User talk:Kacie Jane/Archive 3

Redirects
Oh yeah. I deleted those two. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 19:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

USSH
I don't have strong feelings about which link to use if the name is displayed properly. However, NE2 is one of the few users who are digilent in fixing improperly displayed links. If using redirects when making links helps in this task, then why not use the redirects instead of the article title? It's inevitable though that there will be friction with people who hate linking to redirects. --Polaron | Talk 04:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

CA-210
It's okay, I tend to do the same myself sometimes. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Interstate 195 (New Jersey)
The NJ state shield of I-195 is based on the vintage shield found on the page. Rving back to the stste shield. V60 23:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * So what? The image does render properly, you just have to shift-reload a couple times.  And if you click on the link that takes you to the image file itself, it will render properly. V60 23:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Good, but please use. Cleaning up, no using NJ shield. V60 00:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but we can still add the srbox somewhere, preferably bottom. V60 00:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As said on WP:IH: The infobox for this WikiProject is Infobox Interstate. It says nothing more, not even about using Infobox road.  We can still add srbox with a link to List of New Jersey state highways as the 2-letter abbreviation.  That being said, it would look like this:


 * Removed is the GSP, as mentioned in page history.

Middle of I-95
I wouldn't have questioned it unless it had been changed, and it was changed from US 64 in Rocky Mount to "in Virginia", so I figured out where it was. Here's how I did it; I screwed up at first. I added all the kilometres together (added the first column I chose, wasn't paying attention), then converted them to miles. I did not include West Spur or Total from New Jersey; just Main Route and Trenton Area (that part is a little confusing, I hope I did it right). I got 1915.42 miles, divided it by 2, and got 957.71. I then added miles starting from Florida, added Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina, which gave me 874.66 miles. Then I subtracted 957.71 from 874.66, and I got 83.05. Of course, technically, the exit for a mile is always +1 from the mile marker (never an exit 0), so I guess it would be Exit 84 which is I-295. I'm going to re-do it, then I'll put this on the I-95 talk page. New Jersey kind of messes it up. --MPD01605 (T / C) 00:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I just re-did the calculations. Included the same (but added the miles this time.  I got 1915.32, so half is 957.66.  There are 874.67 miles Florida-N. Carolina, subtracted, got 82.99 miles into Virginia.  Good enough for government work.  Like I said, the "approximated middle" has been there for months, so at least it's correct for now.  We could just approximate "near where it intersects I-295".  Just gives a better idea of where rather than an obscure state route.  Just my opinion.  Those mileages don't equal the one listed in the routebox, either, btw.  --MPD01605 (T / C) 00:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes
We've got another issue at WT:USRD. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 23:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

NYSR-NYCR Newsletter - Issue 1

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New Jersey vs. Circle Signs
It's not clear to me why the New Jersey highway signs were changed to Circle Sign, but why would there be a need to change them back. If they're the same as generic images, why change them? Alansohn 07:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Year established
What are you using as a source? Alansohn 08:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The articles on the 1927 renumbering and 1953 renumbering, and the unofficial route logs. -- NORTH talk 08:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see any dates in either the 1927 or 1953 articles. I do use the unofficial route logs as sources, but isn't there some official source that shows these dates? Alansohn 08:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Florida State Road 372A
The standard for naming the Florida state road pages is "Florida State Road xxx", this includes decommissioned routes. County routes that were never state roads would be, using Little Road in Pasco County as an example - "Pasco County, Florida Road 1" (I think, if there's an official standard for CRs I'm not sure of it); but former SRs retain the SR format. - Aerobird 15:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * An additional comment on this issue: to Aerobird, if a decommissioned route now carries multiple designations, then an article can be created using the decommissioned route number. But, if that decommissioned route became another designation along its entire routing, then the article title should reflect its current status (which appears to be CR 372A). This is the current consensus on Wikipedia, accepted almost unilaterally by every state WP. If you have any issues with this standard, please voice them at WT:USRD, as this is an issue that would impact not only the Florida State Road WP, but the entire U.S. roads umbrella. -- T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 15:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Just came across this...thanks for clarifying that. I reckon that makes sense, thanks. - Aerobird Target locked - Fox One! 01:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Your comment is requested
Your comment and/or vote is requested at Articles for deletion/Unused highway and Articles for deletion/List of unused highways. Thanks  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 15:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

