User talk:K. Lastochka/Archive 7

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Music clips, cont'd.
That was rather funny; thank you, although my wiki-week has been just fine. I have no idea about audio, but I can point you to Media, WP:VPT and Music samples, where I see you've just put a message. Perhaps harvesting names off that, like User:Pepve, User:Papa November‎ or User:Esprit15d would be a good idea (these three do seem like they know about audio). Biruitorul 22:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess I keep forgetting that I'm several hundred times more sensitive than you are, and these constant battles between certain Romanian factions bother me more than you. Oh well, glad you liked the video anyway.
 * Thanks for the suggestions, I'll give it a shot. K. Lásztocska 22:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Talk about trivia! Biruitorul 23:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

How's the audio project coming along? By the way? See these (1, 2, 3, 4)? 1: Do you agree, as I've outlined here, that these charts are utterly absurd? 2: If so, how does one go about removing them? Unfortunately there's a group protecting them, but do you know of a place I could initiate a cross-article discussion on the subject, and slay all the beasts in one go? Thanks. Biruitorul 20:10, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean like this? Biruitorul 22:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, excellent. It's always good to have allies in a conflict like this. I don't know if we'll succeed - the royalty editors are naturally a powerful group in their own sphere, and we have other things on our minds - but the trio of Dahn, you and I could, if it worked together, score a victory. Biruitorul 12:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh my God, we really are a cabal. ;-) K. Lásztocska 12:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Just keep vewy, vewy quiet about it - your votes on the side opposite to mine on AfDs come in quite handy to dispel any outsiders' notion of a cabal... Biruitorul 06:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like I'm going to have to start trying to disagree with you more often...;-) K. Lásztocska 07:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Blank page?
Damn, missed it :( Will (talk) 22:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I did too… &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  01:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Enesque
Almost :D. No, not quite Enescu and, alas, not quite that Mitică. Meaning that I could pin them down in a wrestling match (I'm not so sure about Enescu - he was a little on the heavy side). Not to give you the wrong impression: that's about all I can hope to accomplish in wrestling. But I do pack a Mitică on the inside.

Btw: I may have unwittingly instigated this, but your archiving is a bit confusing. I don't mind that you archived the long exchange with Anittas, and I do apologize for its intensity (though I should add I'm not a "side" in a regional conflict - I'm rather perplexed that he seems to think this is a regional conflict between him and the rest). But you might consider leaving the ongoing stuff out of the archive and on the active page - it is only by sheer luck that I noticed you replied to my previous Caragiale post. And sorry about the French language thing - I forgot to double-check your Babel before suggesting the book. Dahn 21:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Biru's Enescu, you're Lipatti. Did I mix up my pronouns again? :-D
 * I know, it was a clumsy archiving job--I'd been meaning to archive anyway, and then once Anittas showed no sign of shutting up I figured I'd force the issue. Now that you mention it though, I probably will move some of the more active discussions back here. And while you're here, I might as well ask you too--do you know anything about working with sound files? K. Lásztocska 23:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah! my bad. Well, I have to say that, after our talk about Hungarian clichés, my mental image of you merges with Rossellini as Erdody in Immortal Beloved :D.
 * Unfortunately, I'm clueless when it comes to sound files. Have you tried asking people on Commons? (In any case, I think that the files should be directed there - since I suppose they are PD.) Dahn 23:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Immortal Beloved! zOMG I love that movie, it's on my short list of favorites! :-D Ooh, and Rosselini...I'll keep that image, thanks! ;-)
 * The sound clips I'm hoping to upload would actually fall under fair use. The rationale is easy--unique and un-reproducible recordings of a now-deceased violinist, used solely to illustrate (?) the biography of that violinist. My problem is figuring out how to go from one file format to another without getting any more of those ear-splitting electronic shrieks from Audacity...K. Lásztocska 00:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I wish I could help, but I can only scratch my head in sympathy. I have never really worked with sound files (well, I did, but on a level where the shrieking was not a major problem).
 * Speaking of favorite movies: when I read the Balaton adventures, it seemed that I'm a regular Knox Harrington (which is not bad, especially since that movie makes my short list for sure). And now the Lipatti thing only serves to enhance the image :). Dahn 00:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and Biru's gone and made himself the mentally unstable villain again...sigh. What *are* we going to do with him? (I'm thinking, he and Jan Slota team up with Gheorge Funar to retake "far western Transylvania" (i.e. the rest of Hungary) but, as is prone to happen in melodramas, things spin out of control. I want to work in Prince Csaba coming down the Milky Way to save the day somehow...)K. Lásztocska 00:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I did lay low for a while to tie up some loose knots. In any case, belated Halloween greetings and a moment to remember those poor guys who died hopelessly fighting the Soviet behemoth. Anyway: I'm more or less back in the game - I just have to urge myself to get back to Caragiale... Any chanse for answers on the archived questions? Btw: Biru has since proposed an entire article on the Romanian consequences of the 1956 uprising. Dahn 16:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you remind me what those questions were, sure. (It's getting a little crazy in real life with classes, concerts, etc. etc. etc....) I love the idea of an article on the Romanian reaction to 56--I suggested a whole article about international political consequences last year, but Istvan quite rightly pointed out that that would be a huge undertaking and prone to various OR and WP:SYNTH issues...focusing on Romania specifically, however, could be quite do-able and effective. I don't know much about it though, I admit, but I'll help however I can. K. Lásztocska 17:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I'm late as usual - some will say it's because I was celebrating a departure ;), but I actually wasn't (I was mostly just trying to get another two other blockable users out of my hair). I was going to link to your archive for those questions, but it turns out that, in my post there, only the stuff about 1956 was truly relevant and truly a question... and you answered it. Alright, I'll see about this in the near future. But, since it would need some sort of summary in the main article on the uprising, and since you're qualified to help with that, expect more nagging from my part :). The more relevant points of the Romanian connection are sourced in Romanian Communist Party, Miron Constantinescu, and Ion Vincze. Biru has also worked on Bucharest student movement of 1956, but that article is very undersourced and takes liberties with the MoS (not his fault: I think he was translating the ro wiki article, and ro wikipedians are not fully accustomed to how this project works - resulting in the fact that it is impossible to say where the info comes from and if it is reliable). Dahn 04:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Szigeti Page
Just a suggestion - getting a non-copyvio sound clip of one of his performances would really up that page a notch (or two) - make it a real FA contender. István 16:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Especially Bach's Charconne, as a) it was a pivotal piece in his career and b) most serious guitar players (of which there is no shortage) immediately recognize it as a technically challenging piece (even if they don't understand much about the rest of the wide world of music) and will respect anyone who can play it well István 16:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * CHAconne, István. No "R". :) Obnoxious linguistic nitpicking aside, that is an absolutely fantastic idea, I only wish I knew how to (a) excerpt a short clip from a whole track or (b) come up with a decent rationale to satisfy the, um, Commons types. I also have a magnificent recording of him playing some sonatas and showpieces with Bartók at the piano, those would also be worth uploading. K. Lásztocska 16:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * for (b) you could just use the JayZ method, sample Szigeti, overlay some cheezy rap, copyright it, release the rights, and then take it out again. (but save a copy for parties and such) István 05:03, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice! ...but, um, that's not Szigeti playing, is it. :) Actually I think copyright issues will be the least of my worries; what's going to be tricky is playing with the files enough so I can get a short excerpt (shouldn't be more than 30 seconds long) and then convert it to OGG format...on the other hand I'm on a post-concert buzz right now so what better time than the present to start working on this? K. Lásztocska 05:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your call, you are more expert in musick than I. In fact, you are best advised to not take my advice too much here - mine was more an aside comment but I think you should choose on the criteria of what you think shows his abilities best (from a performer's point of view).  re: tech troubles - yes, I know exactly what you mean.  for this reason I try to minimise my involvement with technology - some day all that crap will become more intuitive.  Till then I cant even archive my talk page. ;-)István 14:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Music Clips
remmeber during the 56 debate someone raised the issue of a composition which was supposedly about 56 but officially not? I was thinking that a music clip might go well on that page...any suggestions? István 15:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course I remember, it was me. :) The work in question is Shostakovich's Eleventh Symphony, officially about the brutal 1905 crushing of a peaceful protest in St. Petersburg and the resulting mushrooming revolutionary sentiment, but it was written in 1957 and Shostakovich privately said that "contemporary events" had inspired the work, and Shostakovich's son has said that everybody at the premiere (thankfully with the exception of the dimwitted Party officials) knew that it was really about 56. A clip from that symphony would indeed be a nice addition (and just in time for the 51st anniversary?!), figuring out exactly where to put it might be tricky though. K. Lásztocska 21:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * oh yes, that K. Lastochka, of course...;-) I found his 10th but not his 11th. I wonder how those get there in the first place.  Browsing through, I'm struck as to how much music is NOT on the commons.  Anyway, do you also remember the idea once raised of making 56 a "spoken article"? István 18:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I do remember that spoken article idea...I think it was the idea of some crazy guy called István, I dunno. ;-) It's a good idea, and I would volunteer to record it myself except for the fact that I invariably sound stilted and awkward when reading prose aloud, especially things like history articles. (Reciting poetry is more my talent.) Perhaps, my dear, you should become the voice of the '56ers? (especially if you have a Hungarian accent, it would add a nice dash of authenticity.) ;-)
 * Putting more music on the commons is a great idea. Maybe that's something I can work on here and there... K. Lásztocska 18:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I would jump at that chance, but I cringe in pain any time I hear my recorded voice. What's worse is when I ask others if I really sound like that and the answer is a shrug and a "yes".  Ive been told my voice is distinctive (&I could never get away with anything on the phone), and that breaks my wiki rule #1 - never give out any personal information. What a hell, you tink I haf Hungeedian accent?  Tanks God we only gonna write here and not to speak. István 20:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Now I've got all sorts of possible weird ways your voice could sound running through my head...thanks. And my preferred expletive of choice is undoubtedly going to be "what a hell?" for the next week, complete with full Hungeedian accent. (You got me stuck on "pinhead" a while back too...remember?)
 * I'm going to try my hand at uploading a sound clip in a little while--not Szigeti yet, as I still haven't gotten the files off my iPod, but I'l try uploading some excerpts from Symphonie Fantastique (and then I'll go learn the rest of it for rehearsal tomorrow. Eek!) K. Lásztocska 00:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * just think of Barry White...;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Istvan (talk • contribs) 16:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oy! Several messed-up files and horrendous screeching noises from Audacity later, and still no sound clips...this may be harder than I thought...K. Lásztocska 01:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Caragiale's books
There isn't much, truth be told. I mean, they must have translated all at some point, but it seems they did so mostly from Romania (which is bound to be obscure) and this about 30-50 years ago. At least, this is what Amazon tells me. There is a newer French-language edition of his Mitică stories (lovely picture, wouldn't you say?). Dahn 14:08, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahh, if only I spoke French. That is a good picture--should that be my mental image of you? ;-) For some reason I've always pictured you and Biru looking like Dinu Lipatti and George Enescu, respectively...K. Lásztocska 01:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Mental images of users with no pictures of themselves? Funny I never really thought of that…somehow I think of you as halfway between Clara Schumann and Andrea Rost. At least one of them is Hungarian. ;) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  15:48, 14 October 2007 (UTC) P.S. I mean the young and pretty Clara and not the good-hearted but homely older Clara. ;) (Sorry, Brahms…) 20:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * And I've been told I look like Meat Loaf. I mean, I would do anything for love (but I won't do that!) Will (talk) 20:41, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh my. This is quite interesting though, as I've often wondered what mental images people have of me. :) Will, I never would have pegged you for a Meat Loaf lookalike--I always pictured a young Ninth Doctor. :P K. Lásztocska 20:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I always pictured you as adult Wikipe-tan, with less freaky hair. About the Ninth Doctor, I do wear a similar looking trademark leather jacket quite often and I love Ecclescake (and Tennant - literal "Squee!!!"s when I saw them in Heroes and the I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles) video respectively). By the way, is it just me who finds it funny that Eccleston was born in Salford? Will (talk) 21:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * My God, he does look like you, Will! Although his head is a wee bit smaller methinks :P … -whistle- &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You know what they say about first impressions... my immediate reaction when someone mentions Meat Loaf is "low-down cheap little punk taking everyone for a ride." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sceptre (talk • contribs) 15:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That was funny. :P &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  16:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC) I'm almost afraid to ask what peoples' mental picture(s) of me is (are), at this rate! :P

