User talk:Jza84/archive7

Manchester
Wikipedia should have the full correct information on it, not what people want on it. Leaving information about a farm in Styal, Cheshire on a Manchester page is not appropriate. However, other users keep claiming the finds were found in Manchester, which they weren't. Hstudent (talk) 12:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Manchester Airport
Someone removed a number of references that I added on Friday and I've just had to spend 30 minutes putting them back. I don't know if was you who removed them but you put that you've reverted a few edits and gave no reason why. If it was you please be more careful Sheliaval (talk) 10:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Reverting with a summary that says "see talk" while not entering discussion on the talkpage
..as you did to the article Yorkshire, is considered a form of trolling. However, if you wish to go on the talkpage and express your stance with cited sources under the "Introduction (again)" section, you're welcome. Otherwise your edit is good for the reverting, "as per talk", thanks. - Yorkshirian (talk) 11:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Since MRSC presented his rationale, his claim on the point on governance has been disproven undoubtedly with a reply. That is the whole point. If you can't be bothered to enter a discuss in that section, then don't revert by saying "as per talk". I'm well aware of the 3RR thank you, are you aware of WP:TROLL? Certainly what such an action appears to be. And you've yet to reply on the talk, I'm waiting for your "in depth" explination. You're supposed to write a message on the talkpage, before you troll an edit an say "see talk". Thanks. - Yorkshirian (talk) 11:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I will be writing a report on your actions of following me to articles and intentionally trolling my edits, as you have done numerous times. Have you not learned how to act correct since last time, son? Do you really not have anything better to do than attempt to antagonise me? Do not make changed which you cannot back up with a source. Thank you.


 * Oh I only just caught the "and a Lancastrian" part, I don't know whether to laugh or what. Lancastrian is an abusive discriptive word now?? - Yorkshirian (talk) 12:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

No mix up
Thanks for your concern.I addressed the message that you referred to to Yorkshirian. I was unhappy that he appeared to quote me on the Yorkshire talk page on statements that I did not make, then accuse me of POV edits.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 12:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Apropos of absolutely nothing
I think one problem that Wikipedia may be experiencing at the moment is that the improvement of articles is being used as an "examination project" or course work. Without a knowledge of the editing process, the students run into multiple issues. My feeling is that some feel unable to accept improvements to their edits by others as they see this as "backing down" - not easy for people of certain dispositions. Examiners or tutors may fail to see the process rather than the product as being worthy. Obviously we are all aiming for a good product and the academic skills involved are important but the co-operation and discussion skills are also laudable. Just a comment from a retired "Mr Chips"--Harkey Lodger (talk) 13:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Dmcm2008
Hi, I've just left Dmcm2008 a quick message about citations and things. I don't think there's any reason why you two can't collaborate on articles. I'm pretty interested in improving Liverpool and it's related articles and i see you helped work on Manchester which is a hell of an article now. I think if you adopt a more user:talk approach with Dmcm2008 you'll get things done better. I'm sure both of you have good ideas to contribute. I don't mean to sound like a dick but it's much easier to explain to someone exactly what they've done wrong rather than revert and watch them make the same mistake again. Any problems/ideas/general chat about stuff drop me a message on my talk page. Cheers! (oh and excellent work on Peterloo, i read that article about five months back but it's much better now!)Sillyfolkboy (talk) 13:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh wasn't sure how things turned out and was interested in working on the article. Good stuff and thanks anyway! Sillyfolkboy (talk) 23:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Re. Infobox_UK_place
Hi,

Re. our discussion last week, have you noticed the comment about the the Isle of Man articles not working? I don't know if it's due to the changes you made or not, but e.g. Douglas, Isle of Man the section on ambulance in the infobox is corrupted.

Just wanted to mention it in case you'd missed it. Cheers,

Chzz (talk) 19:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

-now been fixed by Warofdreams, no worries Chzz (talk) 02:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Revert
Sorry I have been up most of the night and am extreamly tired. Thats why. Sorry about that. Christopher140691 (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Re Rochdale Media
Jaz, Wikipedia policy says: "If you do write an article on an area in which you are personally involved, be sure to write in a neutral tone and cite reliable, third-party published sources, and beware of unintentional bias."

I am a well respected journalist who co-owns a major media outlet in Rochdale, I am perfectly capable of authoring a piece without bias. I also cited both reliable sources. Moreover, your suggestion of promotion is also inaccurate, if that were so why would I write about the main competitior to Rochdale Online, the Rochdale Observer?

It would also have been simplicity itself to hide my identity, that I chose not to do does not however give you the right to name me without my permission.

Who are you and what connection do you have with Rochdale? Please explain to me what gives you the right to appoint yourself the sole arbiter of what is of interest about Rochdale? MSJ1958 (talk) 03:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It doesn't appear the user in question is likely to ever grasp the rules of wikipedia with regards to notability and external links. Constant reverting will solve nothing so we really need to take this further! ┌ Joshii ┐└ chat ┘ 03:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He has now been blocked for 24 hours due to a request at WP:3RR so we have a day to try and work out what to do! ┌ Joshii ┐└ chat ┘ 06:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He has just been blocked again as User:RochdaleMan, very original username huh? He's one to keep watching out for. ┌ Joshii ┐└ chat ┘ 06:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, what worries me is that he says Rochdale is not a town anymore and just a district in the borough, as is Milnrow, Heywood etc. Someone who thinks they are passionate about Rochdale should at least know some basic geography. ┌ Joshii ┐└ chat ┘ 19:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Curious
What do you make of this? MRSC • Talk


 * More concering, Yorkshirian is making some very serious claims about you here and here. They appear to relate to votes you are accused of falsifying in 2004, based on an AFD in 2007 (Articles_for_deletion/Ceremonial_county_of_Durham) To my recollection you were not editing in 2004? or capable of time travel. Futhermore the vote was actually tallied by User:Morwen. I have commented on his talk page, but have no reply as yet. I really want to assume good faith and beleive this is a misunderstanding, but I'm not sure how one could conclude this given the lack of evidence for his stance. MRSC • Talk 20:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

About a source
Jza, you have said this source is not working and removed it from an article, however it works perfectly fine for me, this is the screen shot Image:Screenshotsaddle.png. It is an article originally taken from a publication in the "Guardian Unlimited" and was published on "9/23/2004". So I'm going to re-add it as a source to the articles Yorkshire and Saddleworth White Rose Society, thanks. - Yorkshirian (talk) 04:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I apologise for the mistake made in relation to WP:PLACE talk however since that vote is from 2004 when Wikipedia was not as established as it is now, I also do think a modern, new count should take place to give a better depiction of community opinion. Thanks. - Yorkshirian (talk) 17:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

