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Italian titles
Ciao! In reference to your recent edit to Andrea Bocelli, I would signal you that Italian titles have no capitals... say, Il mare calmo della sera and NOT Il Mare Calmo Della Sera. Also (but this is just matter of style) things like "GER #10" are horrendous at my eyes; anyway I left them. Ciao and good work!!!--Attilios 12:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Kent Songs
Dom Som Forsvan and Min Vard are not CD singles, so please do not put them in the CD single categories.(LAz17 19:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)).

Quicksand (2003 film)
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John Fogerty discography
I want to personally thank you for adding the rest of John's international charts to his discography. I never did get around to it, so I want to say thank you so much! =D EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 16:40, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Snow Patrol discography
I see you added charting '111' on "Crack the Shutters" US chart. However you did not provide a reference for this. I searched the billboard site myself, and did not find it there. So I am removing it for now, if you have a ref to back your claim, i'll be happy to add it back in. Thanks! Suede67 (talk) 17:52, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, the same problem I faced woth the "Signal Fire" page, had to remove round 3 charts because of the redesigned Billboard site (see link). I'm sorry we cannot use forums as refs as they're considered unreliable. I might have used it otherwise, but I will try to get the list featured, and this will be brought up, cant help it. Suede67 (talk) 20:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Pink Floyd discography
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Marc Anthony discography
Hey, thanks for adding European charts to Marc Anthony's discography! I had no idea which sources to use for EU charts. I appreciate the help! =D Magiciandude (talk) 00:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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What 's going on...
...with this edit? Deleted half the article. Dawnseeker2000  02:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, meant to update only the discography section but there happened some kind of error and it got all messed up, was about to correct it anyway Kai81 (talk)


 * OK np & thanks for the details. Have a good day/night. Dawnseeker2000   02:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

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The Pretenders discography
Hey... thanks for expanding this. Just giving a heads-up that a consensus at WP:DISCOG was to keep discography tables at 10 columns max. After your additions, the albums table is now at 11 and the singles is at 12. Not sure which albums column to remove (perhaps a note on the talk page to gain consenus?) but I'm thinking maybe the glut of U.S. charts at the end of the singles table can go. A/C and AAA? - eo (talk) 18:32, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Santana discography
thx for adding the other singles :).-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 20:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * hello again. I don't know why you added them; are they really singles? Or non-singles? Please explain it. Thank you.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 13:33, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but now I don't know what you mean... What are you exactly refering to? If which are singles or non-singles? Kai81 (talk) 18:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Singles like "Open Invitation", "All I Ever Wanted" or "I Love You Much Too Much" with m-dashes in the 10 charts.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 20:39, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

"Open Invitation", "All I Ever Wanted" or "I Love You Much Too Much" were all official single releases in Europe (UK, Germany, Netherlands etc) Kai81 (talk) 21:52, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I annoy you. But I need to know, how you know that they were official single releases there? I searched in musicbrainz and allmusic but I didn't find any information of those songs, they were released as singles.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 06:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Source & information of the three singles you mentioned

"All I Ever Wanted" (UK chart single in 1980, peaked at #57)
 * http://www.chartstats.com/release.php?release=8552
 * Discogs (http://www.discogs.com/Santana-All-I-Ever-Wanted/release/650438)

"Open Invitation"
 * http://hitparade.ch/showitem.asp?interpret=Santana&titel=Open+Invitation&cat=s

"I Love You Much Too Much":
 * Discogs (http://www.discogs.com/Santana-I-Love-You-Much-Too-Much/master/238341)(http://www.discogs.com/Santana-I-Love-You-Much-Too-Much/release/650167)
 * http://hitparade.ch/showitem.asp?interpret=Santana&titel=I+Love+You+Much+Too+Much&cat=s

Kai81 (talk) 15:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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santana discography
thank you to contribute to this article, but i have no clue why you removed "hot adult contemporary" and delayed all ad cont to hot ad cont. isn't hot adult cont and adult cont different charts? or is it the same? please reply to me. cheers-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 09:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you say, what the asterisks in the German column means? Thank you.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 11:20, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The asterix in the German column means that the song charted there, but I don't know what the highest chart positions were for those songs. They are listed on http://www.charts-surfer.de/musiksuche.php?de but that page used to list the positions for the songs, but for some copyright reason it only lists the date of entry and title. Some of those charts are listed on http://www.musicline.de/de/chartverfolgung_summary/artist/Santana/single?sort=entry but the ones with a featured artist are listed on separate entries on that page (and on some occasion only have partial information). I just found the chart positions for "Put Your Lights On" and "Just Feel Better" after a little searching, but the chart positions for "Corazón Espinado", "Dirty Dancin'" and "The Game Of Love" are still missing.

