User talk:Kaldari/Archive 11

Chelicerata
Hi, Kaldari. Sorry, but I reverted your change to the taxobox at Chelicerata as I think the change removed how to navigate from Animalia to Chelicerata. I'm sure you thought there were reasons, and hope you will tell me. --Philcha (talk) 21:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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Portia fimbriata
Hi, Kaldari. Some of your changes at Portia fimbriata were useful. And I can change the URL for "A qualitative analysis of hunting behaviour in jumping spiders (Araneae: Salticidae)" if there's no DOI. But your changes like "pages=117" to "page=117" are wrong, as these are the total length of the books. I use "pages=large number" for total pages and e.g. "page=56-57" if I use only 1 page or set - if I want multiple groups of pages, I use r. AFAIK RefTools interprets the params as I have suggested, see ref to "A qualitative analysis of hunting behaviour in jumping spiders (Araneae: Salticidae)" Portia labiata. --Philcha (talk) 09:36, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 July newsletter
We are half way through the penultimate round of this year's WikiCup; there is less than a month to go before we have our final 8. Our pool leaders are (Pool A, 189 points) and  (Pool B, 165 points). The number of points required to reach the next round is not clear at this time; there are some users who still do not have any recorded points. Please remember to update your submissions' pages promptly. In addition, congratulations to PresN, who scored the first featured topic points in the competition for his work on Thatgamecompany related articles. Most points this round generally have, so far, come from good articles, with only one featured article (White-bellied Sea Eagle, from ) and two featured lists (Hugo Award for Best Graphic Story, from PresN and Grammy Award for Best Native American Music Album, from ). Points for Did You Know and good article reviews round out the scoring. No points have been awarded for In the News, good topics or featured pictures this round, and no points for featured sounds or portals have been awarded in the entire competition. On an unrelated note, preparation will be beginning soon for next year's WikiCup- watch this space!

There is little else to be said beyond the usual. Please list anything you need reviewing on WikiCup/Reviews, so others following the WikiCup can help, and please do help if you can by providing reviews for the articles listed there. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews generally at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup- points are, of course, offered for reviews at GAC. Two final notes: Firstly, please remember to state your participation in the WikiCup when nominating articles at FAC. Finally, some WikiCup-related statistics can be seen here and here. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 11:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

GA review of Portia fimbriata
You have not responded to my commeents last night. --Philcha (talk) 11:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiLove bug
Hello,

I see you are in charge of the WikiLove extension (great work by the way). I noticed a bug and was wondering if you could fix it.

The image for the Graphic Designer's Barnstar is wrong. It is currently using the Rosetta Barnstar image.

Thanks! Inverse Hypercube 23:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Kaldari!

I appreciate a word of support. I've been dealing with attacks for days. (As I mentioned with "I'm not a saint", some complaints have been justified, but it's really been out of hand.)

I won't describe how grateful I am, but you may guess as deeply and profoundly as you can imagine and you will be correct.

Thanks again, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 02:07, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

RefToolBar
Hey,

Can you please help me to implement refToolbar at ml:wp. We have done all the steps mentioned on refToolbar 2.0 but still no luck. Appreciate your help. --Anoopan (talk) 15:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I'm not going to have time to help with this any time soon. Perhaps you could ask User:Mr.Z-man. Kaldari (talk) 17:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Slow page loads
I noticed that you quoted on the delete for times. I had a look at the bug and they appear to be focusing on the cite templates but there must be more to the problem then that family of templates as I have problems on pages without any cite style templates. The problem has to be templates in general as the pages I have problems with are those that have lots of Coord template calls in them, see the set of List of United Kingdom locations, a number of which retain the older template as they will not load with Coord. Keith D (talk) 16:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I've changed the bug summary accordingly. Kaldari (talk) 17:22, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have not got a Bugsilla account to update myself. Keith D (talk) 19:29, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Don4of4 [Talk] 17:19, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Atlanta californiensis
You seem to be an editor in good standing and an administrator to boot. Then I can't understand vandalism to the article Atlanta californiensis, where you write that this snail is 5 miles long. Or has your computer been used by someone else using your username ? I haven't given you the normal notification of an act of vandalism (intentional false information), because I can hardly believe that you would do this, but rather give you a friendly notification. I have now edited the article by adding some data. JoJan (talk) 13:45, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Donky Kong list organization
Hi- I just wanted to follow up with you regarding the discussion at Talk:List of Donkey Kong video games. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC))

Template:MLBplayer
Your recent edit to this template makes the font so small on my browser that I cannot make out the numbers. I can't edit the protected template. Can you please revert the change? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I notice it's uncategorized. Can you please add Category:Baseball templates? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