UK article/ireland name issue
Hi, so what's the story? You haven't addressed any of the issues that I raised on my last point on the talk page. Either you've accepted what I'm saying (unlikely from what you've said earlier) or you're ignoring it. I've given a good half dozen reasons why the name Ireland is more appropriate in this crcumstance. If you could acknowledge them it would benefit the article in trying to improve it accuracy.Thanks. Wik ip Éire   ♣ 14:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for the compliment. --Jack forbes (talk) 00:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Chase
I wonder if Enfield Chase is related? I will have a dig around when I have moment. MRSC • Talk 10:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for butting in: my understanding is that a forest in medieval times was an area of woodland which had various officials and laws governing and managing it. A chase was usually a smaller area of forest, and reserved mainly for hunting. The problem is that I've inferred that from reading various sources about medieval forest management in Cheshire, and from various other sites dotted around the web, and it could also mean an area of common land over which various nobles have rights to hunt. What is needed is a dictionary of various official and semi-official terms used in medieval, earlier and later times, in which one might expect to find forest, chase (as in Cannock Chase, and all the other chases as areas of lands one sees doted around the UK. See here for some information, including the sentences: "In 1228 Henry III was compelled by want of funds to grant Charters of 		Disafforestation, whereby several extensive tracts of land, hitherto within  		the original forest bounds, were converted into common land, or land held  		in common by the various inhabitants of the parishes affected. The old Kingswood  		Forest was thereby reduced in status to that of a Royal Chase and its size  		cut down to some 4500 acres which extended some 6 miles north east of Bristol  		and covered the present day St.George, Upper and Lower Easton, Bitton, Hanham,  		Oldland and Brislington, together with parts of Stapleton and Mangotsfield  		parishes." It may help focus more targetted searches, I guess.   DDStretch    (talk)  10:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * These sources also support this view although it is all implicit rather than a nice bold difinitive statement. MRSC • Talk 10:56, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The wiki entry for Chase contains the sady unreferenced definition: "Chase, a geographical term (usually British) designating an area of privately-owned land for hunting, for example Cannock Chase". It just shows to me again the necessaity of insisting on citations and references at the point at which information is added.  DDStretch    (talk)  10:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Horwich is described as starting as a Hunting Chase for Manchester Barons. I have copies of both books cited, so I can see what they say if that helps. Paypwip (talk) 15:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That might be useful. (Cranborne Chase in Dorset is another example which also states that it is an area of land given over to hunting). I will shortly be getting a copy of "A Dictionary of Medieval Terms and Phrases" (2007) by Christopher Coredon and Ann Williams isbn=184384138X), and this may well shed some light on the matter as well.   DDStretch    (talk)  15:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This (re Enfield Chase) says : A chase was, like a forest, uninclosed, and only defined by metes and bounds; but it could be held by a subject. Offences committed therein were, as a rule, punishable by the common law and not by forest jurisdiction. Lozleader (talk) 16:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Even better  "A forest... is an extensive territory of uncultivated ground maintained for wild beasts and fowls of forest, chase, and warren, the meers or boundaries of which are fixed, and known by matter of record or prescription, and to which are attached particular officers and laws. The latter clause is essential to make a forest, without it such a territory would be a chace only. The so-called deer forests now existing in Scotland are properly speaking chaces; and on the other hand Cannock Chase in Staffordshire was a Royal forest."

Interesting extract, although dating from 1884 the scholarship might not be up to scratch by today's standards. Lozleader (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, how about this? Paypwip (talk) 18:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * WOW! So many of you to thank! That's amazing! I might even put an article together! Great work guys, --Jza84 | Talk  22:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

SVG request
Can you check your request on the graphics lab and see if it is done well enough? If so, it should be marked resolved. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 16:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Laughton infobox
I noticed you amended my newly created infobox on Laughton, East Sussex. As that was just one of the hundred I am currently updating I think I better agree my criteria with you before I continue.

I agree with the Postcode and "Boxing the Compass" change, its the official_name parameter that I disagree with.

Myself and another editor are having a drive on Sussex stubs by merging one line village articles into a larger parish based article, based on guidelines at WikiProject UK geography. This means that the Laughton article is about the wider ranging Parish of Laughton and not just Laughton village. To emphasise that, I used Laughton Civil Parish as the official name. In addition, the population and area statistics relate to the Parish and not just the village. I have done this on quite a few places now!

(Whilst writing this I noticed you just left me a message as well)

MortimerCat (talk) 11:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to be pedantic, Ordnance Survey Explorer series of maps shows the parish boundaries and prints the parish name with a CP suffix. But as you said, it should be standardised, and reverting the ones I have done will be easier than changing the whole of England. ++ MortimerCat (talk) 12:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!
I appreciate it a lot!--Esprit de corps (talk) 18:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I second this Thanks!--Watford147 (talk) 12:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the warm welcome!
Jza84,

Thank you for your welcome message! I got it so quickly I wondered if it was automatically generated.

It contained a lot of good advice on how to edit, like, "be sure to fill in the summaries." I am a relatively new editor, but, I tried very hard to do all of the things that you suggested correctly, even before you suggested them. So, please let me know if I made a mistake in one of the areas you mentioned. That information will help me do better in the future. Otherwise, as far as I know, I'm doing fine so far.

Your welcome message came within 30 minutes of the first time I contributed to a Wikipedia "talk" page. (It was the "talk" page for the editors of "Internet TV" article.)

So you live in Manchester, Yorkshire, UK!

Though I've never been to Manchester, it is dear to my heart because of Manchester United. I can't say I'm a devoted fan because I spend all of my free time working (at MITRE) or studying mathematics and network security and a wide range of area in between. I'm 61 and will be retiring soon from the MITRE corporation where I am a Technical Lead for the Network Security Group in the Communications and Networking Department.

Are you a United fan?

One of my office mates used to play for them as a teenager - Scott Musmann. He's American, originally, but spent most of this teenage years in Manchester. Probably they have a junior league or something. Scott moved back to the US when he got married 15 years ago. (He's about 40 now.)

(I live in Fairfax, Virginia, USA.)

The main thing that motivates me to contribute to Wikipedia is that sometimes the text in the articles is garbled and it makes me feel like I am "doing my part" by applying a little word-smithing here and there.

Or sometimes, I will do extensive research to lock down some little elementary point that is not mentioned in an article. If I am really sure that I've got the "correct" answer, I like to share it with others.

That only happened once so far that I can remember. I did not know if the "p-adic numbers" were the same thing as the "l-adic numbers." (They are.) This is a crucial point for someone (like me) who is trying to work through the literature explaing Andreww Wiles proof of Fermat's Last Theorem. I added the following paragraph in the Wikipedia article's introductory section on p-adic numbers last year in an attempt to explain this. The article goes on to talk about 2-adic numbers, etc., so the explanation fits into the flow of the article.

"The p in p-adic is a dummy variable. Advanced articles in number theory often speak of the l-adic numbers without explanation. The l-adic numbers are the same thing as the p-adic numbers; the l is used to not conflict with other uses of p."

I get so much out of Wikipedia, I like to give a little bit back once in a while.

I'm 61, about to retire, and I have 4 grown and married children, and 6 grand children.

Oh, and "all of my free time" does not count my church work because I don't count that as "free" time. That is my vocation. My job at MITRE is my profession. I take it seriously and I loved it, but, it is still "just a job." And, it doesn't count my "family time." That belongs to me and my family jointly, not just to me. Technically, my time at MITRE belongs to MITRE, not me, but they give mew so much freedom to do what I want that it feels like it belongs to me. And I love it.

Cheers,

DeaconJohnFairfax (talk) 19:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: UK cities
I only "reverted" twice and I didn't even do a third one. You shouldn't be telling me about this until I do a third revert. Secondly, I already said that I was going to use Manchester in it, and that wasn't a revert, it was an edit. I already ended the war and you don't need to be testy with me because we have two different opinions. &mdash; Nuclear  Vacuum  14:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I already told you that I made an agreement with it. As long as you keep two images on the template, I will agree to have the second city be Manchester. &mdash;  Nuclear  Vacuum  14:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

OR?
I'm puzzled as to why you think the stuff you removed here was a novel synthesis. It doesn't seem at all novel. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:25, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Cornwood
The infobox appears as coding. Can you please fix it? The Vandal Warrior (talk) 17:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! The Vandal Warrior (talk) 17:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Wales
Yes, I spotted the authority and it supports Country, however my impression is that the facts are less important than multiple political agendas in these discussions! --Snowded (talk) 22:33, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Chase (land)
Hi - I've just removed UK-geo-stub from Chase (land) for a second time - please do not re-add it! Country-specific geo-stubs are for specific locations within countries: towns, rivers, hills, etc. Something like River Exe or Dorset might, for instance, be a UJK-geo-stub. They are not for terminology used in the geographical naming of types of places within countries (which get geo-term-stub or topography-stub instead, as is the case with Dewey (hill), for instance). Grutness...wha?  01:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. There is a note of sorts about it at the top of, and most of the country-geo-stub templates do say "this is for specific locations in..." or similar, but you're right, it's not exactly broadcast loudly :) Grutness...wha?  03:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Lieutenancy areas map
Yes I could do a labelled map - I would appreciate it if you could provide the underlying graphic (i.e. outlined lieutenancy areas, similar to the Ceremonial Counties one as I am not great at creating graphics).

