User talk:Kahuroa/Archive 2

Archive 2: July 2006 — December 2006

matāriki matariki
Can you check please Heliacal rising? It was my understanding that the East-Polynesian year started in November with the Pleiades rising for the first time in dusk. Related to, but not the same as heliacal (but more accurate). --Tauʻolunga 10:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Melanesian mythology

 * Thanks for your offer of help about Melanesian mythology. Capitalistroadster 05:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Lono
I like making the death of Cook a separate section, but I preferred the citation as it was before, indented; it's one continuous quote, and as it is now it looks like several separate pieces. It would be better to summarize it and just include the link, but short of that I think the quote should remain more distinct. What's your thoughts? KarlM 07:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You're, right it is kind of un-wiki; I just didn't have the time or knowledge to fill in and filter everything. I lived in Hawaii for ~10 years, but I'm a biologist not an anthropologist, so I only picked up snippets here and there.  If you've got good documentation I have no problem with you doing it; I don't have any myself, and only came across that reference because it's in public domain through unusual circumstances, and online.  It would be good to include something in the article about Lono/Rongo/etc. in other Polynesian cultures as well.  But it doesn't seem like there's a lot of attention to it now, so there's no hurry.


 * I agree the stuff I added is kind of off-topic for Lono the god, but I think it's important to point out on that page that "Lono" has multiple meanings, especially since the association with Cook is how most people know about it. It might be best to make separate articles for Lono and Lono i ka Makahiki.   KarlM 06:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with what you say. I will get around to filling out the article some time. Thanks for the input and interest! Kahuroa 07:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Nikau
Hi Kahuroa - what's the basis for your comment "nowhere in NZ is subtropical, despite the tourist ads"? The lowlands of North Island and northern South Island, being substantially frost-free (hardiness zone 10-11), are certainly subtropical by most standards of 'temperate' (typically hardiness zones 4-9). As evidence, Nikau (and other NZ North Island species like Kauri) can't be grown in temperate regions except for a very few marginal areas (e.g. the warmest parts of Britain) - MPF 11:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually Kauri can be grown in Dunedin, at the far south of the South Island. See subtropical for the basis of my comment - its a latitude/temperature thing. Brisbane - way hotter than NZ - is subtropical, Sydney - way hotter in the summer, warmer in the winter, is borderline. The NZ regions you mention are relatively mild in the winter, and mild in the summer too, are perhaps 'warm-temperate'. This quote from the article seems to fit NZ, including the areas you mention: 'At latitudes closer to the poles, the subtropical climate gives way to a 'temperate' climate, characterised by annual mean temperatures of less than 20°C and warmest month average temperatures of over 10°C.'Kahuroa 16:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Tohunga Suppression Act
User:L-Bit has created Tohunga Suppression Act which is a useful addition to Wiki. Your input could be beneficial. Moriori 21:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Cheers - appreciated. Made a few comments and edits. And created a Tohunga stub. Kahuroa 00:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

A month later..
Well, you've had a month to consider the admin question... any decision yet? :) Grutness...wha?  10:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * PS - relating to a comment above, there's a kauri growing next to Otago Museum on Great King Street, Dunedin North. It's a baby one (probably about 20 years old, and only 3-4 metres tall), but they can definitely grow down here. As can nikau (there's a big one on Forbury Road, St. Clair, only a few hundred metres from where I live). Grutness...wha?  10:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah I will go for it, but not yet. I am involved with trying to improve the Maori wiki (oh what a fool I must be), and there is a lot of work to do there so I am a bit too distracted at the mo.
 * I've seen the aforesaid kauri. Good on it. Nikau too - cool. Isn't Dunedin colder than London? So you'd think they could survive there too. I love native trees, tho I prefer the kermadec nikau to the mainland one. Much more vigorous and easier to grow. Kahuroa 11:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's probably about the same if you average it out, but London tends to get warmer, wetter summers, and winter cold is different (London gets days of hovering close to zero, with lots of snow - Dunedin gets sharp frosts followed by relatively mild afternoons, and snow in the heart of the city is rare). Both, surprisingly, are relatively dry (their combined rainfall is about the same as Auckland's!), but that's because rain is mainly showers and drizzle rather than heavy downpours. Not sure how those plants would take to London's winters. As to the rfA, I wwon't perster you with it again, but let me know whn you're ready and I'll willingly nominate! Good luck with the Maori wiki :) Grutness...wha?  23:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Mt Cook
Hi, I reverted your cut and paste move of Mount Cook to Aoraki/Mount Cook. Please do not move pages by cuttting and pasting content because that separates the edit history (required under GFDL) from the article content. I've no opinion on the merits of the move, but it should be proposed at Requested moves. Cheers. older ≠ wiser 17:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I think it has been proposed btw. Kahuroa 19:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a friendly advice
Stop using any easy trap vikivikipetia robot. (Unsigned comment by User:Nevers, 21 July 2006).

