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Chiropractic edit war
You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing.  ◄ ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ  ►  00:01, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the warning. I was aware.  Justen Deal 00:14, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I should add... You stated in your edit summary for the revert: "rv. 3RR coming into play next time - mccready attempted dispute resolution/compromise on the talk page, but you choose to ignore it and continue edit warring.)"  I understand you've just familiarised yourself with this article today, but it's important to note that there is no compromising on WP:RS and WP:V.  An "edit war," in my mind, requires that I might take a position on the "edits" that are being disputed...  I don't.  I take issue with those edits being added without being reliably and verifiably sourced.  Certainly User:Mccready has added his thoughts to the Talk:Chiropractic page, but nobody, to date, has found reason for adding content to the article that cannot be verified.  These statements are important to the subject of the article, but Wikipedia requires the statements be verifiable and reliable.  So far, you, nor User:Mccready, nor anybody else (for that matter), have offered a source for the statements you're trying to add into the article.  I have searched, and cannot find any to support the statements myself.  That means the edits need to come out of the article until someone (preferably whoever added the statements) can source it. Justen Deal 00:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * For the record, I'm not trying to add any statements to the text. I'm simply resetting a clumsy revert and hoping somebody (you for instance) makes a more surgical edit.  Preferably, although not necessarily, after discussion of the 'offending' material.  To be honest I couldn't care any less about the subject.   If you cannot find the sources for the statements then edit them out manually, seeing as other edits were made in the interim.  Reverting, especially when it includes valid and unrelated edits, just stunts the growth of the article in question.  I'm amazed at the number of editors who don't check what they're editing before they hit the save page button.  That's the very reason I was there on that page in the first place today, because Drdr1989 totally changed the meaning of a sentence by butchering it and not reading the result (or just lacking the faculty to notice the difference when they did).  People are wondering why simple spelling errors they've already corrected are creeping back into the article, and it's because of the kind of ham-fisted reverts you've just pulled.   ◄  ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ  ►  01:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * For the record, I'm not trying to add any statements to the text. I'm simply resetting a clumsy revert and hoping somebody (you for instance) makes a more surgical edit.  Preferably, although not necessarily, after discussion of the 'offending' material.  To be honest I couldn't care any less about the subject.   If you cannot find the sources for the statements then edit them out manually, seeing as other edits were made in the interim.  Reverting, especially when it includes valid and unrelated edits, just stunts the growth of the article in question.  I'm amazed at the number of editors who don't check what they're editing before they hit the save page button.  That's the very reason I was there on that page in the first place today, because Drdr1989 totally changed the meaning of a sentence by butchering it and not reading the result (or just lacking the faculty to notice the difference when they did).  People are wondering why simple spelling errors they've already corrected are creeping back into the article, and it's because of the kind of ham-fisted reverts you've just pulled.   ◄  ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ  ►  01:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll respond here: User_talk:Newsmare. Justen Deal 01:41, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Justen
Thank you Justen for those kind words. I am not sure which statement you were originally talking about, but I think it has been removed. You, too, are doing a great job of editing and have a very good grasp of the guidelines of WP, more than I have. I just remove the anti-chiropractic hate bilge and return things to a more NPOV. For some reason, there are those who have never even been to a chiropractor like Mccready who has it in for chiropractic. Go figure. He was sent to the naughty corner, but doesn't seem to have learned anything from his time-out. For good measure, he even started bad-mouthing an admin. Not the best way to endear onself to the authorities, now was it? LOL So keep up the good work, I think we work together well, eh? Steth 04:07, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Wiki-mu-oldmain.jpg
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KP article RFC
You appear to have a legitimate interest in Kaiser Permanente and should therefore be informed that I have called an RFC on it and on User:Pansophia. Please comment or otherwise join in. Midgley 16:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Chirotalk
I noticed recently that Chirotalk has started its own self-promoting article on WP. I nominated it for deletion. As someone who has recently edited the chiropractic article and discussion pages, I thought you might want to chime in with your thoughts here.

Native American imagery on 4H
Hi Justen,

I wanted to let you know that 4H is not a camping or scouting organization. Although some clubs support camp outings, it is not common. The page has been categorized as a Category:Non-aligned Scouting organizations but this is dubious and I will probably discuss removal. The camping section needs to be edited as well. Have you considered other pages for the Native American section?