NYSR-NYCR Newsletter - Issue 2

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County sign help
I noticed you've created the county pentagons for pretty much the state of NJ, so I was wondering if you could help me. I need some signs for here in Florida; if I give you the numbers, county names, etc. (they're the same standard MUTCD (I think that's the right acronym) that's nationwide, i.e. NJ, FL, LA, etc.), would you be able to help? Please and thank you! EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 13:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No problems! Let me know when you get some time; I'm not in a rush.  I have plenty of infoboxes to do in NJ to keep me occupied, anyway. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 18:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, man. I really appreciate your help with this.  What I need is the following:


 * Pinellas
 * 150, 183, 296, 416, 501, 582, 611, 694, 712


 * Hillsborough
 * 580, 581, 582, 582A, 583, 587, 685A


 * Pasco
 * 1, 54, 587


 * Whenever you can get to them is fine by me. Not top priority, just let me know when you get them done.  Thanks again for your help and anything you need help with, lemme know! EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 13:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. Hey, someone's gotta do them, you know!  And thanks again for doing the county signs.  I can't wait to use them for info boxes down here! EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 18:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I normally don't do that. I'm only doing that when I need to save space (and get it as close to the 10 jct limit in WP:USH), but a lot of the ones that have had less than 10 (CR 557 for example) were done to spec.  I noticed you fixed the CR 527 one, and thanks for that.  That one was just too damn long anyway you looked at it.
 * Also, thanks for correcting the Toms River Twp link; seeing as I'm stuck here in FL, I didn't know they actually passed it yet. I knew they were talking about it for years, though, so I'm glad to see they actually made them conform.  Thanks for catching that! EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 18:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I'm from NJ also (Pedricktown), and I'm right now hitting all the routes I've ever been on. It's just been a while since I've been back, so I might be a little rusty.  But yeah, if you guys wanna clean up after me, you're welcome to do so. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 19:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, no worries. How would you know?  Unless you're stalking me, I wouldn't expect you to know.  I'm not mad, I swear.  And it's my pleasure to help out where I can.  BTW, I've added one more to the list I forgot about; it's the one underlined up in the list.  Thanks again for doing that for me, and thanks for helping me clean up the boxes I'm making; who knows?  We could get infoboxes on all of NJ's SRs and CRs by the end of the month! EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 13:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes and no; CR 536 is (somewhat) signed that it multiplexes with US 322 btwn the CBB and Williamstown, whereas CR 540 never makes it known it's twined with NJ 140; even though it's less than a mile long, one sign wouldn't hurt. I'll leave this call up to you.  I mean, the general public would assume CR 540 starts at the US 40 exit ramp since it's signed as such (I think there's actually an "End" sign on CR 540 coming WB from NJ 45 at US 40, but like I've said before, it's been a few years...), while people would assume CR 536 is the same as US 322 b/c it's signed sporatically (Swedesboro, Mullica Hill, Glassboro, and Pitman come to mind).  But, you're technically right; after looking back at the SLD's, they do appear to multi from 130 out to 140's end.  That's a tough one; if only CR 536 wasn't signed....


 * As for the signs, they're great! I really appreciate you doing that for me; I'm gonna get started adding them to the lists now.  And I'll get back to NJ when I'm at work on Monday (how else would I have time?) :-) EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 21:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Great! Will do, and I'll make sure everything's updated ASAP. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 16:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I forgot before; can I get a Pinellas County 752 as well? I know I'm demanding, but it's only cause I'm a perfectionist ;-)  Thanks, man!  Oh, and no rush neeed. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 16:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I295
Please read again Embedded list, Lists (stand-alone lists) and WP:LIST. There are already much guidelines about how to make a list in Wikipedia. Even there is Featured Lists and they do not merely contain tabular lists; they must be well-written and well-referenced. Try for example, List of volcanoes in Indonesia.

Yes, Future Development is a fact and it is well-referenced, but it is not yet an encyclopaedic item. I don't recall any future projects, future events, future plans in any encyclopaedia books.

