User talk:Kahuroa/Archive 9

We did it!!
Dude, AWESOME!!! Now wikipedia has 2 articles on New Zealand animals at FA level - Kakapo was the only one for so long; this is huge! :D oh, and I got a clean bill of health today too; no bowel cancer - yay!! Best day EVER. What next for our pioneering team of wikipedians with inclinations towards the biota of Aotearoa? Real life is getting busy for me too.. I'm going to have a bit of a wikibreak. But now that we have made great progress already, would you be keen for my earlier mooted idea of a team collab. to push Kiwi to FA before the year is out? Paz!Kotare (talk) 07:07, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations to both of you! Excellent effort. (PS - I thought Tuatara was a FA - must be close to it) Grutness...wha?  11:03, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I see that Tuatara's a GA but not an FA. Grutness...wha? 
 * Thanks guys. Awesome. I might try and get Cordyline australis there next I think. Kahuroa (talk) 11:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Just thought I'd drop in and say: Huia, folks...great work. If you ever need another NZ article read over, just say.
 * Ti kouka will go through at FA with a minimal amount of prep work: it's in a really good state already.
 * If you are going to push hard on another, might I suggest going for Kiwi, which does need a lot of work to get into a good state, and then putting it up for TFA for February 6 next year? Iridia (talk) 05:46, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * thank heaps Iridia. Your work made the difference. Yeah i will get the ti kouka under way. I think with kiwi we should be able to get a few more people to help by working on it with us. Kahuroa (talk) 07:41, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I always find articles on extinct critters such a downer - other articles that aren't in too bad shape for a tilt at GA or FA in future include Kea. Be nice to get Saddleback and Kokako buffed too. Maybe good to get the Cordyline australis over the line too. Once one gets cracking on a few, one can get a real production line happening....Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * All great ideas Cas. Saddleback and Kokako are awesome birds. Longer term perhaps i want to tackle Swamp Harrier - in a truly pitiful state now but I have excellent sources. And it's an anzac bird too. Kahuroa (talk) 09:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Taputapuatea marae
Hi. I've got some questions about this subject if you have time. I'm trying to source this particular passage: "However the Faatau Aroha was finally broken when fighting broke out at a gathering and the two leading ariki of the alliance were killed resulting to open warfare and an end to large-scale interisland voyaging. It is said that the gathered canoes fled the area leaving the lagoon via the pass at Avarua (now Avapiti) rather than the sacred pass at Avamoa because of this a curse fell upon the pass at Avamoa that was not lifted until 1995."

This paragraph relates to another article I'm working on, Mau Piailug. A while back, an editor added some unsourced info and I'm trying to find a source for it. It reads: "The canoe not only landed successfully at Rarotonga, but the voyage resulted in the lifting of a six-centuries-old taboo on voyaging from Raʻiātea.[citation needed] Hōkūle‘a had sailed from Hawaiʻi with sisterships Hawai‘iloa and Makali‘i; these canoes rendezvoused there with other voyaging canoes from across Oceania.[citation needed]"

In case it isn't clear, Mau Piailug was a navigator who was in the canoe that led to the curse being lifted in 1995. I'll be looking for references for this material later this week, but if you have any suggestions, please let me know! Viriditas (talk) 08:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Found Hanlon & White (2000) to start with... Viriditas (talk) 09:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh. I see I added the NZ tag by accident, which must have attracted your attention.  Sorry! Viriditas (talk) 09:49, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's on my watchlist, yep. Know all about Mau Piaulug... Um there is mention of Taputapuatea in Peter Buck's Vikings of the Sunrise, for an earlyish source. Re the quotes you mention: About the Fa'atau Aroha it looks kind of like it's from Vaka Moana: Voyages of the Ancestors - the discovery and settlement of the Pacific, ed K.R. Howe, 2008, p317. Page 314 mentions canoes arriving in 1992 for the Pacific Arts Festival at Rarotonga, Makali'i and Hawai'iloa are mentioned on page 315. Kahuroa (talk) 10:15, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have access to that book, and you've just rekindled my memory.  Greatly appreciate it!  And, if you feel like taking a look at the Mau Piailug article, that would be appreciated.  It's currently under review. Viriditas (talk) 10:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Mau Piailug/GA1
I see you have commented here. If you like, I can step back, and allow you to finish up the rest of the GA Review? -- Cirt (talk) 20:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Talk:Mau Piailug/GA1
 * Really, it is fine, I would be more than happy to defer to you for the rest of the GA Review, as you seem to have some expertise in the topic? -- Cirt (talk) 21:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, let me know, if you wish it, otherwise, I suppose I will allow some time for users to address the fact tags I had added to the article, and then go about the rest of the review. -- Cirt (talk) 00:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good approach, especially since you had already started. I will take another look at it when I get time and see if I can find some of the sources needed, and if you think there is anything I can help with just ask. BTW I think it's well written and I liked the clear description of navigation techniques. Kahuroa (talk) 01:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. :) -- Cirt (talk) 03:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Extraneous comma
Actually, it was missing two commas. This is how it should read:

"For Native Hawaiians and Polynesian peoples, the success of the Micronesian-Polynesian cultural exchange, symbolized by Hōkūle‘a, contributed to the emergence of the second Hawaiian cultural renaissance and revived interest in Polynesian navigation and canoe building in Hawaii, New Zealand."

This is described as a rule for nonessential components, and enhances the readability of a very long sentence. Try reading it aloud. Viriditas (talk) 02:55, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually it reads aloud fine to me without the commas. But it's a blockquote so I shouldn't have changed it, my apologies. Kahuroa (talk) 02:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think your change is fine, but it is more difficult to read. Not sure what you mean by a blockquote. Viriditas (talk) 03:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, after reading it 20 or so times, I had to restore the commas. If it bothers you, try splitting it up into two sentences. Viriditas (talk) 09:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed the commas and tried to split it up. Lend a hand if you can. Viriditas (talk) 09:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


 * What about something like this: (I have split off Satawal from the Polynesian islands because obviously it was Micronesian navigation rather than Polynesian navigation that got revived there.)


 * The success of the Micronesian-Polynesian cultural exchange, symbolized by Hōkūle‘a, had an impact throughout the Pacific. It contributed to the emergence of the second Hawaiian cultural renaissance and to a revival of Polynesian navigation and canoe building in Hawaii, New Zealand, Rarotonga and Tahiti. It also sparked interest in traditional wayfinding on Mau's home island of Satawal.
 * Could you make the edits? I'm going to be offline for a bit.  Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 10:37, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

New article
Kia ora Kahuroa - I've just written a small article which I'd like you to check over if you don't mind, see what you think and whether I've made any ghastly mistakes with it... Te Uenuku. Grutness...wha?  04:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * looks fine. Well done! One thing that stands out to me is that I have always heard it called Uenuku rather than Te Uenuku. And i wonder about the date. Not sure if it has ever been carbon dated or anything but i have heard a later date suggested for it. But I can't remember where.  Never mind it can be sorted later if a source pops up. Kahuroa (talk) 06:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) The date was from the Te Maori catalogue,l but I think there is some controversy about it. You could be right about it simply being called Uenuku - I've heard it with both names, though, and it was either that or set up a dab page. If you think it needs moving, feel free. It's always been one of my favourite pieces of carving - when it toured with Te Maori: Te hokinga mai I could have just stood and stared at it all day - it's very powerful. Grutness...wha?  07:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an amazing work for sure. Kahuroa (talk) 00:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Photos from Flickr
Very nice! Any reason why we aren't using them in Mau Piailug? Viriditas (talk) 23:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No reason particularly, just thought I would leave it up to the main editors to decide rather than rush on in. Kahuroa (talk) 23:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought you might say! ; ) I'm going to try and add at least one. Viriditas (talk) 23:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good too. BTW I am promised one of Maisu Angi... Mau's canoe too. Kahuroa (talk) 00:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Funny you should mention that, as I was just thinking we could use a pic. Great! Viriditas (talk) 00:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Polynesia map
Hi Kahuroa, here are two maps, centred on French polynesia (which should hopefully be close enough to Tahiti): gringer (talk) 08:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * File:French_Polynesia_(orthographic_projection).svg
 * File:French_Polynesia_(orthographic_projection,_yellowblue).svg
 * edit &mdash; links updated to commons upload. gringer (talk) 12:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Mahalo/aloha
Hi Kahuroa, I'm having a hard time with your change on the aloha page that "mahalo has similar meaning." I'm OK with similar roots but meaning??? I don't see it. Can we go back to roots? Mahalo. Makana Chai (talk) 20:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. I have edited the see also sections - see what you think. Given that the roots (etymologies) are different, maybe we should just have bare links for aloha and mahalo in each other's see also sections. Kahuroa (talk) 22:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm okay with the changes made on the aloha page. On the mahalo page, I didn't even see this before but I do not agree with it: *Namaste, Peace, Salaam and Shalom have similar meanings. Can we just leave those off? Mahalo! Makana Chai (talk) 06:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * done. Kahuroa (talk) 06:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Mahalo and aloha!Makana Chai (talk) 17:45, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Kia ora anō hoki koe. Kahuroa (talk)

