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Please amend data
Hi Man, Recently, I have created quite a number of Chinese soccer players, please amend data for me. A lot of data that I didn't put reference is because, I work in soccer industry in China. I mainly get those data from friends, not formal data source. You can also noticed that most players I created are either born in Shandong or Liaoning, because I am only familiar with Liaoning and Shandong players. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liujinhui1981 (talk • contribs) 10:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Spell Check
Hi Kai Lau, I noticed you have keep making the same spelling mistake. Please try to check your spelling before you post your edit. In particular I noticed your spell "appearance" incorrectly. You spell it like this- "appearEnce".

Happy editing!! Clerks. (talk) 14:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:MOSFLAG
Hi. A tip. We don't use flags in footballers infoboxes. Rettetast (talk) 17:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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Zhang Honggen
I notice that in the first line of the article it says Yin Tiesheng instead of Zhang Honggen.--Larrybob (talk) 18:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Hu Yunfeng


The article Hu Yunfeng has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Fails wp:footy/n and wp:gng. I can not find any indication that he has actually played for the Chinese national team.  All other teams he has played for are below the level of the Chinese Super League.

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March 2012
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 * Um, I did contact you explaining the problem - right above. You added unreferenced information about a living person. I was fully in my right to remove it. Thanks for now adding a source. GiantSnowman 10:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies if my tone has come across as rude, I certainly didn't intend it to be that way. I messaged you directly after deleting your contribution, and as there was a 13 hour period between you adding the information and me removing it, that was more than enough time for you to have referenced Don't forget - the "burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material". Regards, GiantSnowman 17:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you read the Citation needed? It says, quite clearly, "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons should be removed immediately. Do not tag it: immediately remove it." GiantSnowman 18:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You had 13 hours to add a source - is that not enough time? GiantSnowman 19:11, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You added unreferenced information about a BLP, I removed it, you added it with a source - happy days. No need to threaten me. GiantSnowman 19:35, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Moisés Moura Pinheiro
Hi there LAU, VASCO here,

you did a great job at improving the article overall, period. My summary was a bit exaggerated to say the least, i apologize for that. However, i have already composed some of your further additions in the player's article as: 1 - you repeated 2009/10 PRIMEIRA LIGA and 2010/11 UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE contents (overlinking/overinformation); 2 - please, full names of clubs in storyline, compression is for box; 3 - i removed this reference (please see here http://www.footballzz.co.uk/edicao.php?id_edicao=1429) because it shows nothing of his link to FLAMENGO in 2007, only that the club won the regional league (we should try to get a source about his signing or similar); 4 - last but not least, it is not necessary to refer to all the honours won by the player in storyline, that is the job of the HONOURS section, some suffice in storyline.

Kind regards from Portugal, sorry for any incovenience --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

User talk:118.97.95.54
Hi Kai Lau,

I'm not an admin so I don't have the possibility to act directly against this IP. The only thing I can do is to report him at Administrator intervention against vandalism (after he has been given sufficient recent warnings to stop his behavior). In this case another editor has given this IP another a final warning so I don't think that it will help to report him at WP:AIV. But if he vandalizes again, I will try to get him blocked. --Jaellee (talk) 21:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Diffusing Category:Chinese footballers
The category was getting way too large and therefore should be diffused; please do not add back Category:Chinese footballers from the diffused player pages. Please see WP:DIFFUSE. --Nlu (talk) 13:20, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. thanks for trying to let me know that you were going to to revert the changes I made diffusing the Chinese footballer category to a positional subcategory. Unfortunately you left your message out of time sequence on an archived talk page, rather than on my active talk page - so I didn't see it at the time. If you want to talk with me, please do so either here or at User talk:Dsp13 - even better, give your reasons at the WikiProject Football talk page. Best wishes, Dsp13 (talk) 13:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

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Jiang Ning
Any reason why you are constantly re-introducing poor English writing and information not supported by reliable sources? GiantSnowman 18:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the bogus warning. Any reason why you are posting into my talk page archive? WP:CIR. GiantSnowman 21:22, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Football in Hunan
Hi, I'm probably violating all kinds of Wikipedia etiquette here but I dot know how else to contact you. I'm from England and currently living and teaching in Jishou in Hunan and can't find any information about possible football clubs to join or try-out for. I've tried contacting the local uni and they were no help. Please could you possibly send me any information you have on semi-pro or even amateur teams in the Jishou, Xiangxi, or wider Hunan area. Or any coaching opportunities in the Hunan area also would be of interest. Thank you. Kind regards, Sean email: s1111676@uni.cumbria.ac.uk wechat: seanrum — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seanrum (talk • contribs) 06:29, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Chinese FA Super Cup
Hi, Kai Lau! Official documents about Chinese FA Super Cup in the early years had already deleted form Chinese FA official website. So I found some related reports about this competition: I think we can deduce the rest from this pattern. No matter the match played at the end of the season or at the beginning of the next season, it was named after the year when participants won their trophies between 1995 and 2003.
 * The match played on 18 January 2004 between Beijing and Shanghai is named as "2003 Chinese FA Super Cup (2003年度中国足协超霸赛)". Source: 2003年度中国足协超霸赛竞赛规程--申花VS现代
 * The match played on 6 February 2003 between Dalian and Qingdao is named as "2002 Chinese FA Super Cup (2002年度中国足协超霸赛)". Source: 中国足协展示2002年度超霸赛冠亚军奖杯
 * The match played on 26 February and 2 March 2002 between Dalian and Shanghai is named as "2001 Chinese FA Super Cup (2001年度中国足协超霸赛)". Source: 中国足协超霸赛元宵节开打 世界杯前上演连沪双雄战
 * The match played on 30 December 2000 between Dalian and Chongqing is named as "2000 Chinese FA Super Cup (2000年度中国足协超霸赛)". Source: 大连实德队获中国足协超霸赛冠军