Let me know when you've got the map and I'll stick the labels on.

Thanks. Java13690 (talk) 09:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to let you know I have done England and Wales on the lieutenancy areas map- you can see the work in progess at Template:Lieutenancy Areas of the United Kingdom. By the way, I use a Java tool called Labelled Image Editor by Jimmy Chin. Java13690 (talk) 16:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi there, I have finished the labels and tried to rectify the shifting to the NW problem. This seems to occur slightly each time I use the "Show preview" button as I added things. However, they are as near as I can get them now. Hope this is what you were after. Java13690 (talk) 17:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry about those two mistakes - I forgot to put Renfrewshire on and accidentally put Fife on twice instead of Glasgow. Should be fixed now. See you round! Java13690 (talk) 18:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

British Isles
Hello Jza84. Assuming that the anon editor, (who tends to be under the IP adress 86. etc) is the same editor. I think he/she has gotten out of hand, with his/her latest uncivil comment towards the people of the United Kingdom. GoodDay (talk) 20:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In otherwords, don't feed the troll; understood. GoodDay (talk) 20:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Adminship
I replied on my talk page, but I thought I'd expand on yours.

I think that if the world was run fairly then you would have no problems at all in becoming an administrator, and deservedly so. You're a dedicated wikipedian who's done more than many ever will. I can't speak for Ddstretch's reservations about RfA, but for my myself I found the vindictiveness of the process to be shocking. You have to be prepared for anyone and his aunt you've had a disagreement with in the preceeding three millenia to come crawling out of the woodwork and oppose, just because they can.

If you feel that the time is right for you now, then go for it, I'll certainly be strong supporter. My only worry though is that if doesn't go the right way, then you may be discouraged by it. I didn't think that I'd be that bothered one way or another at the start of my own RfA, but as the opposes started to come in I began to feel differently, that my contributions to wikipedia were not valued, and so on, and I almost left the project as a result. I'd hate for the same thing to happen to you. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

User:86.42.90.145
I see you've reverted two of this anonymous user's edits:,. Please don't take this as criticism: it isn't intended as such, andI find that IP's contributions thoroughly unhelpful. But I would be interested to know the justification for removing his/her comments. I did wonder whether this IP was in fact this chap, but it seems the IP is outside of his usual range. — ras52 (talk) 00:21, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

No discussion without mediation
Your hostile acts to my edits in the past does not leave me with much trust in your motives. You have hawked over my edits specifically because you do not like them. So I will not discuss anything without mediation. ♦Drachenfyre♦ · Talk 11:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You win, its yours, you have driven me away from wikipedia.

Wales
Hello Jz, I thought I would let you know there is a vote in progress at the Wales talk page on whether to keep Constituent country or change to Country. --Jack forbes (talk) 20:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Mentoring
Thank you very much for coming on board. I have been less than active for the last few days but will be looking to do some work within this process tomorrow. Again, thank you! I'll also drop you an e-mail regarding the privacy matter. Pedro : Chat  20:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Bullying
It might be two harsh a word and I will admit to being irritated by your comments on the BI page about my taking a point of view and delivering an uncalled for and slightly patronising lecture. (but I have not demanded an apology). However the direct issue here is to support Drachenfyre, I think he is working hard to produce a valuable article (as he did on Wales). I realise you have a passion about the geography pages, and standards, but I think you went too far this time in a couple of RVs. Discussing things before imposing is important and would help us keep valuable editors. Having a bit of flexibility on formatting would also help. If someone took the use of Bully to mean that you were deliberately being nasty then I freely offer an apology. However I think the effect of imposing standards is to give people the impression that they are being bullied and some corrective action would help. --Snowded (talk) 22:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Map
Hi again, just wondered if it would be possible for you to produce one of the pink maps for the wards of Kingston upon Hull you can probably get the data from this map unless you need something more detailed. Thanks. Keith D (talk) 22:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) Yes that style would be perfect for showing them. Probably have to label or number them to show which is which. Thanks. Keith D (talk) 22:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Right I will leave you to it. The label editor looks interesting, I will have to work out how to produce the maps first though. Keith D (talk) 23:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a prod to see how you are getting on. I have another more complicated one in the pipeline. Keith D (talk) 10:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Another prod! Keith D (talk) 11:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for update, I will be away for a break myself from Thursday, hope the weather lasts! Keith D (talk) 17:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

What do you think?
 Keeper76 would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Keeper76 to accept or decline the nomination. A page for your nomination at Requests for adminship/ . If you accept the nomination, you must state and sign your acceptance. You may also choose to make a statement and/or answer the optional questions to supplement the information your nominator has given. Once you are satisfied with the page, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.
 * Co-nomination from myself, if you wish. Pedro : Chat  22:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I wish, personally. And if Jza84 is as smart as I've determined he is, he'll wish too :-) I've added my nom.   Keeper   |   76   |  Disclaimer  23:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent answers! Solidifies my nomination. Now, you have a choice. I strongly recommend that you wait for Pedro to co-nom, since he offered.  If Pedro disappears for some reason in the next 24 hours, go ahead and transclude the Rfa without him if you so choose. (Ask me if you need help doing this).  I'm looking forward to it!  Hopefully, it'll stir Malleus out of his own "when hell freezes over" attitude. :-)    Keeper   |   76   |  Disclaimer  23:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd echo what Keeper said, don't transclude until Pedro's had an opportunity to add his co-nom. For myself, I'd still rather stick pins in my eyes than go through it again, so I'll be rooting for you, and I'm sure that a lot of others will as well. One thing I did learn from my own was to take what encouragement you can from the supports, learn whatever you can from the opposition, but don't take either too seriously. At the end of the day it's just a web site. Good luck! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd just like to add my late comments (early nights and parent duties during SATs week have kept me occupied): I'd echo what all others have said in support of your nomination, and I'll certainly be giving it my strong support. The process is strange (that's the most neutral way I could describe it), and you'll get many people you have disagreed with popping up to say you are unsuitable in many ways. Ignore them: having disagreements is an automatic consequence of being a large contributor or good quality to many varied articles mostly dealing with UK Geography. In every case, you have been civil and reasonable in the debates sometimes under great provocation. My concerns match the others that have been voiced: that you may lessen the amount of your contributions, and that the experience of the process may be demotivating in the extreme. You have some good administrators nominating you (ones wo I have a great respect and time for), and I'm sure you will find out that a lot of people support you who you may not have realised would. Concentrate on that information rather than the quibbles and bickering from people who will oppose just because you disagreed with them at some point. Good luck.  DDStretch    (talk)  06:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Nomination added. Please feel free to transclude, or ask Keeper or myself. I'll be online today until about 15:00 Wikipedia time and then back a bit later this evening. Pedro : Chat  07:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm disappointed no-one waited, but I supported nevertheless. Rudget   (Help?) 15:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the recent mention in that answer. Heartfelt and sincere, it appealed to my deepest emotions :) Rudget   (Help?) 18:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Murrays' Mills
Hi, Pit-yacker and I have a request to make. If you're not too busy, could you draw up a plan for the Murrays' Mills article. I'd do it myself, but the only image editing software my otherwise adequate laptop has is paint, which is downright aweful. The is non-fair use and is currently preventing the article from reaching GA. Thanks if you can, never mind if you've got better things to do :-) Nev1 (talk) 22:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd noticed your nomination, you've been in a few scapes with fellow editors but from what I've seen you've always remained civil so I reckon you should do fine on that front. As soon as I see if you've accepted, I'll be adding my support :-) I'm afraid the only plan I have is this one (the one I gave you a link of) but it is quite big and gives the page of the book it came from. It was actually the best plan I could find in the book. I was thinking that it could be greatly simplified, for example just outline the mills, the roads, and the canal basin; I don't think there's any need to add such detail as the stairs, chineys, or the columns inside the buildings. Pit-yacker may have another plan to hand, I'll as him for you. Nev1 (talk) 23:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think something like that would be good, but to be honest I can't be sure until it's done. I think it would only have the most immediate raods though rather than the greater context given for Peterloo. The purpose of that was to show its position, the aim here is to show the positions of the different mills relative to each other, something which isn't easily done in prose as I found out when trying to think of a way to explain the layout of the complex in the article.
 * As for your RFA, I can see some potential pitfalls if you get promoted: reduced article building from you as you get involved in admin work, much like Rudget. It's something you've proven again and again you're good at. It might actually be good for WP:GM if you get turned down. All the same, I think you'd make a fine admin and I think you're going into it with the right attitude. Nev1 (talk) 00:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's worrying me too. I'm thinking that I may have to oppose, for the sake of the project. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi There! "Cotton Mills in Greater Manchester" by Williams and Farnie does have an alternative diagram/map. Unfortunately, my computer is misbehaving at the moment and I cant get the scanner to work (along with a number of other things).  From "A&G Murray and the cotton mills of Ancoats", the complex does also appear to be marked clearly on some old OS maps. Pit-yacker (talk) 21:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Again! As a second thought, not sure whether source material for maps has to be free, but the regeneration of the complex has generated quite a number of planning applications to the associated site with maps e.g. (although the three mills across Bengal St are missing)

