User talk:Kahuroa/Archive 8

DYK for Cordyline australis
The DYK project (nominate) 16:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey there!
Thanks man! good to be back too.. I was working full time for a year and found it difficult to find/make the time for any major work here but I went back to uni last year and now that I'm back from south america after 4 and a half months I still have almost exactly 2 months of working odd jobs before tri. 2 starts up during which I will have more time availible to work on a few bird and reptile pages I'm interested in. I see you have done a large amount of work on Cordyline australis - it's looking pretty good! I'm still working on Naultinus.. might be another 2 weeks on that though as I'm working the standard working week doing labouring right now, so will have to be more of a "weekend wikipedia warrior", haha.

Any ideas about where to find extra sources for "Huia"? maybe we should get a "to-do" list going for moving it up the next step to FA.. Cheers Kotare (talk) 01:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the macrons in Iritana Tawhiwhirangi
I'm not noticed that I was getting them wrong and that they were going through redirects. I should have, but didn't. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:47, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Biomaps
Hello Kahurao,

I'm currently sick, that's why I spend merely 10 mins a day on wiki recently. I will close the biomap issue when back. Either with n°5, which recently emerge, have been appreciate, and that I now prefer according to the real map test recently uploaded; either n°3, which has previously received the wider support. Regards~ Yug (talk)  12:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Literature for Swamp Harrier
Hi Kahuroa, I sent you the mail with the literature you asked for. If you need any further books or articles, just let me know. Regards, Toter Alter Mann (talk) 11:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks heaps Kahuroa (talk) 18:59, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice work on Cordyline pumilio
I hope to come across more plant articles from you ;-) Circéus (talk) 05:28, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Thanks for the kind words.--Kahuroa (talk) 08:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it a problem, BTW, if I delete Category:Cordyline pumilio? It seems to have been an accidental creation. Circéus (talk) 15:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Weinmannia trichosperma
I saw that you removed the term superous ovary from the article Weinmannia trichosperma, I didn't invent the term, I took the term from Enciclopedia de la Flora Chilena, the term in Spanish is ovario súpero: http://www.florachilena.cl/Niv_tax/Angiospermas/Ordenes/Oxidales/Cunoniaceae/Weinmannia/Tineo.htm, I tried to find out the english translation, I found some sources on the web with the term superous ovary, recently I tried to find those sources again and I coudn't but I found other ones: http://books.google.com.mx/books?id=FfwEX_6XXkcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=cacao+planters+manual&source=bl&ots=0Z1bssYI4m&sig=NURFAMIz7TybAwmOWJQwPkeXQuc&hl=es&ei=qoPtS8bFI4Kdlgf0udy0CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false page 3, and http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/95s0316/rpt0008_01.pdf, I really appreciate the fact that you're always trying to make the articles perfect as much as possible. By the other hand I'm not a botanist I'm just a enthusiast with knowledges about botany, I'm really a financial manager. Best regards--Jaguarlaser (talk) 17:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing this up - the word puzzled me at the time and I couldn't find a translation. Interesting that the second of the sources you link to is translated from Spanish, and the Cacao Planter's Manual goes back to 1884. Superous doesn't seem to be an English word - or if it is it's very rare - it's not in a very fat Oxford Dictionary that I have. But I realise now that the English translation of ovario súpero should be superior ovary - I'm silly not to have realised that before now. Have a look at Ovary (plants) - there is a diagram there with ovary positions - and compare it to the Spanish Wikipedia version. I have edited Weinmannia trichosperma again to fix this. Cheers Kahuroa (talk) 19:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, súpero means superior, the word is Spanish, but it's only a botanic term, even so, I recently knew that it existed in Spanish, but it is also used in Italian (ovario supero) and French (Ovaire supère) which are romance languages, the words for superior are Supérieur (french) and Italian (superiore), but I also realize that in Spanish the the term ovario superior can be also used. Greetings--Jaguarlaser (talk) 21:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Cordyline pumilio
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

