User talk:KRBN/Archive 1

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Thanks, re. European Results
Hi there! Thanks for your advice about the European Cup articles, it's appreciated! Regarding errors, I used to use the UEFA Website as my main source but they're actually not as good as they should be, and I've discovered a more detailed list of results at RSSSF whihc I now mostly use. Although I am able to cross-reference them with other sources, sometimes it's not always obvious which club is being refered to, particularly if they have folded, merged or have a similar name - for instance, on UEFA the difference between Athletic Bilbao and Atlético Madrid is often rather unclear. If you do see any more mistakes, please do correct them - I think I have been mostly right! The club names I'm using are all from the List of football clubs wikipage, so they should link OK even if the name is slightly different; for instance, your Újpesti TE example does link to Újpest FC, but it is the former name that is on the list so I use that for consistancy.

You're quite correct about the Yugoslav flag being most appropriate. I hadn't noticed it had a star on it - the reason I had previously been using the Serbia and Montenegro flag is because the latter is in –  brackets like all of the others, whereas the former is only available in square brackets making it harder to edit from a template. I will use the Yugoslav flag from now on.

Thanks again for bringing this to my attention - if you see any other mistakes please do correct them, or if I'm still repeatedly making the same error, drop us another message. Cheers, Starfighter Pilot 16:22, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Differenet Parallels
Kosovo should be independent, seperate from both Serbia and Albania owing to it's history and the recent bloodshed. Serbia sent in troops to viciously put down the Muslims, British Troops in Northern Ireland viciously attacked Catholics in Northern ireland - Granted, the Serbs killed far more people, but your parallel is false. Northern Ireland is a leftover from the British era of colonisation. The Majority of British people do not want it. The Republic of Ireland has been independent from Britain for a short time, why should the republic be free and not the other six counties? Unlike Serbia, The Republic of Ireland does not have a history of attempted Ethnic Cleansing of religious Minorities. --Irishpunktom\talk 10:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * A northern Ireland independent of the UK and Éire, Yeah, I'd support that. Northern Ireland, as a different and seperate entity from the rest of the Island is a new phenomenon.  The same is not true of Kosovo, which was part of the Byzantine Empire, the Muslim Ottoman Empire and Conquered by the Christian Serbs. Serbia has existed without Kosovo for hundreds of years. --Irishpunktom\talk 11:26, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Flag of Cyprus
I had replaced it because the gif image (Image:Cyprus Flag.gif) says that it's now available on Commons as Image:Flag of Cyprus.svg, which I took to mean it's been replaced by that. The svg one was also the one used on Flag of Cyprus. Also, the gif had the obvious problem of the background being transparent, instead of white. Is it just the size of the svg image that's incorrect, or are there other problems with it? --Mairi 21:30, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Your foolishness
I have seen your userpage. It is foolishness! The two-state solution will never work. Do you think the yehudi will ever allow an independent home for the falastiniya? عزل 01:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This user has been blocked indefinitely. Apparently he's a sockpuppet of another user. I think he was just trying to bait you. KI 01:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Help needed
Hey. Would you please be able to help me out on Turkish Cypriot? User:-Inanna- is reverting again, and I don't want to violate the 3RR. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 21:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

The wrong category guy
Hi KRBN I agree, it is incredibly frustrating. I don't know if another warning might help. I'll look through the procedures for reporting vandalism, and keep an eye out. If he does it again, we'll have no choice but reporting him. Best regards. --Valentinian 20:30, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * He's at it again. I've reported him. --Valentinian 23:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

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A comment of yours?
Hello, this comment was signed with your name but written by an anon. Is it from you, accidentally logged out? Or someone impersonating you? Angr/ talk 16:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Template
Just give me a few minutes to check. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It appears to be the last couple of edits. I'm not sure what you were tyring for so I can't really help too much. I went back two edits and the template looks OK but it may not be what you were aiming for. Let me know. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The English one uses Template:FA Premier League teamlist. From what I understand, you would need to create Template:Cypriot First Division teamlist. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You might want to try User talk:Pumpie as he was the one that created it. I'm not to good at templates myself. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Football template
Whoah! You've got a lot of userboxes... but anyway... I'm not terribly skilled with templates, but I'm having a look. brenneman {T}  {L}  12:01, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Greetings Friend
I applaud your efforts to spread the truth about Cyprus here in Wikipedia. I hope that in the very near future we can help each other write some new articles and/or make a list of articles about Cyprus that should be written. Εφχαριστο. Ο αγωνας της Κυπρου ειναι αθανατη.(UNFanatic 04:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC))