- see also the city council's online planning system Pit-yacker (talk) 22:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi! I have uploaded some plans of the complex here Pit-yacker (talk) 13:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Have you got anywhere on the site plan yet? Pit-yacker (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Adoption
Hello, C.harrison1988 (talk) 07:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC) here. I've looked at your user page and generally agree with your views (dovolution, against nationalism, radical equality, green politics). Am interested in editing similar areas to you although I live in London and have much more understanding of South West geography and history (grew up in Devon). Please look at my userpage and consider 'adopting' me.


 * That would be great if you could set up a page for discussion. I often have questions and it would be good to have them answered in a personal way rather than searching the help topics endlessly for inpersonal answers. When you set up that page I already have a question waiting for it! C.harrison1988 (talk) 10:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

You Northeners....
..... football obsessed! Still, at least you do have some of the best stadiums in the country. And us southerners get St Mary's Stadium .... joy.... ! On another note - are you transcluding this morning? Pedro : Chat  09:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool! Added support and updated end time. Keep an eye on it as questions offer crop up in th efirst few hours. Pedro : Chat  09:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Your RFA
Best of luck for your RFA --  TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) - 10:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Luck
Best of luck to your team tonight (the leagues another matter):>. --Jack forbes (talk) 10:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

You should take yourself along to one of the tents set up for Rangers supporters. I know a number of supporters going down without tickets and it sounds as though it will be a blast! I know you have other things on your mind but you've got to prioritise. --Jack forbes (talk) 11:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Last time I was in Manchester was for the Lou Mcarrie testamonial, a good few years ago. I remember the night life was great, the only place I remember was rotters, the rest is pretty hazy. --Jack forbes (talk) 11:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Believe me, I was tempted, but I'm too good natured for that.:) --Jack forbes (talk) 22:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

PS, Glad you did'nt take my advice, sounds pretty nasty. --Jack forbes (talk) 22:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

PPS, should have said before, good luck with your RFA. --Jack forbes (talk) 22:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Tallying RFA
Do you think you should leave Tallying of your RFA to others ? It might not well go with many others if the candidate himself does it. Just a suggestion. Btw I am happy to do this regularly for you also :D .... Best of luck.... I guess you have a very good chance of winning your RFA. Best of luck again. --  TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) - 02:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: Oxford
Hi

I would like you to help me on the article. Oxford is an important city with a lot of history and the wiki page needs to be improved a lot. I can only do so much by myself.

If you have any free time, please help me with this page.

Thanks, --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 12:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cheshire
Hi Jza84. There's a question relating to one of your maps here. Best, Neıl ☎  14:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Support
No worries. Glad it's going smoothly. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Best, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 14:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Shropshire
Hey, thanks for your interest. Well for some reason they removed the proposal from the page, i'm unsure as to why. In the end the proposal managed to get three support votes, but alas I have been short of time to implement anything. Exams and other commitments make it somewhat impossible right now, but I will endeavour to implement it in a couple months if the other two editors are still interested. What do you think? Is three people enough? Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk ) 17:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Commonwealth realms
In the members section we now have a section dedicated to the status of members. When your Rfa has passed (which it most probably will now!) would you mind if your status is changed to admin? It's just that way if anybody comes to the WikiProject and they specifically need help from an admin they can contact you! Good luck anyway for your Rfa! Regards, --Cameron (t|p|c) 19:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that is wonderful. That way we have an internal sysop, and don't need to bother anyone from outside the WP. I didn't foresee any problems in your Rfa. You will make a marvellous admin. Although I did see Yorkshirian's comments coming! As a matter of fact I am taking part in admin coaching here too, with the prospect of becoming an admin someday. All the best, --Cameron (t|p|c) 19:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You flatter me! You know fully well that you are the more experienced (a simple comparison of the edit counts reveals that much). I appreciate the compliment nonetheless = ). How does one go about 'getting an FA under one's belt'? --Cameron (t|p|c) 19:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Bloody hard work and as many helpful coeditors you can muster is the answer I think. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not Canadian. I'm a Briton of Anglo-Germano-Scottish descent. My name bears witness to the latter ancestry = ). --Cameron (t|p|c) 12:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Templates of cities
What do you mean? Can you please clarify what you are trying to say? &mdash; Nuclear  Vacuum  00:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That works with me. I am all for working together and coming to a positive and all out agreement.  Secondly, your argument is now shocking me.  I had no idea about any of there WPs and I feel very ashamed.  Can you please forgive me?  And how would you look to getting a central discussion board on this?  I would defiantly like a part in the hope for some standards and cooperation among all users who like to work on there templates. &mdash;  Nuclear  Vacuum  00:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, the CAT's talk page works good for this. And I am still getting used to Wikipedia.  I am not very good with arguing (I failed debate class all together), so I am the type of person to stay away from talk pages.  But when I do deside to go on one, I feel very rude and unhappy with others.  I am glad that you don't think bad of me.


