User talk:Kagite

11:39, 5 October Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Byakuren Kaikan
Hello and thank you for your welcome. I'm a new user and not that used to the world of Wikipedia. My first effort to contribute to the encyclopedia is the article on the Byakuren Kaikan, which now risks to be deleted for reasons I can't say I really agree with. Anyway, I added as much references and sources I can, although most of them are in Japanese. As for today I added more articles I could find on some magazines, please check the discussion page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Byakuren_Kaikan

Also, I would like to know if there is anything else I could do to prevent this page from being deleted as it costed me time and effort to create it and I'd like it to be a reference for anyone looking for information on this style on the web in English.

Thanks a lot for your attention.

Kagite (talk) 11:40, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Byakuren Kaikan
Hope my comment on the AfD debate was clear. I think your article has a place but those sources have to get incorporated into the article rather then piled into the debate. What the article needs are sources other then the organisation talking about its-self. News articles, etc, are much better and I think there are some of those. I used to walk by the Honbu often enough - just never went in.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:07, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

BK
I am sorry but as I said I'm new (moreover I'm not a native Eng speaker) and there are many things I'm still a bit confused. First of all how to communicate between us...

The reason I was "piling up" sources was that I was a bit shocked the article risks deletion while there are hundreds of pages that simply have a banner warning about the sources not being enough or not clear. Why this one was to deleted? It seemed a bit extreme to me, especially because the style is well know on the scene (at least in Japan).

Also, I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean by "Draft & userfy" and "Draft and the Article"...

If I am to integrate the sources to the article I would like to know better how. The point is that although I could find references in some magazines still most of the information (especially the history and training parts) are based on the book written by Sugihara himself...

Sorry again if I'm creating trouble, I was enthusiast about this project since the number of information available in English is not much but it seems I've messed up a little.

Thank you in advance for any help you could provide me with. Kagite (talk) 13:43, 5 October 2015 (UTC)


 * First of all you did not create trouble and are not the first person to be confused by the requirements. What I suggested is that your article be moved to Draft space where it can be worked on and then with better sources in place moved back to article space.  This is quite common now and in fact most articles start out as Draft where advice is offered before becoming articles.  I assume you are Japanese - you can use Japanese sources no problem and there is nothing wrong in using Sugihara's book.  It is important to have at least a couple of references where the style is talked about by someone not related to the art.  If it is common in Japan then there should be some news source that talks about the art.  In any case let the AfD finish - you don't have to add anything more.  I strongly suspect your article won't get deleted and even if it does I will make sure you have a copy to work on.  Wikipedia has become tougher and sometimes the move to deletion is a bit quick.  Please remember that lots of martial arts styles get suggested and most of them are practiced in only one place by a delusional character - sometimes legitimate. notable styles get caught in the process.Peter Rehse (talk) 14:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

OK I will try to improve the page incorporating more sources. I will create a draft page (I think this is the procedure): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ByakurenKaikan/Kagite Then I will move it back to the original article once finished. Thank you for your support. Kagite (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Again wait until the current AfD is completed - it may be moved to Draft for you or may even be Kept. If you do want to edit - edit the existing article.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Allright, now I got it. Thank you. Kagite (talk) 10:11, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I have revised the page, please let me know what you think. Kagite (talk) 11:06, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

User:Kagite/BK
You really should not have two pages on the same topic - especially now that the AfD is finished with a Keep. Could you blank the /BK page or better replace it with the db-g7 command.Peter Rehse (talk) 22:22, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know about that. It seems somebody already did it for me, the page now redirects to the article. Thank you for letting me know. Kagite (talk) 23:32, 27 October 2015 (UTC)