RfC
Hi, I would like to know your opinion about this proposal. I believe we should develop more social features similar to WikiLove.  ■ MMXX  talk  11:48, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Gals Panic
Thanks for the nod concerning the Gals Panic article. To be honest, I wrote that over five years ago when I first started using Wikipedia. Up until seeing all the changes made today, I had stopped editing it or even following it. I'm not even sure where I got all that info from to go back and source it. I know there were sources but they're probably dead links by now. If it ever comes down to a deletion, I'll probably do some searching. Feel free to add some yourself if you can find them. Not like you need my permission though! haha! Thanks again for the compliment. NJZombie (talk) 20:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 July newsletter
The finals are upon us; we're down to the last few. One of the eight remaining contestants will be this year's WikiCup champion! 150 was the score needed to progress to the final; just under double the 76 required to reach round 4, and more than triple the 41 required to reach round 3. Our eight finalists are:


 * , Pool A's winner. Casliber has the highest total score in the competition, with 1528, the bulk of which is made up of 8 featured articles. He has the highest number of total featured articles (8, 1 of which was eligible for double points) and total did you knows (72) of any finalist. Casliber writes mostly on biology, including ornithology, botany and mycology.
 * , Pool B's winner and the highest scorer this round. PresN is the only finalist who has scored featured topic points, and he has gathered an impressive 330, but most of his points come from his 4 featured articles, one of which scored double. PresN writes mostly on video games and the Hugo Awards.
 * , Pool A's runner-up. Hurricanehink's points are mostly from his 30 good articles, more than any other finalist, and he is also the only finalist to score good topic points. Hurricanehink, as his name suggests, writes mostly on meteorology.
 * , Pool B's runner-up. Wizardman has completed 86 good article reviews, more than any other finalist, but most of his points come from his 2 featured articles. Wizardman writes mostly on American sport, especially baseball.
 * , the "fastest loser" (Pool A). Miyagawa has written 3 featured lists, one of which was awarded double points, more than any other finalist, but he was awarded points mostly for his 68 did you knows. Miyagawa writes on a variety of topics, including dogs, military history and sport.
 * , the second "fastest loser" (Pool B). Most of Resolute's points come from his 9 good articles. He writes mostly on Canadian topics, including ice hockey.
 * , who was joint third "fastest loser" (Pool A). Most of Evan's points come from his 10 good articles, and he writes mostly on meteorology.
 * , who was joint third "fastest loser" (Pool B). Most of Phil's points come from his 9 good articles, 4 of which (more than any other finalist) were eligible for double points. He writes mostly on aeronautics.

We say goodbye to our seven other semi-finalists,, , , , , and. Everyone still in the competition at this stage has done fantastically well, and contributed greatly to Wikipedia. We're on the home straight now, and we will know our winner in two months.

In other news, preparations for next year's competition have begun with a brainstorming thread. Please, feel free to drop by and share any thoughts you have about how the competition should work next year. Sign ups are not yet open, but will be opened in due course. Watch this space. Further, there has been a discussion about the rule whereby those in the WikiCup must delcare their participation when nominating articles at featured article candidates. This has resulted in a bot being created by new featured article delegate. The bot will leave a message on FAC pages if the nominator is a participant in the WikiCup.

A reminder of the rules: any points scored after August 29 may be claimed for the final round, and please remember to update submission pages promptly. If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 00:05, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

A user of your stature should know better
Hello. It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on others' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Pregnancy. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Given that the topic was already a subject of an RFC there were certainly enough participants in the discussion to produce consensus already, it is pretty clear that the only purpose of your post here was to recruit editors who you believed would support your position. extransit (talk) 04:08, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Extransit, please review and then apply WP:AGF to your own behavior. An article on pregnancy is of interest to members and followers of the WikiProject Feminism. Kaldari's message was certainly neutral, and your accusation unwarranted. Please review the essay Don't template the regulars.   Kiefer .Wolfowitz 04:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't template the regulars, fair point. But there is no need to AGF when the situation is clear. Reading the talk page there you will see that WP:FEMINISM is not "a resource to help coordinate and organize the writing and editing of those articles" (WP:PROJ) but instead a resource to help coordinate and organize feminist point of view. I'll give you that this is hardly sinister, but remember that every agenda editor belives that they are purveyors of The Truth.TM extransit (talk) 04:58, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

"I can't wait until someone explains that what we really have is an educated white American male bias"
The Signpost is on the look out for opinionated writers right now, just sayin'... Skomorokh  12:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * *LOL* Kiefer .Wolfowitz 12:28, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be a nice can of worms to open :P Kaldari (talk) 20:03, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Japanese knife diagram
Hi, the Japanese knife diagram you requested at the illustration workshop has been done. Unfortunately I have no idea what the translations are so I've just left a list of the numbers on the summary box. I'd be grateful if you could let us know if this request of yours is now resolved. Cheers. --The Pink Oboe (talk) 01:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Systemic bias in Featured Pictures
I agree with your comment wholeheartedly. I have attempted to take a step to correct it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Misogyny in hip hop culture
I just saw that Misogyny in hip hop culture is up for deletion. If the article can't be rescued could you please move it to my sandbox so that I can use it to write a new article (probably Misogyny in music)? There are tons of top quality studies in peer-reviewed journals that deal with this subject and writing a new article about misogyny in different music genres, not just hip hop, can't be too difficult. Thanks. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 15:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Apologies
Regarding this post of yours, I apologize for not putting "liberal bias" in quotation marks. I personally think we have a "reality bias" here. (I've posted this same comment, belated, to the Suggestions page.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 14:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Answers
Im not finished with the divorce (islamic) article so dont worry about the mess. Heres the answers:
 * Talaq is a verb directed from a man to his wife meaning a divorce. Talaq is an arabic word, so i guess it couyld be used by non-muslim Arabs.
 * Yes Talaq is used by non-arab muslims but not always, sometimes their own language is used.
 * Sunnis and Shias are not completely homogenous groups. They have further sub-sects and thus further disagreements.
 * In a secular state, A man simply says Talaq three times, a woman finds an imam in a local mosque to do the procedure. Shias require two witnesses who overhears the couple and then bears witness to the divorce.