just a friendly visit
Hallo Kahuroa. Thank you very much for your help in my investigations about "Polynesia" and the polynesian culture in the german wikipedia. All advice you gave me has turned out to be helpful. I've looked around a little bit into what happens in your english spoken WP and found the setting is quite similiar to what is going on in our german WP. Greetings. My German user-name is "Phoenix-R". --212.23.126.6 08:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

polynesian mythology
Hallo Kahuroa. Not knowing if you have seen this web-site before I'll put this Link on your D-site. There's a lot of good and old texts in this library. I Hope that this is of interest for you. Greetings --Phoenix-R 19:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello. yep I knew of that site. You have to be careful with it tho - some of the material is a bit problematic - Smith 1913, Dixon, for instance, and others. Polynesian mythology seems to attract the romanticisers and the make-it-uppers (wie sagt man das auf Deutsch - make-it-uppers !?. Kahuroa 23:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank's for your welcome. Yes I guess that I can understand your objections. Nevertheless do I think that there's some honest stuff in between. But surely some quite romantic viewpoints as well... Don't ask me for a correct translation of "make-it-uppers". "Aufschneider" could come near to it. Greetings --Phoenix-R 00:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)  Maybe "Schönfärber" is better...

Takuu
Do you have any access to information about "Takuu Islands"? I can't find out anything about this island with my means. --Phoenix-R 15:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Found all this on Google.co.nz: a word list - so many of the words are the same as Māori! Language info
 * and this Sinking island story
 * and this Marsden Fund update (also available as a pfd Marsdn23.pdf) and this Auckland uni magazinealumni update (also as a pfd ingenio, p 10) and this pfd which mentions the music of Takuu held at the Archive of South Pacific Music at Auckland Uni. Kahuroa 19:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC). Du kannst auch Prof Moyle emailen bei der Uni Aucklands. Kahuroa 19:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hallo Kahuora. Thanks so much for having investigatet this! Out of this I should surely be able to make some small lemma over „Takuu“. Anyway: For the moment this has do be sufficient. The thing is: I hated this „red links“ in the list of polyensian outliers. So I wanted to resolve the problem in creating some small articles about the "missing" islands, because they did not exist in german WP until now, making ugly reds. Kind of a „cleaning up job“ so far. (mainly I've jused the existing texts in the english WP for this purpose...) Now this should be it for the outliers until another run. There's so much to do in the central parts of the article and I really want to come back to the main themes. So much has to be done there. This has to get back in the center of my attention... Greetings --Phoenix-R 22:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice - I like your plans. Umm - we should collaborate on Takuu the article/Artikel. Kahuroa 05:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I would be pleased. So I have not done anything about it yet and wait for your suggestions. --Phoenix-R 12:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Couldn't find more than that, but the islands situation seems to be dramatic: - - -    CNN says, they were hit by onother Storm this year and the food situation is growing worst. Found details of the travel of Captain James Mortlock as well, who was the first european having sighted the islands, but they are not useful to this article. My suggestion is, that I write a short article for the german WP tomorrow and we add then, what you have found. No problem to work this out in english. I'll translate this bits then into german. Your part anyway is to create the english version, because I don't feel save enough to do any good article in english language. Greetings --Phoenix-R 18:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. Let's do it that way then. Kahuroa 19:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Done --Phoenix-R 13:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Aren't you interestet any more in developping the article? --Phoenix-R 18:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ja, ja - ich hatte leider keine Zeit. Kahuroa 23:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello Kahuroa. Yes, this pictures were really good! So Prof Moyle is with us, Wow! May be, one day or the other we may convince him to help writing in the Wikipedia... For the moment, I've given up my "research-work" and startet to write down some more bits of the polynesian-article in german WP. You'll find some of it "parked" on my "Spielwiese". Drop in and comment what you do think of it. Greetings --Phoenix-R 19:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, please all comments on my "Disskussionsseite". Thank you. --Phoenix-R 21:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:Maori wiki problems
Hi Kahuroa - A suggestion - make a template similar to the test template but worded slightly differently (something along the lines of "This is a Maori language wikipedia. While we appreciate you adding to it, additions should be in the Maori language. If you wish to experiment, please use the sandbox"), which can be subst'ed onto the use pages of anyone who repeatedly adds stuff in English. Grutness...wha?  06:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Cheers...that would work.Kahuroa 08:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Category:Polynesian gods
Hi, why did you suppres it in Ta'aroa? Apokrif 17:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Because I think that as a category 'Polynesian god' is pretty meaningless. Because I don't really agree that Ta'aroa is a Polynesian god. A Tahitian god maybe. I am a Polynesian but Ta'aroa is not my god or my people's god. It depends what you mean by Polynesia and Polynesian. If we have to categorise by 'god' then I would rather see Ta'aroa categorised as a Tahitian god, and then have the Category:Tahitian gods as a subcat of Category:Polynesian god. Kahuroa 18:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

