User talk:Kaldari/Archive 12

Sarek's talk page

 * "For the record, User:Mkativerata was directly involved in the discussion that led to the block" WTF this is complete bullshit. Have you seen the timestamps? After I decided not to block Malleus I decided also to resolve the conflict, which is what good admins do, and Tbhotch appreciated it (see his note at ANI). Your suggestion that I am a "friend" of Malleus who showed up at ANI first is equally bullshit. For example, I believe I have never once posted on Malleus' talk page or, before the block, interacted directly with him. This is rank dishonesty. As is your slander of me on other talk pages without letting me know. --Mkativerata (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right. It didn't occur to me that you would have become involved in the discussion due to the AN/I thread. I should have compared the timestamps before jumping to conclusions. My apologies. Kaldari (talk) 17:42, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, I can accept that. I find it very hard to stomach the implication that I was acting in an administrative capacity as a "friend" of Malleus', but perhaps in the interests of letting this matter die (as Arbcom seems to want to do as well) we can leave it at that. Thanks for your response. --Mkativerata (talk) 18:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!!!
Thanks for catching the issue! I was gobsmacked! (American but the only word that comes to mind at the time.--CaroleHenson (talk) 07:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks from me too. I spotted the broken link, but I wasn't quite fast enough to insert the missing bracket before you did.

And yes, I'm downright obsessive about previewing edits, but I must have dismissed the notice at some point (and therefore didn't see it until it briefly flashed on my watchlist). I viewed the diff and should have spotted the error there (and I also should deleted my cookie to enable a proper preview).

Thanks again for cleaning up after me. —David Levy 06:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Just in case you missed it. NW ( Talk ) 16:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