Perot Systems
Hi Justen, I was wondering why you downcased PerotSystems.com in the company infobox? Personally I think the camel case domain name is somewhat more readable, and just as valid as the lower case version. MarkBrooks 04:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Mark. Please see my response over at Talk:Perot_Systems.  Justen 09:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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The Photo is up for deletion.
see what you can do to save it. Look at this WikiProject West Virginia/Deletion sorting I hope you can join. You have some kid that puts deletion tags on everything without reading the information. --71Demon 17:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You might want to check it out again WikiProject West Virginia/Deletion sorting --71Demon 21:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm starting to realize that the people policing this are clueless. WikiProject West Virginia/Deletion sorting. The Release in press release means that it was released. --71Demon 23:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Your RfC on Yamla
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Hi Justen!
Hi! Thanks for your advice about Yamla's requestboard.. I very appreciate it. PS: Where are you from? Morris Munroe 11:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

4-H and WP:SCOUT
No it's not final. What came about was that someone had added even communist youth orgs the that cat and we decided to go in and purge it. Since the 4-H article didn't even mention Scouting, it was one I purged. If you could add some lines to the 4-H article about how/why it's could be considered a Scouting org, I'll add it back in. Showing 4-H uses the Scout method and/or is tied to Baden-Powell or BSA would be even better. Lv answer on my talk page.Rlevse 17:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yamla
I responded. Check it out, and see if I formatted it correctly --71Demon 00:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for rearranging Requests for comment/Yamla. --Yamla 03:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

71Demon
Just to clear something up regarding 71Demon. He was told by multiple admins, both here and on unblock-en-l, that his characterising his block as a "spite block" was a personal attack and would not be tolerated. Note that it is not just my block that he is characterising as such. He was specifically told by another admin, "Please, never do that again. Ever." It is because he chose to continue the same personal attacks he was specifically warned about that resulted in my warning to him. Provided he refrains from any further personal attacks, I welcome his contributions to the Wikipedia generally and to the RfC specifically. --Yamla 23:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

You said: "I recognize your concern regarding the two edits (one, two) 71Demon made, which seem to be the most immediate reasons for your warning. I believe that, in effect, the warning only served to potentially provoke the user and further escalate the situation.  Please consider not biting and not feeding.  Given the user's animosity relating to your conduct specifically, please also consider refraining from further engaing the user directly, and, instead, please consider asking other administrators to intervene should you believe further administrative action regarding the user is necessary."


 * Will do, with the exception of commenting on it on my RfC if he does the same thing again, and blanking attacks from my user talk page. If you believe this to be half-hearted or otherwise insufficient, please let me know and we'll discuss further.  --Yamla 00:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, my comment on the RfC would only be if he did the same thing on the RfC page itself. --Yamla 00:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Betty Ireland
Re-assess as neccesary and as often as needed. Those aren't set in stone, but moreso a part of an ongoing conversation about imrpoving WV-related articles. Thanks for taking an interest.

BTW, the guidelines were just copied and pasted from another Wikiproject a day ago, so they are still subject to change.  young  american (ahoy hoy) 17:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, don't worry about membership and ranking and whatnot. Assessments are welcome from all. No egos here.  young  american  (ahoy hoy) 17:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Mount St. Mary's
Thank you for your message. I searched for Mount Saint Mary's College, and got redirected to Mount St. Mary's College which wasn't the one I was looking for. So I changed Mount Saint Mary's College from a redirect into a disambiguation page.

If you would prefer not to have the extra layer of disambiguaton, you are welcome to replace it with a redirect to Mount St. Mary's. But that isn't the same as reverting my edits.

I'm not part of WikiProject Saints. I'm part of WikiProject Disambiguation, trying to fix ambiguous links to Saint Mary's, St. Mary's, St Mary's, St Marys, and so on. CarolGray 15:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The redirects I changed before I have now changed again so that they point to Mount St. Mary's (via Mount St. Mary's (disambiguation) so it is clear that they are intentional links to the dab page). There are still two ambiguous links to Mount Saint Mary's College which I hope you may be able to put right - they are from Jane Garvey and List of living philosophers and academics of philosophy.  Then, Mount Saint Mary's College can become a redirect to Mount St. Mary's.  I've also added a link from dab page Saint Mary's to Mount St. Mary's.