NZ
No, sorry, it was my typing. I'll check to see that it's been fixed. Tony  (talk)  03:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)s
 * No worries - and nice work getting rid of all those unnecessary links. Kahuroa (talk) 03:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Nyctemera annulata
Yes, you are absolutely right..! Changed it to NZ! Thanks for letting me know. Ruigeroeland (talk) 16:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, would you be so kind as to give us support!
Hello, I hope you're doing fine and I sincerely apologize for this intrusion. I've just read your profile and I understood that you're a learned person and that you've done a lot of contributions to shed light on New Zealand and Maori culture and language (your wonderful country is a bit far but maybe some day I'll have the pleasure to visit it!), so you can understand what are a minorized language and culture and maybe I am not bothering you and you will help us... I'm a member of a Catalan association "Amical de la Viquipèdia" which is trying to get some recognition as a Catalan Chapter but this hasn't been approved up to that moment. We would appreciate your support, visible if you stick this on your first page: Wikimedia CAT. Supporting us will be like giving equal opportunity to minorized languages and cultures in the future! Thanks again, wishing you a great summer, take care! Keep on informing us about Maori and New Zealand's culture, music and language! Capsot (talk) 06:28, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Kawekaweau
I just reverted my revert of your edit on this page. I am pretty sure I read that this happened, that the last one found was killed and eaten by the Tuhoe dude - but a cursory google search doesn't turn up any sources to support thus and it is a rather alarming claim. Upon reflection, it certainly shouldn't be posted without a reliable inline citation for verification. So at some point in the future when I have time to work on expanding this article in general and I track down some refs I will see if I can confirm it. Conservation was still very much in its infancy back then, as you know, for both maori and NZ europeans, though there were of course a number of people of both races who could see the value of preserving our native flora and fauna. It's a pretty tragic period from a biodiversity point of view from any perspective :( Kotare (talk) 10:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * wait, found a ref for it - here's the link

http://www.bio.ucalgary.ca/contact/faculty/pdf/russell/38.pdf
 * did you even read my edit? I just reworded it because its redundant saying it was living. Couldnt have killed it if it wasnt. Good u found a source tho Kahuroa (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * no dude that's not what i meant!! That doesn't make sense, i didn't mean it was living as in "alive". I meant it was living as in "taking up residence" beneath the bark. It is really important to say that the last one seen was killed - and they were one and the same. It seems breathtakingly stupid nowadays, very frustrating when you consider how the Moa died out - but of course the first people to populate major landmasses wiped out virtually all the megafauna all over the place - North America, South America, Europe, Northern Eurasia, Madagascar etc. Anyways, european settlers did similar things with animals like the huia and the NZ Quail. Values were different I guess, conservation movement was still developing. I created this page and of all the ones I have it gets the most traffic - around 50 views a day.. so I feel kinda protective of it and also that it is very important that the very little info we do have about the species ia accurately reported.  If you have an issue with my latest edits then we should probably get some other people in to give their opinions, an edit war would just be lame, haha. Kotare (talk) 12:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Upon reflection I probably should have talked with you before making some of those edits, we could have discussed them before I made the changes - so I'm sorry.I dunno, put it this way, I don't care about this enough to get off-side with you in some way. I really admire your work here, that recent wikidragon ball of fire on ramping Cabbage Tree up to GA is seriously impressive! So hope I haven't ruffled any feathers, as it were, aheheh.. PEACE!Kotare (talk) 13:08, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My feathers didn't get ruffled dude, tho it seems yours did a bit, lol. Just for the record though, my edit said: an Urewera Māori chief killed one that he found under the bark of a dead rata tree in the Waimana Valley. And also for the record, my edit took away or added nothing relating to Māori conservation practices. I was trying to get the phrase "which he killed" which was (and now is again) way at the end of the sentence and was/is potentially ambiguous as to whether he killed the gecko, the forest, or the tree. I thought it would read better to have the "killed" nearer the Kawekaweau. Also for the record, my edits were made in good faith and to improve the closeness of the text to the source that was provided at the time. Kahuroa (talk) 21:12, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes I agree. I've been a bit stressed out lately with work.. might have done it. this is a good example of someone (me) making up a story in their head - need to work on this:p A good learning experience. glad no harm has been done :) I'm going to be away from wikipedia for a bit while I pursue some other projects but I was talking to Casliber about maybe doing a collab for Kiwi with sabine's sunbird also. you know it gets like 2k views a day and is "Top" importance for WP:NZ and yet it's still only B class!? We need to rectify that shit - I know you'd be keen as - so stay in touch and we'll see if we can't arrange something in the not too distant future.Kotare (talk) 10:00, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Stress can weird effects, so no worries. I see Commons has deleted the pic tho, shame. I'd be happy to help on Kiwi. I think Huia is another - I have hanzab 7 material btw Kahuroa (talk) 01:13, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sweet. yeah that is lame, maybe something can be sorted out in future though.. I was actually thinking today while labouring that all I do is really talk about collabs and that I just need to really get stuck in, stop talking and actually do one. I will have plenty of free time to start ripping into something in 2 weeks time.. from saturday the 3rd of July onwards. I totally agree, I have HANZAB for Huia too and I think it is time we pushed for FA - it's nearly there already.. I'm thinking since Huia is almost there, we should first organise a collab on that and then we can move on to "kiwi". We can agree on a period of time that suits everyone.. I'm going to post messages on Sabine's Sunbird and Casliber's talk pages now, will ask if they agree with the idea of doing huia then kiwi - does that sound good to you? Looking forward to it!Kotare (talk) 08:20, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * sweet. Timefame is fine by meKahuroa (talk) 10:12, 19 June 2010 (UTC).