I knew it!



 * What the hell?!? &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  21:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Girl's Name might get it :P (Give me a break, I've got a lot on my mind) (Coxian (the adjective, not the combination of the last name) nickname inspired by your apparent "Lassie" nickname and the fact that JD did first base with Rowdy...) Will (talk) 22:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Enough Scrubs, but I am in Doctor Who withdrawal...K. Lásztocska 03:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I spent the entire past two weeks watching all 120-something episodes. :P Will (talk) 11:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Digwuren's RfAr has closed
Requests for arbitration/Digwuren.

The fallout from this will be quite fun to watch. Should bring the bickering down quite a bit. Will (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oooh, and I've just fixed the style of your page so it works in IE7. Will (talk) 15:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I wonder how long it's going to be until Anonimu officially falls under the sanctions of the RfAr. If he did today, I'd say his current behaviour, especially his ownership of his talk page, would get him banned by Christmas. Short of that, the only way you can get someone banned is by making polemic posts on Wikipedia Review in their name (serously). Will (talk) 18:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Come now, I'm not going to sink to that level. Besides, he doesn't need my "help" to look like a disruptive, obnoxious hindrance to the entire project. My admitted cabalmates, however, seem to have no interest in pursuing formal action against our constant tormentor, and frankly I have better things to do with my time too. So I dunno what to do. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 18:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey sceptre, stop caring about me so much, or some people may get strange ideas. ;)Anonimu 18:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * He's just trying to protect me...as if I needed a knight in shining armor... ;-) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 18:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's good to see that there are still people who don't try to use you in their evil plans...Anonimu 18:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "Use" me? But I'm the mastermind behind it all! Hadn't you figured that out yet, or was my groupie ploy more effective than I thought? :P :) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 18:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * But that would mean you care more about Romania than about Hungary. You should be careful about saying this in public, or some of the descendents of the connationals of your ancestors may consider you a traitor... I heard they used to break people on the wheel for such things...Anonimu 19:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, no no no, you've got it all wrong. See, my plan is to destabilize Romania, then when you're all too busy bickering to notice, my elite special cabal of Hungarian hussars will storm in and retake Transylvania. It all makes sense now, doesn't it? (besides the fact that I have way too much time on my hands today, I mean...) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 19:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * My chain mail is rusty, and keeps warning me hotmail is running out of space and keeps trying to sell me oestrogen pills. Will (talk) 19:22, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Only your armour would do that! :P Are you trying to say, Lastochka, that you're going to essentially re-create what was once the Austro-Hungarian Empire—without Austria? World War I solved both those problems by the way. :P Well, kind of. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  16:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And thanks a lot. Because of this, I'm now imaginging you as Magenta from Rocky Horror. Will (talk) 17:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Spring: excuse me, but just what problems did the Treaty of Trianon "solve"? Do you know what the Transylvanian Hungarians had to suffer through during Ceausescu's rule? Do you know what happened to the Slovakian Hungarians with the passing of the Benes Decrees? Do you know what happens to ethnic Hungarians even today in northern Serbia? No, I do not advocate an all-out return to pre-Trianon borders, but the current borders are no more just than the old ones.
 * Will: Transylvanian maybe, transvestite no. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 18:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Happy anniversary
51st anniversary of the Hungarian Revolution, and 1st of FA promotion, that is. Also, an opportunity for a bit of a canvass! Biruitorul 01:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

56 again
Yes, that was a truly worthy moment - a tangible accomplishment. Not to imply that the Wikipedia itself isn't a worthy cause - but its so incremental, certainly lacks dramatic triumph, - if something *does* go red-hot (i.e. interesting) sadly it's usually something destructive; whereas our (incl. others') rushing that article to decency and beyond not only served the wiki's goal but also came at the perfect time to honour people who, lets face it, did one of the bravest (maybe foolish - its hard to tell) things in the 20th century. I would like to think that there is at least one 56-os veteran somewhere in the world happy that 56 was up as featured on its 50th anniversary...
 * BTW, your toast "A szabadságra, Magyarországra és az ötvenhatosok emlekére" puts your big heart in the right place. üdv István 21:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

You wait years for a mention of the Belarusian male ballet team on TV then two come at once...
Related to this discussion somewhat, I was watching Spooks the other night (or to you on the other side of the pond, MI-5) when an (anti-American) character said the origins of the covert (anti-American) organisation was the '56 revolution. I think the BBC were having a little bit of fun by scheduling that episode on October 23rd. (Remember, they've somehow coincidentally scheduled date-relevant TV episodes before...) Will (talk) 02:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

RfC filed
I have filed an RfC about Anonimu's conduct, and as I cite you near the bottom, I hereby request your signature in the "Users certifying the basis for this dispute" section. Biruitorul 21:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your signature, and I look forward to your statement. I hope (...) things can remain civil. Things really are spinning out of control, so I was impelled to take this course of action. Biruitorul 04:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * spinning out of control? No way.  The only "out of control" that will happen is if you allow your nemesis to put you in the dock alongside him (or if you climb up there yourself). István 16:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone endorse the summaries? Because I would like to. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  16:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, OK. I didn't think of that. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  16:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. Actually, my remarks are in no way any warning away from taking part, but rather to be careful not to put yourself on trial along with Mr A. You are quick to mea culpa, and hold yourself to higher standards than you hold others. Endearing, yes, but in this case invites muddle. Now Im off to partake of some opium of the masses... István 17:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

