User talk:KJohansson

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KJohansson,

Can you explain the meaning of this edit? It seems you blanked out a large section of text for no reason. Red Zion X 23:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That was outsourcing material KJohansson (talk) 23:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Golden Bear List
On the basis that you removed Hanro Smitsman from the list just now you may wish do do one or both of enhance the article on Smitsman / participate in Articles for deletion/Hanro Smitsman -- Fiddle Faddle (talk) 11:19, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to delete
Please give us a thumbs up or down whether we should delete Global city in Talk:Global_city Kransky (talk) 14:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

EU flag
Hi. The reason this image was removed from the articles is that it is a photo one random EU flag that has nothing to do with the countries. So it adds no additional value to the article as it does not show how a specific country is connected to the EU. Besides, the image is then repetitive and of poor quality. There was a discussion about that at Talk:Germany and it seems we have a consensus there. If you agree, can you remove the image again? --Tone 13:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just in case you're not monitoring that talkpage, I answered there. Seems I didn't write the reason clearly enough. By the way, currently the majority is against that particular image in the article so you may want to remove it again. Greetings. --Tone 17:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I´m going to watch the discussion at the Germany article from now on, no problem. After quickly counting the pro and contra editors, I saw 3 in favor for the flag and 2 against did I missed something ? KJohansson (talk) 20:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, great. Now you are the second person who is in favour of the image, before it was something like 5:1. There was some discussion at other paragraphs as well, kind of decentralized debate... --Tone 20:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Great power
Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. -- Phoenix (talk) 01:50, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

You want to hear my statement about that ? As a thinking individual I find the level of ignorance and hypocrisy you and some others display, an insult to my intelligence. By now, it is not wrong to realize that the level of rejection of multiple, multiple, multiple, scientifical, scientifical, scientifical sources is a direct attack by all measures in the first place. You feel personally attacked ? By what, may I ask ? I AM the one who is shocked by the blunt level of stupidity. Are you defending this behaviour as well. Are you defending the crying for "we need consensus" when in fact this means, "we don´t want a change, we piss on your references, we piss on reality". I´m sorry Phoenix, unless you and others come up with active, realistic, serious proposals which not constantly defy the obvious truth, you probably have to live with direct comments to your actions. KJohansson (talk) 11:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok you said You feel personally attacked ? By what, may I ask ?, do you not know what you have said?
 * In my eyes these are the worst editors at Wikipedia and the most dangerous ones. They betray all ideals and policies at Wikipedia.
 * That is a clear violation of WP:No personal attacks
 * You have even said other things like
 * I´m still shocked about the ignorance here. Even more shocked I am by the blunt ongoing promotion of the stupidity.
 * The opposition has no arguments anymore apart from hypocritical chitchat... You and Nirvana have exposed dishonest intentions and contradictionary arguing.
 * Violating WP:Civility, WP:Etiquette and WP:Assume good faith.
 * These show that you are no longer willing to edit on this article in line with wikipedias policies. As of the moment people are no longer even willing to hear what you have to say because your edits, actions & words have discredited you. Why don't you listen to yourself when you first edited the article and said "I don´t want to put in to much heat here", and calm down. What you are doing now is not helpful.
 * Because of your last comment I AM the one who is shocked by the blunt level of stupidity I must again ask you to stop.
 * [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia.  -- Phoenix (talk) 21:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Phoenix, I find it hard to assume good faith after many contradictionary edits. I find it hard to assume you aim for consensus after the blunt rejection of so many academic sources. Honestly, I am the one who finds it uncivil to block every single fact of reality. I seriously wonder about you still looking in a mirror while thinking not to be a hypocrite. You are obviously pretty good in citing every policy of Wikipedia netiquette. How about sticking to the first rules of Wikipedia. Discussing relevant, up to date sources and acknowledging them ? KJohansson (talk) 13:52, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Careful, I will not tolerate any more personal attacks on your part against any editor. One more disparaging and ad hominem comment from you about editor are "looking in a mirror while thinking not to be a hypocrite" and there will be intervention. Comment on the content not on the editor. WP:No personal attacks: Repeated or egregious personal attacks may lead to blocks. Nirvana888 (talk) 14:15, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * This clearly constitutes a flagrant personal attack. [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Nirvana888 (talk) 14:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ that KJohansson and Lear21 are the same editor and has been given a long term block. Nirvana888 (talk) 23:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