But you have to understand that controversies always exist among muslim scholars who often disagree, sometimes even from within the same school of thought. This has a lot to do with hadiths and which hadith is viewed as authentic or weak - which is suject to a lot of interpretation. Pass a Method  talk  17:49, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Ganeshbot 10
Hi Kaldari, Please review Bots/Requests_for_approval/Ganeshbot_10. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 11:20, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I have made the changes to expand the stub. Can you please review and reconsider your objection? Thanks. — Ganeshk  ( talk ) 17:11, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Database reports/Blocked users in user groups


To clear from this report, what would be preferred, unblocking the bot, or removing the flag? – xeno talk 01:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Unblocked. Kaldari (talk) 03:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Bzzt
Take note, pardner. Meetup/San Francisco/Edit-a-thon -Pete (talk) 00:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Email contact
Hi Kaldari! Feminist Economics would love to provide you a short-term subscription to their journal to aid in your contributions to Wikipedia, based on your application. If you could please send me the email address you would like to tie to your description, that would be fantastic. Please pass it along to: jwild@undefinedwikimedia.org Jwild (talk) 01:38, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

History of feminism and vandalism
Thank you for thanking me. That was the first time I've gone through articles to clean up vandalism - the user seems to have gone through several making edits that were along the same lines. Please keep an eye out for any similar photos or information that the user might come back and add to women's rights-oriented articles. OttawaAC (talk) 23:05, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Pregnancy
An IP has removed content about "context" including many comments that support the change of the image and I believe protests the deletion of the quote. I have to admit, I feel really uncomfortable undoing the changes out of retaliation of the IP user. :( Just wanted to let you know. Talk:Pregnancy --SarahStierch (talk) 04:23, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 September newsletter
We are on this year's home straight, with less than a month to go until the winner of the 2011 WikiCup will be decided. The fight for first place is currently being contested by, and , all of whom have over 200 points. This round has already seen multiple featured articles (1991 Atlantic hurricane season from Hurricanehink and Northrop YF-23 from Sp33dyphil) and a double-scoring featured list (Miyagawa's 1948 Summer Olympics medal table). The scores will likely increase far further before the end of the round on October 31 as everyone ups their pace. There is not much more to say- thoughts about next year's competition are welcome on the WikiCup talk page or the scoring talk page, and signups will open once a few things have been sorted out.

If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 12:41, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Kelly Wearstler
Hi Kaldari! I have seen that you have contributed to the article about designer Kelly Wearstler. I wanted to let you know that I have started a conversation about the use of the 2008 Domino magazine cover in the article. It was removed under non-free content criteria reason #8 (that it has no contextual significance) and perhaps you'd like to comment on the talk page. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia! SarahStierch (talk) 13:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Mentoring
Hi Kaldari: Thank you so much for being my mentor. What would you suggest that I help with? Kristen46 (talk • contribs)

Hi Kaldari: I was wondering if you would be a mentor for a class project I am doing. I would like to edit, enhance, and do research on your WikiFem project. Please do this for me.

Kristen46 19:12, 25 September 2011 (UTC)Kristen46Kristen46 19:12, 25 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristen46 (talk • contribs)

Have a cupcake!

 * Now in audio format on-Wiki! (Thanks to Sarah.)LoriLee (talk) 23:20, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:RefToolbarLegacy.js
I use reftoolbar 1.0 and have now installed Alan Liefting (talk) - 18:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki:RefToolbarLegacy.js
I use reftoolbar 1.0 and have now installed MediaWiki:RefToolbarLegacy.js instead of one of Mr Z-mans. I still cannot get ISBN numbers to autofill the fields. Help??!! -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 18:36, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Concerns about men's rights
Hi Kaldari. In case you haven't been following the Men's rights article; it has recently had a group of what appear to be men's rights activists visiting the talk page and making edits to the article, despite the efforts of a team of people from all sides to improve the article. A user named Jayhammers, who is a men's rights advocate, just called Kevin a bigot: "Even though you helped to thoroughly deface this page, I don't feel like expending the effort to correct your vandalism when I know most Wikipedia editors are bigots just like you," and in stating that, is calling "us" bigots (on a broad level). That's not a word people use lightly. I'm starting to fear the civil nature of this talk page. A few days ago myself and Kevin took it upon ourselves to clean up the talk page from soapboxing and personal attacks. I'm afraid of what could happen on this talk page, and this user, Jayhammers, has declared he isn't afraid of being blocked and that the bigots "like you" are trying to push an agenda. It'd be great to have an admin like yourself, who is knowledgeable about the subject, to take a look. Thanks a lot, -SarahStierch (talk) 21:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * p.s. Men's rights movement enjoy. Check out the history. /facepalm. SarahStierch (talk) 00:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

