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Nomination of Tom Paradise for deletion
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Nomination of Tritech Research for deletion
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Nomination of Bob (image) for deletion
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A note
I am pulling this out of the sprawling thread you started to make sure you see it.

The key behaviors and ideas you are not understanding if you really want to be a paid editor in good standing (and I think you do), are:


 * a) A big part of being a member of this community is understanding the values, norms, and consensus on things (see WP:CLUE). Volunteerism -- that all this is freely done and freely available -- is very deep in the guts of this place and one of the main things that drives contributions. People want to be part of something that deeply good. You need to understand that many people hate the activity you are engaged in. It is marginal activity in WP - not loved, but rather tolerated. Don't expect cookies and sunshine for doing it or disclosing it. At all. Expect some elbows. It is not nice, but neither is exploiting people so you can make money. Don't do things that exacerbate the underlying tension there.
 * b) keep in mind that it is entirely your choice that you are engaging in this marginal activity that exploits the value the community has built and that exploits other editors.

Concretely:
 * a) disclose clearly at your user page and at the relevant article talk page at the start of the editing. When the specific conflicted editing is starting. Not after.
 * b) Do not edit directly where you have a COI or are paid - do not directly create articles, and do not directly edit articles (the Bob (image) article should not have been directly created but should have been put through AfC)
 * c) stop directly editing template instructions, essays, etc related to paid editing and COI, and at the talk pages of such pages, disclose to others your paid status (you got the "orangemoody" crack from someone who felt you had taken up their volunteer time so you could make it easier to make money here - that happened because you didn't make it clear enough that you edit for pay. That person felt used by you. )
 * d) accept feedback on conflicted or paid proposals with grace and with self-awareness that you actually have a conflict of interest, and are very unlikely to have an unbiased view on the content or your editing of it (that is what conflict of interest does and why we manage it)

If you do that stuff, you will be happier and there will be way, way less drama. Paid editors can be part of the community, and good contributors to it. But you have to get your head on straight and part of that is understanding that some people will be mean to you sometimes. Paid editing is always going to run hard against gut-level values of this community and people are going to lash out sometimes. They shouldn't, but they will. That is part of the "price" you pay for doing marginal stuff. Jytdog (talk) 21:22, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It feels like this is the price I pay for disclosing my paid edits. And I didn't think I was asking for cookies, I was asking for a basic level of respect which the hate I have been receiving has demonstrated is gone.  Every article I have edited for pay has now been nominated for deletion (notwithstanding the article on the VA hospital, which was gutted with a snicker and which I was not paid for anyway).  Prior to this, in eight years, there were 3 or 4.  There doesn't seem to be any standard at which I can write which will prevent this from happening, meaning that disclosing my paid editing has become an albatross.  I can certainly accept feedback from others on my paid editing, but when that feedback becomes "You can't publish this because you were paid to create it," it becomes hard to listen to.  Believe it or not, I feel I do have some good ideas for changes for some of the paid editing templates— no one will listen to them, because I am a disclosed paid editor.  The edits aren't even self-serving, and the templates are not ones that apply to me or my work.  But again, I don't feel you are listening to me yourself.  The message I get from you is, "Shut up and take it."  That just adds to my sense of regret.  I don't think you've spent 10 minutes yet trying to stand in my shoes.  I have no more sympathy for undisclosed paid editors than you do, but when every article I have edited at all for pay has been put up for deletion while the other 140 are just fine, it feels like a pattern is forming. I would be glad to submit my paid articles through AfC if it seemed possible to get them through it— so far, AfC has shown me that this is not possible, and my latest rejection includes a vague request for "more evidence" which is nothing I can even follow up on.  All of which means I was foolish to follow the rules.  Call it what you like, I am having a very hard time seeing this any other way.