MF
I have just left a message on SarekOfVulcan's talk page and saw an old acquaintances signature. It you did not see it before, I think you might be interested in this posting Arbitration/Requests/Case. -- PBS (talk) 21:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Uncivil comments at Talk:Pregnancy
I thought you might be interested in the subsequent comments of an editor whose behavior you had previously commented upon on the above page, the subsequent additions to that individual's talk page, and maybe User talk:John Carter. I think, maybe, we might benefit from the input of perhaps a broader selection of editors regarding this conduct? John Carter (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Seriously
Why are you still diving into discussions without looking for context. Are you trying to wind me up or simply aiming to establish your incompetence so that you will be relieved of your administrative duties? I am truly baffled. Geometry guy 22:30, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've read the entire discussion and am completely aware of the context. I don't see how MONGO calling Malleus a bigot is going to lead to productive collaboration. Perhaps you could explain to me how calling someone a bigot is actually a good encyclopedia-building process. I would also encourage you to reread NPA, especially the nutshell: "Comment on the content, not on the contributor." Kaldari (talk) 22:45, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Which discussions have you read? This was discussed on Malleus's talk page, at ANI, and on MONGO's talk page immediately above your post. How is starting a new thread on his talk page a good encyclopedia-building process? What are you hoping to achieve? Geometry guy 22:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The only thing I'm hoping to achieve is reminding MONGO to comment on content, not contributors, per an email conversation we had recently about civility and personal attacks. (So ironically, you're the one who is not aware of the context.) Strange that no one ever complains when I remind people about policies like WP:NPOV and WP:OR. Do you disagree with the WP:NPA policy? If not, what is your recommended course of action when someone is blatantly disregarding it? Kaldari (talk) 23:10, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * (ec) If you are in email contact, then why the additional post on his talk page? Why stir up complicated waters with your own oar? Is it so that you can say he was "warned" in a month's time and block him for a calling Malleus another name? Do you think other editors and administrators have been too lenient on MONGO? If so, why not discuss it at ANI? Geometry guy 23:21, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If you think I'm going to block anyone for the next year or so, you must think I'm a total masochist. Also, I don't understand your suggestion to complain at AN/I. Wouldn't that cause more drama, not less? I have no idea whether other administrators have been lenient or strict with MONGO, but I'm perfectly capable of using my own judgement. Perhaps sending a personal email would have been more discrete, so I'll consider that next time. If you have any other suggestions (besides just ignoring the policy), I'm open to advice. Kaldari (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Kaldari is exactly right and doing the correct admin thing. I am not going to dispute that and need no defense. My calling Malleus a bigot was a mistake.--MONGO 23:13, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Good work both, I'm impressed. Now let us get back to writing an encyclopedia. Geometry guy 23:31, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed :) Kaldari (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You asked for my advice, so here it is. First of all, plan well in advance. Then get into the roles you want to play. Live your lives as those characters (it is called "method acting" in the trade). Then once you go live, build the suspense slowly. Don't drop the audience into the middle of a conflict. Let them relate to the characters and the issues they face. Then, when they are truly enraptured by the characters, deliver the punchline.
 * That is my advice. If I were a casting director, then right now, I would not hire either of you. Geometry guy 00:00, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * (uninvited drive-by) Now who is building drama? --Senra (Talk) 00:08, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL. I guess if we're going to do drama, we should at least do it correctly :) I just hope this play is more George Kaufman and less Eugene O'Neill. Kaldari (talk) 00:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! When are you coming back out to SF? We should actually hang out next time. Kaldari (talk) 06:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Whenever I'm summoned again. Let me know if you're back in Tennessee, that's an easier trip.  Keegan (talk) 06:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion?
Hi. I'm trying to get a feel for what the problem is, if any, with our use of controversial images. If you think there is a problem, would you mind summarising for me what you think it is here? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 10:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Kaldari, have a look at the pictures (Bettie Page) and the discussion (Talk:Bettie Page). Editors sticking it to The Man. Some people are just too badass to exercise editorial judgement. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 23:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Kelly Wearstler
I don't know if you saw my response at Sarah's talk page. Most of her edits were after my involvement in the article. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kellywearstler. Presuming that that really was Kelly Wearstler (and I believe she contacted OTRS over this issue), that was clearly an effort to make the article promote her business. The discussion here, where Scott MacDonald described including her measurements in the article as "harmful", is an abuse of the BLP policy. We can argue about weighting, but describing the inclusion of a Playmate's measurements as "harmful" is ludicrous. What "harm" could possibly come to Kelly Wearstler as a result of including information readily found on her Playmate datasheet? And, if one truly embraces NPOV, in what way is being an interior designer more significant than being a Playmate? While I agree that I hold interior designers in higher esteem than nude models, that isn't an appropriate position for an encyclopedia to take.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:44, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for adding the fair use rationale to my photo of Judy Chicago's The Dinner Party. I've never posted a photo to Wikipedia before and still do not know all parts of the process, so thanks for filling things in. --Arthistorygrrl (talk) 01:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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Cite tools
Hi, I saw you created RefToolbarMessages. Does it the same toolbar that contains cite templates and several dialogue boxes including cite web, cite news, cite book, cite journal? We want to have this toolbar in our Wikipedia, but I don't know from where should I begin? May you please guide me what should I do to add this toolbar in our Wikipedia? Thanks ● Mehran Debate● 16:34, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

P.S.: I followed the steps that have been written here. All the mediawiki pages which have been considered here (such as MediaWiki:Gadget-refToolbarBase.js or MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js, etc.) was copied (and translated) in our wiki, and I changed the 'en' to 'fa' here and then added the gadget to gadgets list, but unfortunately no changes was happened. When I click in the Cite Templates combo box, it doesn't show any dialogue boxes and just add a template to the edit box. May you please help me with this problem and tell me what should I do to fix that? Thanks ● Mehran Debate● 20:02, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll try to take a look on Monday. Kaldari (talk) 22:43, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much ● Mehran Debate● 05:42, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to remind you. Excuse me for any inconvenience caused. ● Mehran Debate● 19:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Mehran, sorry about the delay. I still haven't had a chance to look into this. Things are very busy right now due to the fundraiser, but I should have a chance to look into it soon. Kaldari 00:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I'll be happy if I know you'll do that soon, it doesn't matter how long does it take! Just please remember this discussion and add it to your tasks list. Thanks again ● Mehran Debate● 05:04, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

