User talk:KP070707/Archive 1

December 2020
Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Datalex. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. Gazamp (talk) 13:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gazamp,

This is not advertising or promotion, we are just updating company information.

Could you please keep our version please, thank you.

Regards,

Kim


 * Hi there,


 * Your edits to Datalex weren't in line with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy which mandates an impartial tone in articles. Your edits read like a prospectus or company report rather than a Wikipedia article, and thus aren't really appropriate for Wikipedia. Additionally, many claims which do not seem to come from a neutral point of view (NPOV) are unreferenced and would need reliable citations to remain in the article . All of that, plus your username (which alone could get you blocked for breach of the username policy regarding companies), suggests you are looking to add promotional material.


 * Before you continue to edit, I suggest you read the Wikipedia policies on NPOV, conflict of interest editing and paid contributions as well as taking a glance at the Manual of Style that is used for writing articles. If you do, as it seems, have a conflict of interest, you should declare it and stop editing the affected articles. You can still help the information be updated by proposing changes via the talk page. If you continue to edit Datalex in a persistent and non-neutral manner, you could find yourself blocked (see Common rationales for blocks).


 * Additionally, you might find the guidelines on good practice for talk pages useful for when communicating with other users.


 * Thanks, Gazamp (talk) 19:44, 14 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Gazamp,
 * Thank you for your explanation and advice. It's very helpful.
 * I'll edit the article using a neutral point of view as you mentioned and change the username if that's what you think I should do.


 * Before I update a new version, would you be able to review and let me know if it's good to go?


 * Thanks,
 * Kim


 * Hi,


 * First off, yes, you should change your username - see here for what changes would and would not be suitable.


 * Second, I would strongly advise that you don't directly edit Datalex with large and/or controversial edits. These will likely be reverted (or greatly cut down), will just get on people's nerves, and won't help anyone. If you have a conflict of interest (which, from your activity and username, seems likely) you need to declare it and follow Wikipedia protocols, else you'll probably end up blocked. If you maintain you don't, that's fine, but you could get reported anyway, and then you're more likely to be made to follow restrictions. Also something to think about is the fact that anything of notability about Datalex which is publicly available will probably end up on the Wikipedia article in the end, good or bad.


 * Either way, I can help you update company info, so long as you can provide reliable, secondary sources that can be used to verify information. While some of the information you added in your edits wasn't overly controversial (like number of employees), it was unverified.


 * Some Wikipedia policy that might be useful to read up on too: Reliable citations (this is really important!), What COI editors can do directly, Covert advertising


 * Thanks, Gazamp (talk) 11:46, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

hi Gazamp,

We made changes to the content that we'd like to add with a neutral point of view. Basically, we don't delete or edit what is on Wikipedia now, but adding more information. If you could have a look and let me know if the content is appropriate, that would be great. We used a comparison of information in the Wayback Machine and the current Datalex.com to demonstrate the change in executive management. And add sources for every statement. If there are any information/ source you think is not appropriate, please highlight and we will see if we could find another one/ [Promotional content removed]

Looking forward to hearing from you.

I'll change my username after.

Thank you.

Kim


 * I'll edit this, get back to you and then add it to the page - it might take a while, so you might want to change your username in the meantime. Gazamp (talk) 10:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi there,

Thank you for that. I created another account KP0707, just don't know how to switch it and join the conversation here. But, I'll stop using this account after the page being updated. Do let me know if more information is required.

Thanks, Kim


 * You should place a request at Changing username. Gazamp (talk) 13:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Edit request
Regarding the requested additions to Datalex article above,


 * 1) - The reference provided says that Corkery became Acting CEO in May and was confirmed as CEO in October. This was pretty much in the article before, but I've expanded it a little.
 * 2) - Could be NPOV, would need rephrasing and independent secondary sources (not company reports) for it to be included.
 * 3) - Unneeded and non-NPOV, if readers want to know, they can find it on the company website. Detailed descriptions of company policy/achievements/ambitions are not suitable for their Wikipedia entry.
 * 4) - Content added to article
 * 5) - Irrelevant, could be non-NPOV.
 * 6) - Second sentence non-NPOV. New non-exec directors rarely warrant more than a mention (and these are far from exceptional), so that's what I've put in. I can see details like this getting cut out later on to be honest.
 * 7) - See 6
 * 8) - Non-notable, not added.
 * 9) - Most of this past the first sentence reads like a CV. The first sentence was already covered in the article, and both the sources provided are published in May not June.
 * 10) - Not notable, non-NPOV, also source provided is unsuitable as its a Datalex report - hardly impartial.
 * 11) - Unneccesary, non-notable and probably non-NPOV too. Not included.
 * 12) - Already covered in article.
 * 13) - Already covered in article
 * 14) - Already covered in article.
 * 15) - Non-notable and second sentence seems non-NPOV. Also, primary reference from Amazon not suitable.
 * 16) - Non-NPOV, buzz-phrases like "aggressive resource management" just makes it sound like a promotion.