Tino Rangatiratanga
Hi Kahuroa,

Perhaps you can help on the following conversation I have had with Grutness, Thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Maori-stub Hi James, As the creator of the Maori-stub I thought I would direct my question to you. I note that Tino Rangatiratanga has been attached to this stub - I think that this is a contentious issue and I am not sure that it accurately represents Moari people as an 'entity', rather a subsection thereof.

Which brings me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Maori.svg - again I think the file name is misleading.

Not being an expert on this matter I trust that you will handle as you see fit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.121.28 (talk) 11:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I must admit I preferred having the wharenui picture on this stub rather than the TR flag. You're right that the TR flag is not regarded by all maori as being representative of them, though it is acknowledged as such by many. Perhaps, though, this is probably a query better aimed at someone who has more knowledge of Maoritanga than I do (someone like User:Kahuroa, maybe?) Grutness...wha? 00:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.121.28 (talk)
 * I think you raise valid points, and it seems like the template pic change was done without consultation so I have changed it back to the wharenui pic that Grutness used. Re the name File:Flag_of_Maori.svg I have requested a name change - might take a week or two.Kahuroa (talk) 09:46, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your kind thoughts! Tony  (talk)  01:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Guilds
It already has wikilinking, I sorted that out yesterday - I'm surprised you didn't see it! I didn't quite know what the term meant and I am aware of it's ambiguity (it's like not clarifying the meaning of "niche" in an ecological context)so I immediately searched for the term and there is a 3 year old stub there on the subject so I put it in as an internal link. The stub itself needs more work, actually but what is there is better than nothing Kotare (talk) 06:58, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol didnt see, all good Kahuroa (talk) 07:39, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * haha, sweet man. Have a look at Huia now, I'm done with my contributions for the moment.. (I visited the library yesterday to collect books with info. to use) it's been expanded a lot and I think you will agree that there isn't much left to write about! check out my post on the Huia talk page. I'm going to hail Casliber and get his thoughts too, would be good to really start gunning for FA, ASAP. Cheers,Kotare (talk) 08:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