 * Here, I am a size 10½. Let me know if they fit, but I want them back when you are done.  Thanks!  KDS4444 (talk) 11:15, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I work with paid and conflicted editors all the time. I understand the role.
 * You are choosing to focus entirely on the negative stuff, and you are ignoring the important stuff.
 * I understand it is hard to shrug off the insults.
 * But really -- of course paid/conflicted edits actually get scrutinized (that is why we have it put through peer review -- because it is motivated by external interests) -- so yes, your paid edits are looked at harder than any edits you have done before.  Why is that surprising to you?  That is a real question, and I hope you reply to it. Jytdog (talk) 21:32, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Scrutiny I understand. Systematic deletion of every paid edit I have made I do not understand.  I have one editor who has nominated one of my articles for deletion (Bob (image)) without even having read the references I provided but by guessing their content based on their titles.  I think even you will agree that this is unfair, unprofessional, and inappropriate, because that isn't scrutiny, that is prejudice.  If you are asking me to sit back and say, "Well, that's okay, it's just another article," I hope you will forgive me for disagreeing with you.  A subsequent editor has complained that the difficulty in verifying that article's sources means it should be deleted— the sources are not available on line, and he thinks that means it aught to go.  That flies in the face of what I have always understood to be the acceptability of off-line sources.  None of this would even be up for discussion if I had not disclosed my role as a paid editor.  Scrutiny is one thing.  This isn't that.  This is teaching me that I should never have disclosed my role because by doing that, my paid work is now being deleted for reasons not based in any policy.  That feels like a problem to me.  I wonder if it does to you (?).  KDS4444 (talk) 01:07, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't have created Bob directly, as you have a COI for that topic which you acknowledged in your edit note when you created it. As you and I have discussed, conflicted edits should go through peer review before they are published, and you should have put it through AfC yourself.
 * Putting it through AfD is drawing the kind of peer review that it should have had before it was published. We sometimes do this, exactly for that reason.
 * Again you are taking the most negative view possible.
 * At this point, it is your choice to keep taking that stance.  If you can't pull yourself out of that and get yourself grounded on the fundamentals of COI, what it does to people, and how it is managed here in WP, and why, you are going to end up quitting WP or get indefinitely blocked and be bitter either way.
 * it doesn't have to be that way. Jytdog (talk) 01:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you give it a rest? Wikipedia pile-ons are a sad tradition, and I can't believe you honestly think that you are providing useful and helpful advice. On the one hand, while your "note" (the original post in this thread) contains some very useful advice, it is marred by multiple examples of pejorative wording ("marginal activity", "exploiting", "hate") that undercuts the presumed intent to provide neutral advice. If it wasn't intended to be neutral advice and just your strongly worded opinion, so be it but you've said it again and again and again and it's not going to sink in by saying it yet one more time. Enough is enough.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:04, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see your talk page. Jytdog (talk) 15:08, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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Discussion at Village pump (policy)
You are invited to join the discussion at Village pump (policy), since you are mentioned tangentially. Regards:) Winged Blades of Godric On leave 07:49, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Paid Template
Hi, KDS4444 I have received your message about disclosing myy employer, client and affiliation to my profile. How do i do this using the template :.
 * Corecontent: Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I will put this template on your own userpage for you— normally only you edit your userpage, but since you have asked for some help with this, I am going to presume you are alright with me doing this.  If you are not, you can always undo my edit of that page.  Also, note that my placing this notice on your userpage will change your username appearance from red (meaning no such page exists) to blue (meaning the page now exists)— from now on, whenever you sign a talk page posting with four tildes ( ~ ), the letters of your name will be blue instead of red (in case you find yourself wondering what has happened to the red letters).  If you have any additional questions, feel free to let me know here.  Thanks!  KDS4444 (talk) 10:25, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * After all of what you no doubt saw above, I am especially thankful, to you, Gerda, for noticing. Also, and in pursuit of FA status for Liliuokalani, please see my recent change to both the article and FA discussion there (did you realize that in the article on the Republic of Hawaii she had no Wikilink but was only referred to as "the Queen" and "a Queen"??  I went ahead and fixed that, and please count on me for support for the eventual recognition of her article for FA status, which she and her article totally deserve).  KDS4444 (talk) 23:01, 15 November 2017 (UTC)


 * A year ago, you were recipient no. 1771 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Conso International Corporation


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Nomination of Tom Paradise for deletion
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