User talk:Kahuroa/Archive 7

Archive 7: July 2008 — December 2009

Merci beaucoup!
Thank you Nevers - I have moved your message into my Archive 6. There are some very beautiful pictures there! Some I have seen before, many I have not and they are very interesting. I will be busy with all these for some time. I think I will put a source category on these so you can check my progress! Thanks for going to so much trouble! Kāhuroa (talk) 12:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've finished - I have put them into this category: commons:Category:Images from Photothèque du Musée de l'Homme . I used them all except the one of Lake Pearson. Kāhuroa (talk) 06:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There are some nice photos of Tahiti and Marquesas too (more than 100). I will upload some of them little by little. Nevers (talk) 12:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Issues with TinucherianBot in Project Banner Tagging for WP:FOOD
Thank you for expressing your concerns on the recent issues with TinucherianBot in Project Banner Tagging for WP:FOOD. I have made some comments and explainations at Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Requests_for_approval and I am leaving this note just for your information --  TinuCherian  (Wanna Talk?) - 09:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Capitalisation of the term "te reo Maori"
Kia ora. It was a good idea to change most instances of "te reo Māori" to "Māori". Re the capitalisation, I've opened a discussion at Talk:Māori language. Nurg (talk) 06:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Edits
Howdy mate, good of you to expand that Howea; so many genus articles like that one are one or two sentence stubs in desperate need of expansion. If the expansion is five fold, and includes a noteworthy tidbit, it may be suited for DYK which, once posted as such, usually beckons the independent eye of other editors, a process I find helpful as a guidance tool. Be sure to submit them on that page when you expand or create articles that meet the criteria. If you will give a bit of time to the family I'd say we most need to do more of what you are doing: creating all subfamilies, tribes, and subtribes. Ive written all the missing genera but, as I said, many are essentially vacant, one sentence stubs. Expansion of the underrepresented genera and creation of the tribal and familiar ranks should be our first order concern; we can highlight interesting species at leisure. And however formatted, getting more pics is key. I dont know how things are in NZ right now but most palms here in Florida are now either in flower or fruit (or both, or about to be) so shots are forthcoming. Here's the Linowhatever: 1 2 Mmcknight4 (talk) 06:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers man. Unfortunately New Zealand is having more than her fair share of storms and rain lately, not inspiring at all for camera work - waiting till the sun comes out again - tho I am having a bit of luck with sourcing images from Flickr. Will keep on in my very slow way of improving articles when I can, so thanks for the lino stuff. Kahuroa (talk) 12:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Takk i like måte!
Kia ora (the only Māori expression I know). The heading is Norwegian and means "Thanks, same to you". As being nearly the only one on the Norwegian (nynorsk) Wikipedia dealing with New Zealand subjects, it's really nice to have a response from "down under". Mostly I have delt with geographic matters, now and then plants (trees), history and culture. Much work still to be done, I'll probably pick up one or more of your articles in the future. Good of you to put your pictures into Commons, by the way. Greetings PerPlex from the Neo-Norwegian Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.212.250.223 (talk) 19:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