 * Though I will try to make some headway on this discussion in the future, I believe that me doing less may actually be more supportive and possibly even positive for my ideals. But I will do whatever I can to help you out with this. &mdash;  Nuclear  Vacuum  00:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

My Rfa !vote
I have fixed it now; It was meant to be a neutral! I probably wrote support as I have supported such a lot recently (the candidates have been reall good!). It's nice to see how active you are now in the Rfa area! We can do with !voters like you! = ) --Cameron (t|p|c) 11:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you mind reverting a few edits for me? The page in question is Doctor (Doctor Who). I don't want to use rollback as it isn't blatant vandalism. I have warned the user on their talk page already. Thanks --Cameron (t|p|c) 12:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

If you do that, you are acting as a meat puppet and is a blockable offensive - it would be seen as an attempt to get around 3rr. I'd suggest you do not do that. --87.112.82.25 (talk) 13:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I should have paid better attention while reading WP:MEAT. The page has been protected now so he has to take part in the discussions. = ) Thanks anyway, --Cameron (t|p|c) 20:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

An apology ;-)
Obviously I need to apologise to you for my extremely rude and uncivil comment here. Talk about dredging the bottom of the barrel! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 15:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Pictish battle
Aye, the battle is between the Picts and the Britons. Annales Cambriae here and here (sub anno 750). Also mentioned in some of the Irish annals, AT 750.4 and AU 750.4 (trans). Irish source calls it Catohic and Welsh one mocetauc(variants like Metgadawc). Skene thought it refered to Mugdoch on the edge of Lennox (where the park is), so that's probably why it's been linked with Strathblane. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 19:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks, but most of the credit you should be giving to Alan Orr Anderson. ;) Best, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 20:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Thanks
No problem, that guy was a real pain! :) —— Ryan   |   t   •   c   01:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

British bizzare
It was indeed an odd few minutes. All dealt with very quickly though it would seem. Pity really that someone reacts in such a way rather than trying to discuss is maturely. But Wayne Rooney and Vinnie Jones replacing Gordon Brown and Nelson!! "wow" indeed! ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 01:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

My Recent Rfa
I would just like to say thanks for the neutral vote in my recent RFA. I will still say thanks as from your comments and the other users comments that opposed me and gave me a neutral vote have made me make a todo list for before my next RFA. I hope I will have resolved all of the issues before then and I hope that you would be able to support me in the future. If you would like to reply to this message or have any more suggestions for me then please message me on my talk page as I will not be checking back here. Thanks again.  ·Add§hore·  T alk /C ont 16:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on becoming an admin
As I am off to bed now and probably won't be awake when it is closed, let me be the first to congratulate you on acquiring the tools! Yes, not closed yet, but as 20-40 + opposes are required in the next few hours ... well ... Celtic have more chance of winning the Champions League! Speaking of which, this might end up becoming an even better day for you later, though I myself am unaligned there. Anyways, I am sure you will use the tools well, and I'm glad for you! All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 05:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I clicked on over to this page with the intention of being the first to congratulate you on what most certainly appears to be a foregone conclusion, but Deacon beat me to it! Regardless, congratulations! --InDeBiz1 Review me! / Talk to me! 06:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Who? What? When? How did I miss all this? Damnit, I'd have voted for you! Really sorry that I haven't but may I say a belated congratulations too! Very well deserved! Peteb16 (talk) 06:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A mere 95% ... there's always someone ... congrats. Kbthompson (talk) 09:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Beat The 'Crat Congrats
Well, without wanting to jinx it, with a couple of hours left it seems all good :) Please feel free to hit me up if you need any help with the bright shiny new buttons. Pedro : Chat  08:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

spoken article for Neilston
My apologies for not responding to you earlier, I'm afraid I've been through a period of significant disillusionment around Wikipedia and not really been doing much. Many thanks for your comments on the audio track on the RoS article.

I will take some time to record the Neilston article, although it's likely to take me a little bit of time. I've just read through it at a presentational pace and I'll probably need to record it in chunks, then stitch them together before uploading. I expect that you've picked up my reasonably local accent, although I've lived in the South of England for nearly 20 years.

Best regards

ALR (talk) 09:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Your RFA
Congratulations, I'm pleased to let you know that I've closed your RfA as successful, and you're now an administrator! May I suggest you visit the New admin school to get a few ideas on the best way to start using your shiny new buttons? If in doubt, feel free to give me a shout! Well done and all the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 09:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, Mr Admin --  TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) - 10:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, use the tools wisely. Keith D (talk) 10:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well done old bean! I have taken the liberty of updating your status on WP:CWR and have posted a quick note its talk page. --Cameron (T|C) 11:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving a note on my page. Wish you all the success in the future. --  TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) - 11:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations sorry I missed the nom. Thats a great user page you have. I'm afraid mine is rather less organized!!!! Well done on those FA's too!!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 12:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on managing to get through the RfA and becoming an administrator. I accept what you say about the perception of others being that you may sometimes be too robust in debate, but I think you should consider very carefully the context in which those editors made the comments. I do not think wikipedia would be well served at all if hard and robust debate (which can be done well within the bounds of civility) became used less, just because some editors confuse robustness in debate, or disagreements over substantive matters with someone being uncivil. In truth, the robustness in discussions one sees on wikipedia is not really at the level of normal academic debate that I certainly experience, and from my own actual experience, it is from academic bases that many hard-copy encyclopaedias of note have been produced. I believe that the necessary critical thinking and pulling apart of arguments that is (or at least was) prevalent in academic debate led to the raising of standards in encyclopaedias, by rooting out incorrect interpretations, or poor quality arguments used in the text of the books, and so one should be wary of abandoning this rigorous approach because of the implications it might have for standards on wikipedia. Still, I am sure you will be successful and I hope to continue to work well with you in the future. Once again, congratulations. DDStretch   (talk)  12:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Once again I think that Ddstretch has got it spot on; you got through your RfA just the way you are. The thought of you turning into another wikiclone administrator is, to say the least, quite alarming. ;-) Congratulations! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 12:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If I had known, you were up for Administrator? I'd have supported you. Anyways, congradulations Jza84. GoodDay (talk) 13:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Belated congrats from me too, Jza84. Glad I was in the right place at the right time to sneak a nom in there for you.  We'll likely not cross paths often but I'm glad I was able to do a small part in helping push you over the edge into that hellish arena called RfA.  Much deserved "promotion"  Couldn't have gone better, in my opinion.  Best of luck to you in your wiki-endeavors, now get back to work.  If I see you loitering around ANI, and AIV, I'll be severely disappointed.  You are a content admin, much needed, and much heralded.  Again, congrats - good show!   Keeper   |   76   |  Disclaimer  18:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, congratulations. I'm very pleased to see you were finally persuaded to become an admin - it's not so bad! Warofdreams talk 19:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! I'm surprised you wasn't made one earlier! - Erebus555 (talk) 20:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! You deserve it for all your hard work during your time here. ┌ Joshii ┐└ chat ┘ 16:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was going to say "seconded", but maybe "twentiethed" would be more appropriate now, looking at the number of comments above! :) Well done; it's fully deserved. Hassocks</b> 5489 (tickets please!)  12:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Congrats! --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 11:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So, you couldn't resist the pull of the dark side, huh? Damn, what are we going to do for high-quality maps now? If User:Barryob goes admin as well, I'm going to have to use a really sharp crayon. Many congrats: well deserved, I'd say. Kind regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 19:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Exercising new powers so soon?
I knew it wouldn't take you long to exercise your new powers. Without any consultation you've made an uninateral decision to protect WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements. Cwb61 (talk)  22:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't believe my comments are provocative. I was simply stating to you my thoughts. While talking of the issue, how about "no reason to change protection without discussion"? Cwb61  (talk)  22:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I am sorry to upset you. The Edit summary's wording "No reason to change content without discussion [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed]" was misleading and gave me the idea that no-one could edit the page. I was too hasty to criticise and should have asked about the protection in a more polite manner. Knowing its semi-protected (i.e. only registered users can edit it), I have no problem with that. I apologise for upsetting you. Cwb61 (talk)  23:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

EH and NT infoboxes ?
Firstly, may I congratulate you on becoming an admin; it is well deserved. Secondly, I have been looking for EH and/or NT infoboxes. Is there one, please, to your knowledge? Thirdly, if not is the anyone who could make one? The info is all tabulated in the NT and EH handbooks and would be an appropriate addition to many articles. Thanks.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 08:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for butting in, you could look at . I originally did a navigation template for EH and NT properties in London, then combined it into . There's also a more generic that could be bent to purpose. A lot of info in the handbook changes from year to year, better to refer punters to the website for the latest info on access and facilities, but there is base information that could usefully be listed. HTH Kbthompson (talk) 10:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply. I was meaning something like the above rather than the transclusion that appeared on my talk page.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * After much tearing of hair, I made one at Template:Infobox UKproperty It is simple,no bells and whistles, but it does the job that I wanted.--Harkey Lodger (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