István, are you Catholic or Protestant? I have a strange fascination with Hungarian Protestantism, but Catholicism there is quite interesting too. KL: things are going according to plan (picture an evil mastermind sinisterly doing something like this), so I don't anticipate your help being urgently needed; even I have drawn back as the process has taken on a life of its own. Ah, our poor, neglected story. Yes, I'll get to that..soon. Biruitorul 23:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe so maybe not, it just seems too "pat" a chain of events (all within hours) - one could easily quack and waddle for 10 edits to pass for a duck, especially a well-known one, if that is one's intent. It was indeed B's mistake to not tag the page, but he has done that operation many times, and if there's a history of not bothering to do that (that's a great argument for admins sticking to procedure) and some people *do* have a flair for manipulating things.... it will probably be unprovable, and at this point utterly pointless anyway. István 03:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Support
Despite our past mischief, I'm counting with your full support, in case full support is needed. I asked the same from Dahn. The bitch comment was made with love. Now, let's not put on a puppy-face and make up. Thanks. --Thus Spake Anittas 21:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, you will not get that "full support" from me. I have friends from Wallachia and I don't give my "full support" to people who habitually deride them as sub-human. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 21:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: I have extended the hand of friendship to Lasto and she bit it. I have done all I could. --Thus Spake Anittas 21:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't, and you bet your bottom damn I'm proud I haven't done all I could: I haven't called her names or treated her like dirt. Usually there's not much you can learn from me, but that's one of them. It serves you right, and then some, that your hand got bit, considering you were the one shoving it down her throat. Have fun at WP:RfC/Anomimu. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, whatever you say, stranger; altough I have to disagree with the dirt part. All I wanted to say is that I did what I could to make things better. --Thus Spake Anittas 22:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, better for yourself. Look somewhere else for your mercenaries.<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 22:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Anittas, you are no stranger to me, and you know I am no stranger to you. You have been on this page before—a page which I have made a grand total of 162 edits to. "…make things better"? Even if you have caused Lastochka only a trivial amount of stress, I guarantee you've caused her more stress than you have yourself good feelings. Lastly, calling someone names is essentially treating them like dirt. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:54, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've seen you post on this talkpage, btu other than that, I don't know you. --Thus Spake Anittas 07:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * And I've said it before, seeing as you got banned by Jimbo for an attack image, and you continue incivilities, I don't really see how you can be trusted, Anittas. Will (talk) 23:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I was never blocked for not being trustful, so in that area I guess we're equal. --Thus Spake Anittas 07:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * …especially looking at the fact you have been blocked eleven times, and neither Will or I have been blocked, ever… &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  23:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Who taught you how to count? ;) --Thus Spake Anittas 07:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Anittas: get the hell off my talk page. I just had one of the most miserable days ever in real life, and bickering with you is the very last thing I need right now. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 08:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, as you wish. I respect your wish, even without a disclaimer. --Thus Spake Anittas 08:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 12:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Here, Lastochka, have some tea. I'm sorry I haven't any for the intruder, but he might not want to drink the kind of tea I might offer him. :) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  19:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * (just re-indenting here...) Mmm...tea. Yummy. That's one habit I picked up from all the Russians I used to hang around that I'll probably never kick: total tea addiction. :) Aw, István, I liked the cartoon...sure you can be the horse, if you don't mind the damsel in distress patting your nose... ;-) Man, this is a strange cabal I've got here... <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 21:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That makes two who likes tea. I'll be the railroad tracks - the Mountie looks more like Cliff and I'm not comfortable in a dress. Will (talk) 21:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahem, just who got the tea in the first place, Will? :P Actually, though, this looks more like me—and the fact that I uploaded it is coincidence. ;) May I add that I shave much more regularly than the bloke in the picture does &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  23:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've said it before - that guy just screams "DUDDEEEEEE!". Will (talk) 23:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * With his mouth closed :P &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  23:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Happy Halloween

 * Ooh, don't be a witch. You'll give them the satisfaction :/ Will (talk) 22:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Satisfaction to who, my conservatory-mates? THEY don't think I'm a filthy Hungarian ultranationalist in league with Muntenian pigs and Romanian fascists...and I'm not really a witch anyway, I'm basically a fangless vampire. Whatever I am, I look utterly ridiculous right now. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 23:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * But if they were to know, the fallout would be terrible but magnificent. Still, fangless vampire sounds better. Will (talk) 23:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you ever gone to an orchestra rehearsal in full costume? More to the point, have you ever tried to play the violin in a cape? :-) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 02:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No but I have played the guitar with a backpack and a heavy jacket on—now that was hard. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ooh, fun. Will (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oooo… &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:48, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparently, I need to be shot. Will (talk) 11:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL! I haven't had any funny (?) vandalism come my way in so long, I've nearly forgotten that which has…I'll find some eventually. Most of it's just dumb…:/ &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  15:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for making this old man proud
— the old man in the picture, that is — by going through this guy's biography, at least half-heartedly. More power to you. Jonyungk 03:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Featured Articles and such
Take a look at today's featured article's talk page. Note the lack of archives. Not that its a bad article - its well written, but to think of all the toothpulling we had to contend with for the 56 article...BTW my flag is down now - my new userpage is dedicated to you. If you are in Budapest at night (say, 5:10 am on Nov 4), have had one too many to drink, and walk from the Pest side of the Danube out onto the Lánchíd about 50 meters past the lion and look to the left, and squint (so hard you don't notice the Erzsébet híd) that is roughly what it might look like (except for the foreground stuff) István 04:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * ...hey, please dont take my study-first comments TOO seriously - you can do with your time as you choose (and we like to see you here) I was just trying to help, making wild guesses, wearing out my own soapbox a little. As for Szigeti, I will take a look at it and give you my opinion, however I think there are a few others equally if not better qualified to do so than I. István 13:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, violin, piano, editing and singing too? You're a quadruple-threat!  Please see my Szigeti comment on its talk page.  I'll only make minor edits right now, if any. BTW I would have quite a few pre-FAC recommendations. István 16:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, I didn't know you took the picture that's on your page
Nice camera. ;) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  19:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Meh, just any old Canon Powershot. Didn't you mean "Nice talent for photographic composition and excellent use of angles to capture perfectly the drama and pathos of the memorial?" ;-) :P <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 00:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh of course. :P I also meant "nice camera that you've got that's similar to mine, and that's why it's nice". :P Also, I love this—love love love love love love it. :D &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  05:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Sure settles the nationality debate, doesn't it? :P Oh, and that famous comet that appeared on the night of his birth, that all the gypsies went a little nuts about? Obviously that was Liszt's spaceship crash-landing. Oh my God, this is starting to sound like a bad episode of Doctor Who. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 05:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Eh, it's better than Timelash. :P (Also, my photos are crappy : Will (talk) 11:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * That's even more crazy then the humourous cool-down attempt by Schissel (? I think it was him) and I saying he was Chinese, or Tasmanian aborigine. :P


 * Will, at least you point-and-click. Better than I do ;) And your pictures are awesome, and I mean totally pwning top-notch cool! I wish I had gone to Baker Street when I was in London (to long ago to do anything about that). I've been to the Eye though. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  23:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I was only at Baker Street to change trains. Will (talk) 14:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Um, don't take this personally, guys, but once your conversations get THIS off-topic (and you start just talking to each other), would you mind not doing it on my talk page? I keep seeing "you have new messages" and thinking it might be something important, but then it's just you two chatting... <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 14:16, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry 'bout that. Will (talk) 14:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No worries. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 16:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. Will—Google or User talk:Springeragh next time, at least if it looks like it's straying away. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  23:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Yay!
Will (talk) 21:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Come now, no need to gloat. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 23:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Still, it's about time. It would take a large amount of restraint on my part to not block someone who called any of my friends "bitch" or worse. If they were lucky they would get an "only-warning" template. &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  01:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I fully sympathise with Rlesve when he said "continued incivility for two years, broke an agreement with Jimbo, and still you say the indef block was unwarranted? No wonder we have so many problems in this area.", though. It's about time. Will (talk) 08:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly sobbing at the dock bitterly watching his ship (nuclear rowboat) disappear over the horizon...we're better off not having to deal with his obnoxiousness. People rightly pointed out that he was a productive contributor, but for me his incivility outweighed his productivity. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 15:02, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I should have Rlesve write my speeches from now on. ;) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  16:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, what comes around, goes around. I don't cry either, but must note that A. was not the worst guy on the Wiki, just one with incredibly poor judgement (he is likely very young): posting that anti-Jimbo cartoon on the wiki, breaking his civility pledge, backing Anonimu, using personal invective, i.e. "bitch" and another to make that ethnic slur on "muntenians" - which IMHO was the least of these transgressions (its like poking at "Scowsers" in the UK or "Okies" in the USA) -bad form to be sure, but one hears it - even outside of Old Trafford.  Sorry KL, didn't you say you supported FC Liverpool? ;-) and then the most hamfisted, left-footed attempt to "seed" evidence with the whole "I wash my hands" spiel on this very page...  Most Westerners can't see through the prism of the Central European idea of civility and its certainly better that way; this is English wikipedia and its best we don't allow civility standards to be "interpreted" downward.  I neither laugh nor cry. István 17:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I think his Muntenian comments went a little beyond terrace banter, but I can see your point. :) (And yes, I'm a proud Liverpool fan, albeit a somewhat dismayed one this season.) ;-) I think he was pretty obnoxious even by Central European standards (although you certainly are more qualified to comment on that than I am!) but whatever... <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 17:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Wait a minute István...you're not a Man United fan, are you?? ;-)