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Howea
I clicked on the Howea commons link on the page and it said it was deleted.Mmcknight4 (talk) 05:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Whitehead pic's
Dude nice work getting them! That article is my baby and it really makes it look so much better. Nice work.. Cheers, Kotare (talk) 06:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Plantings abroad
If reports indicate that a species of tree has been planted in a foreign country (even one specimen), this is a fact, the phrase it has been planted is correct, then the specimen in fact can be seen in that place, I'm not saying the trees have been very popular there and there are a lot of trees there, besides, if there is one tree there it can be inspiring for its introduction and i can even tell you that even those trees have been there for several years they have not been selected from the best provenance source which are specimens at its highest altitudes or southernmost places, but i prefer highest altitudes provenances, look in my city aguascalientes there are some araucaria heteropphylla every year we have frequent frosts and very common about -4° C, these trees withstand the frosts, in 2005 a record low temperature iof -9° C ocurred and the trees withstood i saw them, when the trees collapsed in 1997 it was because it snowed the trees  did'nt withstand snow even when it was a lower temperature (-7°C) aeven though some trees survived, died trees in 1997 where replaced by new ones, what happens if we collect seeds from those surviving trees: many trees will heir their hardiness but few will collapse, i have a friend from Cisco, State of Washington, he planted a chilean  Austrocedrus, when the books indicate tha this tree can be tolerant at about -15°C it withstoood -30° C, at that time he show me by the links about that temperature and photos of the sapling, i don´t have the proves but i have confirmed that some specimens are hardier than other and if they are brought from stressing provenance sources, and it can be provable with chilean species planted in Britain, there is literature about it very recently new specimens from southernmost places or from the mountains are hardier, and it has been discovered that Argentine provenance sorces tolerate better frosts and droughts than chilean specimens, many trees from New Zealand have been planted from specimens from sea level and planted in Britain but if a selective sampling is collected from its highest distribution, even if this treee grows at 800 or 1000 m above sea level good hardy trees can be obtained, chilean trees have been showing us this, i don´t know where is the provenance source of that Austrocedrus he bought it in Chile, about an isolated specimen growing some years in a country is very hopeful and mostly if we know that it has not been taken from its highest altitudinal range or southernmost range and that those trees have been there several years, an isolated specimen growing for years in the fast north is remarkable in mainly knowing its sea level origin, and what happens if we plant a tree from its mos altitudinal or southernmost ranges and we plant it in Britan at sea level and survives frosts, we take seeds from it, with a long long time we get an acceptable frost tolerant tree, an isolated tree is very important, it show us many things and this is true, the tree is there. Greetings --Jaguarlaser (talk) 20:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, isolated plantings are not the sort of information that is worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Some of your edits are concerning - and when you say: if there is one tree there it can be inspiring for its introduction  - that is not the role of an encyclopedia at all. Kahuroa (talk) 22:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:Flora of the Three Kings Islands
Hello,

Are you quite sure of the merits of this category? I previously created Category:Flora of the Antipodes Islands, Category:Flora of the Chatham Islands and Category:Flora of the Kermadec Islands because each of these regions is considered floristically distinct; for example they are listed as distinct regions under the World Geographical Scheme for Recording Plant Distributions. Three King Islands, on the other hand, is not floristically distinct from North Island, and the WGSRPD therefore lumps them together as part of "New Zealand North". I think you'll agree that we shouldn't be categorising plants according to their presence on any old island, lest articles end up in thousands of categories.

Hesperian 00:39, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I would have thought it was distinct, since it has quite a few endemics like Tecomanthe and the like. But I am not fussed if you think it doesn't warrant separation. Kahuroa (talk) 04:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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Bird push - Huia
I had this lame idea of getting as many bird FAs and GAs by the end of the year, I thought this one looked pretty good - is there still material you want to add? I view GA as a good "stable-point" or "way point" Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, if you are around, Huia has nearly passed GA, if you had anything to add to Talk:Huia/GA1 that would be great in terms of clarifying references etc.

hurriedly, Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that lumping traditions from different regions is a problem; as you have the sources, I would be grateful if you took charge and tweaked the bit. We can rechekc the other bit later. I have my hands full today but maybe late tongiht I can have a look. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. done Kahuroa (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

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Ngati Toa
I suggest you get a copy of the Ngati Toa treaty claim that was accepted by the crown tribunal and update your rohe map —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.138.234 (talk) 08:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

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I'd like your view on a conflict of interest question
I'd like your view on a conflict of interest question I've raised, since you're deeply involved in some of the pages / subjects that we'd be linking from. Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard Stuartyeates (talk) 10:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Kahuroa I'm currently editing a new book on Maori Art and Design and am intersted in using your image 'Poumatua2' in the book. I would include the usual Wiki copyright notice, but wondered if you would like me to use a fuller form for your name? regards Steveb17 (talk) 15:31, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

DOC links
Hello,

I work at the Department of Conservation (DOC) in New Zealand.