RE: Domestic violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Domestic_violence&action=historysubmit&diff=456105054&oldid=456078889

Interesting that removing stats from the lead only applies to the statistics you don't like.. is 1% not stat? And a certainly bogus one it is, even the NVWS which has its problems put that one twenty five times higher. extransit (talk) 01:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Dispute resolution opened by Hermiod against Kgorman-ucb about men's rights
I noticed User:Hermiod didn't share this with you, but, since you're involved on the talk page and editing men's rights you should have been: Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Men's Rights". Thank you. --SarahStierch (talk) 13:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Moving Burma to Myanmar - ongoing poll
This is to let you know that an ongoing poll is taking place to move Burma to Myanmar. This note is going out to wikipedia members who have participated in Burma/Myanmar name changing polls in the past. It does not include banned members nor those with only ip addresses. Thank you. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:05, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Men's movement
Do you think this should be merged into Men's rights? Or will that be dependent on the requested move? –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 18:22, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Portia schultzi
Heya Kaldari,

I'm reviewing this for GA and was trying to find some good pictures of P. schultzi on the interwebs, because Commons is lacking. Sadly, the really good ones on Flickr are copyrighted and watermarked (blerg), but I found these two. Are they P. schultzi? If not, do you happen to have family photos of your pet spiders that would do the trick? :)

Also, since I don't know much about the subject, it would be awesome if you could glance over the refs and weigh in on what's missing or needs improvement. No pressure, though. Thanks, and seeya tomorrow! Accedie talk to me  16:44, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Block of Malleus
Can you please reconsider your block? I don't think it was merited. Civility blocks rarely accomplish anything, the AN/I discussion was against it, and you only seem to have blocked one participant. Please rethink. Thank you. --John (talk) 03:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed. This block seems ill-considered and would best be removed. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I noticed you said you were not into feeding drama, but by making this ill-considered and one-sided block then disappearing, this was the effect your action had. Please wait for a consensus at AN/I next time. --John (talk) 04:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Kaldari has not contested the un-block, and I believe the discussions on ANI and MF's page provide arguments against the block. It's not clear that further posting here will help.  Kiefer .Wolfowitz 04:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, Kaldari, good to see you again.This and this occurred just a month ago. Do you know why he called me "dickhead" over and over? Merely because I awarded Dank with a star and not him. He felt insulted that I had not noticed that my FAC had been promoted because of him (or so he believes that it was promoted because of him). This guy is all tough because he is safe behind a computer screen and believes he can treat everyone like s%&#$%. He should have been blocked for a far longer time. You can't feel intimidated by his friends. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 13:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it might have more to do with the fact that you took entirely objective review comments personally. I've worked on several articles with Malleus and I've never known him to covet barnstars. Parrot of Doom 17:21, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * See my award to Dank here, then Malleus Fatuorum's response here, then Dank's own response here and lastly Malleus' reply here. You may see what I wrote him here and how he became angry because I did not aknowledge his greatness and how ungrateful I was to not realize that I owned my FAC promotion to him here. My reply here and his here. I was never, ever, rude to him. You may excuse his behavior as may times you wish. It's your right. But don't ask me to do the same. --Lecen (talk) 18:18, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Convenient that you didn't just mention this post, referring to an FAC in which Malleus is critical only of the article you're involved with, and not you. Your links in that post demonstrate quite nicely how wrong you were.  You took the wrong end of the stick and got all offended when the person who helped your article through FAC was rightly annoyed. Parrot of Doom 18:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Malleus is entitled to be annoyed. He is not entitled to called people dickheads because he is annoyed. Kaldari (talk) 18:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * He's entitled to use whatever language he deems acceptable. I can see now why he called you a dickhead. Parrot of Doom 18:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How mature. --Lecen (talk) 19:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, another hypocritical civility warrior. Why am I not surprised. Parrot of Doom 19:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * An edit 5 days prior is no reason to block today. I take it from your lack of ability to give a valid block reason that you are ready to apologies for your extremely inappropriate block. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 00:11, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * To whom? Malleus Factuorum? You've got to be kidding. He insults everybody and does not have to say a single "I'm sorry" and Kaldari is supposed to apologize? Malleus' friends have a weird double standard. --Lecen (talk) 00:15, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Kaldari has already acknowledged the community consensus. Kaldari is a strong and principled editor, and thicker skinned than even myself (!), but cannot we let this go now, or at least reduce the level of hostility, a bit.
 * Kaldari has often been the lead editor stopping some unfortunate behavior, which need not be linked here. A human administrator who is usually right  and whose informal authority and earned respect have sufficed to establish peace many times, without blocks, should be given some slack.  Kiefer .Wolfowitz 00:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