Oh yes, you may ask for re-review. That's what WP:GA/R for. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 18:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * See : only some media outlets capitalize "exit". Wikipedia tends to avoid capitalization when it's only done sometimes, like with directions. --NE2 00:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (capital letters) --NE2 00:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

County road sheilds
Since it's up your alley ;-), and if it isn't too much trouble, could the following CR shields be made available? They're all for Pasco County, Florida: CRs 1, 77, 595, 595A (page needing them). Thanks. :-) - Aerobird Target locked - Fox One! 01:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem, thanks! - Aerobird Target locked - Fox One! 13:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks great, mucho thanks! - Aerobird Target locked - Fox One! 18:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Interstate 82
Crispy1985 blanked a great deal of material from that article without an edit summary, after which you edited it, so I assume the blanking is part of the cleanup? I didn't want to revert without checking in with you first. Can you look over the stuff that was removed and perhaps leave a note on the article's talk page? Thanks! Katr67 16:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Oregon Highways
After reading your suggestions, for the time being, I've modified my edits on OR 6 to 10 to conform to your edit to my edit on OR 3. I have no objection to the secret highway number article being rejected.

One idea might be to move the highway cross-references to an infobox. Dan ad nauseam 23:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

New NJ County Routes page
Actually, I like it, but I was kinda taken that we were taking off the 500's as well. I mean, I can see the upside (save space, consistency), however, I was looking for at the very least a link to the 500's near the top. I mean, it's good to have it in the box as well, but something toward the top would have been cool, if we couldn't leave the list as it was up there. Other than that, the only other qualm I found was the "500-series county routes" link in the infoboxes. Maybe we could make it look a little more encyclopedic, like "New Jersey 5xx County Routes", or even just capitalizing the letters in what's up there right now. Otherwise, I actually like it, and I have an idea for the list now in the 5xx page.

Why don't we make the 5xx in table form, sort of like an exit list? It would show the shield, of course a link to the route, the start point, the major cities it passes through (if none, just the biggest one), and the end point. If people want more info, go to the page; if not, they got their info in a glance. Any qualms? EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 14:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I just finally had a chance to look at what you sent (heck of a weekend), and I like the table you have going there. The only problem is we would need to create more county shields (a lot of them), so if we're cool with that, we could do it.  I actually think it looks better than I had in mind (mine was going to look like an exit list, for some strange reason); I think adding the locales would be cool though, so long as it didn't make the article too long.


 * I see what you're saying about the name of the county routes, but I dunno; I just think for aesthetics it would look better as "500-Series County Routes", but I definitely see your point nonetheless. Lemme know what you need me to do to help out with those tables! EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 15:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No problem; I'll get on that as soon as I can. I'm going out tonight, but I'll start first thing in the morning. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 23:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

CR 573 non-existant?
First off, thank you for naming me Member of the Month! It means a lot to know my work doesn't go unnoticed.

However, the issue at hand is CR 572. According to the SLD's, there's no such road. Seeing as I'm 1100 miles away, it's a little too far for me to go check. Also, the route info on the wikipage is pretty vague and not as detailed as the rest I'm finding. Should this be deleted? If not, where I can get the info to cite it? Maybe it was decommissioned into a 600 and I should rename it? EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 16:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry bout that. I forgot all about those lines; I'll make sure I get them on all the new infoboxes I do, and when I get some time, I'll back over the other ones I've already done.  Thanks for the heads-up!


 * As for CR 573, we'll leave it, btu I really don't enough info per se for an infobox, so what should I do about that? Without an SLD, is it even worth it? EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 21:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * LOL, that's all my fault. You did a fine job explaining; I just didn't clink the link and inserted the lines you mentioned.  Guess that's what I get when I don't read all the directions.  I'll learn for next time...trust me! EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 17:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's hard to tell where the original info for 573 came from, but I'm pretty sure it was somewhere. The SLD for NJ 168 shows CR 573 heading south overlaying NJ 41 in Runnemede, although 573 doesn't appear on the SLD for NJ 154, which is listed as the other terminus. SPUI's info on 573 may well answer the issue in explaining that 573 is a concurrency with NJ 41, which would explain the lack of a separate SLD for CR 573. Alansohn 21:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Roads Newsletter Issue #1

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Monmouth County Routes
Thanks for the props! I'm gonna try to finish today, if I can...