We would like to begin fixing broken links to the DOC website on Wikipedia. Here are some examples:

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Remote_New_Zealand_island_evacuated_as_volcano_erupts http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aoraki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aoraki/Mount_Cook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auckland_Islands http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridal_Veil_Falls_(Waikato) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_Island,_New_Zealand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castaway_depot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castaway_hut http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catlins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_creek_disaster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_in_New_Zealand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Buildings_(Wellington,_New_Zealand) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karori_Wildlife_Sanctuary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Rotopounamu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_caves_of_New_Zealand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_timelines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island,_New_Zealand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Cook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Ruapehu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_tui http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Island_Saddleback http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nugget_Point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Government_Buildings,_Wellington http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oparara_River http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Ring_of_Fire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parson_Bird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Burn_Viaduct http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periegopidae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangitoto_Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddleback_(bird) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_ban http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_bans_by_country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tane_Mahuta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taputeranga_Marine_Reserve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catlins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mackenzie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tieke http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tui_(bird) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_Beach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington

We understand the importance of being open and transparent in what we are doing and we understand that links should not be placed on Wikipedia for self-promotion. However we feel the pages we would fix links to on the DOC website provide current and relevant information which would add a substantial amount of value for users.

We are approaching Kahuroa to start the discussion on whether or not it would be acceptable for us to do this.

Conservation ranger 21:53, 7 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conservation ranger (talk • contribs)


 * I'll reply at User talk:Conservation ranger- gadfium 22:50, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Hungarian New Zealander
Tēnā koe Kahuroa! Ko ahau Norbert no Hanekeria. I know, you work only wiht Maori-related articles, but could you help me. I'm a Hungarian and I wrote this article Hungarian New Zealander. I love your country and I would like to have it in the Maori wikipedia in te reo Māori. Could you do that to me? If you want, I will make more māori-related articles in the Hungarian Wikipedia (although I did it myself more times :)). Thank you!

Ka kite anō: --Eino81 (talk) 08:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Translation request
Greetings Kahuroa, would you be so kind to help me create an article about Confucius in Maori Wikipedia? Please. It's about a Chinese philosopher and is listed as one of the articles every Wikipedia should have. If you think that article is too long, here is a short version: "Confucius was a Chinese thinker and social philosopher, whose teachings and philosophy have deeply influenced Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Vietnamese thought and life. His philosophy emphasized personal and governmental morality, correctness of social relationships, justice and sincerity." Thanks a lot, and best regards--Amaqqut (talk) 13:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Tohunga Suppression Act
Kia Ora Kahuroa. I know this is very late to raise, but on the 28/Jul/07, you removed large sections I'd written as "unsourced". They were in fact sourced from McLaughlan's Encyclopaedia. I am not well versed in Wikipedia and so I am not sure if I should re-enter the data, nor if I should - how to tag it to the reference. Would you consider that the material, given its verifiability, be worthy of replacing? Ka Kite L-Bit (talk) 19:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * replied on his talk Kahuroa (talk) 08:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