G8 - Great power
I recommend to engage on this issue on a constant basis. Please mind the Netiquette of Wikpedia as well. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 20:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It was about time you showed up. I´m going to investigate the nature of the 2 accounts Nirvana/Phoenix it seems likely to be a socketpuppet / double account. Nirvana already was blocked because of socketpuppetry. Lear 21 (talk) 14:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I´d like to be more often at Wiki but haven´t much time to visit frequently. KJohansson (talk) 13:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I support your inclusion of the G8 image on the great power article but maybe to make the issue less contentious it should be placed elsewhere on the article? Bambuway (talk) 18:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

In my eyes it can be placed in many sections, no problem. KJohansson (talk) 18:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the "Status dimension" section where it once used to be might be best. Bambuway (talk) 17:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Can this debate be about sources for once and not "I like this". Please lets talk about what sources back up this claim. Thanks -- Phoenix (talk) 17:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Phoenix after such a long time your request to debate sources seems only shallow and passively aggressive. You know what I learned about sources at university ? That there is no such thing as a single allmighty source. Acedemic wisdom relies on a plethora of sources, which when it comes to identify a specific truth must indicate in a certain direction. I havn´t looked at all sources from Lear but I googled many word combinations. The majority of them point in one direction, saying the G8 was a global governance meeting made by the major powers of the world in order to speak and decide about global problems. This is clearly relevant as the article already mentions many occasions where conferences of great powers ruled the future. Up to now there is not a single hint that you or the other guy acknowledge the importance of the G8. To say it simple, you piss on the sources. This is very insincere. It is not in the interest of the theme "Great power". Come up with an intelligent comment where to put the G8. KJohansson (talk) 20:28, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes university is a Great place, one that I look back on with many fond memories. But please such comments like your request to debate sources seems only shallow and passively aggressive and you piss on the sources or Come up with an intelligent comment where to put the G8. Count4er everything that Wikipedia, heck what an Encyclopaedia is about. You really need to read Five pillars, especially :
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that incorporates elements of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers. Content should be verifiable with citations to reliable sources. Our editors' personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions do not belong here. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, an advertising platform, a vanity press, an experiment in anarchy or democracy, an indiscriminate collection of information, or a web directory. It is not a dictionary, newspaper, or a collection of source documents; that kind of content should be contributed instead to the Wikimedia sister projects.
 * Wikipedia has a neutral point of view, which means we strive for articles that advocate no single point of view. Sometimes this requires representing multiple points of view, presenting each point of view accurately, providing context for any given point of view, and not presenting any point of view as "the truth" or "the best view". That means citing verifiable, authoritative sources whenever possible, especially on controversial topics. When a conflict arises regarding neutrality, hammer out details on the talk page, and follow dispute resolution.
 * Wikipedians should interact in a respectful and civil manner: Respect and be polite to your fellow Wikipedians, even when you disagree. Apply Wikipedia etiquette, and avoid personal attacks. Find consensus, avoid edit wars, follow the three-revert rule, and remember that there are  articles on the English Wikipedia to work on and discuss. Act in good faith, never disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, and assume good faith on the part of others. Be open and welcoming.
 * These are the core fundamentals of wikipedia, So please understand when we ask for something to back up claims, it is not to be annoying. Heck if you disagree with people, you can always get it check out by 3rd parties in wikipedia.... But constantly reverting content is just not acceptable. -- Phoenix (talk) 05:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

The first fundamental of Wikipedia is to respect sourced content. Not only one source but to measure many sources. The second is to concentrate on content via discussions. You and the other guy are hectically citing one policy after another avoiding the real discussion. I´m not interested in your endless lists of policies when at the same time refusing to accept core valuable information. You know pretty well that you have nothing in your hand to prevent the article of getting an update. KJohansson (talk) 11:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Look you have me all wrong; but there is not much more I can say than what I have said in the past few months to convince you otherwise. You don't like policies... Well I'm sorry but you will not go far in life if you don't work with the codes of conduct found in all facets of life. If you don't like what we have said, take it to other people it is your right after all. -- Phoenix (talk) 12:04, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