My sympathies. Been down this road myself.-- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:15, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Hang in there, Kaldari. You made this block in good faith and with reasonable justification (whether people agree or disagree that the behavior warranted blocking, there certainly WAS bad behavior going on and previous warnings HAD been issued), and it pains me to see how viciously people are attacking you for daring to block someone they think ought not to have been blocked. The fact that blocking an editor for attacking another often earns the blocking admin abuse is a bug, not a feature, of this community. I wonder if we can file a bugzilla for "lots of wikipedians are kind of jerky a lot of the time"... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fluffernutter (talk • contribs) 18:17, 26 October 2011 (UTC) You know, I previewed this three times and somehow managed to miss that I'd forgotten to sign. Herp derp, I'm brilliant. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 18:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * So why weren't both editors blocked? Or neither?  Administrators aren't police officers, although I suspect it's easier to get an incompetent police officer removed from his position. Parrot of Doom 18:57, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Read the Blocking policy. Kaldari (talk) 19:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Your veiled insult and threat to Kaldari was uncalled for, Parrot of Doom. --Lecen (talk) 19:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not interested in what you call for Lecen. Some of us have a rather cynical view of administrators and Kaldari's most recent post does little to assuage that.  This wasn't a block for incivility else both editors would have been blocked.  Neither was it a block for disruption, because nothing was disrupted.  No, it was a punitive block to show who's in charge - or rather, who thinks they're in charge.  That's why it was almost immediately reverted. Parrot of Doom 19:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Kaldari, re, I don't listen to anyone's friends, I do my own research. That's not February; it's October. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:59, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 October newsletter
The 2011 WikiCup is now over, and our new champion is, who joins the exclusive club of the previous winners: (2007),  (2008),  (2009) and  (2010). The final standings were as follows:



Prizes for first, second, third and fourth will be awarded, as will prizes for all those who reached the final eight. Every participant who scored in the competition will receive a ribbon of participation. In addition to the prizes based on placement, the following special prizes will be awarded based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, the prize is awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round.


 * The Featured Article Award:, for his performance in round 2. matched the score, but Casliber won the tiebreaker.
 * The Good Article Award:, for his performance in round 4.
 * The Featured List Award:, for his performance in round 4. matched the score, but Miyagawa won the tiebreaker.
 * The Recognised Topic Award (for good and featured topics):, for his performance in round 3.
 * The Did You Know Award:, for his performance in round 1.
 * The In the News Award:, for his performance in round 1.
 * The Reviewer Award (for good article reviews):, for his performance in round 3.

No prize was awarded for featured pictures, sounds or portals, as none were claimed throughout the competition. The awards will be handed out over the next few days. Congratulations to all our participants, and especially our winners; we've all had fun, and Wikipedia has benefitted massively from our content work.

Preparation for next year's WikiCup is ongoing. Interested parties are invited to sign up and participate in our straw polls. It's been a pleasure to work with you all this year, and, whoever's taking part in and running the competition in 2012, we hope to see you all in January! J Milburn and The ed17 00:42, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Arbcom case
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Arbitration/Requests and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
 * Arbitration/Requests;
 * Arbitration guide.

Thanks, Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 08:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your correction to motion 4 as only arbitrators may propose, change or vote on motions. If you would like to comment on the motion, I suggest you enter a statement. --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 17:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

subquote style proposal
I posted about MOS style. You probably disagree with my preference, so I invite your response there. Nick Levinson (talk) 09:09, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit notice
Could you please create an edit notice for Pizza in the United States?

Please put this notice on the page:

here: Template:Editnotices/Page/Pizza in the United States

TYVM, Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 18:05, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Pregnancy
You're right. It IS a tedious discussion. Those pushing the conservative line are trying to win by attrition. Obviously they don't have lives. I wish Wikipedia had better ways of managing such unethical behaviour, but it doesn't. So, nothing else is working. I just reckon a little sarcasm could go a long way. HiLo48 (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Administrator recall
Are you open to an administrator recall discussion? What are your criteria for a good faith request? Thanks, Geometry guy 02:20, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I find the above comment grossly inappropiate. RFA Guy (talk) 19:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is not a comment, but a question: two questions, in fact. Who are you to find it inappropriate? Geometry guy 21:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In general, recall is a bad idea when an administrator is taking unpopular but warranted action, for the same reasons that judges often have life terms (subject to impeachment, etc.).
 * I believe in only a handful of cases, Kaldari has used administrative powers in ways that have not enjoyed community support; in such cases, Kaldari has acquiesced to the community's consensus with much less belly-aching than usual---in fact, Kaldari's comments are usually limited to clarifications (a week or so later, when people are calmer).
 * Given this context, I believe that Kaldari's time should not go into writing a statement of a recall procedure.
 * Kiefer .Wolfowitz 12:02, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Kaldari is more than capable of deciding their own whether or not to be open to a a process that over 200 other administrators are open to.--Cube lurker (talk) 19:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And of disavowing my modest support without your help? (No doubt 200 administrators have the antibody for a herpes virus: So what?) Kiefer .Wolfowitz 22:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What does being "open to an administrator recall discussion" mean? If this is regarding the block of Malleus, you can read the explanation for the block here. Kaldari (talk) 01:14, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * See WP:AOR. The question is not about any specific action, but about personal integrity. Geometry guy 01:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh? Did I violate some code of ethics or something? What is this about (specifically)? Kaldari (talk) 01:33, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a bunch of crap, Kaldari. Ignore it. Doc   talk  01:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Forget the TPS and the SPA. I am simply asking a question. Think about the question. Think about accountability. Decide on your position. Articulate it, and stand by it. Geometry guy 01:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm the TPS - not sure what SPA has to do with this, really. If you want to start an Administrator recall discussion, are you asking for their permission or something? This thread can be read that you are possibly intending to open such a discussion on your own, with the first question. The second question... I don't even know where to begin. Doc   talk  01:49, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No I am not intending to open a recall discussion. I am only seeking to clarify Kaldari's position. Geometry guy 02:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * On whether they should become open to recall now? Why should they consider this if it's not related to... oh, I don't know, some recent "dramatic" event? The last admin I saw get "recalled" got thrown under a bus because of a mildly unpopular decision. Kaldari earned adminship fair and square. Don't even consider it, IMHO. Doc   talk  02:05, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually my query was prompted by a minor, undramatic and more recent event; however it is not "about" that. To those seek to be our guards and patrollers, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes is always a valid and honorable question, and one to which the community is entitled to an answer. Geometry guy 12:34, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