 * Hello again. thelo na sou po oti o A Garnet einai karakiozis kai ego prepei na eimai pio prosektikos.  Autos einai antipalos ton Kyprion kai mporeis na to deis sto User contributions.  Actions speak louder than words.  I apologize for the Talk page here but I had to do it.  prepei na me doun san   impartial person .  Prospathouse na valli POV gia karakioslikia.  Again I appologize.(UNFanatic)

Really a Greek?
The difference between a Greek and a Cypriot is that a GREEK can be concerned about the fate of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, the Pontus Greeks and genocides, the ethnic cleansing and exproptiations of the Istanbul, Imvros and Tenedos Greeks, the survival of the Greeks in Jerusalem and the areas around it, the pressures on the Aegean, the Macedonian issue. A CYPRIOT is educated to be interested in Cyprus (that is natural); but the ROC 'Koumbarokratia' (group on inter-related political, business and family interests) that run Cyprus and dominate the Cypriot diaspora, are not good for Greece. They push on Greece, on the Greeks and on the Diaspora nothing but the Cyprus issue - everything must be about them; on occasions one senses that those Cypriots are indifferent, if not hostile to the fate of Greece. As some prominent figures in Athens comment, the Republic of Cyprus is tight-fisted (tsingounides), it tends to use, abuse and exploit financially, diplomatically and militarily the Greek state, it exploits the military occupation and it exploits the ponos (pain), hopes and justified fears of ordinary Greek Cypriots.

As for the invasion, this is the situation: the Turkish army, following the Treaty of Guarantee, intervened in Cyprus, in July 1974. Within a few months, it was obvious that the Republic and Greece enjoyed stable democratic institutions, so it became obvious that the Turkish military presence was no longer justified; therefore, what could initially be justified as an intervention became, an illegal military occupation. In international parlance, the continued presence constitutes an invasion. The Turkish Cypriots felt (and arguably still feel) safe with that presence; this does not legalize the presence of 35,000 troops. A solution was offered in April 2004, backe by the UN, US, Ankara, former Presidents Clerides and Vassiliou, Greece, as especially the EU. It was sunk by the Koumbarokratia; result: the troops stay, the north does not know where it stands, Greek Cypriot pain remains and the south just keeps getting richer and on the back of the EU, Greece and the north. Efharisto for your attention for what must be quite a flawed answer.Politis 13:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Referendum: Clerides and Vassiliou negotiated for this pland and backed it. AKEL backed it and then made a bafling U-turn 24 hours before the vote. The contents of the plan had been outlined as far back as and the Boutros Ghali set of proposals (1992?); it had been re-outlined by Hannay in Bruges (or Brussels) in the late 1990s. Under Clerides, the Annan was becoming safe. But under Papadopoulos, in the vocal opinion of many, Nicosia intentionally went all out to make sure that the plan was as unacceptable as possible to the GC side. He and his koumbarokratia did not want it to pass or to be turned down by a small majority; they wanted a giga-majority against it and then hide behind the EU. So, yes, in many aspects it was unacceptable, but it is ROC diplomatic duplicity (and sabbotage?) that made it so. Besides, with Annan under the belt, Cyprus the whole island would have been in the EU. The EU! A new era would have begun within the EU. Greek Cypriots could be leaving their stamp in the north and in Turkey. But it seems that the koumbarokratia only feels safe, important and prosperous in the current status quo.Politis 17:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick ps, if any of these comments offend ordinary Greek Cypriots, put it down to the clumsiness of the language used, not to the sentiments of their author.Politis 17:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

You lost me on Iraq. Anyhow, I think that we both desire the same thing: that Cyprus is not dominated by Ankara. But we choose different paths. I believe in the historical ability of Greeks (be they from Thessaloniki, Istanbul or Nicosia) to blossom in southeast Europe, Anatolia and the Middle East; to live in a dynamic region with all their traditional neighbours. On the other hand, the koumbarokratia wants to keep everything as it is: no new blood, and to prevent young GC from having an impact on the region. They want total control. Perhaps they are doing the right thing (Hellenism moves and survives in mysterious ways) but I am not convinced and I wish Annan had gone through.Politis 18:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Paphos District
Hi KRBN,

I'm a bit puzzled about your edit to Paphos District. You write that it is the only district entirely controlled by internationally recognized government of Cyprus. What about Lemesos? Or were you thinking about the Akrotiri Base? Best regards --Valentinian (talk) 22:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair use
Read WP:FU. Club logos can't be used like national flags. Citing other pages where they are is not a valid argument. ed g2s &bull; talk 18:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Football in Cyprus
I have sorted out your template, please leave messages on my talk page, not my user page. ed g2s &bull; talk 19:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

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Cyprus-geo-stub
Hi - I note you've recently created a new stub category. Did you realise that stub categories should normally be cleared by WikiProject Stub sorting before creation? That way they can be vetted to check that there are a viable number of stubs (in the case of geography stubs, a threshold of 65 is used), that the category does not cross the existing stub hierarchy before the stub is created, and that the templates and categories follow the naming guidelines for stub types.