'Elepaio
Hi, I did the 'elepaio stuff you asked for. Pending a more complete description, I have not yet un-stubbed the article, but I expanded especially on subspecies and threw in a batch of new references and some interesting thoughts about the peculiar distribution. Also found out that the farmers considered the bird an avatar of Hina-puku-‘ai (the other insectivores did not really adapt well to human presence - 'amaui and relatives are very dependent on undisturbed forest -, so the 'elepaio makes a natural choice as a sort of "guardian of the taro patch", so to speak.) As VanderWerf (1994) writes about the 'elepaio: "Birds in disturbed habitat attacked prey two-thirds as often as birds in undisturbed habitat, hopped less frequently, and flew farther and more often" - which would make them more conspicuous both in general and as eaters of agricultural pests to humans. I like it when stuff just "comes together". Dysmorodrepanis 17:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Your changes are impressive. Thanks for all that!!! It's great when what was nonsense becomes a valuable article. Kahuroa 17:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Haka of the All Blacks; Ka Mate; 2006 Kapa O Pango controversy
As you've done signif work on at least 2 of these articles, you may have a view on a proposal I've made at Talk:Haka_of_the_All_Blacks. Nurg 02:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Cheers - was already on to it. Kahuroa 02:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the responses. Will work on the articles when I get a chance. Nurg 11:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the latest note. Don't think I got round to doing what I was planning. Yet. Nurg 09:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Takuu map
Capital idea, I say. There's only one problem: The service I use to make those maps, Online Map Creation, doesn't seem to know that this atoll exists. When you enter the coördinates for that part of the world, it simply gives you a blue square with no islands in it. Much as I'd like to help, it seems that Online Map Creation is of no use this time. By the way, it is notorious for leaving islands out. Kelisi 16:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Kahuroa - I'm in the same sort of situation - I do a lot of New Zealand maps, but I haven't tackled any Pacific Island ones since I don't really have the resources. if I find a map showing details of the place I'll see what I can do though. Thanks for the kind wishes about my aunt, BTW. Grutness...wha?  00:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC) (PS - I see you have some userboxes on your Userpage - did you know there's a User Maori?)

Moved pages
Hi, Kahuroa. If you don't have time to fix the category sort keys of the pages you have moved so that they index properly, I can start tracking them down.

Of course, if I have to do it, I'll do it the easy way. Gene Nygaard 13:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * When you moved Mortlock Islands back to Takuu, you should have fixed the redirect at Tauu so it wasn't a double redirect. I took care of it this time.  Gene Nygaard 21:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for moving Takuu back to what it should be.