 * Oh lord, if he was, you better disown him ;) Will (talk) 18:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * …was? &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  18:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No! Not my István! <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 19:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * First off, please calm down - Im not. I was however, in a downtown Manchester hotel the night Liverpool beat AC Milan to win the Champions' League.  Like many, I switched off at halftime (probably over to the Simpsons on Sky) and then back very late in the match- I remember how stony silent the city was both during and after the match; everyone watching, no-one emoting - no car horns or shouts.  I suppose the mixed feelings were tough for Mancunians to grapple with (you'd think that chattel slavery...oh fugetaboudit) - but no, I had not more than a vicarious interest.  (Great match though) As for A.'s ethnic dig, I don't excuse it either, just putting it into perspective as I think the "she dog" comment and the broken promise were worse. István 19:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha--I wouldn't care if you were, just a bit of terrace banter. ;-) But DAMN, yes, I remember that match soooo clearly--absolutely friggin' unbelievable. My dad told me a story once about being in Norway on the night that they beat Brazil in the World Cup and even the normally staid Norwegians were pouring into the streets screaming and singing like lunatics. :)
 * I remember the game too - I was at a racecourse for the first 45 minutes and was really unhappy when they were 3-0 down. Then on the way home, the whole car went mental as one, two, then three goals went in. It was epic. Also, the Scandinavian street-crazyness - reminds me of Finland's reaction to Lordi winning Eurovision last year. Will (talk) 19:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, good Lord (no pun intended), let's not get into the Eurovision...talk about another can of worms! ;-) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 19:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, at least Hungary got 99 more points than the UK this year (though Ukraine really should've won, stupid bloc voting grumble) Will (talk) 20:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You guys watch that?! Dahn 20:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, mostly to gripe about how bad it is. :) (Allow me to publicly register my intense disappointment that Magdi chose to sing the English version of her song rather than the infinitely more poetic Hungarian.) I'll reply to your post on the real issues in a while, but right now I'm supposed to be writing a paper on Enescu and some program notes for a Bartók piece. Back later. :) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 20:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Good :) Back on topic, I don't like any ethnic slur. I believe the British equivalent would be the word "Paki", and given the number of actual South Asian friends I have (West Yorkshire has a reputation for having a relatively high proportion (and its chavs, so the word's flung around somewhat)), I abhor any use of that word. Same goes for any other slur, actually. Because it's basically saying there's something wrong with a complete ethnic type, which is total bullshit. Will (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Allow me to intrude. From my perspective, both of you (KL and István) are right about Anittas. Indeed, most of his posts about Muntenians were of the "Okie" type - though, strangely, the more usual and stereotypical equivalent of an "Okie" in Romania is the Moldavian. For example, use Bucharesters the word sârma ("the wire") as a condensed and biting reference to Moldavians. This is because Moldavians supposedly flocked to big cities in the south, Bucharest first and foremost, and trains were so crowded (or they were so poor/cheap) that they traveled in large groups on top of moving trains. The story goes that the ones in the front would give a shout out to the others to keep low whenever the train would pass under a cable. This is the type of rather childish jokes that Romanian in various regions make about each other.

Some of the comments he made in this key were mildly irritating, some were mildly amusing, some were partly true (to the measure where a stereotype can be said to take inspiration from reality). It was pesky enough when he started branding people, assessing them by their stated or supposed origin, and intervening in communication to attack users based on their origin. To this, Anittas added racialism - for eons, he's been proposing that Muntenians are a different race - and eventually racism - stating that the race in question is inferior. The statements that got him banned were not the only ones he made in this highly inflammatory and immoral nature: long before, on Bogdan's talk page, he had stated that people from Muntenia, Oltenia and Banat were "the most criminal people on Earth" (I took him to AN/I back then, but I did not follow through - to give him one more chance).

Yes, this pattern of behavior is widespread in Central Europe, and probably even more widespread in countries like Romania, where even the most neutral of academic discourses has been known to degenerate into outrageous insults. Romanian wikipedia is, in many ways, a hellhole - despite the good intentions of some genuinely good administrators. On enwiki as well, there are various Romanian editors who, after years of editing, seem not to have a clue about what this project is all about. This is not something that should be tolerated: it was high time that admins realized how disruptive this can get and do something about it. Overall, Anittas was not a bad guy, but he was using this project to introduce and popularize his ideas. Aside from the endless flame wars he started, the man also added very questionable stuff to mainspace. For example, he created articles that he knew were going to get deleted, just to aggravate users whom he thought of his adversaries, and made an edit in one article just to say how he felt about Muntenians.

I also have to disagree with István about Anonimu's edits in general. Yes, he has been known to be extremely disruptive and insulting at times, but he generally understands and obeys the rules. Although his extremely stubbornly behavior can cause a lot of damage when he refuses to accept reliable sources that contradict his opinions, it has proven a moderating factor when he was dealing with disruptive users on the other side of the political divide (some of whom have since parted with this project, due to well-deserved admin intervention). The one or two articles I've seen him start from scratch were rather well-balanced and interesting, and, at the very least, his bias is occasionally a breath of fresh air (in comparison to the tiresome and spurious nationalist bias of the type that has flooded ro wiki). Dahn 20:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Anonimu
I've requested arbitration with regards to Anonimu's incivility. The request can be found here. Will (talk) 02:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I just saw it, thanks. (Could this be the last sailing of the nuclear rowboat fleet? OK, OK, no, I'm not bringing that up again...) ;-) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 02:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Too late, I already did :P I'll tell Cliff about it as well when he replies to the email I've sent him (if he hasn't found out already. Will (talk) 02:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * At least this time I'm not the one tied to the mast. :P <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska 02:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Tell me, why was the rowboat nuclear? Because of the weapons, fuel, or the fact it heavily irradiated everyone? Will (talk) 02:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I hope you get what you ask for, Will. (Anonimu not the ship :P) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * A TARDIS? Don't think the AC can give me that ;) Will (talk) 13:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Audio clips
Have you looked at this article? There is some very useful software described there, along with some general information about how to add audio clips. If you need more help, feel free to get in touch :) Papa November (talk) 00:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:Arbitration
Veteran... eh :) Based on my experience with two or three arbitrations, opening may take a week or two, and the case itself - up to three months. Yes. Fun. Btw, don't forget that you can ask questions of ArbCom candidates and elections will start very soon.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:56, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Tőkés
A frightening prospect, though bad is good in my barmy mindset. Anyway, I've been avoiding talking to you out of embarrassment over my slow fiction-writing pace, but hopefully that will be rectified soon. Biruitorul (talk) 13:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Barmy"??

Requests for arbitration/Anonimu
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Anonimu/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Anonimu/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, David Mestel(Talk) 18:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Scary :/
I've posted on your talk page more than anyone else. Gotta stop it with the DW injokes :S Will (talk) 19:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Pff, that's nothing. Just look at the history of István's talk page. You'd think people would assume I was his groupie, not Biru's...<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 22:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, you've posted on Biru's talk more... and I've posted on yours more than you on either Istvan or Biru :P. Also, I can guess the articles you're trying to FA/GA: Szigeti, Liszt, 56 Revolution and Thalberg, ja? Will (talk) 22:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oi, blame the nuclear rowboats for my disloyalty to István! ;-) Um, and one too many late nights/lazy Saturdays spent aimlessly bickering about Székely autonomy. Pretty good on the FA/GA deduction, though all the Thalberg nonsense was just my incessant wars with that German musicologist fellow (who seems to have tired of us, thank goodness.) I really don't give a toss what happens to that article--and I'm also planning to get Béla Bartók a place in the sun sooner or later. Folk music of the Hungarians is a long-term massive project I've got my eye on for the future...<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 22:42, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, Saturdays. My personal favourite of the eight days of the week. LOTR with ice cream, sports, and a nice night out :) (speaking of sports, I'm rather depressed right now :( Will (talk)
 * Tell me about it! At least you didn't lose to friggin' Moldova!! (At least the Czechs are still in, I've always liked them...though did you hear about Milan Baros' escapade with a Ferrari and a long stretch of open road? ROFL) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 22:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. It kind of sums up England, doesn't it? Having to rely on two small countries to get qualification... still, no shame in losing to Croatia, though I think it was silly to put Carson out for that match. And our roads are more jammed, leading to less sportsmen getting caught speeding. Will (talk) 23:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently he was going something like 270 kph...I don't know whether I'd sooner slap him or buy him a drink!! ;-) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 23:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Now I know you wouldn't be able to do that on England's roads. I think the maximum I've ever heard a car to go is 155mph (250), and that was a copper on the M50 in the dead of night... 23:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sceptre (talk • contribs)
 * Does watchlisting count? (because you answer posts here) Will (talk) 16:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Mmph. I see. (Incidentally, I advise you to keep somewhat of a low profile on the Anonimu case, as your only involvement in East-European topics has been arguing with him. It makes you look like an attack dog (as Anittas might have said.) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 16:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, El C did have a point with that. I still don't see what the RfC MFD has anything to do with Anonimu other than the fact that the constant bitching between sides in his RfC was the last straw. RfC's had that problem for a long time. Will (talk) 16:49, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not too worried about El C per se (just look at his userpage and you'll know why he's defending Anonimu) just kind of a general thing. I mean no offense whatsoever by this, but you are an "outsider" in these huge Eastern European wiki wars...it just looks a little sketchy, is all. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 16:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I know about what's on his userpage. Still, I have kept a low profile on EE unless they appear on RC - and my troll radar spikes when I see the words "Blacklisted user User:Foo edited page Bar". Still, if there's one thing I'll propose in the workshop, is that the "comment on content, not contributor" works both ways. Will (talk) 16:55, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, of course. I don't mean to tell you to butt out entirely, just tread carefully. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 17:00, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. That's actually the only thing I get involved with EE nowadays, edits coming up on RC. Example in case: <- that reeks of troll: relatively new user, just come off an block for edit warring in the same subject, trying to push a POV that's discussed later in the article, and reverting good faith changes instead of integrating them. Will (talk) 17:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And surprise surprise who it turned out to be... Will (talk) 21:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Fweh, 56 revolution is already an FA. Still, when you're bumping an article to G/FA, your edits do spike amazingly fast - 286 on a (failed) FLC, 203 on a FAC, 70 on a GA, and 46 on a FA (though someone did quite a bit of the work as well). Will (talk) 22:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