Kai81 (talk) 11:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Robert Palmer - Rhythm & Blues
Hello, a short while ago you edited the article for the Robert Palmer album Rhythm & Blues and stated it charted at #118 in the UK. Do you have any proof of this as I expect other wikipedians will begin to ask soon. Thanks. Ajsmith141 (talk) 10:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

The chart position is taken from the Chart Log UK / Chartwatch site (www.zobbel.de) which lists all the UK chart entries since 1994, even those that listed below the Top 75. On the site http://zobbel.de/cluk/CLUK_P.HTM you can find the chart position for Rhythm & Blues and all other Robert Palmer UK chart entries after 1994. Scroll doen to Palmer on the site as they are listed in alphabetical order.

Kai81 (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Led Zeppelin discography
hello,

I have nominated this list for FLC but I need the source for this claim:  you added here. Thank you.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 10:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

What it meant (something like 3 years ago, i believe) was that the songs charted due to download sales, without being released as single releases. As they changed the chart rules in UK at that time in 2007, songs (like album tracks)that previously were ineligible to chart now could do that. The footnote is pretty useless these days as most tracks that chart are due to download sales, but back then in November 2007 the entries would have probably been removed by some other wiki-user who didn't qualify them as "singles" as such. I'm surprised that it's still there, it could be replaced with mentioning them simply as "download2 or something similar.

Kai81 (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Could you say where you found the chart positions for Immigrant Song and Black Dog? You added the peak chart positions here: -- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 09:32, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Source: http://zobbel.de/cluk/071124cluk.txt. Added it on the Led Zeppelin Discography page

Kai81 (talk) 17:19, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Bon Jovi discography edit
Hi there. I noticed you edited the Bon Jovi discography page, adding the chart position of #105 to Runaway in Australia. Is there a source for this chart position? Thank you :) Savvi72 (talk) 00:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I saw it on australian-charts.com forum page (http://australian-charts.com/forum.asp?todo=viewthread&id=21533&pages=) which lists Australian charts (Kent Music Report/Australian Music Report) pre-1989 (as the ARIA charts listed on the main page on that site started that year). When scrolling down to the entry dated 24/04/2008 15:05 you can find Bon Jovi's Australian chart history pre-1989, and there it's mentioned that "Runaway" nearly missed Top 100 by charting at #105 (i assume it's like with the Billboard's Bubbling Under Chart). If you're not sure about it I guess it can be removed as it actually didn't reach the Top 100.

Kai81 (talk) 16:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome. I didnt know it charted at 105. Thanks for that =) Savvi72 (talk) 02:56, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi again! Sorry to be a pain, but I was wondering what your source is for "What Do You Got?" charting at number 127 in the UK? Savvi72 (talk) 10:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Source: http://zobbel.de/cluk/101113cluk.txt

Kai81 (talk) 18:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Lighthouse Family discography
Judging from comments above, this issue seems to be recurring. You added information to Lighthouse Family discography which is not mentioned in the source provided. I am not doubting that you saw this somewhere. But could you please not add information without a source? Best regards and happy editing. --Muhandes (talk) 07:10, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't mean to add it without source information. I added it again with offical/reliable source information. BTW, the Australian Albums & Singles Charts include 100 positions on each, but on australian-charts.com they have only licenced the Top 50 positions, which is why there's always a lot of AUS chart positions that are not mentioned in the source provided.

Kai81 (talk) 10:43, 25 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand the problem, thanks for adding the source. --Muhandes (talk) 12:18, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Simon & Garfunkel discography
hello,

thank you very much for your effort to add references and peak chart positions. You have a very good knowledge in charting, so I will I ask you everytime if possible :D. Regards.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 16:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you give me the page for ref 11, please? Thanks.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ref 11, the Finnish Chart Book "Sisältää hitin" has Simon & Garfunkel's chart history on page 263. Kai81 (talk) 15:37, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Could you say the page number for the Kent ref?-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ Share– a– Power[citation needed] 10:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have the Austalian Chart Book by Kent at the moment near me, have to check from the library at some point the page number Kai81 (talk) 12:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Depeche Mode
Hi Kai81. Sorry, I had no idea that the 101-200 positions were available through subscription until now, thank you for pointing this out to me. I had assumed, since it was a foreign website, it had nothing to do with the official UK chart. Can you confirm what the chart position was after "Personal Jesus 2011" was physically released as a CD last week? No. 190 back in April was surely for the download? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 20:42, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

"Personal Jesus 2011" charted at #119 if i remember correctly (have to re-check it), unfortuantely it didn't make it to Top 75. It did however make the Top 40 in Germany, peaking at #36

Kai81 (talk) 21:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Keith Urban discography
Thanks for the information on the Australian charts. I had no idea where editors were obtaining chart positions lower than 50. I could never find the proper sources for positions lower than 50, so whenever I come across something I'm editing and don't have a reference for, I remove it, as its unsourced. But now I now where to look.