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Beijing Guoan F.C.
your first reference was about the selling of CITIC Guoan Group, but not the football club. also please consider checking http://www.gsxt.gov.cn first. Matthew_hk  t  c  08:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes I provided a reference that stated that CITIC Guoan Group had sold a large stake of it's company. I thought it necessary to establish the ownership of the club had moved from CITIC Guoan Group to CITIC Limited so when I continued to mention the club's ownership there wouldn't be any confusion. Your edit actually keeps the reference and embellishes upon the sentence with this:


 * "Despite founded by CITIC Guoan Group, the stake of the football club was held by another subsidiary (Chinese: 中国中信股份有限公司; literally: "China CITIC Co., Ltd.") of CITIC Group, a Beijing incorporated SPV for a possible listing in the mainland China since 2012.[24] (CITIC Group invited other investors to purchase the new share of CITIC Guoan Group in 2014,[25] making the company no longer a subsidiary of CITIC Group) In 2014, CITIC Group backdoor listing most of their assets to their Hong Kong based subsidiary CITIC Pacific (renaming to CITIC Limited) including the entire share capital of "China CITIC", thus the stake of the football club was indirectly floated in a stock exchange."


 * Are you informing me that you believe that the sentence I wrote and the reference I provided is redundant and doesn't adhere to the direct ownership of the club? If so I propose a more streamlined edit:


 * "On January 10, 2017 real estate company Sinobo Group finalised a 64% stake within the club while the remaining shares stayed with CITIC Group under CITIC Limited."


 * Also please stop using http://www.gsxt.gov.cn as a reference as it's main page only and doesn't provide any actual information, which makes it a Shallow references. Please use this unnecessary long address to validate your references:


 * http://www.gsxt.gov.cn/%7BgsNli6nK1PuU00XjUc-baYJ6Yh4VvQ4fnANPTNrC1sJKktAktmm-nQvcPPr_SPLJ0bYh8nqnovN-K0bsihI7NcWi0PD-p2MsckGnb0asDoQw8KAnBKH0B2WN9XWzt4XbYIBWMhGUq2nu9FYqaj7i5A-1484354608170%7D

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 * The formation of 中国中信股份有限公司 in 2012, the stake already transferred from CITIC Guoan Group, thank you. the "selling" of CITIC Guoan Group in 2014 may not quite related to retaining the football club in the umbrella of CITIC Group. for http://www.gsxt.gov.cn/, i am afraid the link may not be static. Matthew_hk   t  c  04:17, 14 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for clarifying your message a little bit better. User:Kai Lau (talk) 01.24 January 15, 2017 (GMT)

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Hao Haidong
The content on this BLP is unsourced and has been challenged and removed. Do not re-add it unless it is all clearly referenced by a reliable source. GiantSnowman 20:04, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Edits in China PR football team page
What are you talking about? I honestly don't understand. I'm doing my best to curtailing the un-necessary content and to summarize the history's content, as well as other areas. Simple as that, there is nothing more. I am not trying to vandalize anything or "maliciously" removing sourced content. A lot of information are subject of recentism. A lot of sourced content are not necessarily put in there. They're reduntdant. And I don't know what you are talking about with the Nederlands wiki channel.Pestick (talk) 18:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)


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Conditional tense
Please stop using the conditional tense when writing about footballers. Using "would" instead of the simple past tense of a verb is incorrect in most situations in English. "He would transfer to second-tier side..." is not correct. Rather, it should read "He transferred to second-tier side..." Anwegmann (talk) 16:16, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Anwegmann, Thank you for your feedback. Kai Lau (talk) 21:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Replying in support of User:Anwegmann. Seems like you're still using the conditional. IDontHaveSkype (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I just browsed through your edits, and IDontHaveSkype is correct. You are still using the conditional tense inappropriately. If you continue to use the conditional tense like this, we will be forced to start reverting your entire edit each time we see it. If you do not stop after that, we will have to start questioning you WP:COMPETENCE. Anwegmann (talk) 01:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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