A star for you



 * Thanks! Is this like the Purple Heart for soldiers who get hit in the line of fire? ;-) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 03:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You bet. :) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  03:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! 4 Hungarians of 35 is indeed more than their share of the population. Then again, the UDMR came to within half a percentage point of being shut out entirely. I wish Herr Tőkés all the more success in 2009 (and in the 2008 parliamentary elections). More importantly, the European parliament is a parliament only in the loosest sense of the word (sort of like the Supreme Soviet) - no heckling is permitted, jokes are laughed at successively, as interpreters finish their translations, and the real games are played in the Commission and the Council (not to mention the ECJ). Ah well, let them have their fun; the whole edifice shows distinct signs of cracking. The collapse will be fun to watch. Biruitorul (talk) 13:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It will indeed be fun to watch--for once, a political issue I agree quite wholeheartedly with you on. :) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 17:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

By the way: note point 1 in the unblock request. Just doesn't give it up, does he? Well, another entry in the "failure to assume good faith" part of the Evidence section, I suppose. Biruitorul (talk) 13:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, "in praise of the heroes" is an approximate translation, but a cinsti often carries with it connotations of repaying or doing homage to a sacrifice. Which heroes? Well, November 30 and December 1 are both important days in Romanian history. On November 30, the Căpitan, the Decemviri and the Nicadori were assassinated, while on December 1, the Union of Transylvania with Romania took place. Had I written in green, that would have been an unambiguous reference to the former. I in fact had the latter in mind (indeed one finds many WWI monuments inscribed with the phrase: for instance, the one in Bran reads "Cinstire eroilor Branului" (In praise of the heroes of Bran)), but wanted to leave some ambiguity because I find charges of being a "philofascist" rather entertaining. Biruitorul 23:28, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, come on. The Magyar Party did pretty well for itself, Romanians were in the majority, Austria-Hungary lost the war, etc. But I admit, I am a provocateur. Biruitorul 03:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Wolf!
< hilarious Will (talk) 22:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * WTF?? Indeed, quite amusing! (But don't you think that was Bonny, not Anonimu?) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 22:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Who cares? It's still funny, and you can't lengthen an indef block :p Will (talk) 23:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, definitely provided a much-needed touch of humor to lighten a lousy afternoon..."Anonimul", sheesh. Hey Bonny, if you're reading this, nice one! ;-) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 23:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Your day was lousy? Who exactly got drawn against Croatia? ;) Will (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * ...and who barely has time to follow football anymore? I've been beating my head against the wall trying to write this stupid essay (in Russian--gah!) all afternoon...can't wait for Xmas vacation so I'll actually have time to write for Wiki again...<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 23:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, only four weeks until Christmas now... Will (talk) 23:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Satire. It's fun! :P (I loved Tintin when I was younger - I still do, but I see the political allegory now ;) ) Will (talk) 09:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Speaking of satire... Will (talk) 13:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If that guy was smart he'd be scary. Thank God he isn't. &mdash;  $PЯINGεrαgђ  15:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Budapest? Capital of ?
Hi there, I just thought you may find this interesting... ;-) --KIDB (talk) 11:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not entirely back, still a lot to do in real life. Only checking back sometimes. :-) "Bhoodast...   Budapest... I've never heard of that" :-) Cool... --KIDB (talk) 19:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, there is one good thing about your userpage colour scheme...
You won't have to decorate for Christmas :P. Ah, but seriously, doing user pages is always kind of peaceful for me... I don't know why, though, but it's good. So now my userpage is coloured according to my status. It's like chocolate less the calories (and I needed to do something to counteract the boredom of reverting betacommandbot to inflate my edit count because it malfunctioned). Oh, and this happens to be my 200th edit to your talk page. I really should post less :) Will (talk) 00:14, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The solution :P &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  05:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

What cracked me up was the simple fact that "Eih bennek, eih blavek!" looks like somebody's attempt at bogus Hungarian (and fits the refrain of a raucous hussars' song I happen to know rather well.) And then the Habsburg-ish eagles...kind of like something from The Good Soldier Svejk. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 06:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Blame the cartoonist that died 25 years ago then :P Will (talk) 12:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Myth, oh myth...
(...yeth?) Thanks for the note. Cant do much now, as the real world has me on the end of its bullwhip. Mythology was never my strong suit, but I know there are those on this wiki who could tell you everything about it and more (that's the trouble is getting them to stop and say something like "you know we really dont know for sure about xyz...") (Beware mythology experts who are never in doubt about anything)  Ive heard some (literally) incredible stories - it seems mythology is a magnet for them, and you have to pick though a lot of bones to get to the truth. But yes it can be incredibly interesting sometimes. Im not going to be around for awhile due to real world demands but will check in sometimes so leave a note if something breaks, like if you or a caballero run for admin István 02:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Rock bands, and their lack of humour
If you don't know about it already (unlikely): The Lost Christmas Eve - track 16. And yes, it is an adaptation, or at least, WMP thinks so. Will (talk) 22:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Black ribbon
It's because one of our editors, hu:User:Bader died a few days ago. He was a professor at the University of Miskolc, one of our most knowledgeable editors in subjects like physics, etc. and the whole community is mourning him. He was only 62 years old. – Alensha   talk  15:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Anonimu
This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Anonimu is banned from editing Wikipedia by the Arbitration Committee for a period of one year, to run concurrently with the existing indefinite community ban. This notice is given by a Clerk on behalf of the Arbitration Committee. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas


Hello to Hungary from Polish border! I wish you a Merry Christmas and all the best in the new year. - Darwinek (talk) 12:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear KL, have a merry Christmas and a very happy New Year! :) – Alensha   talk  20:10, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks and, mindful of paragraph 4 here, Merry Christmas. The Romanian Orthodox Church uses the new (Gregorian) calendar, so December 25, except the Old Calendarists, for whom I have a lot of sympathy, who use the old (Julian) calendar and thus January 6 for Christmas. Besides Old Calendarists (who also exist in important numbers in Bulgaria and Greece), the Orthodox churches that use the old calendar are those of Jerusalem, Russia, Serbia, Georgia, and Ukraine. Biruitorul (talk) 06:49, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * And a very merry Christmas to you too! All the best...(I wish I had more time for this!) István (talk) 06:30, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

KL, allow me to join in: Merry Christmas to you, and to each and all guys who submit daily to this page! Dahn (talk) 08:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)




 * Thanks guys! I have the best cabal ever! :) Much love to all, <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 16:43, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Merry Christmas from me - sorry about being late, I'm occupied between stuff at home and dealing with a problem article. Will (talk) 16:57, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

LOL
I never saw that. It's funny though. :) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  05:14 23 December, 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's me as half grumpy language-editor, half nerdy musicologist. :) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 17:19, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It's kind of like my sense of humour, only more obvious in some ways and more subtle in others. (Mine is more obvious because I—obviously—use a lot of sarcasm. In case you couldn't tell. :P) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  04:40 24 December, 2007 (UTC)

Merry Xmas
I wish you a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! -- R O  <tt> A M A  T  A A </tt> |<font style="color:blue;background:yellow;"> msg  17:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Your Christmas Gift
Score! Good luck. I feel rotten that I cant really put any serious time into Wikipedia for a while. I hope you don't feel let down. Let me know if that's a good read, and if you plant to put it up on eBay afterward. István (talk) 03:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