Also, "Long Hot Summer" was only a promo-single in Australia, and is the current single in the US, where it debuted at number 41 on the Billboard Hot Country Songs chart this week, as you can see here. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 18:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

When We Were Young
Great work with this article, very well done! Yids2010 (talk) 16:29, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Re:Eros Ramazzotti discography - Video albums - Concert tour videos - Notes
I must confess that I was not aware that DVD Music Albums could also chart on Audio Album Charts in Germany. While Media Control does provide a separate chart for Music DVDs which happens to be Top-20 only, see it here, I see that AC/DC is currently at No.1 on Media Control DVD chart with Live at River Plate, which is only available on DVD and Blu-ray. But I see that the same DVD album is at No.19 on Media Control audio album chart. And that supports your claim. Therefore, I agree to changing the wording into something like: ''Note that the listed positions for Concert DVD Eros Roma Live released in 2004 are for German audio albums chart and Swiss audio albums chart. Note that DVD albums / Blu-ray albums (and VHS previously) can chart on Audio Album Chart both in Germany and Switzerland''. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, and let me know if you're ok with that very wording.--Harout72 (talk) 22:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding the rules of the 2002 which allows the Video Albums to appear on Audio Album Charts, I can't see it on here. Is it mentioned anywhere in Media Control's official site, because it's worth including it at the page of Media Control on wiki. But yes you're right, if it's gone into effect only by 2002, then VHS doesn't have to be stated. As for the way each record's spot on charts is determined, it is quite interesting, that rule went into effect in 2007, but I'm glad they still certify singles and albums based on units sold. Otherwise, they would remind me of the way the Brits use to run their industry before '79. Ok then, I'll be implementing it as we agreed, without the VHS. Feel free to improve the wording if you please.--Harout72 (talk) 02:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is an excellent source for that information. I will definitely add information about what we discussed to our wiki page of Media Control using that very source. Thanks.--Harout72 (talk) 04:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Radiohead discography
hello,

me again :). Can you find the Australian chart positions in the "Singles" section in Radiohead discography for "Anyone Can Play Guitar", "My Iron Lung", "High and Dry" and "Karma Police". I couldn't find the positions neither in nor in . Do you have a source for those positions? Also I am searching for the Canadian position for "2 + 2 = 5". Thanks.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ Hey it's me I am dynamite  20:37, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Chart positions for "Anyone Can Play Guitar", "My Iron Lung", "High and Dry" and "Karma Police" can be found David Kent's "Australian Chart Book (1993–2005)". Australian Chart Book, 2006, Turramurra, N.S.W.. ISBN 0646458892. I've added already this now to Radiohead discography
 * A Canadian ref for "2+2=5" I can't seem to find either, or at least a reliable one, only on some music forums which can't be used here as a reference, but I believe it to be correct so it will have to be "unsourced" until someone gives a clear reference.
 * Kai81 (talk) 20:32, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Anastacia discography
I have reverted your good faith edits as France is considered the fifth largest music market in the world; whereas Austria is only a small market. Please see Global music industry market share data for that information. Besides looking at the chart positions, one needs to look at certifications as well, and also the total figures that certifications combined represent. Anastacia's French certified sales are 1,650,000 (singles and albums combined); however, Anastacia's Austrian certified sales are only 260,000. As you can see there is a huge difference between the two. For full certified sales of Anastacia, please refer to this document that I have put together. Regards.--Harout72 (talk) 23:59, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Finnish chart
Hi, I saw that you added single chart positions of the Finnish chart from before the mid-90s in some discographies, so I don't know if by any chance you have the peak position for a-ha's "Take on Me", the Human League's "Don't you Want Me" and Madonna's "Papa Don't Preach"? Thank you. Regards. Frcm1988 (talk) 18:53, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Eros Ramazzotti discography
I had to revert some of your recent edits as you have supported singles' positions by a Fan made/collected chart data. That source is not a reliable source. That cannot be used anywhere on wikipedia, you can ask the folks at WP:RSN. Also, please leave a brief explanation in edit summary for your edits. Regards.--Harout72 (talk) 18:11, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * While it may be true that some of the positions on it-charts.150m.com are correct, it still doesn't change the fact that it is a Fan made/collected chart data. Therefore, it should not be used. Similarly, positions supported by that very site on other wikipedia pages should be removed as well. Again, you could ask the folks at WP:RSN whether or not it-charts.150m.com should be regarded as reliable only because those positions are not available anywhere else. You could even ask the administrator, Kww who is quite knowledgeable as to what should be accepted for charts. As for Recommended charts, we are currently using Hung Median to support records released after 2000. I understand that hitparadeitalia.it is not the best reliability wise, but neither is it-charts.150m.com as there is no way to be sure whether the positions posted on there are 100% correct. I personally don't mind supporting a few positions with αCharts.us, but if you or others don't agree on using it, we can remove the positions supported by it. Thanks for discussing.--Harout72 (talk) 17:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Question on your recent edits
Could you please tell me how one should verify the positions that you have supposedly corrected in this edit, when the archived charts at FIMI do not offer more than 10 positions. Although you have failed to provide the sources for your positions, this here according to your specified weekly chart, is supposed to support the position No.29 for "Il tempo tra di noi", and this here is supposed to support the positions No.21 for "Ci parliamo da grandi". I won't revert your edits as I'm hoping there is a way to check those positions, perhaps I just don't know how to navigate the site well enough.--Harout72 (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * FIMI (Sales charts) VS Italiancharts.com: Hung Median (Combination of Sales and Airplay)


