User talk:Kablammo/Archive 14.1

BLP requirements
Allegations should not be reported as fact. This article clearly violates that requirement. This article needs to clearly distinguish between allegations and proven facts, especially as only three convictions were obtained. Kablammo (talk) 21:17, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Why Minneapolis
If this operation was being run by gangs in three different cities, why are we identifying it with one of them? --Nat Gertler (talk) 00:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)


 * The very name of the article likely violates BLP, as it implies a degree of conspiracy that was alleged but for the most part does not appear to have been proved. Kablammo (talk) 19:19, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Notability
This topic appears to be insufficiently notable to have an article. Yes, there was news coverage around the arrests and the convictions, but that falls under WP:NOTNEWS. The article is absent of any lasting sign of import of this particular case, and the conviction of three people would seem a drip in the US's prostitution bucket. I am restoring the notability tag that another editor deleted without stated reason; please do not remove it until some lasting notability is shown. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:31, 14 November 2017 (UTC)


 * It's notable I believe as it was the longest that Minnesota had ever seen in terms of organised child sex trafficking, and led to the Minnesota state legislature passing the "Safe Harbor for Sexually Exploited Youth Act" in 2011. -User:Jack_Coppit —Preceding undated comment added 16:26, 14 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Neither of these claims are in the text, and either of them would have to be sourced to be included. And considering the ratio of charged-to-convicted, the claims about size would have to be other than mere accusation. --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Appeal
Am I reading this correctly, namely that the three convicted individuals appealed successfully? I think we should move this article to draft space until we can establish what happened. SarahSV (talk) 20:18, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and deleted this article, per WP:BLPDELETE. That doesn't mean that it has to stay deleted, but a draft needs to be established that is free of BLP violations, and that will take some time to write. I suggest that it be started at Draft:Minneapolis child sex abuse ring. I could copy this version over, minus the most problematic parts and the names, but it might be better to start from scratch. But I can certainly copy the citations over, so let me know what you'd prefer. SarahSV (talk) 20:27, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I've asked for input at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. SarahSV (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2017 (UTC)