The insidious ugliness of this request has only provided me with further evidence that there is a clique of "editors" that are behaving much akin to ones I fought at arbcom 5+ years ago.--MONGO 04:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Meh... Doc   talk  04:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Mongo, you really need to chill out, a bit. I respect your work and sympathize with you in your content editing, but you really have not been helping yourself or WP lately. Geometry guy is an independent thinker, who often agrees with but sometimes firmly disagrees with MF. The same applies to others on MF's talk page.  Kiefer .Wolfowitz 10:15, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You are entitled to your opinion.--MONGO 11:54, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I find it insidious that a straightforward question is met with such hostility. I do indeed belong to a clique, but its influence derives from the fact that it is motivated by integrity, and it is a clique of one. Geometry guy 12:34, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Have you stopped beating your wife? Kaldari (talk) 18:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * How about you just say "No I do not wish to be open to recall"? Seems a lot easier then sniping back and forth.--Cube lurker (talk) 18:12, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

GeometryGuy...how many other admins have you posed such a question to? In review of the diff you provided above, what seems to be so problematic about Kaldari issuing a warning in response that might have been a catalyst for you posing the recall question? As far as I know...enforcing policy here is what administrators are supposed to do...MONGO 18:30, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * More than one, and a bureaucrat as well. It is not the first time and it won't be the last. It is a test of character, like an RfA question. There is no right or wrong answer. However, it is ironic that admins - who regularly deprive other editors of all their editing tools - tend to get rather touchy and evasive at the merest suggestion that their own "hard earned" tools are not theirs by right, for life.
 * The diff above shows Kaldari policing civility in a user talk discussion where he was not involved. As you point out, he's entitled to do that. As it happens, he made a mistake: the remark he sanctioned was ironic, not abusive. We all make mistakes, and no harm was done, so (as I said above) this thread is not about that diff. However, if you are going to set yourself up as civility policeman, you should have high standards of courtesy yourself, and take care to assume good faith and respect other editors. The diff suggested to me that Kaldari is in the habit of getting involved in civility issues without careful consideration of context. This prompted the recall question. So how civil a response did it elicit?
 * First of all, a single purpose account was created to describe my straightforward question as "grossly inappropriate". Who did that? If it wasn't Kaldari, who was it, and why didn't Kaldari remove it? There was nothing "grossly inappropriate" about the question, nor was it "insidious". I have been perfectly polite, yet am here maligned and accused of belonging to a clique of destructive editors. Where are the civility police now? Instead, Kaldari regards my question as akin to "Have you stopped beating your wife?", a question which explicitly accuses someone of being a violent and abusive husband. I have made no such accusation.
 * Thanks to Cube lurker for adding some common sense to the discussion. I've learned what I wanted to know. Kaldari is evidently not open to recall and seeks to evade the question. Civility, courtesy and respect for other editors are only truly tested in an uncomfortable situation. Here they appear to have been abandoned at the slightest discomfort. My hope, given the positive character reference from KW, is that Kaldari will learn something from this. It is easy to criticize others for incivility when you are watching from the sidelines, much less easy to maintain your integrity when you are the subject. Geometry guy 21:21, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Kaldari is not the operator of this account. I'm shocked he has not replied to that "SPA" thing you are accusing him of. You can say this is an SPA if you like, but Kaldari is not the operator of this account. I have been following some drama of this situation or situations like this in the recent past and thought I'd respond but without revealing my IP. Back to the SPA thing, the name of this account is RFA guy, if Kaldari were to create an alt account for this matter, why would he name it RFA Guy? Finally, if