If you can provide any information on why the stub was created, please add a note to entry for the stub at WikiProject Stub sorting/Discoveries giving the reason for it. In addition, if there is any Wikiproject associated with the stub add that information. Thanks.

In the case of this stub, it conforms well with the stub hierarchy, and has been fixed so as to work with the other stub types, but at the last tally of geography stubs (two weeks ago) there were only 43 geography stubs relating to Cyprus. As such it was about 15th in line for the creation of a stub template, and not really of sufficient size to automatically receive its own geo-stub. It was close enough to it, however, that this template is not likely to be automatically taken to Stub types for deletion. If you wish to make any future stub templates or categories, please follow the stub creation guidelines and propose them first. Grutness...wha?  01:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * ''I have created this stub because in the category cyprus stubs there was a template which was saying: "This category is maintained by WikiProject: Stub sorting.

Please propose new stub categories here before creating fresh categories and templates." I just followed this instruction. Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals Personally I have purposed this stub (i was 81.4.163.134) but unfortunatelly my purpose was deleted by the rever of User:Bruce1ee.''
 * As for wikiproject, see WikiProject Stub sorting and then see how big is cyprus stub, which is a mess.

Well, the reversion of your edit to WP:WSS/P was wrong (and probably an accident), but it still wouldn't have told us anything - all it said was "See cyprus-stub". Cyprus-stub leads to a small stub category - they're generally only split when they have about 600 stubs or more in them. We've still got some waiting to be split with over 2000 stubs. A category with only 200 or so stubs is not really an urgent split at all. And it certainly isn't a mess - it's actually a very reasonable category and quite nicely maintained, by the looks of it. If you want to see the sort of category that does qualifty as a mess needing urgent splitting, you should have a look at some of the categories on WikiProject Stub sorting/To do. Grutness...wha?  11:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * "This category is maintained by WikiProject: Stub sorting. Please propose new stub categories here before creating fresh categories and templates." I just followed the instructions in cyprus-stub category. see what it writes there

Well, exactly. You should have done just that. What you did was go to WP:WSS/P and say "see Cyprus-stub". Saying "see Cyprus-stub" doesn't tell us anything - it certainly isn't making a proposal to create a new stub - it's simply telling us to look at a category which looked perfectly acceptable and didn't need any changes. If you'd actually proposed a new stub, even if only by saying "I think we need a cyprus-geo-stub because there are a lot of geo-stubs relating about Cyprus", then at least it would have been some sort of proposal. In any case, if the propsal was removed from the page, why didn't you replace it? There's no way of us debating a proposal if it's not on the page to debate! Grutness...wha?  12:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Celtic F.C. footballers
Please don't remove cfr tags from categories while the rename discussion is still ongoing — if you wish to comment on the proposal, you can do so at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. Cheers — sjorford (talk)  08:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Inter Bratislava and Spartak Hradec Králové
Spartak is a czech football club and cant be a former name of "Inter Bratislava" --Ureinwohner 21:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Re Category:Greek Cypriots
I'm sorry, but you must be mistaken. I reverted your placing of a speedy deletion tag on Category:Greek Cypriots (assuming you are User:81.4.163.134). I was later involved in discussion (here), and left a message requesting that you use edit summaries to explain why you were deleting the categories. User:JoanneB later blocked you for an hour after you continued to remove the categories without explaining your reasoning. I am not a sysop, and if you look at this, you will notice that the only two people who have blocked you have been User:JoanneB and User:Mel Etitis. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 08:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry Warning
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Turkish Cypriots
Since you claim to be against racism, how can you remove the references to bias against Turkish Cypriots in Football (Soccer) as it has been documented that Turkish Cypriot sportsmen had always been discriminated against in all sports (and this is before the events of 1963 and 1974)? Is this something you can properly challenge me on, or is it the ingrained Greek/Greek-Cypriot hatred of the Turkish Cypriots speaking here? Oh, and by the way, I do support the recognition of the TRNC. Expatkiwi