WT:RFA
Two things: I don't really have too terribly strong of an opinion about this, but what do you think? Hi 8 7 8  (Come shout at me!) 01:26, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) If you are going to remove sexist remarks, why are you leaving most of them there?
 * 2) Would you accept having it redacted as it is here? If anything is going to be redacted, I think that this way would be better, simply so that people can still see what the discussion is about.
 * I'm fine with using the redaction template, but apparently MZ isn't. Perhaps you could ask Malleus to change "cunt" to "fuckwad" or "shithead" :) Somehow, I doubt he would oblige though. Kaldari (talk) 01:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll put in the templates; we'll see what happens. It's amazing what this has all turned into; doesn't everyone have anything better to freak out about? :)  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 01:42, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Nice job!!
On the Chippewa :) SarahStierch (talk) 06:50, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Again trouble!
Hi, Please take a look at my talk page. Thanks ● Mehran Debate● 19:14, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

request hot articles for Project Elements
Kaldari,

Could you please make a hot articles template/tool etc for WikiProject Elements? We could really use it (not a trivial request).

TCO (talk) 18:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

P.s. I am tool/bot/template stupid so if my request is not in right syntax, please hold my hand and help me! -TCO


 * THANKS! P.s.  If it is not too "Oliver Twist asking for more gruel", could you bump it up to 10 articles displayed?  TCO (talk) 23:13, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you again. Fits perfect on our page and really helps out a need.  P.s. See what I just put in Commons?  :)  That took work...TCO (talk) 23:53, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Core biographies
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Merci de ta gentillesse
--Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève  (talk) 20:41, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hot articles
Hi Kaldari, when do you think the HotArticlesBot will start accepting larger WikiProjects? I've just added WikiProject Mammals but I know it has over 4000 articles so I understand it will be deferred. Cheers, Jack (talk) 14:53, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Courtesy notice
Just to let you know you've been mentioned here. Salvio Let's talk about it! 18:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * On an unrelated matter: this was quite inappropriate. It is considered impolite to edit other people's comments without permission. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 19:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's also impolite to create complete falsehoods about people. Kaldari (talk) 19:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Then reply to the allegations, but do not edit other people's comments. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 19:40, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Infobox color
I had the same thought today. However that color was chosen by the visual arts project by consensus. A lighter blue was our second choice...Modernist (talk) 04:06, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I prefer a color like this - #BCD4E6, less pale violet...Modernist (talk) 04:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Kaldari, Thanks for your message. I would prefer a lighter blue like this #76A8FF or this #BCD4E6 as our default infobox color and (as I mentioned I agree that the previous blue was hard to read with black type) I would change the color but the page is locked, can you please make the change? From what I can tell the level of protection there was raised in June 2011 to 'only sysop' for some reason; it should probably be auto confirmed users as it used to be; Thank you...Modernist (talk) 12:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Request for evidence at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement/Evidence
As you blocked Malleus in 2011, would you please respond to Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement/Evidence. Thank you. Dougweller (talk) 09:09, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/Civility enforcement/Evidence/Blocks
In the course of an ongoing case, the Arbitration Committee has decided to collect all relevant information regarding Malleus Fatuorum's block log and, as such, has created a table of all blocks, which can be found here. Since you either blocked or unblocked Malleus Fatuorum, you are welcome to comment, if you wish. Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Clarification of your evidence
Is it your intention to add to your evidence that you issued the warning to Tbhotch only after it having being pointed out to you that you had acted unilaterally? It may look better for you if you add it yourself, but otherwise I will add it. Malleus Fatuorum 19:14, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no time requirement for issuing warnings. Kaldari (talk) 19:15, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not talking about time, talking about uneven treatment. So shall I take that as a "No" then? Malleus Fatuorum 19:17, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see how that is relevant. As soon as it was brought to my attention that Tbhotch called you "narrow-minded" I warned him. Before that, I only saw that he called you "Mr. Know It All" which I wouldn't consider a personal attack. Kaldari (talk) 19:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ironically, I was also criticized (by The Bushranger) for warning Tbhotch. Kaldari (talk) 19:29, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You should look at the timestamp