Kaldari does not want me posting here he is able to remove these posts from me. Thank you. RFA Guy (talk) 05:51, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this: for further discussion, see User talk:RFA Guy. Geometry guy 02:08, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I left Seb a warning because Malleus was saying it was a double standard that I was trying to enforce civility on his comments but Seb was being uncivil and no one cared (citing the exact comment I warned Seb for). So if I enforce civility uniformly I'm accused of over-reacting, but if I enforce civility according to common sense, I'm accused of having a double standard. Obviously this has just become a game for you guys. I'm done playing. Please find something better to do. Kaldari (talk) 00:02, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You'd have to read the stuff they wrote to each other in quote a nuanced way to understand how to enforce this policy productively in a case like this. I think your comment "if I enforce civility uniformly I'm accused of over-reacting" is worth analyzing further; being fair doesn't always equate to treating everyone "uniformly"; if it was that easy we could get bots to do it. Civility is a minefield, and has to be approached as such. I'm disappointed in several of the responses above, as it seems to have spiraled from a polite inquiry into defensiveness very quickly. Here's a tip; when neutral observers like GG are asking what's the matter, something is indeed the matter. Please try to act on it. --John (talk) 00:16, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If there is indeed something wrong, I would love to address it. But all GG says is that the problem is my "personal integrity". If you guys are just here to discuss my integrity, I'd appreciate it if you find something more useful to do. If you have an actual concern, I'm certainly willing to listen. Kaldari (talk) 00:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The first sentence ("I left Seb a warning because...") explains a lot: you sought to establish your neutrality by enforcing civility against an editor apparently opposed to Malleus. In doing so you made a mistake (Seb was not being "uncivil"). Please learn from this. Situations can be more complicated than you might at first believe. It is not a game, it is all about integrity and truly believing that every post you make improves the encyclopedia. I wish you all the best and happy editing. Geometry guy 00:31, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no idea if Seb is opposed to Malleus or best friends with him. A complaint was made about his comment, it appeared uncivil (as it still does), so I left him a polite note reminding him to be civil. I don't see what the mistake is. If you can explain it, I'm happy to make amends. Also, I vehemently agree with your statement that "Situations can be more complicated than you might at first believe". Despite the fact that everyone on Wikipedia thinks that I blocked Malleus for calling someone an "arse", that is not at all what happened (as I have explained elsewhere). The block was due to Malleus's ongoing harassment of Nick Levinson as well as his repeated insults towards Tbhotch. He had attacked them both repeatedly (in Nick's case without any reciprocal incivility) and had continued his attacks after being warned. I could care less if people use the word "arse", but repeatedly insulting other editors is a clear violation of policy and a blockable offense. If you want to call me the civility police for that, go right ahead. Just make sure you know the facts before getting sucked into the witchhunt. Kaldari (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think your reinvention of history is rather unbecoming; the truth would serve you better. Malleus Fatuorum 01:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to dig up all the diffs again if you like. Kaldari (talk) 01:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Here's the history. You don't have to take my word for it: Of course, now I'm going to be accused of violating WP:POLEMIC. Kaldari (talk) 01:40, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Malleus calls Nick a "mindless zealot".
 * 2) I remove Malleus's insult from the page.
 * 3) Parrot of Doom restores the insult.
 * 4) Since my effort to resolve the situation quietly was thwarted, I give Malleus a polite warning about personal attacks instead.
 * 5) Malleus calls Nick an idiot.
 * 6) Malleus calls Nick a pain in the ass.
 * 7) Malleus calls Tbhotch ignorant.
 * 8) Malleus calls Tbhotch an ignorant arse.
 * 9) Tbhotch removes part of the above attack.
 * 10) Malleus restores it.
 * 11) John removes part of the attack.
 * 12) Malleus restores it again.