As for information in the infobox, from what I can see you've only actually proposed two changes, one to revenue and one to employees. I've already added the revenue but I've searched the company report and I can't find a single mention of the number of employees (if there is one, you need to give me a page number). I haven't changed it in article because, if there's debate as to the correct number, I'd err on the side of leaving it until there's a clearer answer. It's not a super important piece of information, so I'd rather an old but reliable source to a new unsure one.

If there's anything else, ping me (using the template). Also, to make this discussion a little neater than the last, please look over Replying to a thread - it makes everything a lot easier to see and understand. Thanks, Gazamp (talk) 17:44, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

PaykanArtCar moved to draftspace
It appears that you may have a conflict of interest with the subject of PaykanArtCar, and as such you should submit this article to be published through the Articles for Creation process. Before editing the article further, please first disclose on your user page and on the article's Talk page whether you have received money to write this or other articles on Wikipedia, or if you have any other kind of conflict of interest concerning the subject. I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. Before submitting, you should make sure that the article is fully compliant with Wikipedia’s neutrality and verifiability policies, as well as our notability guidelines. When you’re ready, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. This process is encouraged, but optional. If you choose not to participate in it, you can remove the AfC template and move the article back to mainspace. You should also consider reaching out to the Teahouse for additional feedback and aid from experienced editors. signed,Rosguill talk 18:10, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Risguill,
 * First of all, thanks for the feedback. Appreciated it.
 * The article is written in a neutral tone of voice with notable sources that backed the information. In my opinion, it's a useful article that worths publishing. Do you think it can be moved to the mainspace for those reasons?
 * Thank you! KP070707 (talk) 12:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: PaykanArtCar (November 11)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by CNMall41 were:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.


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CNMall41 (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi CNMall,
 * Thanks for the feedback. I'll improve the draft basing on this.
 * Just wanted to check re published sources that are in-depth, reliable, secondary and strictly independent. In the article, there are multiple sources that are from notable publishers e.g. Washington Post, NBC News, The Guardian. They have thorough information about the subject and reliable.In order to get approval, should I remove the other sources and only keep those that meet the requirements. Or you also think the sources that I listed here are not qualified?
 * One more thing, there is a note saying "This article contains paid contributions. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page." Can you help point out what is the specific actions I need to take for the clean up?
 * Thank you for your time. KP070707 (talk) 10:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi,
 * I just resubmitted the piece. It have been cut half to focus on the subject with additional sources. All those unqualified sources have been removed. Let me know if you have further feedback.
 * Thanks! KP070707 (talk) 10:32, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

PaykanArtCar moved to draftspace
Paid editors do NOT get to move drafts to become articles. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:18, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

November 2022
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, articles should not be moved, as you did to PaykanArtCar, without good reason. They should have a name that is both accurate and intuitive. Wikipedia has some guidelines in place to help with this. Generally, a page should only be moved to a new title if the current name doesn't follow these guidelines. Also, if a page move is being discussed, consensus needs to be reached before anybody moves the page. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the test Wikipedia. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:PaykanArtCar has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:PaykanArtCar. Thanks! 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:22, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks! KP070707 (talk) 10:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:PaykanArtCar