for my warning. I warned Tbhotch within 5 minutes of Sandy mentioning it in the AN/I thread and four minutes before Sandy subsequently complained that the treatment was uneven. I just didn't mention my warning in the AN/I thread until Sandy brought it up again. Kaldari (talk) 19:34, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You said it yourself: "as soon as it was brought to my attention". In other words you didn't bother to look. Now, will you be honest enough to post the evidence? Malleus Fatuorum 19:47, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Tbhotch's personal attack was not part of the Manchester United grammar discussion that was mentioned at the beginning of the AN/I thread. It was on a separate User talk page. Kaldari (talk) 19:52, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So should I take that as a "No" then? And an admission from you that you took no trouble to investigate the issue before issuing the block? Malleus Fatuorum 22:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I fully investigated the issue as reported at AN/I. The thread did not mention Tbhotch's "narrow-minded" jibe (which was off on another page) until Sandy brought it up. Obviously, I'm not omniscient. Kaldari (talk) 23:41, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Obviously not, but you could at least try to be honest and add to your evidence that you did not issue your warning to Tbhotch until his inflammatory posting was drawn to your attention. It's rather easy to check on another editor's contributions, not rocket science. Malleus Fatuorum 00:10, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship
Bonsoir Kaldari, I worked on the page National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship. One person ( erased all my work on the page by saying;  rvt to last known good version. The new text is poorly written, non-neutral, and not very accurate . I have just answered this on his talk page...Your intervention is incomprehensible . You have eliminate all my work without any discussion with me. I inform you that the text is in discussion on WikiProject Women's sport/Watercooler  and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Feminism. Can you maintaining to present to the group your arguments and opinions. Thanks --Cordialement féministe ♀  Cordially feminist Geneviève  (talk) 22:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC) Can you help me please Kaldari, you are administrator on English wiki Thanks so much --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève  (talk) 23:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Template:Major Leagues
Oknazevad which is one good contributer, always defends the same position. My dad Charlesquebec (died now sorry) and I had had a lively discussion in May 2011 with him. Oknazevad always defend the same positions. I tried to explain my position but Oknazevad does not seem to understand, nor even to look for a compromise with us. I believe that it's necessary now to pass in the following stage: that is open the discussion to the community in the projects WikiProject Women's sport and WikiProject Sports. Which is your opinions Kaldari. Merci de votre support. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève  (talk) 10:10, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The Major Leagues template is a frustrating situation. I've tried to persuade them to adopt some meaningful criteria, but they seem to be determined to use the completely arbitrary 15,000 figure. I'm afraid they will edit war against any changes that don't meet their threshold. Perhaps we could suggest adding a new category to the template for Women's leagues that has a threshold of 3,000. That would protect them from being deleted from the template. What is your opinion? Kaldari (talk) 20:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


 * It is a very sad situation. We have in front of us the characteristic attitude of the majority of the male supporters in North America. They have the law of the number against us. Wikipedia is only the reflection of the society. We have two choices: Persist and in proposing a compromise. The inclusion of the Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) as only acceptable Women's sport league in the big males North American leagues then in that case of compromise these sirs will have to accept less high criteria ( 15,000 figure and others $$$$$$$$$$$ «Business model»). Other solution is to part (as in a couple) then I shall ask to remove any mention of the WNBA and in the WPS in the text Major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada. We shall be then two worlds which don't speak to each other ( Je pense aux tristes exemple du Mur de Berlin ou bien la barrière de sécurité en Israël/Palestine), and don't want to know nothing about the other one. It is sad but many sportswomen in Canada are returned to this stage to the Ice Hockey (they want no more contact with the NHL). --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève  (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


 * On second thought, I give up. I leave them their template Template:Major Leagues. I am going to avoid wasting my energies with these persons. I am rather going to dedicate myself to this Template:Major women's sport leagues in North America and to this colletive page Major women's sport leagues in North America . Thank you for your support. merci de tout ton support. --Cordialement féministe ♀  Cordially feminist Geneviève  (talk) 09:59, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Your input is needed on the SOPA initiative
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Talkback
(Short version is "yes please; buried under other stuff!" :-) — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 00:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 19:12, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Messages

