User talk:KK-CIMT

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Article creation, COI
Hi KK-CIMT - you clearly have a relationship with CIMT which generated Model for Assessment of telemedicine - MAST, and you just created an article about it. You have a conflict of interest here per Conflict_of_interest.

More importantly, the article is not ready for show time. Would you be willing to move it to "draft space" so it can be improved before it enters main space? Let me know. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 12:41, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Would you please respond? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 23:53, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

KK-CIMT, you are invited on a Wikipedia Adventure!
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Thanks!
Hi Jytdog, Thanks for your input. Your are rigth - I am part of the large team who produced and described MAST. Does this mean that I can't produce a page descring MAST on Wikipedia?

Regards, Kristian — Preceding unsigned comment added by KK-CIMT (talk • contribs) 07:57, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hooray you have talked back to me. Thanks for that.  Quick note - please "sign" your posts.  To do that, you type four tildas ~ after your comment, and the Wikipedia turns that into links to your user and talk pages, and a time stamp.  This is important for knowing is who is who, when we talk to each other.  And talking with each other is fundamental to how this place works.  So thanks again for replying. Jytdog (talk) 10:03, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I meant to reply more here - sorry for the delay. I asked you above if you would consider moving the article from what we call "main space" or "name space" to what we call "draft space".  It is better for new editors - and especially editors with a conflict of interest - to create drafts, and put them through the "articles for creation" process, so that they can be checked for covering WP basics, and for neutrality, before they enter mainspace.  I would be happy to withdraw the deletion nomination if you would agree to do that.  The article is not ready for mainspace as it stands....  Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 11:04, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


 * i cut the comment made by KK-CIMT on my talk page here and am pasting it below, to keep the thread together Jytdog (talk) 02:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks again. Can I in some way declare my conflict of interest?  Regards, Kristian KK-CIMT (talk) 10:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying, and for being willing to talk. So nice.  OK - so I already did the disclosure for you on the article Talk page, so the key part is done.  If you like, you could put something on your user page, User:KK-CIMT, along the lines of: "I work at XXX and have been working on health technology assessment for many years. I was part of the team that created Model for Assessment of telemedicine - MAST, the most widely used health technology assessment system used in Europe.  I am interested in editing topics in that field."  Something like that, that would tell WP users what you are up to here,  You don't have to reveal your real world identity unless you want to.  Anonymity is strictly protected here.  (with regard to COI, what we care about are external relationships that create a COI, not identity per se.)  Jytdog (talk) 03:11, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for your comments ad suggestions.
 * I have added some text on my user page. I have also inserted links to other wikipedia pages. The wikipedia page on Health Technology Assessment is now also linking to the page about MAST. So I hope I am moving in the rigth direction. Is there anything else I need to change? KK-CIMT (talk) 06:48, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That is great! Quick note on how Talk page discussions are formatted here.  Signatures ~ go at the end of the comment, when you write them.  At the front of comments, we use one or more colons to indent, in order to "thread" conversations.  one colon ":" is converted to one indentation by the Wikipedia software: two colons "::" are converted to two indentations and so on, and when the indentations get too deep, we "reset" to the margin using "outdent" "" which is converted to an arrow, like this

Just wanted to explain that. Jytdog (talk) 11:38, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

An invitation to join WikiProject Medicine
Kristian, I would like to invite you to join WikiProject Medicine ("WP:MED"). Within Wikipedia, there are several "WikiProjects", which are groups of editors who have common interests, and work together to improve articles in their field. WP:MED is one of the strongest and includes many doctors, professors, and other health professionals, who all work together to raise the quality of content (in all kinds of articles) about health, biomedical information, and medicine, including drugs, devices, and diagnostics. We don't have a lot of folks very active in health IT and it would be amazing to have you on board.

That work includes raising the qualty of sources (described in the link about sourcing below (WP:MEDRS)) as well as our style guide WP:MEDMOS - we are very concerned to write as much as possible in plain English, that someone with say a high school education can make sense of. This is all aimed at making Wikipedia a truly useful and reliable encyclopedia for the general public.