De ce modifici stimate ungur?
care-i motivul pentru care ai modifical ce-am scris eu, lamureste-ma. Adrianzax (talk) 19:21, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but what makes you think I can understand that? <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 22:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Only this, it is written on your front page : Acest utilizator poate contribui în română la un nivel de bază.Adrianzax (talk) 23:27, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That's a slight overstatement...I know VERY little Romanian. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 00:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I love the edit summary of that edit to your userpage. ;) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:56 27 December, 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, is it just me who thinks it's a bit suspicious for this guy to make a sudden rush of edits today, all on potentially controversial articles? o_O Will (talk) 01:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Obnoxious yes, suspicious no. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 02:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, man, you gotta love his perseverance... What he wrote here translates as "[title:] Why do you keep modifying[,] honorable Hungarian? [body of text:] what is the reason why you modified ["modifiel" in the original] what I wrote, enlighten me." Dahn (talk) 05:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * He acts as if there are only three people who disagree with him, even though no one has yet agreed with him and he has not yet really agreed with anyone. I'm very suspicious of this guy. In fact, quite frankly, I am considering reporting him for vandalism. How disappointing to make one little comment after a long absence, then immediately have to deal with all this! Anyway, Dahn, foarte mulţumesc and thanks a lot for translating that for those of us who are not so proficient in Romanian. (Good grief, my Romanian is really rusty, and it's high time I brushed up!) --Kuaichik (talk) 05:34, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, BTW, K. Lásztocska, I don't think "ro-1" was "bullsh[i]t." You speak a little Romanian, just like I speak a little Romanian. Does that mean we understand an entire plea in Romanian?!? If anyone was at fault there, it sure wasn't you. That's how I see it. --Kuaichik (talk) 05:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dahn! (Sheesh, at least he called me "honorable" Hungarian.) Kuaichik, umm, but my Romanian is actually pretty close to non-existent. I know a couple of useful phrases and can belt out a few O-Zone songs (*cringes as entire edifice of musical respectability comes crashing mightily down*), but that's it. My ro-1 box was pure and simple wishful thinking. :-) (The cs-1 box, however, is true, and the hu-1 box will be hu-2 or even hu-3 by summer, mark my words!!!) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 05:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I would say that pretty much describes my current proficiency in Romanian, too. Perhaps it is even more true of my proficiency in Hungarian! I'm surprised you consider yourself only a "basic" speaker of Hungarian. You know a heck of a lot more than I do!! Or else I've been out of touch with both Hungarian and Romanian in Real Life for way too long.
 * My only salvation with Romanian is the fact that I know some other Romance languages, so I can sometimes guess what a word/phrase means. But only sometimes! (Usually, I first give up and read the translation.)
 * And I wish I knew Czech so well, *grumble grumble grumble*...:-D --Kuaichik (talk) 05:59, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, no prob. Kuaichik: rusty it may be, but judging by two words you use above, your Romanian is very elegant (a slightly old fashioned but certainly expressive way of gluing "foarte" to "mulţumesc"). Your language skills have amazed me before, but I know you have superpowers. Lastochka: well, yeah, but it was actually "honorable Hungarian man" :). Dahn (talk) 06:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I probably should keep my mouth shut, but I cannot resist putting my 2 cents in. If we are to deconstruct down to the most minute detail that masterpiece of a message, let us note that the user said "ungur," which is the male form of the word Hungarian; "stimate," which I would translate as "esteemed" (close to, but not quite the same as Dahn's translation), has the corresponding declension.  Now, if one were to use the feminine form of the construct, one would properly say, "stimată unguroaică". Either way, both constructs are a bit odd, and rather unusual, to my ear at least. But then again, I don't have a ro box (not even a ro-1!), so who am I to say?  Turgidson (talk) 06:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Tee hee! Dahn, should I have said "Mulṭumesc foarte" instead? (In Romani, anyway, it would be Najis Tuke but, which is the same order and literally means something like "Thanks to you very." And I learned that expression here on Wikipedia, too!). Turgidson, I don't have a ro box, either! (Well, then again, I chose not to have any boxes...but I don't list Romanian as one of those languages I might be fluent in!). Anyway, I wish everyone lačhi rjat (Romani), noapte bunǎ (Romanian)...*looks up Hungarian* jó éjszakát, and good night! --Kuaichik (talk) 06:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Turgidson: Indeed (about the gender issue, we seem to have brought into the conversation at exactly the same time...). The implied marginalization aside (why would someone bring one's nationality into a conversation about editing wikipedia?), the message we translated in turns just screams "I'm parochial". Maybe I'm just imagining this, but it's like a totemic situation where a "what" becomes a "who". In fact, it reminds me of this Colgate commercial where two overenthusiastic tourists greeted an animated beaver with the words "Hello, Mr. Beaver!" Either they don't know his name, which would make it acceptable for people who have not met previously to call each other "Mr. Human", or they do know it, but prefer not to use it (kinda like using "boy" in Dixie).
 * Kuaichik: I guess my reply was a bit confusing. You see, your variant was correct, and the grammatical order was correct. However, most Romanians would not use "foarte" and "mulţumesc" any longer, but would go for something like "mulţumesc mult" ("I thank a lot", "thanks a lot") or "mulţumesc frumos" ("I thank nicely", "nice thanks" - idiomatic, though, because "frumos" is literally "beautiful"). Afaict, "foarte mulţumesc" is only used by very old people or by descendants of people who left Romania a long time ago and by some younger people in more linguistically conservative areas. Although, come to think of it, I myself almost never use it, I genuinely think it is a shame that people have forgotten it, because it has a poetic touch. Well, I've bored you enough. In any case: good night. Dahn (talk) 06:55, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * (Yep, I had a multiple edit conflicts there, before I could post.) I wish I had the right term for this kind of expression—sounds like "la mişto" to me, but how to translate that?  (There is "Irish blarney", but that's different.)  And, "mulţumesc foarte mult" would be both a literal translation of "thank you very much", and of current usage, no?  Turgidson (talk) 07:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Romani people
Hi, I've been reverting Adrianzax's edits for the past couple of days, on this article as well as on Dom people. I'm at work and don't have the time to file a WP:3RR report, but I think it's about time for that. Your thoughts? Dchall1 (talk) 17:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, Dchall, I've reported him on AN3 for you. Will (talk) 18:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring
Hi. I noteiced that you are involved in reversions at Romani people. I would like to remind you that repeated reversions are unproductive, and eventually lead to blocks. If you would like to make a case for your edits, which have been reverted more than once, you may use the page Talk:Romani people, particularly the section Talk:Romani people. If you persist in editing the article before consensus is reached there, then I or another administrator will have to block your account until you agree to use the talk page to sort out disputes. Thank you for understanding. -GTBacchus(talk) 17:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I wasn't aware that reverting blatant trolling was considered "edit warring." I am an editor in exceptionally good standing; in contrast the gentleman I am reverting has proved himself to be dogmatic, conspiracy-minded and unwilling to listen to anyone's complaints or criticism. He has been warned several times and yet persists: I am not the one that needs to be blocked here. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 21:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Um... I'm not talking about "culprits", although if we're going to get officious, you're now making personal attacks. If you think the other editor needs to be blocked, then you should pursue that through the appropriate channels. If you can demonstrate that he's unwilling to edit collaboratively, I will be happy to block his account, but at the time of my earlier post here, he was the one using the talk page, and you were the one ignoring it. As a Wikipedian in good standing, you should be setting the example of the right way to deal with a content dispute. I've looked at the edits, and it's not immediately clear to me that what we're seeing is "blatant trolling". Even if it is, reverting it repeatedly is the wrong way to deal with it. We have processes set up so that you can avoid such back-and-forth edits, which clutter the page history and make it less useful. I strongly recommend that you demonstrate a clear consensus for your version on the talk page, explaining why one version is better than the other, and then make the edit. We have no deadline, so we have time to establish the case on the talk page and make the edit when the case for it is clear to passers-by. Do you wish to go back-and-forth, or to make one edit that sticks? There's a way to make that happen, and it doesn't involve repeated reversions. -GTBacchus(talk) 22:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Adrianzax has already been reported on 3RR, we are awaiting a decision on that front. I mean no offense with this honest question, but why are you involving yourself with this dispute? I don't pretend to be an expert on Romani people or their history and culture, but even I can see that the edits of Adrianzax are unadulterated nonsense. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 23:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * He was blocked by Slakr, and so was Dchall - I expect a warning for you is forthcoming, based on Slakr's reply :/ Will (talk) 23:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It'll be my first warning in a year and a half here--I'm not exactly going to lose sleep over it. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 23:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And for someone who edits actively in that scope of articles, that'd be a near miracle to keep a spotless record for that long. Will (talk) 23:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I dunno if I'm spotless (I've lost my temper a few too many times) but I've never broken any policies or been hauled before the admins. My forthcoming warning is due more to wikilawyering than to any severe wrongdoing on my part--but now I sound like some of my antagonists. Maybe I'd better do a tearful mea culpa and be done with it. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 23:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * To be honest, you actually did sound rather trollish. But everyone needs a good wikilawyer once in a while.Will (talk) 23:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just then, or in the actual debate? I am in a pretty grumpy mood today, I'll admit... <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 23:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The debate. But I'll let you off, it's Christmas, after all. Will (talk) 23:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Try being ill on Christmas and see what that does to your mood. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 23:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Never had the displeasure :/ Last Christmas and the weeks surrounding weren't nice, though. Will (talk) 23:49, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Please remember in the future that the three-revert rule is not an entitlement, but an electric fence, and that users may be blocked even if they don't technically exceed three reverts in 24 hours. Please pursue dispute resolution in the future. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 23:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