1.) I've been doing the Easter Eggs thing for a while.  While it doesn't make sense to me (if they want to know what it is, click on it; Wikipedia's not paper), I still respect your decision as leader of the project and'll make the adjustments accordingly;

2.) There's a mistake in the SLD's???  Say it ain't so!  Actually, look here and you'll see what I mean; the SLD has CR 551 going through a township on the other side of the county, as well as circling around on itself, if you went only by the township names.  It took me two links to Google Maps to show (since I lived on it) what the correct township flow was for this road.  So, this wouldn't be the first screw-up NJ made in its "official" documents.  Thanks for the heads-up on that one, though!  I was wondering why you made a CR 6 sign if there wasn't one.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EaglesFanInTampa (talk • contribs) 16:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

Also, I almost forgot (besides my signature, apparently...oops!), there's a missing shield in the Monmouth's: CR 36. Other than that, the list is done. Tell me whatcha think! EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 17:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

NYSR-NYCR Newsletter - Issue 3

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Interstate 95 in New Jersey
I can see why you reverted the exit list edits I made but you do need to state somewhere that I-95 does not presently provide access to exits 6A, 6, and the Turnpike because this can be misleading to readers. Yes it is techincally I-95 but is not signed as such. It also causes confusion that the above list says I-95 ends but then there is this whole list below. Jgcarter 19:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, but cant you just put a reminder in the header? Even I found it a bit confusing at first glance. You are correct in saying that my disclaimer was incorrect but some kind of reminder is warrented for this list. I hope I am not offending you with my suggestions. Jgcarter 19:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, its hard to tell sometimes the mood of the writer via the internet so I wanted to make sure we were on the same page :). Anyways, something similar to my most recent edit that clarified the "official" I-95 and the "signed" I-95. It probably needs a rewrite, though, to be more clear. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jgcarter (talk • contribs) 19:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC).


 * I like what you and Polran did to the exit list...good idea! Jgcarter 19:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Careful, you are at your third revert for today and the rule is 3 reverts per day per person...I'll handle the reverts from here ;) Jgcarter 19:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I only see one revert by him on that page...where else has he reverted? Oh well, he gave up anyways...lol —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jgcarter (talk • contribs) 23:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC).  Jgcarter 23:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * If I'm not mistaken, I believe the rule means one person cant do more than 3 reverts on Wikipedia as a whole. Meaning if I do a revert on here, a revert on another page, then a revert on another page, Im done. This helps out in edit wars. So yes, he has 2 reverts left, you have 1, and I have 3...thats only for today (actually, 24 hours from your last revert). Please correct me if Im wrong. Jgcarter 23:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, good. Thats still our 6 versus his 3...lol —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jgcarter (talk • contribs) 23:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

County Route 549 Spur (New Jersey)
I'm not sure what the best way to handle the gallery is, but the way it has been situated on the County Route 549 Spur (New Jersey) article it cuts off the flow. The pictures on the right didn't do the job any better, and putting them on the left is likely worse. The gallery format, by its nature, takes up a lot of space, while offering a mere thumbnail of an image. It also creates the appearance that the article ends at that point, discouraging people from scrolling down further. That is what was behind my shifting the gallery below the links. Despite your references to links always last, there are a number of items -- most notably succession boxes and other such templates -- that the WP:MoS specifies placing after the links section. I would suggest that we rethink how these gallery sections are placed, especially if they are not adding anything to the content of the article. Alansohn 20:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Roads Newsletter Issue #2
Apologies for the late delivery. Filling in for Vishwin60: Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 05:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

New Jersey Route 41
I was just trying to play with the spacing in the infobox and have no objection to your change. We should probably try to do a better job of standardizing the links, because there is a lot of inconsistency in which links are included. Alansohn 04:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the award
Thanks for that, even though I think I sounded whiny in my last comment. My only concern was making lots of rules would only make things more difficult especially for new editors per WP:CREEP. Anyway, thanks again. --Polaron | Talk 04:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox road
The huge change that was implemented by me was discussed on IRC by TMF, Rschen7754, and myself. We all agreed on the change, and I was just being bold and doing it.