User:DaveJP
Thanks for the advice - I thought the racism might justify something faster but fair enough. I will put up a warning. Also (despite our debate on T and E words) man congratulations on becoming an admin - good to see you there --Snowded (talk) 13:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll second that. Congratulations! Jack forbes (talk) 14:00, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:England
Hey there, it seems like the argument over the validity of what can only best be described as the racist rant is not going to go away as another ip user has now started restoring the rant. IMO it has no place on the article, it is not there as a discussion to improve the article and is clearly just trolling, from a blocked user. As I see you are now an Admin perhaps you could have a look at it? Thanks. ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 17:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipiere & socks
And I thought my humour was dry, giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Request
Hey, seeing as your an Admin now, save me going through the whole WP:RM process, can you move the Welsh Bridge (Shrewsbury) article back to Welsh Bridge as someone has made it a disambig page even though there isn't another article called Welsh Bridge! Seemed like a really obvious thing that it should be moved back, but if you think I should still go through the process then that's fine :). Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk ) 20:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, well maybe I'll leave it a bit to see if he creates the article. Although i'm not entirely sure on policy, when there's a name which only links to two articles, don't you give the primary one the page and have a seealso link at the top? Not convinced that there's much need of a disambig page, even if the Iowa bridge turns out to be more notable. Although, slightly off topic, I'm somewhat annoyed that the user didn't fix any of the links when he moved the page. I'll leave him a message. Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk ) 12:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

uefa cup 2008
your piece on the uefa cup riots is a work of fiction. i was there, if you would like to put even a hint of balance in the article may i suggest you let me put my personal recollection of events that day on your shockingly unbalanced page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Araw23 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place to host your diary. ┌ Joshii ┐└ chat ┘ 23:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Scotland
Hello Jza84. Jumpin' Junipters, Talk:Scotland is getting to be not a nice place to raise old consistancy concerns. What a bunch of grouches over there. GoodDay (talk)

hey
hey matey,

thanks for the message you left on my talk page.

how do i get back the stuff that was on it and how could i make a page such as yours?

If you could help me i would be most greatful :D

Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuffcutshears (talk • contribs) 03:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Eh sorry
Apologies no idea how this happened -- Barryob   (Contribs)   (Talk)  10:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Milnrow
I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a tag in the article on the sttatemeny "Modern sectors in Milnrow include engineering, packaging materials, dyeing and finishing, and ink production." Nev1 (talk) 01:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Greater Liverpool
I had considered to leave a message this afternoon but I have been busy, however I am asking for your advice/suggestion, and you are already aware what I am talking about, the Greater Liverpool page I have set up. I understand there are some breaches ? what I have not a clue. However before anyone deletes it, I had tried to put a balanced view in the article. I am looking to expand this page with citations/references. I know we have been there before over 'suburbs'. For example the Port of Liverpool is in the docks but is based at Seaforth, yet it adopts the name Port of Liverpool. Does that make sense to you ? I had wanted to enhance the article because I remember another users arguement was I had to prove things. This is what I was trying to do. I would be interested in your reply Dmcm2008 (talk) 22:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have given some thought to other users arguements to the greater Liverpool page and also added more to the talk page. I wanted to ask what happens if it is merged with Liverpool Urban Area?Dmcm2008 (talk) 10:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Geography of Greater Manchester
Just wondering why you reverted my addition of Category:Geography of England to the Geography of Greater Manchester article, without leaving either a) an informative edit summary, b) a comment on the article talk page, or c) a message on my talk page? All the other English Geography of ... articles are members of that category, so the GM article should be too. Crispness (talk) 04:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion on the expansion of Wikiproject:Commonwealth realms
There is a discussion going on here about a possible expansion of Wikiproject Commonwealth realms to incorporate all the British Empire topics! Please take the time to comment = ). --Cameron (T|C) 18:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Plymouth infobox
Should Plymouth use its current infobox or the Template:Infobox Settlement? I've seen other cities and unitary authorities across England using t'other. bsrboy (talk) 18:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've made the proposed infobox in my sandbox, so we can compare the differences. I prefer the second (new) one, because it offers more information about Plymouth itself rather that what it is a part of e.g Devon. If there are any problems with the infobox then let me know or change it yourself. When it is ready I will add it to the article. Take as long as you want, there's no hurry. bsrboy (talk) 18:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

British people
Sigh. Not sure how to proceed now with the revert by the registered user now? I have left messages on both the IP user and JaneVannin (same person or not? not sure maybe not?) pointing out the numerous debates on the talk page. Reverting it again though now doesn't seem to be an option. But regardless of who should or should not be included in the images, it looks a mess now as it is. What do you think? ♦Tangerines♦ · Talk 18:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It's OK. See the page now. JaneVannin (talk) 18:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw the edit summary "British people argh", so I thought I'd pop in here to give you a piece of my mind Tangerines, along the lines of "Whaddya mean, argh, what's wrong with British people, ...". But I see that there's no need. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

My Adminship
Hi there! Thanks for the congratulations. I thought you were away when it all went on: Keeper76 nagged me again about being an administrator, and Malleus prodded me to go for it immediately rather than after the middle of August when I will be returning from China, and so I put in for it, went through the ordeal, and came out with few dents (you can see the dicussions from a link on my main page). I was surprised just how meagre the extra tools are, and I'm still finding my way around the fine details of them. However, I have used them a bit already. I want to try to re-organise the parish/civil parish/ecclesiastical parish issues on wikipedia (the England and Wales civil parish infobox has, I think, some problems), but since it will be a big job, involving changes to the infobox, edits to the articles which use the infobox as it now stands, and then probably wholesale renaming of current parish categories to make them unambiguous and have a consistent naming scheme, I think it is best left until after I return from holiday, even though I don't go till mid July. How are things with you? DDStretch   (talk)  10:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Category for greater Liverpool districts
I am eager to do some kind of category to link in the districts that are unofficially part of greater Liverpool but i am looking for approval. The wider Liverpool as on the Rent Office map is different to Urban area & City Region I wanted to do a list like the L Postcode Page that lists all of the districts which are basically those from L1 to L36. Is such a page going to be requested to be deleted within a day or two? Dmcm2008 (talk) 11:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC) I am not as expert as others, so I apologise if my effort here is not good ethics for WP. However as I have said I wanted to link together what might come under the wider Liverpool banner and I have put this as a category:greater Liverpool. I have only put in Aintree but this could be a lot like the L Postcode page listing all those areas. If this is objected to then i will accept this and move on. I just thought my point was not seen so here I am trying to show what I mean. Dmcm2008 (talk) 13:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Constituent country
There has been a long centralized discussion at Talk:United Kingdom, in which it was decided with 83.33% consensus that constituent country would be used to describe England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. However, users at Scotland are saying that they will not accept a consensus made on another page, so I would like to inform you that there is now a similar vote on the Scotland talk page. Cheers -- fone    4    me   20:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

great help!
i had a little look at the link you provided me with and it is a great help. i have already removed the sub-section constituencies in the politics, arts and the media and will add a geography section to the article, in response to the general layouts. other things i'm (still) going to do include: sorting out the info in sport, religion and education adding three/four more pictures. then i'll see if the article is good enough to be upgraded to good article status. Kilnburn (talk) 21:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Just regarding the Scotland article and the whole 'country' debate (I would post there but I think the editors have become a bit abrasive on the issue!), but from reading the 'facts' section at the top of the talk page, why is Scotland described as a 'county' in the intro when there's equal sources given for 'constituent country' and 'nation'? I really don't understand why the editors of that article are allowed to impose their own POV onto the introduction? England, Wales, and Northern Ireland use 'constituent country'; which is a perfectly neutral and accurate word for Scotland's position, and yet it is not implemented? It's just absolutely ridiculous how certain nationalist Scottish editors have pushed 'country' into the introduction and how nobody has properly challenged it. If nothing else neither 'country', 'constituent country' or 'national' should be used, and another less politically-charged word should be used. Sorry for rambling, but you seem to be at grips with the issue, and I just want to know why their's such a problem with the implementation of 'constituent'. Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk ) 19:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response! Well i've already had a look over the debates, and to be honest it all looks like it has been said before! I don't necessarily reject the fact that Scotland is a country, but I don't think it should be one rule for them and one rule for everyone else, so to speak; i.e. why should England not be called a country if Scotland is allowed it? Consistency would be much better, and I think that if Scotland cannot accept the 'constituent county' definition, then England should revert back to country, Wales to simply principality, and NI to province. Essentially, the stubborn editors on the Scotland article are undoing all of the well thought-out and clear discussion at Talk:United Kingdom. Sigh. It is annoying, but I doubt it will be resolved anytime soon! :)


