Awesome, thanks! Great article. Wikipedia-as-Usenet, basically: new Shiny Things appeared, and the dwindling band of those of us who care, hang around and try to keep the old place clean :-) Guy (help! - typo?) 20:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Essay critique
I have created a new essay and would welcome some critique on the talk page there:


 * User:Valjean/Wikipedia's credibility

Valjean (talk) ( PING me ) 22:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

"Jesus ain't say that" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Always precious
Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Since you do a lot of citation work...

 * Wikipedia Signpost/2023-08-01/In focus
 * Wikipedia Signpost/2023-08-01/Tips and tricks

These pieces might interest you. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

G11ed article
Hi, I'm writing an article on Leon Redler (draft here). The article was previously speedily deleted under G11 in 2018 (by you) and A7 in 2010, and I was wondering if there was anything in the deleted versions that may be salvageable. : 3 F4U (they/it) 14:57, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah, nevermind! It appears you no longer have sysop status, I'll find someone else and sorry for the bother : 3 F4U (they/it) 15:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:54, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Since you do (did?) a lot of citation work...

 * Wikipedia Signpost/2023-08-01/In focus
 * Wikipedia Signpost/2023-08-01/Tips and tricks

These pieces might interest you. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:26, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:22, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion
To avoid calls of "malformed RFC", or whatnot:
 * Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not

At the very top, just below the bot syntax, add a single neutral statement of what this is about, and add your signature.

I hope this helps. - jc37 00:31, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

AE discussion
Just in case pings weren't working, I wanted to give you a heads up that the AE discussion has been opened dealing with some of the comments about you. KoA (talk) 16:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Arb Case
Hi Guy, just wanted to let you know the AE case regarding Leyo with comments involving you has been passed on to ArbCom: Arbitration/Requests/Case. Thanks. KoA (talk) 21:28, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Redirect at centimeter fully protected since 2006?
Looks like you fully protected this redirect due an edit war 17 years ago. Is it good to roam now? jp×g 03:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)


 * In as much as I remember, it was a lame war about moving the unit that Americans don't use to the American spelling thereof, but it was all a long time ago. Guy (help! - typo?) 13:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bradley Yohn (November 4)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Ca was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.


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Ca talk to me! 16:58, 4 November 2023 (UTC)