And replied to your email (I started replying before I got the en.wiki message). Will (talk) 00:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Lásztocska! I think GTBacchus's concerns are valid. I will try to explain everything very carefully and thoroughly to him, tonight if possible. --Kuaichik (talk) 03:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh? What the...Isn't Adrianzax already blocked? Or has the block already expired??? I'm confused. I'll have to try to figure out what the heck is going on before I do anything. --Kuaichik (talk) 03:52, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as I know he's blocked until tomorrow afternoon. Or is there mischief afoot?! <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 04:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I'm sorry. You're right. He has been editing after being blocked but only on his talk page, nowhere else. But I'm still going to try to figure out what to do. --Kuaichik (talk) 04:52, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

OK. I'm thinking of starting a Request for Comment for Adrianzax, but I guess I can only do this if/when he continues to show the same behavior now that his block has expired. --Kuaichik (talk) 06:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd report him straight to the admins--don't bother with all the formality of an RfC. Give him a few days and see if he shapes up--if he doesn't, we assume he's an unhelpful and unproductive non-contributor (a.k.a. "troll") and report him on ANI or something. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 06:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Szigeti
The article looks like its not far from FA callibre. Have you thought about putting it up FAC? thanks for the kind words btw István (talk) 04:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the only consideration for putting it up now is that there may be a more varied body of reviewers during the next 10 days than afterward (because of the holidays) but am not sure if that is pos or neg. Having a peer review is probably helpful.  No (real) need to rush. István (talk) 07:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

On doing the job right
You said: Actually, it brings to mind an old American saying: "if you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself." Yes, how true (and, by the way, I'm a big fan of proverbs and sayings); this is not only true when it comes to  contractors (I have a hunch the saying mostly refers to them :)), but to all sorts of other situations, including probably here at WP. Allright, let's keep that seed of an idea in mind, and see whether it germinates at some point, in the New Year.  Turgidson (talk) 23:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Romania
Hi - I saw your edit on Dahn's talkpage about something strange going on in the Romania pages. I'm afraid I might be the source (with my categorizing). Let me know if I am, because I just asked Dahn for help when I realized I was in over my head. Here's a copy of my request on his page in case you have comments too - "I'm working on a split of Category:Communes and villages in Romania because someone made a lot of stubs. I based some edits on previously created categories for communes, but I am not so sure that make sense now that I've looked at it more deeply. Do you think it would be better to make categories for communes, for localities, or for communes and villages? There are all three types in the category. Whatever is best, it should be done in a uniform way. I know I made a lot of edits already, but if you (and Romania wikiproject) think something else is best, don't worry -- I'm willing to change it all back. Looking forward to your opinion." Aelfthrytha (talk) 01:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's unfortunate, and I hope it goes away soon. Do you have any comments on the categorization issue? I'm not at all sure what to do, and I could use some other opinions. Aelfthrytha (talk) 01:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you get an e-mail from me? --Kuaichik (talk) 01:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Jesus, I've never had to deal with anything like that before. This is turning into something from Foucault's Pendulum! Alas, I was out of town these past days and I still cannot send emails from where I'm at. Yes, I do believe he is right to be concerned, especially given the area. I'll log in from a different location tomorrow, and will reply in full. Dahn (talk) 17:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Darn, I still did not get the time to reply - hopefully tomorrow. I'm glad the alarm sounded enlisted a proper reply up there. About the bluff: after what I've bumped into recently on another project, I tend to take these matters very seriously. I'm not saying I take the message for granted, but we don't want to find out that those who can talk the talk can also walk the walk. As far as the official response is concerned, one can at least expect apathy, if not outright discrimination. And yes, your other idea for an early response sounds good. I'm afraid there is not much more I can say without getting too specific, and unfortunately I have little advice to hand out - this situation is a first, and I can only hope it will not degenerate further. A bit more in a future email (hopefully coming soon). Dahn (talk) 21:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Not meaning to avoid the issue, and I'd gladly help if it is needed (to the best of my abilities). However, the quickest way is usually the best: I'm pretty sure he already knows who to contact in that (social and especially geographic) area, and he has probably considered it by now. As far as I can tell, the best thing to do is for him to let me know if there is anything in particular I can do. Dahn (talk) 01:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Who's "he"? If you don't want to be specific, I'll consider "Not you!" to be a perfectly satisfactory reply. (But if you do, well, go ahead! :-P) --Kuaichik (talk) 05:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Not you. Dahn (talk) 05:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. Noapte bunǎ :) --Kuaichik (talk) 06:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I got caught up in a helluvalot of stuff, and my access to email was extremely limited (I couldn't get to another computer with email access in time - the one I intended to use was broken, my own computer scree came crashing down, and Bucharest itself was under heavy snow when I planned to seek an alternative - not impracticable, but extremely annoying -, and, overall, I had very limited free time). If there's any new development, please let me know: I'll do my best to reach you this time around. Dahn (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

elegant plumage
Hi KL, sorry to have dropped that one in - In any case, I was simply re: "peacock words" and nothing more than reference to the female's toned-down plumage. Not bad - pihen - often good advice (nyugi) but not the meaning here. I hope your 2008 is off to a good start and you and yours are all in good health. (cant say the same for me/mine but we will pull through). Let me know if you would like some help on Szigeti. István (talk) 06:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Józef Piłsudski
Since you commented in the last round, please note that the nomination has been restarted. Thanks for the comments and edits so far! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

That guy
My, he sure has a lot of nerve. Not only are those IPs not mine, not only should he be exposed to a similar scrutiny (for his likely socks, as well as for being a likely sock), but those IPs were editing in areas I never was involved in. For example, that guy claims "All users are editing s[y]stematica[l]ly exactly the same thing [sic]" - I would like him to show where I edited "the same thing" as those IPs! Dahn (talk) 21:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Not only are the IPs not yours, but they're not anyone's in your country. Or geopolitical region. In fact, same ISP as your (Swallow's) friend the Thalberg/Liszt scholar. Will (talk) 22:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * More troublesome Germans? Goodness...<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 22:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You know who else had thumbs? Will (talk) 22:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Very troublesome germans, they are editing exactly the same thing as Dahn, evidences

1. Here

2. Here

3. Here

4. Here

strange isn't it? Btw, nice acting scene you guys did over here, how's weather in Berlin, Dahn? Adrianzax (talk) 00:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Adrianzax, I have left a message on the talk page for your request. Unless, as a result of your request or that message, an administrator shows any link between me and those IPs, the next such allegation you post anywhere on wikipedia will result in the following: a) my complaint for harassment at WP:AN/I; b) (if I'm allowed to speculate, and given your outstanding record of trolling and disruption in the few weeks since you joined us) very likely administrative consequences of the kind that is already familiar to you. Plus, I'm pretty sure if administrators were to carry out users checks among a group of edit warriors, the administrative consequences could just as well lead to an indefinite block there. Should I invite them to? Dahn (talk) 00:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Tell all the administrators to check my account dear Dahn and how am I the one who has outstanding record of trolling and disruption if my points of view were proven correct, shown by the fact that my edits remained in that articles and that neutral users agreed with my statements. Let's make a simple logical deduction. If my edits remained in those articles and were proven to be correct who were the ones who were disrupting and had an outstanding record of trolling ? Dont' answer that was a retorical question.  And my dear Dahn are you threaten me?Can this be qualified as Personal attack? I don't know i'm just asking...  You may have 5 barnstars in 1 year, but you haven't got the truth and the evidences... ... Happy collecting barnstars dear Dahn, good night :) Adrianzax (talk) 00:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Being right doesn't mean you weren't disrupting. Will (talk) 00:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Adrian: I have very little patience for you at this point. Get off my talk page and take your nonsense with you. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 00:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Article awesomeness
Writing FAs are fun. :) Will (talk) 23:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

chilling out
I love it!! István (talk) 22:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Finally getting some time to relax, eh? :-) I've been sooooo unproductive on here lately, it's kind of frustrating...the very last touches will hopefully be put on Szigeti next weekend or so, then it'll be up for FA...<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 04:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

RE: Szigeti
Sure thing! As far as reference formatting, here are some of the issues I spot: Basically, it's a lot of little formatting issues, which aren't as fun to deal with as writing content. :) While you're fixing the above, it may be a good idea to do an in-depth check of all the references so that they are properly and consistently formatted (stick to one citation style). Budding Journalist 06:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Inconsistency between abbreviating and spelling out "page(s)" ("page" vs. "pg.")
 * Some of your refs end with a period, some don't.
 * With Strings Attached is sometimes offset by quotes instead of italicized. It also alternates between "With Strings Attached, page..." and "Szigeti "With Strings Attached""
 * "From Russia To The West," <-- is this a book? If so, italics should be used instead of quotation marks.
 * Schwarz, Boris: 'Joseph Szigeti', Why single quotes?
 * "Szigeti on the Violin," (instead of ital)
 * In general, books should be italicized instead of enclosed within quotation marks.
 * www.andante.com/article/article.cfm?id=16698. Retrieved on June 25, 2007. Needs more info (author, date published, publisher, title, etc.).
 * Web links need retrieval dates.
 * Downes, Olin, <-- You use colons for all other full references after the author's name.