FTW
Will the Netherlands win the world cup now that they have beaten Brazil for the first time? Netherlands FTW! Will Kahuroa soon push through Cordyline australis to FA, making it the first NZ plant article to reach this level? Kahuroa FTW! I'd put money on you but you know.. the TAB's odds for it happening are like $1.02 :p Kotare (talk) 07:20, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Bit soon to call the world cup I reckon. As for Cordyline australis, it's already the first NZ plant article to reach GA I think. Kinda random eh, it's not a kauri but a humble cabbage tree. I learnt so much writing it - it was so important in the ecology that was once NZ, now largely forgotten, just like its former importance as food. Cas has given me quite a list to work thru tho. Kahuroa (talk) 08:18, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah you're right. It is kinda random as a choice goes, kauri would be the stand out candidate if you had to guess, true - but at the same time it's really cool! your work highlights its importance, which as you say is largely forgotten - and this article will help in remedying that. Yeah I know what you mean, when I started writing the "place in maori culture" section for Kakapo I learnt a lot too, same with my work on Huia. Making contribtions that reach this kind of level on wikipedia is very rewarding.. I was surprised just how much traffic these articles get too.. the article on the Whitehead gets about 20 views a day and even little Sinbad skink which I recently created gets between 1 and 3 views daily- people really are reading this stuff, in large numbers too. It really is a vindication that our work here really is serving the greater good by allowing people to better educate themselves on these subjects. Yeah that's good Cas has given you the list, he's very helpful that one haha - I want to get back into editing Huia soon (I have plenty of free time right now so no excuses really) and it might be good to create one for that too. Kotare (talk) 06:00, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Māori King Movement
Just updated Māori King Movement. Let me know what you think. --Lholden (talk) 06:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent, exactly what was needed. Kahuroa (talk) 06:32, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Kiwi
I reverted your revert, due to the capitalization rules. Many of the user (whom you reverted) edits are worth reverting, this one is actually valid. Thanks. speednat (talk) 23:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well there was that, but I was worried about the name changes that went along with the capitalisation - and once these things get into an article they can be hard to root out. Kahuroa (talk) 02:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Double check me please, but I thing I refixed that. Thanks for your eyes as I totally missed the name change. The human eye likes sleep at least once every 48 hours to function properly. speednat (talk) 19:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well done. Cheers Kahuroa (talk) 07:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

South Island Māori
Hi Kahuroa - yes, there are linguistic sources that say that, but I sold all my old textbooks when I left university, so I'm relying on the one or two paltry sources I have here at home (I have a broken ankle at the moment, so a trip to the Hocken isn't viable, and the idea of spending an afternoon wading through texts I'd rather not see again doesn't thrill me). The few fragments of Māori I've seen written in southern dialect also have all the changes I mentioned in the text. Grutness...wha?  23:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's okay. I'm not denying that the "changes" are there in the spellings of placenames - this isn't a Northern attack on Southern. The problem is that the article is a unbalanced now because the section on the Southern dialects totally contradicts the phonology and phonotactics sections - and is incompatible with them. I need to expand them and explain what a spelling flip flop from say k to g actually means given the salient features of stop consonants in Maori and Polynesian languages as compared to English - and a placename can't be used to prove it without knowing who wrote that way and what their mother tongue was. What the article needs to show is that the same phenomena happen in early texts from all over the country, not just the South Island. I have been digging up sources for that. So that's what's what I need to do to put that section in context. Spellings, particularly of placenames, and impressions gained by speakers of other languages, cannot be used to draw conclusions about the phonemic inventory of a language. That's just not how it works.  I want the article to be accurate and linguistically valid is all. No Polynesian language has a Germanic vowel/consonant phonology like English does. Kahuroa (talk) 03:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The main problem, of course, is that the alphabet was impressed upon the language from outside - there was no alphabet in use prior to European arrival. So you're always going to get this "is it the dialect/is it the settler influence" happening, especially since different parts of the country were settled by different European groups. Its the same as the reason why so many North American first nation names have very gallic spellings (e.g. Iroquois). In some ways,. given the standard consonant-vowel combination which makes up the syllables in Maori it's a shame some form of syllabary wasn't used instead of an alphabet (a la Hiragana). It would have solved a lot of these problems! Grutness...wha?  04:17, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a bit like when Sir Peter Buck went to Hawaii and thought that the missionaries had made all the wrong choices on the consonsants. I will be really happy if you can find some linguistic sources and write them into the article - it can't help but make it a better and meatier article all round.  In the meantime, hope the ankle isn't too troublesome. Kahuroa (talk) 04:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) - I'll be clumping around with a cast on for a couple more weeks, then there's a bit of catching up with real world stuff to do, but I'll see if I can find some info. Grutness...wha?  10:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Pix, maps
Thanks man! But I can't attach files to emails I send by clicking on the "email this user" link from your wiki userpage.. so please just reply to my email address and then I will send them through. Greatly appreciated, Cheers, Kotare (talk) 02:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of Māori battles
An article that you have been involved in editing, List of Māori battles, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