Here are some pages that you might find helpful:


 * Quick introduction to Wikipedia
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 * Identifying reliable sources for medicine-related articles ("MEDRS") (general advice)
 * Wikipedia's Manual of Style for medicine-related articles (general style guide)
 * A few tricks to help you format references are at WP:MEDHOW

''If you are interested in medicine-related themes, you may want to visit the Medicine Portal. If you are interested in improving medicine-related articles, you may want to join WikiProject Medicine (sign up here or say hello here).''

Again, welcome! Jytdog (talk) 11:46, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Medworxx
If you have a moment, would you like to cast an eye over the article I've written about this company? I've had complaints that it is unduly positive, but I can't find any negative coverage. I'm told this is territory you know about! Rathfelder (talk) 17:49, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

KK-CIMT (talk) 18:13, 24 July 2015 (UTC) OK. I think the problems are related to this section: By January 2012 the proportion of elective patients ready to leave the hospital had reduced from 5.4% to 4.6%, while non-electives had reduced from more than 7% to 5.8%.[14]

The references are not to a scientific Journal but to a homepage with information about health-IT. Thus, interpretation of the information should be made with precaution. You have other section in which it is stated that "the company claims...." and I think that is a more fair way to describe it.

KK-CIMT (talk) 18:13, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much

question about edit
Hi Jytdog, I have tried to insert information about a scientific discussion on MAST in a journal. Could you tell me what I did wrong? Regards, KK-CIMT (talk) 19:58, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * do you mean this dif? Jytdog (talk) 20:46, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is the section. Regards, Kristian KK-CIMT (talk)KK-CIMT (talk) 20:52, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * First of all, that content gave a bunch of WP:WEIGHT to a primary source, and then presented another primary source to argue. This is not what we do here.   I believe this was driven by your conflict of interest.   I didn't finish our discussion, above, and I should have.  My apologies for that.  Disclosure of COI is just the first step in the way that COI is managed in Wikipedia.  There is a second step that I neglected to tell you about.  Again, I apologize for that.  Here it is...


 * The second step is what I call "peer review". This piece may seem a bit strange to you at first, but if you think about it, it will make sense.  In Wikipedia, editors can immediately publish their work, with no intervening publisher or standard peer review -- you can just create an article, click save, and viola there is a new article, and you can go into any article, make changes, click save, and done.  No intermediary - no publisher, no editors.


 * What we ask editors to do who have a COI and want to work on articles where their COI is relevant, is a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have, create the article as a draft, disclose your COI on the Talk page using the appropriate template, and then submit the draft article through the WP:AFC process so it can be reviewed before it publishes; and b) And if you want to change content in any existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself.  You can make the edit request easily -  and provide notice to the community of your request -  by using the "edit request" function as described in the conflict of interest guideline.  I made that easy for you by adding a section to the beige box at the top of the Talk page at Talk:Model for assessment of telemedicine (MAST) -  there is a link at "click here" in that section --  if you click that, the Wikipedia software will automatically format a section in which you can make your request.


 * By following those "peer review" processes, editors with a COI can contribute where they have a COI, and the integrity of WP can be protected.  I hope that makes sense to you.


 * I want to add here that per the WP:COI guideline, if you want to directly update simple, uncontroversial facts (for example, correcting the facts about where the company has offices) you can do that directly in the article, without making an edit request on the Talk page. Just be sure to always cite a reliable source for the information you change, and make sure it is simple, factual, uncontroversial content.


 * Will you please agree to follow the peer review processes going forward, when you want to work on the Model for assessment of telemedicine (MAST) article or any article where your COI is relevant? What that means concretely, is that you would have proposed that edit on the Talk page, and you could work on it together with independent editors to bring it into compliance with the content policies and guidelines, and then it would be introduced to the article.


 * Do let me know, and if anything above doesn't make sense I would be happy to discuss. Jytdog (talk) 21:08, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

note on talk page logistics
Quick note on the logistics of discussing things on Talk pages, which are essential for everything that happens here. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting - when you reply to someone, you put a colon ":" in front of your comment, and the WP software converts that into an indent; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons "::" which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense. And at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages. That is how we know who said what. Will reply above on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 21:03, 7 March 2016 (UTC)