Logging Dams On Great Barrier
I see you reverted my edits on the Great Barrier page. Why? I didn't really change anything too much, did I? Except for trying to improve the description of a "trap-door" in the dam, through which logs would be "sucked". Many years in engineering and science have taught me that this is not the way things really happen! The logs are not sucked out, they are pushed out by the water and the other logs behind them. And I don't think the word trap-door is a good one either, I doubt very much if that's what the loggers called them. 193.60.63.224 (talk) 14:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't perfect before, but I think you took too much out. The page has other problems which I will have a look at soon and i will also take another look at the dams Kahuroa (talk)

Just spotted the new text, addressing my issues - thanks. However there is now another one ... this statement: "kauri is the only native New Zealand timber that floats". Now that is just plainly untrue. I worked in a timber yard in Auckland for a couple of years and believe me I know that kauri is not especially light compared to other common native timbers such as rimu and totara. So I googled it and found a reference on this subject, that you may have found too, but I don't think there is strong enough evidence to support repeating it here. I know that rimu floats in water, in fact most wood does! Just found a webpage giving densities of NZ timbers: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/grantglazer/Kayak/MaterialsWood.htm - none are heavier than 1000kg/m3 which is the density of water. The only possible explanation is that kauri might (unbeknown to me) be famous or unique as a timber which floats when unseasoned, i.e. freshly felled with the sap still in it. But we shouldn't supply the misinformation that all other NZ timber trees have very dense wood that does not float. 94.3.14.239 (talk) 23:15, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Rather than misinformation it may be incomplete information as you suggest. It was from the Te Ara source I added, but I will take it out since it's not vital to the article. Kahuroa (talk) 23:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

wtf
Dude those edits on my page weren't me, some random hacked my account and started writing te reo - they tried to change my password too. I'm still on my wikibreak..It's fucked up (!). Hope all is going well and I'll talk to you next year, Kotare (talk) 05:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Wo that is random. Glad you caught it. I just thought you hadn't logged in. Enjoy that break Kahuroa (talk) 05:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait I just checked the IP address; it was one of my best mates playing silly buggers, all good - haha. At least there's nothing to worry about. If you look at his other edits you will see that he has (like me) a slightly off beat sense of humour, mad bastard.. I expect to be back here Feb' 2011; looking forward to getting some more NZ bird articles to FA. Times are a changin'.. The Vic library now has EVERY journal article they have stored digitally now so in-depth research is going to be like 5x easier in terms of ease of accessing scientific papers. Already got some plans as to what my next targets will be, it's gonna go off :) Have a good summer!Kotare (talk) 05:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I knew about the Journals - and more to come. Summer already yay Kahuroa (talk) 05:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Treaty Of Waitangi
We meet again! Can you not think of a better way of saying northern North Island? It just sounds slightly silly and is likely to be misunderstood (as I did). If it is intended to mean the northern part of the North Island, I think we should say that, or something similar. 193.60.63.224 (talk) 09:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I am moving this discussion to the article's talk page. Kahuroa (talk)