A tag has been placed on Draft:PaykanArtCar, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. CNMall41 (talk) 21:52, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:PaykanArtCar has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:PaykanArtCar. Thanks! CNMall41 (talk) 21:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Deb. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.Deb (talk) 10:42, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey Deb,
 * Thank you for this!
 * Can I retrieve the deleted material for improvement? I'd like rewrite it to match the requirement. THanks! KP070707 (talk) 11:24, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi KP070707. I saw your post at the Teahouse. I agree that PaykanArtCar should probably have a WP-article, so I have a suggestion. I'll start it myself (give me about a week, WP is a hobby), based on the sources I find, should help a bit. I've never heard of it or Alireza Shojaian before today, so I'm fairly neutral. What do you think? You can reply here, I'm watching this page (not 24/7). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:45, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Grabergs,
 * That'd be a great help! Should I share you the resources and links that I have for reference?
 * Let me know and thanks for this! KP070707 (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, list the best 10 or so you know of. Question: at User:KP070707 it says "Payankar", should it be "PaykanArtCar"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:59, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is PaykanArtCar. KP070707 (talk) 07:59, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Grabergs, hee are info:
 * PaykanArtCar is a non-profit organization that “unites the talents of contemporary Iranian artists with a beloved symbol of national pride - the Paykan automobile - to advocate for the restoration of human rights and dignity for all in Iran no matter their race, religion, gender or their sexual orientation”. The mission is to use the Iraniani-made Paykan car as a canvas for talented, marginalized Iranian artists to highlight human rights issues in Iran.
 * Paykan was founded in September 2021 by former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Mark Wallace, and Dr. Hiva Feizi, a strategic communications and international affairs expert focused on Iran’s soft power and diplomacy. The first iteration of the PaykanArtCar was focused on LGBTQ+ rights, and made its debut on October 4, 2021 in Miami at the Human Rights Foundation’s Oslo Freedom Forum
 * The Paykan automobile was the first fully manufactured car in Iran by Iran National from 1967 to 1979. After the Islamic Revolution in 1979, Iran National changed to IranKhodro and continued manufacturing a much more simplified version of Paykan until 2005.
 * The Paykan was a Hillman Hunter built under licence and priced for middle-class Iranians.
 * In May of 2021, PaykanArtCar Inc. acquired a historic Paykan Hillman Hunter which was gifted to Romanian dictator, Nicolae Ceaușescu, by Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, the former Shah of Iran in 1974 as a token of the two countries’ close ties.
 * In 2021, PaykanArtCar commissioned Alireza Shojaian, an Iranian LGBTQ+ artist living in exile in Paris to paint this iconic vehicle to highlight the persecution of LGBTQ+ community in Iran and seeks to “give voice to those who are silenced by the Iranian government’s systematic repression”. The paintwork created by Shojaian was inspired by Iran’s popular Shahnameh (Book of Kings) written by Ferdowsi in the 10th century. Shojaian uses one of the most prominent tales of Shahnameh, the story of Rostam and Shaban, to narrate the 2021 murder of 20-year-old Iranian gay man, Ali Fazeli Monfared, who was beheaded by members of his family in an honor killing.
 * In March 2022, the organization put out a ‘Call for Artists’ and is in the process of commissioning a female Iranian artist for the second iteration of the Paykan car, which will center around women’s rights in Iran.
 * PaykanArtCar was awarded the 2022 Vaclav Havel International Prize for Creative Dissent by the Human Rights Foundation (HRF) in May 2022.
 * PaykanArtCar has been on exhibitions in Canada
 * The car was supposed to be displayed at ‘Asia Now’ Fair in Paris but the Asia Now cancelled it at last minute
 * Some sources:
 * https://www.losangelesblade.com/2022/01/02/the-paykanartcar-is-putting-lgbtq-rights-for-iranians-on-the-map/
 * https://hrf.org/hrf-announces-the-2022-havel-prize-laureates/
 * https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/iranian-artists-in-exile-find-a-vehicle-for-protest/2022/06/04/0f75fef2-e407-11ec-ae64-6b23e5155b62_story.html
 * https://www.attitude.co.uk/culture/sexuality/irans-national-car-given-homoerotic-makeover-to-make-a-stand-against-anti-gay-persecution-304685/
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/01/business/art-car-iran.html
 * https://kayhanlife.com/authors/paykan-car-becomes-artwork-to-support-irans-lgbtq-community/
 * https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/art-and-architecture/article-artist-alireza-shojaian-protests-irans-anti-lgbtq-stance-through-his/
 * https://www.thestar.com/amp/entertainment/visualarts/2021/12/10/alireza-shojaians-art-painted-on-a-vintage-iranian-paykan-car-challenges-middle-eastern-ideals-of-what-it-means-to-be-a-man.html KP070707 (talk) 08:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * There is nothing to stop you recreating it, but if it turns out as promotional, you run the risk of being blocked as a spammer. Deb (talk) 14:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks for the reply! KP070707 (talk) 16:48, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Deb, Is there a way I can retrieve the latest draft? Thanks! KP070707 (talk) 08:08, 27 November 2022 (UTC)