 * An kinda related grime of mine is this discussion here which somewhow created a faux-consensus that the Scottish FM should be placed above the British PM in the list of the infobox. A seemingly trivial matter, but this should surely be undone? The Scottish FM is subservient to the UK PM, unless I am mistaken? So should it not be listed as such. I was going to revert this myself earlier but didn't want to cause a fuss over a trivial thing, but still it should be reverted.


 * Sorry for rambling again! Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 ( talk ) 20:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Murrays Mills
Hi there! Just wondering if you have had time to look at the Murrays' Mills maps yet? Thanks and Regards Pit-yacker (talk) 19:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

uk4ever
Hi Jza84. Thanks for the message. You are very correct, I do indeed have a lot of experience as a Wikipedia editor, but have always resisted the need for a fixed username. I do not recall having denied this at any stage! I do wonder how much "experience" I will need to have mustered before my opinion will be deemed "valid" in your eyes. I will desist from contributing for the time being, though, if you feel it will assist in the common-sense approach users like you and Fone4My are taking in this important discussion with the nationlist POV-pushers. Good luck. -- uk    4    ever   21:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Blackburn
Hi Jaza84. Just wondering whether you'd like to take another look at the Blackburn article at some point. I think it's accurate to say that substantial progress has been made since the GA fail, though I don't think the article is quite ready for another review yet. Most of the recent changes to the article have been made by me, and I'm perhaps a little to closely involved with the article to see it with detached objectivity. I could use some outside input. Beejaypii (talk) 00:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

New Lancashire map incorrectly calibrated
The new version of commons:Image:Lancashire outline map with UK.png you have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons is incompatible with the previous version -- the calibration is all wrong. Locations are appearing two miles or so further south than they ought to on the location maps. --Dr Greg (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Arbitration Request Filed
Hi there. This notice is to inform you that a Request for Arbitration has been filed regarding the ongoing cultural dispute between User:Yorkshirian, yourself and several other editors. The Arbitration Committee will decide on whether this case should be heard and pursued. Thank you. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 20:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, since you seem to be the one most directly affected by this issue at present, I would like to encourage you to enter a statement on the new request at WP:RFAR. The dispute is between you (and the other editors on your side of the RFC) and Yorkshirian, and my role has been primarily to guide you all through WP:DR.  However, having the ArbCom hear the dispute in your words and with diffs from your editing experience will be far more useful to the case. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 21:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Boo
Can you please comment here as me and others have tried removing the hugely excessive number of tags in the opposition section of the article. User:Globaltraveller keeps adding them back and telling me to take it to talk, I have taken it to talk and it seems his stance is "my way or the highway". His userpage says he supports Scottish independence therefore he's obviously a nationalist with an agenda to push. He's pushing it with using as many tags as possible even tagging sourced statements with citation needed. The whole article needs additional references and he is simply picking on the section which he does not agree with. He's now saying that he wants to remove most of the opposition section and give undue weight to the support which will make the article even more biased than it already is. Simply bad-faith edits by a nationalist. Ta! ┌ Joshii ┐└ chat ┘ 09:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jza84
I've recently returned to Wiki and see you are now an admin. Congrats !. Im a little concerned about the user Dmcm2008, i may be casting aspersions but I am concerned that they are working to an agenda (i.e. trying to get Liverpool mentioned in as many north west articles as possible). Their use of the phrase "on the outskirts of Liverpool" when talking about Skelmersdale, which it clearly cannot be described as (see my talk page), raised a 'red flag'. I see from the users talkpage that you had several issues in the past with this user and wanted to know more before I engage in discussion with them. Thanks and hope to work on some artilces again with you soon. Man2 (talk) 15:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

response
As I have responded to Man2 directly I will also respond to you; I am bitterly disappointed by the above users response and I am bitterly disappointed by your acceptance to see this as a problem. I am a willing editor and I will gladly accept any feedback. However I have confronted you before and I will do so again if I have to. I thought we had come to some level ground and I find it difficult to accept this to be the case if you are so willing to see a problem here with this users accusation. It is utter and absoloute nonesense that I am trying to get Liverpool mentioned in as many north west articles as possible and I find that an insult. Forget any agendas; Skelmersdale is on the outskirts of Liverpool and has a number of links. All I did was to put Liverpool on Skelmersdale page as Preston was on because it gives a proximatey to where Skem is to Liverpool. The above user removed it and I did not go back and add Liverpool I responded in the discussion page. Preston has relevence fair enough it is part of Lancashire administratively speaking. However Skelmersdale has logically links to Liverpool regardless what other users think about me having 'agendas' and is regularly given news in the Liverpool Echo newspaper. I gave an example the Merseyside A-Z. Blimey you'd think I re-wrote the page with Liverpool all over it. I am offended by the other users assumption and I will not be looking to do any work with this editor. Dmcm2008 (talk) 17:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

constituent country
Hi there. I tried to be as constructive as possible in the previous discussion on the UK talk page, suggesting several ways forward. I can't recall if this was one, but if you like it an even more clear version would be 'Scotland is a constituent country of the United Kingdom'. That ticks my boxes because of the link on country, leaving 'constituent' as an adjective and NOT part of the noun. It should also satisy those who want to stress that Scotland is a 'constituent country' - but generally, I see little evidence of any willingness to compromise. Anyway, thanks for your comments! Cheers Fishiehelper2 (talk) 15:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

The Mediation page stuff
Hi! It seems that there is some resistance to filling out the table on the part of MickMacNee, who think I am "taking the piss". I did make a simple mistake with his viewpoint, for which I have apologized, but I do think he is being too limited in thinking we are only concerned with Scotland on that page. If you have the time (and I see there are many things going on at the moment), it would be good if you could contribute again in any way. DDStretch   (talk)  17:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