 * No problem. Just cleaning up after Gene Nygaard's peculiar little crusade -- he has a history of making unilateral decsions about the "proper English name" of articles and moving them, despite a fair amount of opposition. Yeah, I missed the double redirect Nygaard was smirking about, but he shouldn't have screwed things up to begin with -- not that he'll understand. --Calton | Talk 00:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * He acts like a bear with a sore head. I seem to have made him angry by correcting the spelling of some Polynesian deities by moving them to the correct spelling. This upset the category sorting - (unbeknownst to me), which it seems in his book is more important than accuracy, and he threatened to undo them all 'fix them the easy way'. At least I have learned two things from him: how to use Category sort keys, and how not to act. Kahuroa 05:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. Gene's acitons are being discussed at WP:AN/I - you may wish to leave a comment there.  I agree; indexing is of lower importance than accurate content, and the indexing can be fixed without lowering accuracy anyway.  Aquilina

Laufakanaa
The Tongan god of the underworld (Pulotu) is Hikule'o. Change the article name? Laufakanaa is doesn't make sense as a Tongan word, at least to my mediocre Tongan and my Tongan dictionary. Zora 10:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that - I've copied your comment over to the article's talk page. Kahuroa 10:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I've long since returned the Dictionary that I was consulting before. My initial guess is that it (like so many of the dozens we dealt with a few months ago) is wrong and should be deleted. But if we delete it, it will only be a matter of time before it's recreated by someone else on the basis of the f***ing Encyclopedia Mythica site. Bucketsofg✐ 01:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Taniwharau
Hi, I'm happy to take a look and offer my opinion, but I've got rather a busy morning so it may be a bit. Best regards, Z iggurat 20:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Polynesian mythology
Oceanic Mythology Pages: Hi Kahuroa -- On a few pages today  I added the "oceanic  myth categories" when taking off the "oceanic myth stub" - without intent to hurt these pages just to replace the stub with the equivalent. At your suggestion I see that this was redundant. I'll go back and double check them right now Goldenrowley 06:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

NZ wood pigeon
Hope you don't mind, but I uploaded your pic of the kererū / NZ wood pigeon onto the Commons - so it can be accessed by all Wikipedia projects (like the Māori language wikipedia that I am involved with) rather than just the English Wikipedia. It's a great photo, with really nice detail. If this isn't what you want, then I can remove it from commons. Cheers Kahuroa 10:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No worries. I've been meaning to move my photos to commons for a while. —Pengo talk · contribs 14:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * yup i finally got round to moving all (well most) of my photos to commons and accidently did that one again too. anyway cheers :) —Pengo talk · contribs 11:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Your photo
I really liked your photo, so I nominated it to be a Featured Picture on commons, have a look:. Cheers.--Konstable 00:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Escarbot = Te Aroha article on miWiki
I think you are linking this article to articles about Love on other wikis. This is incorrect, Te Aroha is not about Love, it is the name of a mountain. en:User:Kahuroa. 203.109.208.180 9 septembre 2006 à 14:30 (CEST)
 * Hello, my bot added some links about love because there were already. I will try to correct. Is there an article on mi: about love? Regards, Vargenau 14:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it s a constant problem that I always have to keep an eye on. There is an article Aroha - but its just a stub. However the meaning of Aroha is more like 'compassion, pity, nostalgia' rather than a direct translation of English 'love'. Kahuroa 19:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Marae
Discussion on Marae moved to that article's Talk page Kahuroa 23:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