 * I hope this all okay with you now.CarolGray 21:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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Removal of valid Sprint Nextel links
I noticed you removed valid links for Sprint Nextel. Every single one of them is valid and they do not violate any of the rules. They have been here for 2 years. It is not right to delete links they are helpful to others. Seeing as this is a place for useful into on Sprint Nextel, then links are helpful to both new and current customers. If you delete them again, I will report you. Feel free to come discuss this on the profile. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.241.162.122 (talk • contribs).

I restored Sprint Nextel links yet again. Read the rules before you delete valid content! Those links have been there for years now! So stop deleting them!! 74.241.162.122 07:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe that you also left the following as a comment on my personal blog. Adding here so that there is a complete record of your efforts to preserve those nineteen links.  Justen 07:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You are like 5 years old! Stop deleting the links on the Sprint Nextel Wiki profile! You have had 1 wireless phone with a bunch of different carriers. I have had 50+ phones, for more then ten years. I know more about the subject, so stop deleting the links! You are just a child, so read the rules, then came play like an adult! If you think the links are too much, then you are only 1 person who does. Evey other mod has left the links their for years.  Go get a girlfriend and leave that profile alone!  Posted to my blog by adsl-156-1-228.bna.bellsouth.net (70.156.1.228)


 * This edit summary you left when readding the links to the Spring Nextel article is also worth retaining here: 17:33, 18 April 2007 70.156.1.228 (Talk) (Yes this place is! Wiki is info! Why does every newbie want to delete content that has been here for years?) (Emphasis mine.)  Justen 08:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

If you want to add to the Sprint NExtel profile, then feel free to. But coming here and deleting the hard work of users is not the way to go about it. If you have a bias for another carrier, then that is your problem. But I have been updating this profile for going on 3 years now. You have not done anything but deleting content that is help, and that has been here for years. I am sick of newbies coming in after years of hard work, and causing problems, when NO ONE else has complained about the links.

LEt's figure this out, but you can not delete everyone of those links. That is the work of many people over years.

70.156.1.228 01:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:NOT. If you have invested a lot of work in compiling a list of nineteen external links, I apologize, but that work is not in line with what Wikipedia is intended to be.  Wikipedia is not intended to be a directory of links.  The article is not a "profile."  There are websites that exist solely to collect links about a company or category.  DMOZ is one such site.  In instances where there is a need or desire for a large amount of external links, Wikipedia can and does link to the appropriate DMOZ category.  I'd suggest you look into pursuing including the nineteen links in an appropriate DMOZ category.


 * But, please understand, WP:AGF and WP:CIV are fairly clear that calling your fellow editors newbies is quite inappropriate (and distracting from any other legitimate argument you might make). Additionally, my personal choice of mobile phone service has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that including nineteen external links on the Sprint Nextel article is a violation of WP:NOT.  You will note, for example, that the Cingular and Verizon Wireless articles each have three or fewer external links.  Justen 01:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe you just left this comment on my blog. I understand that people like yourself, basically geeks, find a source of power hiding behind your computer. But by deleting links that others have worked so hard to add, is disrespectful. I have worked on the Sprint Nextel profile for going on 3 years. Most of the new content has been added by me. When I first came across the profile, it had 2 articles and 1 link. It has grown to include all kinds of info. If you want to add to the profile, then that is great. We need all the help we can get. But deleting imporant info, just because you have a bias for another carrier, is wrong. And after seeing your profile, and the fact that you have been with differnt carriers, for a number of years, but only a few phones here and there. You understanding is limited.  If you want to work with me on finding what links should stay and go, then let's do it. We can talk about it on the discussion page.  If not, I will figure it by myself and keep changing it for years to come.  But being an *** hole and disrespecting people from the safety of your computer, is petty.q   Left by adsl-156-1-228.bna.bellsouth.net (70.156.1.228).


 * Please see WP:STALK. Justen 02:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Yahoo Logo
I'll fix the purple tomorrow, I had assumed you used the purple from outside the white logo on the back of the AR. --Keeleysam 03:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I opened it in Illustrator, used Live Paint to change the color, then opened and resaved in Inkscape to make it a standard SVG. I did not (knowingly) alter the color. --Keeleysam 13:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I might have found the fix... I opened up mine, used an RGB to Hex convertor, and replaced all instances of the color. [[Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|100px|thumb|your new svg]]--Keeleysam 18:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)



See? It's still not coming out right. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the way the Wiki software interprets the SVG and makes a smaller image out of it on demand? Justen 20:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

4-H Statistics
Justen, could you add a source for the new statistics you put on the 4-H page? Thanks. JavaPenguin 20:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

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