 * Some context is required here, and for anyone interested Kaldari is referring to the long-term disruption caused by User:Nick Levinson at this article, which he has signally failed to deal with because of the foundation's misguided stance on gender equality, preferring instead to focus on naughty words. Malleus Fatuorum
 * I don't deny that Nick was being difficult. That's why I suggested that you seek dispute resolution. I've had prolonged disputes with Nick myself, so I know it can be frustrating. Resorting to insults doesn't help though. Kaldari (talk) 02:02, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * But Wikipedia has no effective way of dealing with content disputes, so the recognised tactic is to frustrate your opponent into offering a few naughty words and thus having him blocked by administrators like you. Which is doubly easy if your opponent is unpopular with some of the more vociferous of the contributors to ANI. Malleus Fatuorum 02:28, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "But Wikipedia has no effective way of dealing with content disputes". This is a very salient point, and one I would like to discuss further at some point. I think your frustrations are legitimate, and I think they should be addressed at a systemic level. Kaldari (talk) 03:07, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I hope not, but none of this is relevant to my concerns. Geometry guy 01:45, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What are your concerns? If I've made any mistakes, please let me know specifically what I did wrong so that I can address it. Asking if I'm willing to be put on trial is a loaded question, especially considering the current circumstances. Feel free to talk to me about recall discussions when I'm not being actively pilloried. Kaldari (talk) 01:49, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Badgering are the concerns...it's this kind of group think that has caused so much strife on this website...you made an overdue block on Malleus...his pals didn't like that, so they think since you're a threat, you need to be made to feel leery....or shucks, intimidated(?)...I mean, really. Recall? That is absolutely ridiculous...and the suggestion by one of Malleus's buddies makes it surely insidious. Oh, but I'm to think he's on the up and up since he called Malleus an "arse"...Kaldari, if you wish, I can hat this nonsense away...as this is just a dramafest and not worthy of even being considered.--MONGO 02:57, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That's OK. Just leave it be for now. Hopefully this discussion is winding down anyway. Kaldari (talk) 03:07, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You continue to condone personal attacks and incivility on your own talk page. Consider your moral compass and stick to it. Geometry guy 05:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I do think it's rather shameful Kaldari that you continue to provide MONGO with a platform to continue with his personal attacks, which you claim to be against when uttered by others. As it appears that you have wandered into this issue with MONGO in complete ignorance of the facts, let me draw your attention to this GA reassessment of the 9/11 article, which is the root of MONGO's vendetta against me. As I said, Wikipedia has no effective process to deal with content disputes, and clearly neither does it have an honest process of dealing with so-called civility issues, as you have so amply demonstrated. Malleus Fatuorum 05:36, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * IF I had a vendetta against you Malleus, (as I have mentioned elsewhere) I'd already have filed Requests for Arbitration/Malleus Fatuorum....notice the redlined link...are we ready to hat this yet, Kaldari?--MONGO 06:17, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
I think your timeline's a bit messed up there. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:34, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

What are you trying to hide?
I find this kind of thing highly suspcious. Malleus Fatuorum 02:42, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I was just trying to end a pointless argument. Kaldari (talk) 02:50, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Or to hide one that you think is pointless, but may be embarrassing to you? Malleus Fatuorum 02:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Malleus, enough already, okay? Please?--MONGO 03:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * (ec) Let's drop it shall we. In case it may have been the issue, the previous post was by myself, linking to User talk:RFA Guy. Geometry guy 03:05, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I won't be dropping it. Apologies after a bad block just isn't good enough. There are too many bad blocks, and they stick in the block log. Malleus Fatuorum 03:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So what is your plan then? If you keep badgering Kaldari somebody will just end up blocking you again...if you file an arbcom case your name will be on it too...best walk away.--MONGO 03:18, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no plan, just a deep-rooted feeling of resentment. Malleus Fatuorum 03:20, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, not everyone thinks it was bad call, but Kaldari has stated she shouldn't have blocked you but should have instead filed an RFCU...that would have been worse than the block since it would have been a dramafest that led straight to arbcom...--MONGO 03:36, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Like this one do you mean? Kaldari hasn't got a leg to stand on. Malleus Fatuorum 04:19, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * "I have no plan, just a deep-rooted feeling of resentment". What kind of sick comment is this? Don't you have a life? A girlfriend? A job? Anything? Who do you think you are to stay here harassing Kaldari all the time? Do something useful on Wikipedia instead of bothering other people. I don't know, like trying to be polite. This would be a good start. --Lecen (talk) 07:32, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Article of the Month idea
OK, I've officially given up on the Jimbo approach. Its impossible to get through to him.. How do we make progress with this and introduce such a scheme. I just really dislike having ideas which I know will better wikipedia dismissed in this way without even a trial. Do the foundation really care about promoting article development? If so, why aren;t they doing anything to implement things on english wikipedia which have been so successful on German wikipedia and which could potentially bring us hundreds more quality articles per month? ♦ Dr. Blofeld  07:51, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a response on this?♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

What I'm proposing is a 'Article of the Month competition which rewards editors for producing the best content as judged by several wiki veterans who would opt to judge them. At the same time I would propose a Core Contest of the Month competition in which editors are rewarded in the same way which would involve drawing up a list of core articles which urgently need expansion and the best article improvement within that month is rewarded. I think there needs to be a mechanism which gets more editors to come up with good content and attract new editors with some sort of exciting monthly competition. Whilst wikipedia isn't a competition, it is in human nature to be competitive and I think such a scheme would bring us far more good articles and increase our proportion of editors concentrating on content. My proposal would be to raise about $25,000 annually from one of the wiki chapters and a reward scheme of Amazon vouchers (which in turn could be used to buy books to again help wikipedia) with $500 for 1st, $250 for 2nd, $100 for 3rd, $50 for 4th, $25 for 5th. That way even if you don't win the competition there is a good chance you can be rewarded with something so I think such an incentive would definitely work to produce more good content we are looking for. I think it would also help the atmosphere of the website in focusing more on content and working on what is important. I am very keen on this as I am convinced it would work but I don't stand a chance with trying to get anywhere with it as I lack "status" on wikipedia. As far as I'm aware this has never been publicised so I couldn't say whether there would be support for it or not. But I strongly feel we need to start offering incentives (even if something of esteem and not monetary) to get people to produce more goods and make the website a little more exciting/enticing where real hard work is acknowledged and rewarded. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:25, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Somehow we need to conjure up mass support for it...♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:37, 24 November 2011 (UTC)