 * My sincerest congratulations! But... damn: GimmieBot did not give me a chance to vote! This was something I was just about to do, and thank you for taking my suggestions into consideration.
 * I have to apologize yet again for my tardiness in replying to your messages: as I think I mentioned before, I don't have email access from where the computer I own (I can check my email, but I cannot send messages), and the connection for the other computer I log in from now and then no longer works at all (or, at least, did not work back when I tried last time). Also, I took a rather long break from editing, especially since I had a very bad case of the flu. I am honored by your message, but I'm afraid there are some practical reasons why it would not be feasible (I can just picture the controversy); plus, as you yourself hinted, I don't really want the hassle that comes with it.
 * I want to expand on these issues in one message where I'll also let you in on some worrying goings-on, and I'm going to do this as soon as possible. Then again, Biru is pondering reentering the admin race! ;) Dahn (talk) 08:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * March, April - yes. Biruitorul (talk) 09:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Commiserations that I didn't get to vote, only to comment. Now you can become a member of the FA club ;) Will (talk) 22:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And congratulations from me as well, its the best page byfar of all the classical (sic) violinists - all the others will be benchmarking you. (BTW somehow I would be gratified to know that you were able to eke out some, any, bit of academic credit for your achievement) István (talk) 05:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

!
Congratulations! You did well. :) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  17:12 17 February, 2008 (UTC)

re
Yes, pour yourself into the work, create an inspiringly good article, even raise the standard for other musicians' articles, and get feedback about commas, italics and such - can drive a certain type of person nuts. Actually take it as a compliment, such feedback is almost surely well-meant and indicates there was really nothing substantially deficient. It only looks and sounds pinheaded.István (talk) 04:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Biru
Wow, he's on RFA? Supported. Now, to wait a week or two to nominate you so it doesn't look like we're promoting rabid nationalists all at once :P Will (talk) 09:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Now be careful, Will—if too many more gaps get filled in between now and about May, it will look like we've got a whole generation of Wikipedians trying to jump up at once! whether or not that's a bad thing, I don't care. :P &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:51 8 March, 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!...
...for updating my page (you are one of the very few that I would allow to do that) in time. Its very telling to see a Christmas Motif alongside the cockade - proof that Ive been out of the loop far too long (and away on business last week) HOWEVER, despite their onorous burden, things in the real world have taken an explosively positive turn and I hope to be back before too long.....too long.....István (talk) 13:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Saint Patrick's Day!
I and my Irish blood (yes!) thank you! I really needed that beer!! ;-) <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 04:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Liszt's "Gypsy" [insert noun here]
I just noticed your last edit to the Béla Bartók talk page and thought I'd leave a comment about Liszt here.

Sure, it may have been a mistake for some of his compositions to be considered "Gypsy," but according to Prof. Hancock, he was influenced by "traditional Romani compositions" (along with lots of other composers, e.g. Brahms, Dvorak, Enescu, Verdi...).

Also, Liszt's "Gypsy scale" (again according to Prof. Hancock) is "close to the original chromatic scale" (by which I assume he means the original Romani scale?), and it is identical to the bhairava scale used in Indian classical music. (In Indian music, the notes have their own names, too: sa, ri, ga, ma, pa, da, ni, sa. Prof. Hancock calls it bhairava, but more details can be found under swara, lit. "sound"). --Kuaichik (talk) 03:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess it depends on how you define "traditional." The "gypsy" fiddlers he probably heard during his childhood in Hungary would have been playing in a style that was a mixture of Romani and Magyar elements, and the style he evokes in his Hungarian Rhapsodies etc. is an urban, cosmopolitan style which combines the aforementioned Romani-Magyar mix with Austrian and German popular influence. So there definitely are Romani elements in there but it's probably a bit misleading/inaccurate to say he was influenced by "traditional Romani compositions." (I would go into more detail but I just got off a plane and I'm exhausted.) As for the "Gypsy scale," it's just harmonic minor with a raised fourth--hardly an uncommon scale, there is also an Arabic/Turkish maqam with the same pattern. Probably a good deal of cross-fertilization going on there to be sure.....gah, it's too late for ethnomusicology. More tomorrow. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 04:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * However, as Chief Vitalstatistix says, "Tomorrow never comes!" :-D --Kuaichik (talk) 05:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

jacques closeau
The wording on the Jacques Closeau photo on French People is not clear and feels... strange, like a joke. I left a comment on the talk page to ask about meaning and rewording it for non-french people and clarity --Enric Naval (talk) 14:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Too funny!!! Thanks for the poisson d'avril. Dionix (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * lol, it's 1st April. Damn you, in Spain it's 28 December for doing this sort of stuff, to commemorate the mass killing of babies in Massacre of the Innocents (click on the es: link and it brings you to an article about jokes, "inocentadas", done on that day). I keep forgetting every year about 1st April and then get surprised by american websites. Now you are telling me that also french use the same date :D --Enric Naval (talk) 17:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Haha, no worries. I can't believe I actually didn't notice Jacques Closeau being called a french national hero :D --Enric Naval (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Slovaks
You should perhaps read WP:MOVE before moving articles. Let me quote it for you:
 * In several cases, you should list pages that you want to have renamed / moved at Wikipedia:Requested moves, especially
 * * if you are unable to move the page because your account is too new
 * * if you are unable to move the page because the target page exists (and you need administrator help)
 * * if you believe the move might be controversial 
 * * if you are unsure about the best page name
 * In these cases, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves.

But why not to join your co-ethnics in their campaign instead of wasting time requesting a controversial move at the appropriate page and initiating a discussion about your proposal? Tankred (talk) 00:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * And why not automatically assume that I'm involved in some sinister ethnic conspiracy instead of wasting brain power accepting that it was a simple bone-headed mistake on my part to not request the move first?

Guess who? :)
Sorry for this random, spontaneous post, but I was amazed when I saw who the newest member of the Romani people WikiProject is: none other than Prof. Hancock's own son (User:Weasel5i2)!

He posted a message on the talk page here. Whee! Isn't this exciting?! (Well, for me it's pretty darn amazing. Not only is he the son of one of my professors, but he's the only person I know in Austin who is of Romani descent!) --Kuaichik (talk) 04:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

If you have access to the SciFi channel tonight...
I'll be very disappointed if you miss it. Sceptre (talk) 12:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't even have time to contribute to Wikipedia lately, much less watch Doctor Who. Once I'm done with my upcoming audition, four concerts, sixteen billion rehearsals and an entire new concerto to learn, THEN talk to me. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 05:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In that case, sorry and good luck :) Sceptre (talk) 23:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah...
Yet more connections to 1956 remind me that it's been a while since I last spammed on this page. How are you, KL? Dahn (talk) 06:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, I'm alright, see above for a description of my semester so far....I'm just busy enough to have absolutely zero motivation to contribute to the Wiki lately. What I need is to be roped into a big group effort again (speaking of 1956), you and me and Biru and Istvan and some of the other mafiosi... <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 17:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * How about the glorious Romanian occupation of Hungary (1919-20)? Which of course was quite beneficial to Hungary as well. Biruitorul (talk) 17:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if you like widespread replacement of the national palinka supply with tuica....ugh. ;-) I'm more drawn to literary and musical topics right now than historical, but I'm up for suggestions of course. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">K. Lásztocska talk 03:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm... the only difference between ţuică and pálinka, as far as I can tell, is the label :). I'm game for that article at some point, but I wouldn't really know where to start (my knowledge of military operations and logistics is severely limited, alas, and what I could contribute on the context, consequences and politics of it would only cover a quarter or so). But surely any famiglia project is a good project (though we seem to be behind in the pizzu department). Dahn (talk) 05:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, how about this guy? Once his vacation is over, we could ask him to focus on the military side (not my forte either). Biruitorul (talk) 14:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Archive, by any chance?
61st section. ;) &mdash; $PЯINGεrαgђ  01:24 26 April, 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was gonna say. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall. Dahn (talk) 05:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

"...almost certainly a joke..."
Well, the gig is up - the only thing I take issue with is his use of "almost certainly". I mean c'mon... Whaddaya say we do some proper planning for next April 1. István (talk) 20:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Revolutions of 1848 proposal
(Blast from the past). I added a comment to your WikiProject Revolutions of 1848 proposal. Please let add a comment to that proposal as to how you would like to proceed. GregManninLB (talk) 03:13, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey there
Sorry for not getting in touch for so long. Plenty of things are bugging me at this moment to make me stay off wiki more and more, but ever since I created this article, I just had an urge to note that the plot is quite reminiscent of stories two of my favorite editors were writing together :). (If you read it, please feel free to correct any mistakes you come across; and if you get the chance, do see the film.) Dahn (talk) 10:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

:)
Long time no see... I just realized how rarely I visit enwiki nowadays, though I miss you and all the other Hungarians here (and the nice non-Hungarians too). Anyway, there's something I wanted to show you. In huwiki someone added a link to Kossuth's article, I added it to the enwiki article too; it's a sound recording of a part of Kossuth's speech in 1890. It was found on a wax cylinder and someone put it on youtube recently. It's amazing, I've never imagined that I'll hear his voice. :) – Alensha   talk  15:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)