email from library
Could you email me a copy of the message you got from that library? jwales, wikia.com Thanks. --Jimbo Wales 16:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Bay of Islands
Image:Bay of Islands.jpg - If memory serves, you are in the Bay of Is. Could you take a look at this image on Commons and identify any of the islands involved - is it taken from Urupukapuka for instance? Can you let me know - or just edit the commons description directly. Cheers - need a pic for an article on miWiki. Kahuroa 06:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Oke Bay in there somewhere, I think. I'm not exactly sure, but have a friend who can identify it precisely. Back tomorrow. Ka kite. Moriori 06:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey Kahuroa. The photo is taken from Motukiekie Island, looking nor-sou-east-ish. Piercy Island (Motukokako) with its Hole in the Rock, and Cape Brett, and are way out there in the right far distance. The island mid centre is Waewaetoria (torea?). The Okahu Passage is on the left and the Waewaetoria Passage is to the right but mainly obscured. The little island nearer camera, a bunch of rocks really, is a favourite cray diving spot. Anyone wanting to dive there gets permission from me conditional on delivering a couple of packies to me before they go home ):-. Moriori 00:11, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Tiki Queen
Gee, I dunno about this one. It's commercial, sure, but, more importantly, it's about Tiki. It looks to me like there's a lot of Tiki info there if you dig through it. The problem with the other one was that it was just a link to Hawaii, as far as I could see. There have got to be millions of Hawaiian sites that are exotic, and genuine, but have nothing to do with Tiki Culture. If, for instance, the original Don the Beach in Hollywood was still going, and had a Web site, would that be permissible for a link or not? I would say, Yes. Now, there's also the London South Pacific link. It's clearly commercial, but once again it's Tiki. Less so, in my opinion, than the one you just deleted, however. I could be convinced either way by the right arguments on this particular link, though. Since Tiki has *always* been commercially oriented (as far as I know), it's hard to draw a line. Someone with a link to his site on eBay for selling tiki mugs -- yeah, that's an easy one. The others are hard. I gotta say, in passing, that I first went to D. the B. in Hollywood as a 14-year-old kid around 1956, and my mother let me sip her drinks, and I still think it's about the greatest restaurant experience I've ever had. I went a lot between 56 and, oh, 65, then seldom. By 75 it was still going, but most of the back rooms had been shut down for lack of customers, and it had clearly lost its zing. But if D. the B. ever opened the original again, and ran it the way it was, I'd make a special trip to get there. He lived in Moorea for a number of years, not far from where I lived in Tahiti, and I used to see his little sign, Donn Beach, on the road, but I never made the connection. I wish I'd dropped in to chat with him.... Hayford Peirce 01:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, good point. I've restored it. Kahuroa 04:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Te Rangi Hiroa
Kia ora Kahuroa - those pictures definitely help the article. Not sure what to do with the citations, because you're right, it almost all came from the NZDB. I've changed the subheadings on the article a bit, BTW - hopefully they make a bit more sense now than they did. Grutness...wha?  04:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Maori-stub
Kia ora Kahuroa - yes, it's your picture all right... I considered several but that one looked best in that format. Things are fine with here, though I'm thinking of taking another short wikibreak so as to catch up on some real world things - I've got a couple of short writing assignments coming up I want to get out of the way (I work part-time as an arts reviewer). Looking forward to the summer weather kicking in again once this damn drizzle stops! Hope things are fine with you - whereabouts in NZ are you? Grutness...wha?  10:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hawaii etymology
Hi, thank you for Hawaii etymology. Would you mind checking the last few points at the Hawaii discussion page? I realize there are many similarities between the Maori and the kanaka Maoli and your input is appreciated. I originally thought you were blanking without providing an alternate/more correct etymology and am glad that you've provided a corrected one. Thank you, Badagnani 10:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * we had an edit conflict or two which meant I took a while doing what you mention above... Cheers Kahuroa 10:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Milky Way (Mythology)
Hi Kahuroa - something you might be able to clear up... the article Milky Way (mythology) says To the Māori the Milky Way is the waka (canoe) of Tama-rereti. I was sure I'd heard a Māori legend in which the Milky Way was the fishing net of Ikaroa. Is there more than one different origin of the Milky Way in Māori mythology? Grutness...wha?  00:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, multiple stories. There was no such thing as a 'standard' set of mythological belief that all Māori adhered to. Any oral tradition has a great deal of variation, regional, tribal and even personal! See Kupe for an example of this - the standard version of that story is an artificial one. Kahuroa 04:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

JAFA
Hi Kahuroa. I was wondering why you removed the link to Jafa from the Auckland article. Although I'm sure some (if not all) Aucklanders are sick of the term, I think both the term and the article accurately sums up some of the feelings that some non Auckland New Zealanders have towards Auckland. I won't add the link back, but I think you should reconsider the removal. I will be happy to participate in a debate on whether the Jafa page should exist at all, but since it exists now, there should be a link to it. Cheers. --Roue2 02:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Season's greetings!
And warmest seasons greetings from me to you, too. Hope you have a fun and relaxing holiday break. Thanks for the note about mi:wiki, BTW - though my knowledge of Te Reo is so slight that I doubt I'd be able to do better than Robin's templates in any case. The best I can usually do is stumble through a ten-word stub and leave it at that. Grutness...wha?  23:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)