 * We cannot post positions unless they can be verifiable, and the Top-10 archived positions on FIMI cannot help us for positions charted lower than No.10. Also, let me point out that FIMI's Top Digital Download is strictly a sales chart, whereas, the Italiancharts.com is based on Airplay and Sales. For example, Rihanna's "Don't Stop the Music" has peaked at No.2 on Italiancharts.com (Airplay and Sales), but it has managed to peak only at No.5 on FIMI (Sales). Therefore, we should not get fixated on the idea of regarding the positions posted by acharts.us as incorrect as they are positions based on Sales and Airplay combined. And therefore, they are higher positions than those posted by FIMI.--Harout72 (talk) 18:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting, I did compare for example Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" and "Judas", and as you claimed on my talk page, the positions both on FIMI and Italiancharts.com correlate perfectly. Thanks for that information, I wasn't aware that Italian Music Industry didn't release Physical singles at all, I guess you learn something new everyday. But I don't believe I have ever reverted an edit that didn't deserve to be reverted. I have reverted those edits of yours, the positions in which couldn't have been verified as you didn't provide any actual sources, see this recent edit of yours. I also have reverted such edits of yours which were based on Fan-collected and unreliable sources, see this here . They both clearly deserved to be reverted, don't you agree? As for my own edits, whenever Italiancharts.com has positions available, that is my first choice. I only turn to charts like hitparadeitalia or acharts.us when the former doesn't have positions available. So, is the chart provided by Musica & Dischi (M&D) based on Airplay and Digital Downloads? Why does it have different positions?--Harout72 (talk) 22:51, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

So basically, the difference within the positions published by FIMI and Musica & Dischi is the fact that the latter doesn't rely on Nielsen Soundscan or the German based research company, GfK International, but it relies on Shipment method and also Sales submitted non-electronically by retailers. Where have you read this information? Also, how do you know that GfK International relies on sales or/and scanned data from Monday to Sunday, whereas the Nielsen Soundscan system relied on data from Friday to Saturday? I don't mean to question your knowledge, I'm just curious if FIMI does offer this information on their site. It's hard for me to navigate as I don't speak Italian.--Harout72 (talk) 16:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Very interesting stuff especially this here, I appreciate your help. Let me ask you something, would you happen to know of an article or a page on FIMI that provides detailed changes of their certification-award-levels for every period that FIMI lowered its Gold/Platinum levels. Since I don't have their detailed changes, I always end up turning to Billboard like articles such as this and this. I'm wondering if there is such an article either on FIMI (besides this) or elsewhere which offers all of the level-changes on one page, like Bundesverband Musikindustrie has this for Germany's certification-levels. Again, thanks for providing me with the article and also the page on FIMI, both are very useful.--Harout72 (talk) 01:15, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

UK Year-end chart
hello,

could you find a reliable reference for the charting of The Concert in Central Park in the UK Year-end charts at number 43? I have only a list of -40. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 09:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, in 2011 you've added info to Ricky Martin's singles articles about two additional Finnish charts. Thanks for that :) Could I have few questions? What is Finnish Top 50 Hits and Finnish Airplay Chart, and how are the different from the main singles chart? And my second question is: could you give me the dates to Ricky Martin singles (entry dates and peak dates for Finnish Top 50 Hits and Finnish Airplay Chart, if you have them?) :) Thanks in advance. --Max24 (talk) 14:39, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

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