 * As a side note since http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CongressLookup?zip=XXXXX seems to be a novel creation, it'd be prudent to run through some penetration tests before we go live tonight. I checked it up against a couple basic SQL injection tactics for good measure, but someone should really hammer the hell out of it and be sure it's hardened since the event is controversial and because this page will be displayed to so many people. —  C M B J   23:10, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Kaldari (talk) 01:58, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Steve Virgin here - many thanks for your kind words on the New Statesman article - will be doing BBC World Service in about an hour from now - as a group we#ve done well in the UK in terms of getting the message across I think. Steve Virgin (talk) 10:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note, very sweet of you to say. So glad you liked the design! All the best &mdash; PretzelsHii! 00:57, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Regex
Hi, about this (and other ones) here: most of it are redundant, it should be: --Z 00:25, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Community input required: lowering delist bar at FPC
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noprint
I see you added noprint to sidebar with collapsible lists. Wouldn't it be better to just make this show completely expanded in print? I believe this is what happens with some other templates, like hidden? Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 01:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Follow up. It looks like it doesn't show up in print anyway, since the parent template, sidebar, uses the 'vertical-navbox' class?  So, we don't need the additional noprint class as far as I can tell. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  01:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * When I use the 'print version' link in an article with this template, it doesn't show up in print, so I don't see why we need to add the noprint class. The sidebar template, which this template calls, appears to already have it.  Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  01:26, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

We can do it!
See: Template:Did you know nominations/We Can Do It! SarahStierch (talk) 16:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia takes..
Hey, We are planning the first Wikipedias takes event in Sweden (info in swedish). I would be grateful if you could give me an admin username and password here. Best regards, --ArildV (talk) 10:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Being that I co-host this event, I second Arilds request for a username and password. /Haxpett (talk) 14:04, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 January 30#Template:Persondata
Your comments are welcome at Templates for discussion/Log/2012 January 30. Fram (talk) 10:13, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

New Statesman Comments
Thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate them - I did a series of BBC Regional News interviews, BBC Five Live and BBC World service interviews as well on the topic - by the time I finished all that I was beginning to sound quite convincing and I was knackered too....Steve Virgin (talk) 13:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 January newsletter
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 * was the first to score, with his good article review of Illinois v. McArthur.
 * was also the first to score points for an article, thanks to his work on Hurricane Debby (1982)- now a good article. Tropical storms have featured heavily in the Cup, and good articles currently have a relatively fast turnaround time for reviews.
 * was the first to score points for a did you know, with Russian submarine K-114 Tula. Military history is another subject which has seen a lot of Cup activity.
 * is also the first person to successfully claim bonus points. Terminator 2: Judgment Day is now a good article, and was eligible for bonus points because the subject was covered on more than 20 other Wikipedias at the start of the competition. It is fantastic to see bonus points being claimed so early!
 * was the first to score points for an In the News entry, with Paedophryne amauensis. The lead image from the article was also used on the main page for a time, and it's certainly eye-catching!
 * was the first to score points for a featured article, and is, at the moment, the only competitor to claim for one. The article, "Halo" (Beyoncé Knowles song), was also worth double points because of its wide coverage. While this is an article that Jivesh and others have worked on for some time, it is undeniable that he has put considerable work into it this year, pushing it over the edge.

We are yet to see any featured lists, featured topics or good topics, but this is unsurprising; firstly, the nomination processes with each of these can take some time, and, secondly, it can take a considerable amount of time to work content to this level. In a similar vein, we have seen only one featured article. The requirement that content must have been worked on this year to be eligible means that we did not expect to see these at the start of the competition. No points have been claimed for featured portals or pictures, but these are not content types which are often claimed; the former has never made a big impact on the WikiCup, while the latter has not done so since 2009's competition.