File:NewZealandFalconBuller.jpg
Do you know who actually created the image for Buller's Birds of New Zealand, at File:NewZealandFalconBuller.jpg? Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about it. Probably not that important. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you mean the original artist, it should only take a a google on the title of the book to find out. If you mean the actual file, it has no copyright issues since it is just a 2D copy of a 1888 work. Kahuroa (talk) 10:17, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Kaikohe
Could you take a look at this edit to Kaikohe please and decide whether this is worth translating.- gadfium 00:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It was just a personal greeting, thanking someone for their hospitality. Anyway not appropriate for incorporation into the article so I have undone the edit. Kahuroa (talk) 03:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Ghosts in Polynesian culture
I saw your quick catch on my spelling on this - thanks. I feel this is an interesting and complex subject, and I am not at all qualified to do a good job on it. Any chance of help? Or ideas of good sources? Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 04:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right, this is an interesting and complex subject. You've done well though. The term ghost carries strong English language connotations which won't apply exactly to a culture so different. So it would be good for each example to be able to cite the term used in the original language text.   There was one part which I thought was off-key, and which I cannot relate to anything here in Māori culture, especially the cult part: The tattoo marks on the Polynesian's face indicated their cult. A spiral symbol meant that the man favoured the sky world,  but before ascending there on a whirlwind his ghost had to travel to his people's homeland, situated in the navel of the world. Different markings indicated that the ghost would live in the underworld. What culture (island group) does this relate to?  It seems impossible that such specific indication (spirals) etc, could apply to all Polynesia, because tattoo styles diverge so widely. Another point is that your examples seem to come mainly from Hawaii - what about Tonga, Samoa, Niue, Tokelau, Easter Island, The Cook islands, Tuamotu, New Zealand.  As for sources, big question! You might find some material or leads on Te Ara - the Encyclopedia of New Zealand. Margaret Orbell and Hirini Moko Mead are careful writers on Māori subjects, the writings of Sir George Grey, the Journal of the Polynesian Society, the Bishop Museum and its publications. Be careful with some 19th century stuff which can be romanticised, and new age stuff Kahuroa (talk) 09:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

If I don't get sidetracked, I will expand the article, and hope you will spot my more obvious errors. All your points are sensible. But this could grow and grow and still be far from complete... Thanks for the feedback. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Cabbage tree comments
Like I said, the article looks good. Some comments:
 * It was probably introduced by Māori to the Chatham Islands at 44°S and to Stewart Island at 47°S, where it is rare - is it rare on Stewart or both?
 * You sometimes start a section with C. australis  and sometimes with with Cordyline australis, this should be consistent.
 * Two kinds of referencing are used, inline cites and (Name:1900), best to stick to one.
 * There is a bit of inconsistency in the bird names; using the most common name for most but kākāriki in caption; nothing wrong with using Māori names but kākāriki is perhaps one to avoid as it refers to a number of species (I use it at work to refer to the whole New Zealand radiation of Cyanoramphus, but at the very least it refers to the three mainland species). Is there any tradition of using Red-crowned Kākāriki to distinguish between that one and the other species?