Sirocco (kakapo)
Hi Kahuroa - I think this is the correct way of contacting you! Thanks very much for your comments and additions to the Sirocco page I put up - much appreciated. And thanks too for the pic - you're right, the Dept of Conservation does have better pics (though that's a cute one!) - I actually work for them so can access them pretty well! I was going to spend today working out how to put a picture up - if I can't do it I'll come back and ask for help! Again many thanks, Chris Pitt (talk) 19:50, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The main thing to sort out is the licencing - they need to release it under a free licence like Attribution Creative Commons or Attribution-Share Alike Creative Commons. We cannot use the no commercial or no derivatives versions of Creative commons. They might baulk at releasing it under those licences because they allow commercial use. But they should think of the benefits of having the plight of the bird publicised for free on one of the world's top 10 websites. Over the weekend I might send off some emails to get some pix from Flickr - can't hurt to try on multiple fronts. Kahuroa (talk) 20:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Infobox islands
Thanks for your feedback. I have responded at Template talk:Infobox islands. I think we can reach a suitable solution here. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 02:28, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Malayo-Polynesian languages
Hi, for Malayo-Polynesian_languages, the tree is not supposed to be based off Ethnologue, but rather the 2008 analysis of the Austronesian Basic Vocabulary Database, which does not always agree with Ethnologue. I've restored the old classification, but have put your edits into a new section. Thanks a lot! &mdash; Stevey7788 (talk) 21:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, I think the 2008 analysis is wacky, for Polynesian anyway. Kahuroa (talk) 22:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does have a lot of wacky classifications (of course I don't think the ABVD is infallible). But the best way would be to add a new section, not change the existing one. It's just that a half ABVD half Ethnologue tree wouldn't make any sense. Thanks for adding the Ethnologue classification though! &mdash; Stevey7788 (talk) 04:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I should have been more careful. Good the way you have done it now, cheers. Kahuroa (talk) 04:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Geography of New Caledonia
Hi, I see your recent change of image for the map of Melanesia in the article Geography of New Caledonia. I am curious as to the reason. The map you chose is a little more elegant but it is not nearly as detailed. I prefer to keep the original detail. Can you let me know your reasoning here (which I will watch) or on the talk page? Thanks.μηδείς (talk) 22:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought it gave a better idea of Melanesia in the context of the surrounding countries etc. But if you prefer the previous version I will change it back, no problem. Kahuroa (talk) 23:46, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see that. Thanks for your action, though, and in the case of your image's use in the article New Guinea it is a huge improvement.μηδείς (talk) 01:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Cheers. When I find a decently detailed outline map of the Pacific I may do a more detailed version. Kahuroa (talk) 01:49, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Stubs
Hmmm. No - I didn't know about that, and it seems counterproductive. I've left a note at WP:WSS about it. Grutness...wha?  22:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Lei barnstar

 * Mahalo noa. That means a lot, thank you! Kahuroa (talk) 07:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Samoan language
Hi there. Thanks for the notice, although I don't think I can suggest anything beyond what has already been suggested as I'm not a professional linguist! --Deryck C. 18:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * (TPS) You could ask Kwamikagami, who is active and works in this area. Iridia (talk) 23:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys. Kwami is a good suggestion thanks. I am halfway through some changes and will contact him once I iron those out. Kahuroa (talk) 00:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Māori taskforce
Hello Kahuroa,

I sometimes think that it would be useful to have a Māori taskforce within WPNZ, much like politics and music. Have you ever thought about that yourself? If you are keen to get something going, I'm willing to help you set it up. The reason I come to you with that is that you seem to be a (the?) sounding board for issues Māori, and I've just proposed to move a Māori article (Māori seats), and it would obviously be good to have a taskforce that would take an active interest in those things.  Schwede 66  00:22, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Must admit I haven't really thought about it, tho it sounds like something worth doing. How much interest do you think there would be? BTW I am going to be out of town for a couple of weeks so may not be able to do much till I am back Kahuroa (talk) 03:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * How much interest? Dunno. I tried to get some people interested in the politics taskforce some 3 months ago and there's now 10 of us. I've been quite active inviting people who edit articles that fall within the scope of the taskforce. So you generate the interest yourself to some extent, but you'd have a much better idea of the size of the target audience. Maybe you could poll a few fellow editors what they think of this.