A quick rules clarification before the regular notices: If you are concerned that another user is claiming points inappropriately, please contact a judge to take a look at the article. Competitors policing one another can create a bad atmosphere, and may lead to inconsistencies and mistakes. Rest assured that we, the judges, are making an effort to check submissions, but it is possible that we will miss something. On a loosely related note: If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 00:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

"Not cricket"
ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 23:00, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 23:01, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

List of women
Heya Kaldari. The idea of creating List of women was brought up here. I haven't weighed in yet, and I'm thinking about it (i.e. something I want to work on). What do you think? I'm a bit overwhelmed with the idea but it might be possible and worth the time. Thoughts? SarahStierch (talk) 01:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit War on Nashville Page
You seem to be an editor engaging in an edit war and then issuing a warning over that edit war. This is inappropriate. Take it to talk. KenThomas (talk) 07:38, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Tea from the past (and CongressLookup)


 Mistress Selina Kyle  ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉ )  has given you a cup of tea. Tea promotes WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day ever so slightly better.

Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a tea, especially if it is someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!

Spread the lovely, warm, refreshing goodness of tea by adding {{subst:wikitea}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Hi, I don't remember you but you apparently do me? lol. Did you know I was the one that made the wikiproject free speech campaign userbox? check it's history -- Mistress Selina Kyle   ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉ )  05:04, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * RE that CongressLookup thing you just posted on your userpage, have you considered maybe getting something working with OpenCongress? I found out about their site during the SOPA stuff from our forum and it's really pretty good, it's just shocking how they lay the huge amounts of money being thrown around like sweeties to fund "campaigns" down next to each other so clearly: opencongress.org/bill/112-s968/money -- Mistress Selina Kyle  ( Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉ )  07:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Do you have time for a FA review?
Hi. I noticed you've worked on FA articles in the past that relate to women's history. I nominated Birth control movement in the United States for FA status recently. The article has been through GA and PR, and scrubbed in detail. It has had one reviewer so far, but needs two more. Do you have time to review it? Any help at all would be appreciated. The article's FAC page is here. Thanks. --Noleander (talk) 01:42, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Apologies for intruding again ... just want to make sure you saw this. --Noleander (talk) 21:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Botanist
Hi, I'm raising the issue of lines around this template again and hope you will join the discussion at Template_talk:Botanist. Paul venter (talk) 18:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

DRV notice
You participated in the discussion at Administrators' noticeboard, which occured following the closure of Templates for discussion/Log/2012 January 24. Be advised that I have opened Deletion review/Log/2012 February 27.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:32, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

HAB oddness
The HotArticlesBot is updating WikiProject Cue sports/Hot articles, but it is still listing stuff from more than 7 days ago as "hot". E.g., its #2 item is Three-ball, but that article hasn't been edited in 17 days. Am I doing something wrong? The project is set for:

Project 	 		Article category 	            Articles  days   Orange threshold  Red threshold 	Status WikiProject Cue sports 	All cue sports pages minus snooker 	10 	7 	5 edits 	 10 edits 	running

Is the high article count (10) causing it to include older material to meet that number?

— SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿ ¤ þ  Contrib.  01:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 February newsletter
Round 1 is already over! The 64 highest scorers have progressed to round 2. Our highest scorer was, again thanks mostly to a swathe of good articles on The X-Files. In second place was, thanks an impressive list of did you knows about racehorses. Both scored over 400 points. Following behind with over 300 points were, , and. February also saw the competition's first featured list: List of colleges and universities in North Dakota, from. At the other end of the scale, 11 points was enough to secure a place in this round, and some contestants with 10 points made it into the round on a tiebreaker. This is higher than the 8 points that were needed last year, but lower than the 20 points required the year before. The number of points required to progress to round 3 will be significantly higher.

The remaining contestants have been split into 8 pools of 8, named A through H. Round two will finish in two months time on 28 April, when the two highest scorers in each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers, will progress to round 3. The pools were entirely random, so while some pools may end up being more competitive than others, this is by chance rather than design.