On a side note, there may be some things, such as this, that are not discussed on WT:USRD or anywhere else like that. It would greatly be appreciated if you could join discussions on IRC, since that is the place where many quick and sometimes long discussions occur.  V 6 0  VTalk · VDemolitions 16:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

IRC
I'm having issues with IRC. I've got mIRC, and everytime I try to connect, it's "unable resolve server". It's frustrating (not so much, just a little). I have to also point out I have no clue what I'm doing and the tutorials on- and off-wikipedia/media don't help. Any tips? Thanks man, -- M PD T / C 23:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Newark Airport Interchange
I will acknowledge that the article has its issues, including making several unsupported (if not unsupportable) statements and the whole issue if the Turnpike is part of it or not. What I'm still trying to figure out is how vehicles got from Exit 14 into Newark Airport if there was no I-78? While I have my misgivings, I don't see why I-78 could not have been thrown into the mix at a later date. I spend much of time on Wikipedia either adding material with sources, or adding sources where needed, in many cases to articles on AfD that I have tried to improve. This article presents a much more difficult challenge in the way it was worded and constructed. I was surprised to see your vehemence in this issue, especially given how hard you have worked on the minutiae of New Jersey's county roads, almost all of which is based on putting the lone primary source we have (the SLDs) into text and infoboxes. I would much rather spend my time filling in the holes and improving the articles we have than arguing about an AfD. We have truly accomplished great things on New Jersey's roads and I'm not sure that any other state has the comprehensive coverage that has been attained as has been done for New Jersey. Alansohn 00:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I have no issue whatsoever with your latest edits. It describes what I've been describing, and removes most of the baggage of the original article. Alansohn 07:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you agree with my edits. I was hoping I wasn't doing anything too controversial by removing that section. But do you see now (not agree with, but understand) what I was saying when I said that the material can be adequately covered on the individual route articles?  All that's left is some measley sentences that I could count on my fingers.  The paragraph that you've added in about the opening date and such can go in the history section of New Jersey Turnpike.  The first few sentences of the second paragraph can go on Interstate 78 in New Jersey.  The other articles just need a sentence stating that there's a complex interchange by the airport that intersects these other routes. What is there in this article worth keeping that isn't better put somewhere else? -- NORTH talk 08:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Your edits definitely improved the article. You end up with one of the better short articles on Wikipedia. Brief, concise and well-sourced. A few pictures and more details would be ideal. You'd have to put that same information in five articles and accomplish little but creating a synchronization nightmare. Alansohn 12:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you object to a move to interchange at Newark Airport now that the AfD is closed? -- NORTH talk 02:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't that be even more problematic? We have sources for Newark Airport Interchange, but not the reverse. How about "Newark Airport interchange"? Alansohn 02:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

New Jersey Route 82
Thanks for following up on me and fixing things like disambiguation and the like. I always think I know which place names need to be disambiguated, and I'm always wrong. -- NORTH talk 08:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The advantages of working together... The advantage of a watchlist is that it allows each of us to look over each other's shoulders to ensure that articles are clean. Though, I still wish that there was some indication that a link was to a dab page, so that you could distinguish between blue links. Alansohn 12:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

rfu
The confusion is all mine -- I was thinking of the I3 clause... which, incidentally, it is probably long past time to get rid of. Jkelly 02:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

 V 6 0  VTalk · VDemolitions 20:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

commons:Image:Map-WA-525.svg
Restored. I also added the license tag. MesserWoland 17:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Black Horse Pike/White Horse Pike
We have many New Jersey article referencing these roadways, but we have articles for neither of them. Have you come across any sources that we can use to define these roadways and create articles for them? Alansohn 04:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Shields
Good luck with the Louisiana shields. You starting doing them at a good time, I had done quite a few a few months back, but forgot to upload them. Finally uploaded them earlier this week. If you need any help, let me know. Some of them are "fun" to get the number shoehorned in there,  for example, not sure how many of those are left, if any. --Holderca1 13:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just fixed the infobox to call only the svg shields. Yeah, Louisiana has been fairly neglected, I would start the state subproject, but I have enough to keep me busy as it is.  --Holderca1 17:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I had made an svg shield for every png that was out there, there wasn't that many png to start with. That project sounds like a good idea.  It is interesting how the states that don't have a subproject are grouped together, mainly the lower Mississippi River Valley and Rocky Mountain states don't have projects.  --Holderca1 19:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, I am pretty close to quitting the project anyway, getting fed up with some of the folks here. I was new to this part of Wikipedia during SRNC, but now I see why they quit. --Holderca1 02:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

On the working on LA shields, I say just go in order and if I work on any I will start at the end and work my way back. If we get close to meeting than we can figure out who has what, right now I am working on finishing off Florida's shields so don't worry about me stepping on your toes. --Holderca1 06:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)