User talk:KA81K

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Thanks so much that's a great start for me (KA81K (talk) 19:28, 17 April 2018 (UTC)); KA81K (talk) 19:28, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

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Penketh High School
Hi!

I noticed you've made a number of edits to this article recently - thank you for contributing. I just wanted to comment however that I felt that the style of the article was becoming a bit more like what you'd expect from the school's own website, and perhaps a little too promotional for an impartial encyclopaedia article (eg: phrases like "We set all our pupils ambitious targets..." shouldn't be found in an encyclopaedia). I assume you have some connection to the school; please bear in mind Wikipedia's guidelines about conflicts of interest. Hope this helps! BubbleEngineer (talk) 18:08, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi thanks, I'm still getting use to this obviously asked for help on main page. I'll help that in mind when I'm asking for help with it ! KA81K (talk) 09:43, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

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Hey there
Glad to make your acquaintance. Or I would be if I could type today. I just had to rewrite every word in this to spell it right!! Anyway - I plan to take a look at what you edited and see where you are getting into difficulty. Using myself as a guide I would say it is not using appropriate sources, being too close to the topic when you first start (which sounds weird since you tend to work on things you know and care about) and copying text from locations and not changing it so that it becomes a copy violation - those were the kinds of issues I had to come to terms with when I started but once you get the hang of it you'll soon settle in. It can be a lot of fun too. I'll take a bit to look at your stuff and see what I can help with. Meanwhile I would say to read some of the links on how to edit here (not just the actual how but the what to edit and how to get it right) and then we can see what mischief we can get up to. OK? (Oh - I have a lot of shortcuts set up on my account and computer to make editing simpler for me. If I mention something I am looking at which you can't see, just say - it's probably something I set up and it's been long enough I have to stop and think about where I got it...)  &#9749;  Antiqueight  haver 19:30, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

long reply

 * Right!! I have read up on the article and I think I can help a bit. You did a good job of your first go at updating an article so well done. I don't think any of the editors who made changes would entirely disagree with that - their edits were more on the lines of helpful, or with helpful intent.

Things to know - Anything from someone called somethingBot is an automatic system generated note - a bot. There is no live person seeing it right now. New changes especially by new editors tend to pop up on some of the automated pages for review and editors will make changes to align the edits with standard concepts. So your edits probably popped up on a page that was being monitored by other editors. That would be why they came in to make a few changes.

The changes they made were to make the page "encyclopaedic" rather than "advertising". They removed things like the inspirational quote by the principal. It doesn't have a place on a page that is there to tell you about the school rather than one that is to sell you the school.. I would agree with you the Ofsted report piece seemed unnecessary though - that may be because that editor likes to see that information - we all have our preferences and despite attempts to align the pages there will be a tendency for us all to edit as we like to see a page which can differ. If you want to see what is usual find a similar page or a few pages and read those - though that is no guarantee that that page is a good one, it may simply not have come to the attention of other editors yet.

If you have a problem with an editor making a change you disagree with, you can remove the change and if it happens again ask that it be discussed on the articles talk page. Then you go to the talk page and leave a note about why you removed the piece and why you don't believe it belongs. That helps to prevent edit warring where two or more editors keep reverting each other. Try not to just remove an edit or replace what was removed, the editor may have had good reason to make the change - but again, they may not.

Sources like the school itself are not good sources though occasionally it will be the only place to get info like the name of the principal or the details of subjects - though I would have removed a lot more of the information about the way the school provides things like the music being free or not.... The local paper is a good source for citations for small details but again try not to have it be the only source for all the awards etc or again it starts to seem too much like advertising.

Go back and take a look at some of the changes made by the other editors. I know it feels like they are correcting you and therefore that they must think that you are in the wrong but most of the editors I've come across are thinking more of how to improve what you wrote not correct what you wrote - if you follow my meaning there. BubbleEngineer sounds like a good egg.

Meanwhile - I used to find it unnerving to have my 'errors' called out so vividly on my talk page for all the world to see - so - if you feel like that you can create an archive page and put the notes there - they are useful to keep and be able to reference in the future but it gets it off your page and you don't feel like your first trip ups are on display - though of course that may just be me.

The first few edits and changes are tough because you pour so much of your heart into getting the editing right and usually on a topic you care about. But you are off to a good start. Honest.  &#9749;  Antiqueight  haver 20:34, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Where to go next
I have found WikiProject Women in Red to be a great way to both find help, see similar articles and find articles to work on. (Redlists are links to articles where the article doesn't exist yet so the link is red - I focus on lists of women in areas I understand. I don't have access to better resources than anyone else or I might try going to articles that are missing information and try to fill in the blanks.

For example if I had access to images I would review pages with an image needed tag (Wikipedia requested images) or just here with articles that are looking for some information (Wikipedia requests related to articles). Mostly I like to create new articles rather than adjust older ones but like you, occasionally I'll spot something that I know about or that is close to home that I think I can add to.

This month to focus includes this page WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/71 which lists an essay on creating women's biographies and our Ten Simple Rules might be helpful to newer editors or WikiProject Military history/April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive which has a very detailed set of lists of information. Many areas have specific groups looking at them and have been tagged for the work needed. I keep a list of people I am interested in writing up as well when I find them User:Antiqueight/Draft.

This might be a place to start if you want to write about people - Search for "People stubs by occupation".  &#9749;  Antiqueight  haver 07:44, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you I'll start there then. Think producing new articles might be more helpful than editing or amending so that's a great tip :) (KA81K (talk) 12:20, 26 April 2018 (UTC)) KA81K (talk) 12:20, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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I totally forgot this guy : User:SuggestBot - It's a bot that puts articles in need of work on your talk page every month or when you choose and tells you what the system things needs to be done to them...  &#9749;  Antiqueight  haver 13:35, 18 April 2018 (UTC)