wider Liverpool response
Hey, you are entitled to your opinion, and by my observation a far more experienced editor for WP than I ever will be. However rather than I make any personal feelings known because frankly I am quite peeved by editors such as yourself laying down the law with every edit that is slightly out of sink with your world, I will say I have no hidden agenda or want an " "expansion" of Liverpool by way of cultural association". For Liverpool there are places outside the official boundary that still form part of the city and it's culture, and for the likes of Skelmersdale there are sufficiant links and they are still local towns even if they are not within the county of Merseyside. Think how many towns are within 'Greater Manchester' - officially - that are just as far from Manchester city centre that Skelmersdale is from Liverpool's. I am only making a point because it has been contested by another user but also because of the manner in which you and the other user has frowned upon my edits and my motives. It is absurd. Dmcm2008 (talk) 20:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey not sure what planet you live on, but we'll agree to disagree. AS for GMCR your answer is jsut a smokescreen, this edit drama happened because someone objected to me saying Skelmersdale was northeast of Liverpool in the same breath as Preston being mentioned. Take a look at a map. I am afraid I will loose to you because as I predicted you will quote me loads of WP rules and regulations and so be it. Dmcm2008 (talk) 20:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC) Oh I forgot, one rule for Manchester and another for everyone else. Sorry, do apologise. Manchester is the greatest. Dmcm2008 (talk) 21:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC) Oh well it shows, you dont have the foggiest what i am referring to, you would rather hide behind Wikipedia rules. Fine. Your arguement over Greater Manchester vs Greater Liverpool is not the same as my arguement but I can appreciate you thinking along those lines. I am well aware GMCR is a county and Merseyside is the equivilant, you are way off the mark to think that is what I mean by greater Liverpool. As is your remark over Wigan. Shame you hide behind WP speak. Oh I noticed you added a sentence re Liverpool anyway to Skelmersdale page, kind of ironic. Dmcm2008 (talk) 22:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC) It is funny that you end up effectively adding the sentence I added (with distance) on the Skem page hours after making you negative points towards me in talk with another user and myself. So what was the point? To take the piss out of me or wind me up or something along those lines? Perhaps you do stick to the WP rules and this is important, but perhaps you should think before you speak. After all you come to the same change as me several hours later on Skem page. Pehaps you just wanted to make a point to me. If there are so many editors upset by my editing I would expect a queue of responses. Then I would take feedback on board. However I do not feel comfortable with the negative vibes I have had from yourself and atleast one other user during my time on WP. Shame you have to behave this way. Dmcm2008 (talk) 22:42, 26 June 2008 (UTC) No,no,no,no,no. Dont you dare try to shift the differences here and blame me. And I really do not know what your point is to say you did (the edit on Skelmersdale) for my benefit. Your actions. I do not want to have a running battle with you but I am fed up of your authoritative approach to me, your assumptions and your WP quotes. Shame you cannot talk to me by discussing things, in a user friendly manner. You do not and dont you dare suggest it is me that is the problem. Dmcm2008 (talk) 22:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC) And to quote you "It is your own unwillingness to assume good faith that is taking the focus off article building and onto character attacks". Your first comments today to MAN2 offered a warm assumption I was acting in good faith "I'm confident that User:Dmcm2008 means well," and then you went on and made your own character attack on me "but I agree that his views on "real" Liverpool are problematic" taking the focus from the Skem article to previous discussions you had with myself and my edits. Not entirely positive interection from you was it? Dmcm2008 (talk) 23:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC) Sorry, I dont really care what you think. Dmcm2008 (talk) 23:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks..
Perhaps you too need to remember, WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA. You need to practice what you preach. Dmcm2008 (talk) 23:15, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I know, that's why I do. ;) --<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">Jza84 | Talk  23:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Sandbach
Hi the Image you added was certainly appropriate as it shows an area of importance within the town. Thankyou for sorting out the Wikilinks I forgot ARBAY (talk) 21:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

RFAR
Plese trim your statement at RFAR, it's rather past the guideline. Doesn't need much trimming though. Thanks. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 00:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cut out the speculation and proposed remedies parts. That is for the evidence/workshop pages. Then it'd be about the right length. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 01:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh, you're adding to it, not cutting it. ?? — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 01:19, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

SCOTLAND EDITS
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE EDITS TO SCOTLAND IT REALY BRIGHTENS UP THE ARTICE I THINK --Martinnutini (talk) 22:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

please can you keep them --Martinnutini (talk) 22:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

do you think you can maybe edit the article a bit more and make it stay there. Becuase i dont think alot of pepole know that scotland doesnt realy exist and i would like the artice inproved a bit more please. Only if you can which i realy hope can take place. --Martinnutini (talk) 22:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk: Scotland. Ok is there anything in mind you think i should say to actutaly get my word across and they actutatly do it. Im not that good at this stuff.--Martinnutini (talk) 22:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

ill do my best. So if i get my word across they will keep the edits ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinnutini (talk • contribs) 22:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Jza84. I'm not sure I'm buying Martin's novelty act. GoodDay (talk) 22:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Reviewing an editor's editing history can sometimes be informative.  DDStretch    (talk)  23:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okie Dokie, Jz84. GoodDay (talk) 23:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll support Martin's proposal if it's being used at the 3 other articles. PS- Think this will hurt my image at the Scotland article? GoodDay (talk) 23:19, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Martin
I realize he's a huge frustration at the moment - and what with all the sockpuppet suspicions (and general disharmony) - but maybe he is new? Pretty easy to tame new-comers (I'm working from the assumption that he is a newbie atm); and if they can't be tamed the regular way, then I guess a smallish cluebat would be in order. Wait and see... Xavexgoem (talk) 23:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He's gone off to edit other Scottish related articles; guess he's lost interest in Scotland. -- GoodDay (talk) 23:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand. But capitalizing one's I's and laying low on the !'s goes a looong way, imo. Hmm... I dunno. I'd rather go the SoftSecurity route for now, is all. Worse comes to worse, 4 hour clueing (when it's sunny on that side, with a really positive messa... agh, y'know what I mean :-p). Xavexgoem (talk) 23:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh...caps confirmed! Pardon the trouble ;-) Xavexgoem (talk) 23:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Liverpool etc
I'm sorry I should have made some comments, it just that I'm getting bored having the same arguments over and over.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 12:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Liverpool City Region
I take JZA comments to Kitchen Knife "for obvious reasons" is reference to any query I may have in view of Kitchen Knifes change for Liverpool City Region. To quote Kitchen Knife above, I am getting bored of both of you. You need to grow up. It is not some game of cat and mouse. The Liverpool City Region is neither here nor there to me, but as far as I know it is the 5 Merseyside boroughs plus Halton. This may be same as Greater Merseyside but the Liverpool city region is the one that has more prominence. Dmcm2008 (talk) 14:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As ive said before, practice what you preach. Both you and Kitchen Knife have over the period I have helped WP have undermined my edits, without even a discussion. So, you'll understand that I find it amusing you when you both tell me to behave. To be frank, lets end this back and forth, you have your views I have mine. Dmcm2008 (talk) 15:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * please harrass someone who wants to listen to your diatribe. I have no particular axe to grind I am just fed up of your arogant remarks to me and your last few days of comments including your last are far from 'supportive' to a fellow editor. Just because I may not have the experience to tell when I am doing something that is against WP rules, does not mean you can dismiss my edits as you have done.Dmcm2008 (talk) 16:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Dmcm2008 (talk) 15:29, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

AAP TV
Hi James! Could you please take a look at this article AAP TV. It has had a good 90% of it wiped out today in several successive edits by one editor. Its a subject outside of my range of Knowledge, but the edit does not seem right. I took a look at the editors contributions following a prior message on my talk page about my cleaning up (dabs & wikilinks) on another article the same editor has been on IE Mirpur, Pakistan. Cheers Richard Harvey (talk) 21:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Lack of edit summary?
(cur) (last) 23:11, 30 June 2008 86.130.140.210 (Talk) (26,176 bytes) (→Landmarks: - Once again, the Rochdale Observer in all it's mediocrity has failed to cite an actual historian. "An American Historian" seems to be very similar to Weasel Words. Source required.) (undo) 86.130.140.210 (talk) 23:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The reasoning for the remove was that "An American Historian" doesn't actually note anyone whatsoever who has commented on, or suggested this turn of events, but rather just remarks upon somewhat of an old wives' tale. Those cited on the page with regards to the glass itself weren't referring to the historian making these claims, but of the "stained glass studios". (Weasel_Words) 86.130.140.210 (talk) 23:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As a matter of courtesy, I'm leaving you a message from my account. As per my user page, please don't leave me personal messages. Thank you. J O R D A N [ talk ] 23:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC)