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Your submission at Articles for creation: Salvatore di Pietro (April 12)
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wia (talk) 16:44, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello.

This is with regard to an article on Center of Concern that you published in the past day.

Center leadership has seen the article and noted that it includes numerous factual errors with serious legal, financial, and reputational implications for it, the Jesuits, the Catholic Church, and others.

Center leadership has tried several times to remove the content you posted, but others have restored it, and this is causing distress in the organization.

Please delete the article immediately and completely. Thank you.

Hoyalawya (talk) 03:38, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Talkback
wia (talk) 18:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
Another message for you at my talk page! wia (talk) 22:10, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Help me!
I've uploaded 7 pictures which I intended to add to articles in wiki, but now have seen the need to crop them and to eliminate the captions that were fuzzy and difficult to read. Can I retrieve these pictures to do the cropping and resizing before inserting them? If so, how retrieve, crop in wiki, and resize in wiki? Alternately, if this can't be done in wiki, can I download the same photos, cropped and resized, under other names? Do I just have to enter a slightly different name to download them into wiki, or must I change also the description of each that I'm reintroducing slightly altered? Finally, do pictures introduced into wiki retain the same size they had before being downloaded? Please help me with...

Jzsj (talk) 17:29, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Commons cannot modify the uploaded files, but on the file pages you'll see an "Upload a new version of this file" in the "File history" section. You can use that to upload a new version of the file that you have modified off Wikipedia - cropped, resized, whatever - under the same name. A Google search will bring up plenty of websites that offer to crop and resize files online for free.
 * What I'm more concerned about is the "missing evidence of permission" tag those images bear. Some of them may be so old that they are no longer protected by copyright, but others clearly are too recent for that. You will need to provide evidence that the images are either in the public domain (which isn't the same as "published on the internet") or have been released under a free license that allows everybody to re-use and modify them for any purpose, including commercial purposes; otherwise they'll be deleted. See here for more details. Huon (talk) 18:10, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Dorick M. Wright
How do I get these 2 boxes into beginning and end of the draft? They are ignored when I enter them. Are there some special versions of the {{ that are needed to make the proper formatting? {{Infobox Christian leader
 * type       = Bishop
 * honorific-prefix = Most Reverend
 * name       = Dorick M. Wright, DD
 * title      = Bishop of Belize
 * image      =
 * alt        =
 * caption    =
 * church     = Catholic Church
 * see        = Titular Bishop of “Thimida Regia”
 * appointed  = December 12, 2001
 * term       = November 18, 2006 - present
 * predecessor = [[Osmond P. Martin]
 * successor  =


 * ordination    = June 27, 1875
 * ordained_by   =
 * consecration  = April 4, 2002
 * consecrated_by = Bishop Osmond P. Martin
 * rank          = Auxiliary Bishop of Belize

(There's another one here that doesn't copy.) {{Persondata }} {{DEFAULTSORT:Wright, Dorick McGowan}} Category:1945 births Category:20th-century Roman Catholic bishops Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Belizejzsj 17:00, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * birth_date   = November 15, 1945
 * birth_place  = Belize City, Belize
 * death_date   =
 * death_place  =
 * previous_post = }}
 * NAME             = Wright, Dorick McGowan
 * ALTERNATIVE NAMES =
 * SHORT DESCRIPTION = Catholic bishop
 * DATE OF BIRTH    = November 15, 1945
 * PLACE OF BIRTH   = Belize City, Belize
 * DATE OF DEATH    =
 * PLACE OF DEATH   =

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dorick M. Wright (April 19)
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Oo7565 (talk) 23:16, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Salvatore di Pietro draft
How do I keep the word "Category" from constantly repeating in this list? Or more generally, why can't I copy from another article and put in my different info and have it come out correct? (I copied this from the article on Fulton Sheen, replacing the info with that for Salvatore di Pietro. When I tried removing the colons before "Category," the section disappeared entirely.)

Category:1830 births Category:1898 deaths Category:Italian Jesuits Category:19th-century Jesuits Category:Jesuit bishops Category:Italian Roman Catholic missionaries Category:Christian missionaries in Belize Category:19th-century Roman Catholic bishops Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Belize Category:Italian titular bishops jzsj 04:11, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Problems with upload of File:David F. Hickey.png
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Dorick M. Wright has been accepted
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Frederick C. Hopkins has been accepted
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categorized list
I believe that Category:Jesuit priests and brothers in Belize in Central America is an important reference from any article on the history of the Catholic church in Belize, but I can't figure out how to import a table into wiki so that it will remain a table. How do I do this?jzsj 16:57, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: List of Jesuit missionaries to Belize (April 27)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Salvatore di Pietro has been accepted
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ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License
Where do I find the tag for ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License and may this be used on photos in Wikipedia?jzsj 02:41, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I think the license you're looking for is Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (for all I can tell there is no CC license that requires ShareAlike without attribution). Images released under that license should be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons; I'd suggest using their Upload Wizard. If you manually want to tag the file on the Commons (which the Wizard should make superfluous), the tag is commons:Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0. It's technically also possible to upload the file to the English Wikipedia, though there's no benefit to doing so; the tag here is also named . Huon (talk) 19:18, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: History of Roman Catholicism in Belize has been accepted
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Articles about parishes
I would like to insert in the dictionary significant elements in the history of the parish of Sacred Heart in Dangriga (formerly Stann Creek), Belize, since pre-colonial times. Is this acceptable for an encyclopedia like wikipedia or is only the church building of sufficient interest to include as an article?jzsj 11:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of William "Buck" Stanton, S.J.
Hello Jzsj,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged William "Buck" Stanton, S.J. for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. ThatKongregateGuy (talk) 02:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I disagreed with the above user, and have removed the "Speedy delete" tag. I did however rename the article to meet the naming conventions at WP:NCP. Eustachiusz (talk) 03:02, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Holy Redeemer Catholic parish, Belize City (June 25)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: St. Peter Claver Catholic parish, Belize (June 30)
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FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jesuits in Belize


Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Jesuits in Belize requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, images, a rephrasing of the title, a question that should have been asked at the help or reference desks, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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 * Sorry, I should have created this in Commons for pictures.jzsj (talk) 16:24, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Holy Redeemer Catholic parish, Belize City (July 19)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Holy Redeemer Catholic Parish, Belize City has been accepted
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Problems with upload of File:Jzsj.JPG
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 * I reloaded it not realizing that Ellin Beltz had included it in her deletions. Her reason seemed to be that I was callous toward your rules and so was probably being careless in this case also. I've just responded to that criticism on her talk page, but I won't use the photo till this is resolved (I don't know how to remove it myself).
 * I'm currently trying to reach the co-worker who took this photo entirely for me, not for herself. She is not a professional and we were not that close that she would have taken it without my asking for it, solely for my own use. If it can be reactivated I'd appreciate it.jzsj (talk) 20:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I reached the photographer and include her release below:

I hereby affirm that I, Camille Lynn, am the creator and sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the photo below: File:Jzsj.JPG     I agree to publish the photo under the free license: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws. I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites. I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project. Camille Lynn Copyright holder July 28, 2015

E-Mail to address:    OTRS (permissions-commons@wikimedia.org) File:Jzsj.JPGjzsj 01:06, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Permissions for images
Hello Jzsj, please send the permissions statement for the images you are uploading to [mailto:permissions-commons@wikimedia.org permissions-commons@undefinedwikimedia.org] and include a list of the images. That will help insure that they are not deleted in the future. Kaldari (talk) 00:56, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

This was done by the copyright holder when she sent me the cc. I have just resent my copy of her permission, that I used in uploading the photos. If this is not what is required then please let me know. jzsj 01:18, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with some of these directives in Commons OTRS:

In uploading a photo for which another is sending in the permission slip, where do I put the tag subst:OP?

Do I understand that the owner does not send to OTRS but simply to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org?

If the photo was previously deleted for lack of proper tag then does the copyright owner add the OTRS to this address? Does this vary with the time since deletion, and how does one determine what procedure to follow? If I cannot locate the correspondence number can you locate the deleted photo by the file name? If it's been some time should I just upload it like a new file?

Is the full header something like File:xxx.png, or what is it? How does this differ from the link to the image in commons?

Where do I place the previously exchanged correspondence when uploading the photo, and is this required? What if the correspondence was by phone?

I assume that if the copyright form is properly filled out that the author does include the image information on the origin of it (source) and authorized by the copyright license (which should be in the email), or is this something else?

Do you ever prefer to upload the photos yourself since they are attached to the permissions slip?

If I have uploaded an original photo and then improved on it, can I request the original be removed and links transferred to the improved version, or do you prefer I just leave both in Wiki Commons?

Thanks for all your help! jzsj 21:49, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

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Newman
I have no idea how great an influence Blessed Newman was on the Council fathers, nor what he would think about the Society named in his honor. I am not nearly knowledgeable enough on either subject. I am, however, fairly knowledgeable about the CNS. For what it's worth, I am not a fan. In fact, I am the author of two of the critiques cited in the article (footnote 15 and footnote 14). I first met Patrick Reilly 15 years ago, and have privately expressed concerns about the tone and direction of his organization as well.

My objection was to the non-neutral tone of your edits. To say that it's ironic that the Society chose Newman as their patron is not being WP:IMPARTIAL. Additionally, the reference you provided cited another Wikipedia article, but this is never allowed. If you can find a WP:RS that is saying it's ironic that they would pick Newman, or that Newman would disagree with them today, then that would be totally acceptable. As it was constructed, however, your edit failed several core tenants of Wikipedia.

I suspect there is plenty more material out there on the Society, and would be glad to work with you to find it and to improve the article, as long as we both put our biases aside and edit it with a neutral tone. --BrianCUA (talk) 04:36, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your quick and respectful response. I've not had nearly as much experience in Wikipedia as you have, but in copy-editing (to improve the English) hundreds of articles I've noted considerable tolerance of matter that seems credible but without references. Perhaps, amidst all your other contributions, you can find a moment here to help in some way save the reputation of Cardinal Newman from the Society that has appropriated his name with little respect for the real depth and breadth of his thought. Again, thanks.Jzsj (talk) 13:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with...In writing an article on a document or decree produced in the Roman Catholic church by its teaching authorities, may one abstract the document and place it in Wikipedia, using the exact words but cutting it down to say 10% of its length, and embedding this in one's own explanation of the topic, consistent with what the Church article says? I doubt if such decrees have copyrights, but rather look to the widest dissemination.

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 * Unless the Church has explicitly released the decree or document into the public domain, of which we'd need evidence, it's copyrighted by default. Using the exact wording would be highly problematic on copyright grounds. You should instead summarize in your own words what reliable third-party sources such as newspapers or peer-reviewed scholarly papers have reported about the decree. Huon (talk) 19:09, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Jzsj (talk) 19:14, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You may be able to upload a complete transcription of the document to Wikisource if you find the correct copyright license/attribution. See the style for this at Tryon Resolves.  There is a link there for an example linking to Wikisource.  I think I wrote the thing (just by mimicking another doc there), but it was so old that copywrite wasn't a factor. Then you can put the link box into the article, instead of too lengthy a copy.  GenQuest  "Talk to Me" 05:35, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. I've reverted to just referring to snippets from the article and in my own words, using quotation marks on the few very short quotes I use. Jzsj (talk) 10:22, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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British English
Please note that in articles using British English, the word 'saint', 'father' and 'doctor' are not written as St., Fr., and Dr., but St, Fr and Dr. The articles on the Jesuit colleges and churches in the UK and Ireland reflect this. A while back, an Irish editor attempted to do the opposite and changed the Canadian church articles from St. to St and it was promptly undone. Pjposullivan (talk) 21:00, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for informing me of this. I don't recall that there was complete consistency in this, but I'll try to restore consistency around the custom you mention. I also find "Saint" written out at times, but thought that Wikipedia custom overruled local custom in such areas.Jzsj (talk) 21:09, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

November 2015
Hello, I'm Yamaguchi先生. An edit that you recently made to McQuaid Jesuit High School seemed to be a test and has been removed. If you want more practice editing, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. ''Hello Jzsj -- it appears that your recent edits were a test, due to the inclusion of unusual Unicode characters and the repositioning of locational data from their appropriate fields. '' Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 23:25, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

St. Xavier High School (Cincinnati)
Dear Jzsj, I'm sorry I had to "override" a few of your edits, since I was editing the entirety of the document; I'm restoring your edits one at a a time. I will, however, leave the brackets for Johnston, who was later president of SLU--such folks are typically notable, and the redlink is an invitation to other editors to write the article. Thank you for your meticulous work. Drmies (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Can we seriously maintain that anyone we believe should have an article on them should be given the prominence of red lettering in a current Wiki article. Going by this norm there would soon be almost as many red lettered names as prominent names in Wiki, and some may prefer to have their name in red letters rather than bothering with achieving "prominence". I suggest that we use green for bracketed entries without any wiki link, removing the possibility of filling articles with red for the things we wish to emphasize. This seems to be reverting to a very subjective norm.Jzsj (talk) 17:28, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Red links are useful--Red link. However, "Articles should not have red links to topics that do not warrant an article"--but the SLU president warrants an article since their position makes them pretty much inherently notable. People who are university presidents do not, in my experience, get their articles deleted. I did cut a city councilman, for instance, whom you had left, since city council members are rarely notable if council members is all they are. Whether someone wants their name in red is not a question I have pondered much. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 17:41, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe that people wanting others they like in red is a question, considering all the red I've found in the over 5000 edits I've made in the past few months. I think it's dishonest for people to leave names in red when they know they are not linked: let those who are interested enough to read an article decide who they should give prominence to. Why would you not support my proposal to make dead links green, so that it's less tempting to use it according to one's personal bias? Following your proposal we could easily find every president of every university and college (who has no no article on them) in red in Wikipedia, and then why not high schools and business leaders and every one who achieved political office?Jzsj (talk) 17:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Jzsj, but I don't quite follow. Names are in red when they are not linked, and dishonesty doesn't come into the matter. We don't do green in article space. Note that such links aren't "dead"--in fact, they offer the opportunity of creating life, which is what I just did with Robert S. Johnston--albeit a life in one sentence. I'm not giving you my opinion--I think you misunderstand me. It is common policy (even courtesy) to leave certain red links, if they point to notable entities. For instance, you removed the brackets from a school district--well, school districts are deemed inherently notable. If you don't believe me, ask or, who are involved in the Schools project (WikiProject Schools). As for university presidents, yes they are considered notable (see Notability_(academics), item 6), like senators and congressmen and, I don't know, astronauts and professional athletes. High school principals are not, and not everyone who "achieved political office is": it depends on the office, and I already mentioned that city council members do not fall in that category. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:06, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You have not addressed the gross misuse of this possibility. Why not use a less prominent color so that three-fourths of these false links are not careless or a deliberate effort to give prominence where there is no prominence, simply through the red color text. And why should those with less prominence be in red in a list of alumni while those with prominence are stand out less?Jzsj (talk) 18:11, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't addressed it because it's well above my pay grade, nor do I subscribe to your theory about deliberate efforts to give prominence. If you really want to know what false prominence looks like--here is an example, and it's much more effective than a link that goes nowhere in some article. Drmies (talk) 18:21, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you agree that none of a person's public awards should be listed in Wikipedia? My own take is that his obvious accomplishments over 26 years should not be denied, as if to undo the wrong of punishing professors who worked against him. In encyclopedic fashion, the fact of this aspect of his style of governing should be reported (with reference to a newspaper article) and the awards he received not be done away with by omission from Wikipedia.Jzsj (talk) 18:36, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I say no to that loaded question. Awards can be listed if they are notable/worthwhile mentioning and if they're properly verified. Decent secondary sources can help with both, and you are welcome to make that case in the article or on the talk page--but a local newspaper, for instance, verifying that Professor X won the university's Great Teacher award is still not of encyclopedic value; an award has to have a bit more significance than that. In this case we were dealing with what I believe is called "vanispam". Drmies (talk) 19:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * [Interfering spectator]. Naturally, there's an essay: Vanispamcruftisement. Bishonen &#124; talk 19:10, 18 December 2015 (UTC).

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Thanks for the reminder, I'll put more effort into this in the future.Jzsj (talk) 14:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Looking at my initial post, I should've said "problem edits" instead of "vandalism", since school articles also attract lots of good-faith edits that contravene Wikipedia principles, e.g. boosterism, essays on the performance and prospects of the sports teams, and people of dubious notability added to the "Notable alumni" section.  Of course, there's plenty of vandalism too: if you've got a few schools on your watchlist, you've probably had to revert the addition of a few World Bong Hits Champions to the articles... — Ammodramus (talk) 17:49, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

On green links
Please do not attempt to start parallel discussions on any subject, per WP:MULTI. Per those guidelines, I have closed your proposals discussion. You may continue to discuss at WP:VPT. --Izno (talk) 20:40, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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Your school article is good, but I tagged it to help you out!
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I just noticed that there are no dates, authors, etc. in the references. Pages you can see:


 * Citations
 * Conflict of interest, regarding people "closer to it [who] can build on the article"
 * No original research, regarding the inference that I've recognized that people who know more about the subject offhand can go and put more info in. This isn't really the best practice. Wikipedia mainly relies on sources.

I'm not saying your article is bad at all. You did a good job; I didn't see many problems with the writing or the references themselves. These are just some things I wanted to throw out there, because I've started recent changes patrolling. Philmonte101 (talk) 08:27, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * What I am saying is that I find it impossible to respond to your tag, and so would like you to change it to something more doable. I've hardly ever run into this tag in the literally hundreds of articles on Jesuit Institutions (all of them on the "List") that I've edited, in about a dozen cases creating them, and I know how difficult it is to get books and articles on schools, especially on high schools in India and Africa. Also the web archive services are not likely to save many articles about these schools, which are mostly about their sports conquests. When I mention people closer to the article, I'm thinking of facts that are not likely to be questioned, like whether a school is coed or not (which I can't prove from the first 3 Google pages of references on our article at hand). Please take into consideration in your patrolling of articles from the "South" that they have few of the resources we have: news media are scarce and limited (relative to the size of India!) and books are seldom published at a profit in countries like Belize, for all sorts of reasons: our book on the Catholic church in Belize was pirated within a few months of its publication and it's difficult to prosecute these realities in many countries; most of the publishing houses require money up front from authors, and books are likely to be far less objective than Wiki articles. I'm not saying that I haven't tried to get all the substantiation that I could in all the articles I've worked on (over 5,000 edits) but most editors seem to appreciate that the South cannot reach anywhere near the same standards as the United States in the furnishing of references. You must know this, but please consider it seriously in the case of St.Mary's High School SSC. (The main articles on it are on a dispute between the principal and the school board which I'd defy anyone to sort out at a distance from Mumbai.)Jzsj (talk) 14:14, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You know, I have trouble with this sort of thing as well. I have trouble citing sources correctly with all due honesty. But somehow, I know it's incorrect when I see it. Like I said, it's not about the citations themselves; it's about the formatting. I may not be of much help when it comes to the things you're talking about. You may want to consider going to the help desk for help.


 * Tell you what, to prove to both myself and possibly you that I'm not just nagging here, I'll put it on my to-do list on my user page to help improve this article by doing research myself. (: I'm also interested in schools and school districts and such and I'd be glad to be a second editor, but I'm currently busy on improving another article at the moment. I think it'd help if you had another editor basically do a "reresearch" on the topic, because that may improve the article and help maintain the neutrality and fairness of the encyclopedia. What I just said in this paragraph is what I wish most experienced editors would do. Regards, Philmonte101 (talk) 22:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I can profit from your demonstration of how to dig up stuff, particularly on one like this. I quit after about 3 pages on Google search and diminishing returns. Perhaps there's a book source for India that I should know about. As to the format of the citations themselves, are you saying that my preference for cryptic notations in the Reference section is unacceptable? I have become disillusioned with all the "accessed" or "retrieved" notices to articles that have no chance of being lasting or archived. If a school's claims are reasonable then I see most editors leaving the article "clean" rather than cluttering it with "citation needed" tags. I don't think it does us much credit to prioritize our hopes for better articles over the immensely larger group of our readers who would prefer a cleaner looking encyclopedia. In other words, we need to keep using balance in the extent to which we insist on perfection, and the balance should be biased in favor of the poor nations of the South. From what I have observed, this is an unwritten rule for many editors, and perhaps you've employed it also.Jzsj (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * First off, what you're doing right now is criticizing the encyclopedia itself. I've been there, I know where you are, but let me tell you from experience, criticizing the encyclopedia itself doesn't do you any good.. Just because no one paid attention to something before doesn't mean they can't now. Second, you need to keep in mind that in the end, our goal is to make articles as good quality as we can make them. Like I said, I'll try to find some time to help you with that article later. I'm not saying there's many problems with it now as far as accuracy and amount of sources, but I'm going to basically be a second editor just to make sure for you and to add things I feel are necessary. Expect help with this in a few weeks. Regards, Philmonte101 (talk) 23:30, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I think there may be hope for "the encyclopedia" to lean a little in one direction or the other – I've found notable differences among the editors as it is. I think we should keep trying in small ways to support the best of what we see in it, according to the understanding given us. Thanks for all your time on this, and Blessings of the New Year!Jzsj (talk) 03:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of The Centre for Studies and Training for Development


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Nomination of Center of Concern for deletion
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 * I believe you are placing unreasonable demands for a country where there's little reading of newspapers and where publishing is hardly a for-profit business. As I've suggested before, we should not apply nearly the same requirements of independent sources to countries where only 40% of teachers have graduated from high school ([file:///C:/Users/Jack/stats%20at%20a%20glance%202014-2015-%20final%20july%2028%202015.pdf]). Men like Jack Stochl have lots more prominence than most of the athletes that we automatically admit to prominence.Jzsj (talk) 13:01, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Jesuit Institute South Africa


A tag has been placed on Jesuit Institute South Africa, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Hi, thanks for message. I deleted your article because <b style="font-family:chiller;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  15:51, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * it did not provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the company, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the company claims or interviewing its management. Most, if not all of your references were social media or closely associated with your organisation, and were not independent third-party sources
 * I see no claim of notability. It appears to have one building, but to show notability you need hard verifiable facts such as the number of employees, funding and expenditure. You just told us what it is selling (I assume that there are charges, apologies if that's incorrect)
 * it was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Examples of unsourced claims presented as fact include: strives to the train and empower... for the betterment of society... help those involved in works of charity and social justice to see the close relationship between their work and Ignatian/Christian spirituality.
 * As a Jesuit priest, you appear to have a conflict of interest when editing this article. If, after reading the information about notability linked above, you still believe that your organisation is notable enough for a Wikipedia article (and that there is significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources), you could, if you wish, post a request at Requested articles for the article to be created. See also Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest.
 * It's not the worse I've seen, and if you want to try again, I'll post the deleted text to a user subpage for you to work on, just let me know. You will need proper references and evidence of notability if the article is to survive
 * wikipedia needs to be much more lenient on its references policy if it wants to have articles from less wealthy, less literate nations&mdash;the problem we have is that we have to have a standard for notability otherwise every corner shop, primary school and pub would have an article. You gave no real facts, referenced or not, to demonstrate notability, as I mentioned above. The mere fact of being a charity or non-profit isn't enough. Churches and charities often tend to assume that because they are good causes they are immune from our rules (I accept that you are trying to follow them). If there is really nothing beyond social media and their own web pages, they they are probably not notable. South Africa has newspapers and other media outlets, so it's not unreasonable to expect third-party mentions, particularly in this relatively well-off African country.
 * As to my being one of the 16,000 or so Jesuits&mdash;yes, I needed to flag up a possible COI, but I won't lose sleep over it.
 * I'll recreate at Draft:Jesuit Institute South Africa shortly
 * Pax vobiscum, <b style="font-family:chiller;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  16:35, 2 April 2016 (UTC)