New Zealand parrot
Hi Kahuroa, in the New Zealand parrot article, a photo uploaded by you to Wikimedia Commons has been labelled by Wikipedia authors as being both the North Island and South Island sub-species. On the main article illustration it is labelled as the North Island Kākā, and further down under Species it is used to illustrate the South Island Kākā, so clearly somebody has made a mistake. Is the article now lacking any images of the South Island Kākā? Please have a look at the article and advise me on how to correct it, unless you feel inclined to do so yourself. Thanks and best regards, Rubywine (talk) 19:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The mistake was in a template Template:Genus Nestor species. Someone must have gotten a bit confused. Anyway I have edited the template and it should be all good now. Kahuroa (talk) 04:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Koha (custom)
Hi Kahuroa - thought I'd better check with you before I changed this and got it wrong... shouldn't this article be spelt Kōha? I'm sure I've seen in written that way, but I'm no expert on te reo, so thought I'd better ask someone who knows :) Grutness...wha?  13:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Grutness. No it doesn't have the macron. Short o. Kahuroa (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'm glad I checked! :) Grutness...wha?  21:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar
Did I give you one of these before? I meant to... Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers man, it's nice to get an award, it's been a few years lol Kahuroa (talk) 02:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The way I see these things is they are a bit like stickers/decals, and one's userpage is a bit like one's fridge (or back of car or filing cabinet or other black surface one likes to cover with decals)...and you go decorate it with random compliments/awards that others give you. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

New Zealand longfin eel
Hi Kahuroa

Thanks for your constructive comments/edits on the New Zealand Longfin eel.

In relation to the "100 names for eels" the information is based on a source that is at the end of the sentence (number 9. - Jellyman, D. J. (2009). Forty years on – the impact of commercial fishing on stocks of New Zealand freshwater eels (Anguilla spp.). Paper presented at the Eels at the edge: science, status, and conservation concerns. Proceedings of the 2003 International Eel symposium, Bethesda, Md.). This paper is hard to source but there is a copy available through the New Zealand Interloan service.

That said I do not profess to be an expert on Maori language and value your input on this topic. Karbz (talk) 13:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Huia
Hi Kahuroa - I would have though that New Zealand geographic would be a high-enough quality to be accepted; the main problem with the Szabo item is probably that it's used so much in the article - 26 of the references are to that one item. Can any of them be found in other works? I think if the number dropped a bit from 26, there's be less concerns with it.

To be honest, though, it's not really my area of expertise. There are a few NZ editors around who have more of a specialty in environmental and nature-related issues (user:Alan Liefting and User:Avenue are two with experience in this area, for instance) - maybe they'd know more? Other than that, the article seems in pretty good shape - I haven't gone over it with a fine-tooth comb like they do at FAC, but I'd say it's well on the way, and you seem to have addressed a lot of the issues mentioned on the FA page. Good luck with it! Grutness...wha?  08:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that - I think you're dead right, and reducing the number of cites is a good idea, especially if they are replaced with a h. quality ornithological source. Kahuroa (talk) 09:02, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Any chance some of them are also in the Tennyson (I think) "Extinct NZ Birds" book? Grutness...wha?  10:59, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers for that. Think I know the book you mean - nice illustrations? Maybe I can track one down. There is a Borders within a couple of stone throws from here. I have a book on extinct birds of the world which has pages on Huia. Plus I have access to the Huia article in Handbook of Australian and New Zealand Birds (HANZAB) which is the most authoritative source probably, and the Buller book is online - his work on the bird before it went extinct. Maybe on the weekend I may get time to look carefully at the Szabo refs... or we might hear back from the reviewer that Szabo is ok... either way we'll get there. Kahuroa (talk) 11:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah - sounds like the one. I see it's already listed in the references to the article (no. 8). It's a nice book if I remember right - I haven't got a copy but have seen it. I'd be surprised if there wasn't some useful info on the Huia in it. Grutness...wha?  13:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)