Temper, Temper! That is not the language to use on Wikipedia. That type of ranting with profanity can get you blocked. In any case, your answer confirmed a suspicion that I have had for a while: Greeks are too hard-headed to see any side of an argument but their own. When I made my decision about whose side to support, at least I looked at both arguments carefully before making my decision. If you are against racism, then how can you stand the treatment of minorities in Greece by the Greek majority? Albanians, Turks, Macedonians, and Bulgarians are given a pretty raw deal in Greece despite the international conventions that the Hellenic Republic signed on to. There's a word for that: Hypocrisy. You might like to look up that word in the dictionary sometime. And while I don't deny the excesses of TMT, EOKA, and EOKA-B were not exactly boy scouts either. The bottom line is that if people cannot live together, then partition is the only answer. Expatkiwi

My birth-nation - New Zealand - fought with Greek military forces in Mainland Greece and Crete against the Nazis in world war 2 (and a lot died). I know about the U.S. support for the Military Junta in the early '70's, and I do not approve of that (and I did not vote for President Bush either, by the way). But I also do not approve of attempts to annex Cyprus to Greece. The Enosis dream is still alive and well. You government praises those (EOKA) who forced out Turkish Cypriots from Government and their homes in 1963 and kept them in enclaves until that coup in 1974. Turkish Cypriots have every right to live in peace and security, and if the Cypriot Government was unwilling to do that, then partition was the only way to avoid ethnic cleansing and wholesale murder, which is what would have happened had Sampson succeeded. If people started thinking themselves as Cypriot first, then perhaps things could have worked, but when your country prefers flying the Greek Flag over the Cypriot one, and when your President stops any attempt at reconciliation (see the Annan Plan), then it sounds to me like it's the Northern Cypriots who are the wronged party. I say NO to Enosis, NO to the embargo. Expatkiwi P.S., Why is your National Anthem the same as Greece's? I don't think its a co-incidence...

User KRBN, stop talking lot of crap and read some real facts instead of spitting out the fictious lies you were tought at the Greek Cypriot schools, your Church and your parents. You yourself have mentioned above that EOKA fighter joined EOKA B and murdered Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. But then you mention that EOKA is seen as heroes and not the murdering swines that they were. Your own government is run by the old EOKA, T/Paps was and EOKA murderer who murdered men, women and children not only Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots who were against ENOSIS but they also murdered the British too. All this was done in the name of ENOSIS starting in the mid 50's against the British and 1963 onwards against the Turkish Cypriots. You Greeks and Greek Cypriots by joined forces tried to eliminate/genocide the Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus NOT for freedom but for ENOSIS.

Makarios, the so-called "man-of-God" was the leader of the murdering EOKA and together with the other murdering swines like Tassos Papadopolous (your present so-called President of the so-called "Republic of Cyprus"), Grivas, Samson and other murdering swines devised the Akritas plan to genocide us Turkish Cypriots so that you could have your ENOSIS.

From 1963 to 1974 you Greeks and Greek Cypriots tried your best to genocide us Turkish Cyprios in Cyprus but you were weak and could not manage to eliminate us so in 1974 you gave it another try but this time Turkey came to our rescue and kicked your arses so hard that you still can't sit down without pain. You tried to genocide us Turkish Cypriots and steal our lands but in the end you lost some of yours and now you are crying like a baby who lost it's dummy.

The Greek Cypriots wanted not only the whole island for themselves but they also wanted our (Turkish Cypriots) lives, they were not satisfied with only taking our lands. The Greek Cypriots had more power and more money back then in Cyprus and they could easily have bought the Turkish Cypriot owned lands and declared ENOSIS within 10-15 years but no, they had to murder us, why? they had to kill us because they like murdering Turks and Muslims. The Greeks and Greek Cypriots (and don't tell me the Greeks and Greek Cypriots are not the same people) are thirsty for Turkish and Muslim blood, they proved that when they joined the Serbs in the massacre of 7000 Muslims in Srebrenica flying the Greek flag.

It's time for you to wake up and repent your sins and ask for forgiveness from the dead Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. It's time for you to get on your knees and ask for forgiveness from your God. It's also time for you to realise that the island has been devided and devided it will stay. You Greeks/Greek Cypriots have only yourselves to blame and thank for this division.

'''IT'S OVER, THE ISLAND HAS NOW TWO STATES AND THE TRNC WILL BE RECOGNISED NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CRY. '''

By TC*