1. rule of Wikipedia is CONTENT comes first. 2. rule of Wikipedia is CONTENT is king. 3. rule of Wikipedia is CONTENT based on sources. If you don´t get this, we will have many months in front us at he Great power article. I tell you what, I could take all your feable policies and take them against you, but I´m not interested, I´m interested in CONTENT. I´m interested in placing the G8 at the article, nothing else. You know why ? Because right now the article is not neutral, it is biased, it arbitrarily leaves out crucial content. Content which has been academically proven to be relevant. The article (as probably Lear said) does not fulfil its own scope. I promise you that this issue will not be settled until the article gets a longterm stable update. KJohansson (talk) 12:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * This is taken word for word from the intro of Verifiability
 * The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth&mdash;that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed.
 * This is taken word for word from the intro of No original research
 * Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, arguments, or conclusions.
 * I hope that you understand now. -- Phoenix (talk) 20:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Phoenix,
 * This is taken word for word from the intro of Verifiability
 * The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth&mdash;that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed.
 * This is taken word for word from the intro of No original research
 * Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, arguments, or conclusions.
 * I hope that YOU understand now. This is the last time I answered any of the policies. Maybe you rather concentrate of getting a bureaucrat instead of a writer. KJohansson (talk) 10:54, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh? -- Phoenix (talk) 11:00, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

It´s getting absurd KJohannsson. Please stop commenting on my talk page, I will most likely not answer. I will occasionly stop by to ensure the article is getting updated, but will not discuss the obvious references anymore. The ongoing ridiculous demands and reverts will not stop. The prevailing editors (maybe even only one) have obviously developed a hardcore ideology about the theme and cannot respect academic evidence to update this article. As I´m a constructor of high quality Wikipedia articles I´m used to work with knowledgable editors who understand the importance of references and the need to accept progress. So don´t wonder if I never show up again (at discussions). all the best Lear 21 (talk) 23:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Lear, by all means continue to unilaterally edit articles without discussion or quotations from references, wherever you find content that differs from what you think the content ought to be. If you want to continue to unite editors against you, that is. Viewfinder (talk) 09:00, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Lear, fair enough. I´m going to start a last serious attempt here once again. If you want to change your mind you are still welcome. KJohansson (talk) 16:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ that KJohansson and Lear21 are the same editor and has been given a long term block. Nirvana888 (talk) 23:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

User:Nirvana888 suspected sock puppet found
User:Zhonghuo is almost certainly another sock puppet of User:Nirvana888 if you check the edit histories. I thought I would let you know to help you keep track of this troublesome user. Wegos (talk) 19:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Pay attention to your userpage. The Nirvana888 account is playing very dirty. It shouldn´t come as a surprise, people who run out of arguments often tend to foul play. I hope you don´t mind removing the accusations from your frontpage. After all it falls back on me and you. all the best Lear 21 (talk) 23:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

WTF ! Thanks, I haven´t noticed it. This guy is a threat to all sensible editors and should be banned right away. KJohansson (talk) 00:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * With all due respect Johansson, you cannot accuse other editors of vandalism just because they will not accept your position, and your serial breaches of WP:CIV and WP:NPA will not help you win your case. Viewfinder (talk) 15:12, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

With all due respect Viewfinder, it is not MY position. It is the position of many scholars and academics who published their position and which is available on internet sites. With all due respect, Viewfinder these positions are shared by 3 editors (raising acceptance in the last discussion topic) and an external fellow Wikipedian voting for the inclusion. With all due respect, Viewfinder, you are the one, who already advocated an inclusion and proposed a version WITH the G8.With all due respect Viewfinder, you are the one contradicting yourself while ignoring scientific fats. With all due respects Viewfinder, you are the one violating the very ideals of Wikipedia. With all due respect Viewfinder you and the other guys long left focusing the articles content and relevant updates. With all due respect Viewfinder you are not in the position anymore to demand anything. Come forward with useful proposals where to put the pic, this could, I repeat could change my position of considering your edits of non vandalism intention. KJohansson (talk) 15:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * If it is the position of many scholars then why did you not respond to my request for transcription of their passages? You write things like "With all due respect Viewfinder you are not in the position anymore to demand anything" and then wonder why three editors, one of whom (myself) is looking for compromise, unite against you. Calm down. Viewfinder (talk) 16:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ that KJohansson and Lear21 are the same editor and has been given a long term block. Nirvana888 (talk) 23:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Blocked as a sock puppet
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