Small niggles really. I think you should submit this for GA once you have finished it. I am happy to give you a more in depth review if you want. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  07:03, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Appreciate your comments, excellent help. I meant to say it's rare on Stewart Island. It seems it gets less and less common in the far south of the South Island too, but the sources don't call it rare on the Chathams. Will look at a reword or maybe separate out the rare comment if it would mean too much convolution.  The other points are fair enough, I'll revisit the bird names and the section starts, and maybe call on you for a more in depth review in the not too distant... Kahuroa (talk) 07:43, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Auckland Meetup 5 on 9 May 2010
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DYK nomination
We're running out of time to nominate Cordyline australis for DYK, so I'll put it forward Sunday afternoon (NZ time) unless you say otherwise or beat me to it. --Avenue (talk) 15:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * As well as your Morere swing suggestion, which was good to go, I have worked the other two things you suggested: Number of seeds, and the Norway/latitude/tropical origin. See my changes here. Seeing as I am obviously not as tuned in to DYK as you are, I'm quite happy for you to nominate. I'll probably be out from midday on though. Kahuroa (talk) 19:20, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think two alternative hooks is enough, and illustrated ones are usually better, so I'll do the swing and the flower ones. I don't see an inline citation specifically for the 250,000 figure, and the DYK reviewers are often picky about such things, so I'll say something about there being 5,000-10,000 per panicle. --Avenue (talk) 23:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that, and good call - my bad for letting original arithmetic creep in.Kahuroa (talk) 06:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I don't think there's anything wrong with relying on simple arithmetic in the article itself, but it's better to keep things straightforward when they'll be highlighted on the main page. --Avenue (talk) 13:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Grey
Hello, I only now noticed that your 3 example maps use differents greys. Can you reupload them with the same grey : This grey is the convention for the ~one or 2 hundreds Location maps that are the backbones (the main background pool) for map makers, to create all following styles : area maps, topo, etc. This grey should be keep as background unless you have specific needs needing to change it (to orange, yellow, or other). Regards, and thanks for your contributions to the talk ; ] Yug (talk)  07:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Cordyline australis
Could you please explain why did you revert my formatting changes? I fully understand that they might be too massive and to drastic, but they are dictated by WP:MOS and common sense. Materialscientist (talk) 03:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It might have been nice to have discussed this before you did it, collaboration and all that jazz. I fully intended to revisit the references, of which nothing was said in the recent GA review. I was going to make the shift when I was ready to do it. But never mind. I will just do it another way. Are you interested in Cordylines at all btw? Kahuroa (talk) 05:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know anymore what am I interested in on WP and edit/write in areas which I won't touch with a 6-foot pole before. :-) WP:GAN is well known to be tolerant to formatting; WP:FAC is much, much pickers on that. The article is really nice and I thought you're heading there (FAC).
 * File:SwingAngas1847.png is 2.61 Mb because PNG doesn't code paintings well. My conversion to File:SwingAngas1847.JPG reduced the size more than 10 times, but sharpened some features, thus I won't insist on this. Regards. Materialscientist (talk) 05:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry I didn't realise all that about the image - I was baffled about where it came from, lol, and I don't know why I saved it as png. I'll put it back. The reason I left the refs in full form for the meantime is that I was reading a peer review of one article where one reviewer asked the author to change them, and then a second asked to change it back. So I got the idea it was optional. I would like to go for FAC, but I have had such minimal feedback during and since the GA that I didn't quite know how to take it. That's Wikipedia I guess. So you think I should? Kahuroa (talk) 06:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll actually try to read the article :) and say something. The way GAN/FAC are designed is that GAN focuses on the actual (e.g. scientific) content whereas FAC is more of nitpicking, polishing the prose flow, formatting and readability by a layman (though serious content discussions are well possible too). I would never submit my FAC without an experienced copyeditor, who hasn't edited the article much, slowly going through the prose. As to formatting and refs, indeed, different editors have different tolerance to that. However, someone would likely oppose (i) having refs. in bibliography which are not used in the text; (ii) duplicating a full reference two dozen times when only page number changes. As to that image, I was going to (and should have) upload it as "derivative work", but the server was down and I had no patience to wait - I was actually fixing the WP:DYK slot with that article. Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Facepalm... Cheers, I will be keen to read your comments. Kahuroa (talk) 06:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah no, I am not even a native speaker and can hardly read anything for longer than 10 minutes anymore :). You'd better look for extra eyes to check the article if you wish to try FAC. Materialscientist (talk) 06:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No I didn't mean it that way - just responding to what you said above about reading and saying something :) Kahuroa (talk) 06:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I've quickly read the article and left (mostly hidden) comments. You'd better go through my multiple edits (I usually spend one, but here fiddled with the spaces to vertically synchronize paragraphs in the diff) and check, as some corrections could be just wrong and some comments merely reflect my ignorance. I am somewhat worried by the abundance of quotes - this might be picked up at FAC. Otherwise, it is an FA-class article. Materialscientist (talk) 11:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey I really appreciate that eh. Thanks for picking up my confusion between NZ spelling 'traveller' and US 'traveler'. Otherwise I will give it a closer look over the weekend. The abundance of quotes is probably a result of my personal writing/research style, so I will try to reduce them at the same time. Much appreciated.Kahuroa (talk) 11:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Forgot to mention: some changes are for consistency through the article (spiky/spikey), some to avoid repetitions. The article will be featured as a DYK lead, which may bring a few vandals (those I can handle :) and a few copyeditors (those you better handle ;-) as their changes are not always to the better). Materialscientist (talk) 11:31, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I have actioned all your comments now. Improved the article a lot, thanks. Getting rid of the quotes should make it much easier to read, and cut out a bit of needless repetition too. CheersKahuroa (talk) 08:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)