 * I'll be on holiday in a week's time, too. Back 23 Aug.  Schwede 66  03:52, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That sounds encouraging then, thanks, we can look at getting this underway in August then Kahuroa (talk) 04:29, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure whether you have an interest in politics and history, but we are currently discussing a Māori issue. Chip in if you wish.  Schwede 66  02:56, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I guess we are both back from our holidays. Let me know if you would like to progress this.  Schwede 66  04:02, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Please see the project's talk page.  Schwede 66  07:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind invitation to join, which I'll accept despite my lack of knowledge about things Māori. I'll try to be more help than hindrance anyway. --Avenue (talk) 11:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Really pleased you said yes! You'll be a real assetKahuroa (talk) 21:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey Kahuroa, I haven't been editing Wikipedia much in 2010, but would like to get back into it, and would be keen to help out wherever possible with the Māori taskforce. Message me on my talk page, or direct email me if there are any tasks that you would specifically like tackled. Kindest Lanma726 (talk) 03:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject NZ Māori task force
I've just noticed that you up a WikiProject NZ Māori task force join request on my user page. I would have noticed it faster on my user talk page (because I get notifications). As it is I only noticed it now I'm involed in the project. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:03, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah that was dumb. Kahuroa (talk) 16:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Could use your input in some of the task force's current discussions, particularly with your linguistics background. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 04:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Just thought I would drop a quick thank you for finding the lost hyphens in the Richie McCaw article. AIR corn (talk) 06:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. Seems pretty ready for a GA application to me Kahuroa (talk) 22:01, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I was going to wait for the peer review, but I think you are right. I will put in a request now. AIR corn (talk) 00:20, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah cut out the middlemen and go for broke Kahuroa (talk) 01:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Why isn't it possible to add our local Chat on your Norfolk Island Link?
Thx for keeping me posted.

Greets Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasPa (talk • contribs) 10:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Because your chat site, no matter what you may think isn't notable and never will be. Chat sites are a nickel a dozen. Half  Shadow  18:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Guess that answers that Kahuroa (talk) 20:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Inset maps
See Template talk:Location map. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 05:38, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Towai
I noted your reversion of my addition to Towai. I didn't suggest it was named after the incident, but named after the spring. I suppose it is OR but I was in the pub there last week talking to a couple of the old timers and one of them mentioned it. Seemed reasonable so I checked out the spring and found the mention in Te Ao Hau. Not a big deal tho. Incidentlly, there are several towai growing near where I live, but the name of our town isn't Towai ):.Moriori (talk) 01:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah Towai trees are pretty common in the north. Notable trees often led to place names, I gave two Northland examples, so a source for the alternate derivation would be nice. Strange it's spelt like the tree and not the spring tho, and Te Ao Hou doesn't connect it with the name of the town. Kahuroa (talk) 04:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

New Zealand
Hi again. This time I have been working on the NZ article and feel it might be getting close to a promotion. I notice you have been fixing up some of my mistakes already and would like to encourage you to continue. Cheers AIR corn (talk) 23:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, I will take a look sometime in the not too distant. Kahuroa (talk) 04:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sweet. Mostly concerned about content at this stage; if anything major is missing or misrepresented and any trimming that can be done. AIR corn (talk) 00:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

You don't happen to remember the source of the File:Treatyofwaitangi.jpg image. I am sure it is in the public domain, but Avenue thinks it needs better sourcing. I found similar looking copies from Te Ara and the archives if that helps. AIR corn (talk) 09:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * An admin should be able to look up the history of the deleted original English wikipedia file. All I remember is that it had a black border around it that I took off. I can't remember who originally uploaded it.

PS - If it's any help in sourcing it, Te Ara has a similar image and there is a higher quality version here. Archives New Zealand has very high quality versions (See the links lower down on the page) - Kahuroa (talk) 09:38, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, those are much better. I've uploaded a hi-res version, and worked on the description and sourcing. --Avenue (talk) 14:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Kahuroa (talk) 19:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I have another image question for you. Was this photo taken from a place that is open to the public? If so, I think the photo won't infringe the carver's copyright due to freedom of panorama. I hope we can keep using the image; it makes a wonderful illustration. By the way, do you know who the carver might be? --Avenue (talk) 14:09, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I reckon. It is in the open porch of the house on the auckland uni marae. It is right next to a footpath that any student can wander down at will. You can take a pic of the porch of the house from the public road. Re the carver - I think it was Paki Harrison Kahuroa (talk) 23:44, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's very helpful. I've incorporated it into the image description page. This link suggests you are right about the carver. --Avenue (talk) 01:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)