The judges would like to point out two quick rules reminders. First, any content promoted during the interim period (that is, on or after 27 February) is eligible for points in round 2. Second, any content worked on significantly this year is eligible for points if promoted in this round. On a related note, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which would otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk &bull; email) and The ed17 (talk &bull; email) 00:00, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

linking from a quotation
Sometimes I want to link one article to another but the linkable text is within a quotation, so I don't. Instead, I created an alternative method: I add a sentence mentioning the other subject and use that for a link. You deleted one instance of that. It is unorthodox and it adds bulk. I did not put it back (and I don't remember which article it was in). As far as I know, Wikipedia does not suggest this method or any other alternative. So, I'm proposing to add the method to WP:MOS. So far, while a couple of editors are apparently against not linking within quotations, one seems to accept my method as long as intraquotation links are forbidden anyway; and no one objects. If you object, please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style before it gets archived. Thanks. Nick Levinson (talk) 17:04, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Your comments at TFAR
I'm afraid there's no factual basis for your comments at Today's featured article/requests - please take a look at my reply. Prioryman (talk) 18:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Issues with the archiving bot on my talk page and Teahouse
Hi Kaldari. I'm having two issues and perhaps you can help me out, as anything "bot" is not my strongsuit. First I installed the archiving bot on my own personal talk page User_talk:SarahStierch. It hasn't archived anything and I'm not sure why. Second, I did the same to the Teahouse Q&A page, and it's also not archiving. Perhaps you have some magical insight? Thanks Kaldari. Teahouse appreciates the help (oh, and my talk page!) SarahStierch (talk) 00:59, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ignore this, the bot is up and running again! SarahStierch (talk) 18:33, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

advice on request for comment?
hi, i've come across a user who persistently edits pages by adding unsourced information and editorialising. he doesn't try to keep pages displaying his additions, but his contributions throughout wikipedia show the same behaviour over a long period. he has been asked by other editors to stop on many different articles and has been informed of the core content policies, yet he seemingly can't resist. are there any processes i can start to rectify his behaviour? Paintedxbird (talk) 08:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If multiple users have tried to address his problematic editing unsuccessfully, you may want to try an RFC/U. Kaldari (talk) 18:27, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Uh...
..indef? For an IP?Jasper Deng (talk) 06:08, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 184.22.53.247
 * I'll change it to a week :) Kaldari (talk) 06:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
 * With that, the IP's userpage has to go because it's no longer indef.Jasper Deng (talk) 06:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Response to one of your comments
My name is Juan and you recently commented that my article on the lack of college S/E women could be deleted. I feel that this is a focused, yet broad enough issue to justify its creation. If you are not too busy, may I send you an at-length proposal I submitted for my college class? I would certainly appreciate edits there. Additionally I wanted to speak about more than just women in engineering, so although the article "Women in Engineering" could use major revision, my scopes were a little broader than that.

J hernan26 (talk) 04:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)J hernan26

The Tea Leaf - Issue One - Recent news from the Teahouse
Hi! Welcome to the first edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse! You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. Sarah (talk) 16:05, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Metrics are out from week one. Week one showed that the need for Teahouse hosts to invite new editors to the Teahouse is urgent for this pilot period. It also showed that emailing new users invitations is a powerful tool, with new editors responding more to emails than to talk page templates. We also learned that the customized database reports created for the Teahouse have the highest return rate of participation by invitees. Check out the metrics here and see how you can help with inviting in our Invitation Guide.
 * A refreshed "Your hosts" page encourages experienced Wikipedians to learn about the Teahouse and participate. With community input, the Teahouse has updated the Your hosts page which details the host roles within the Teahouse pilot and the importance that hosts play in providing a friendly, special experience not always found on other welcome/help spaces on Wikipedia. It also explains how Teahouse hosts are important regarding metrics reporting during this pilot. Are you an experienced editor who wants to help out? Take a look at the new page today and start learning about the hosts tasks and how you can participate!
 * Introduce yourself and meet new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. New & experienced editors to Wikipedia can add a brief infobox about themselves and get to know one another with direct links to userpages. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, they'll surely be happy to feel the wikilove!

Bot stuff
Hi Kaldari,

Quick question for you, in deference to your bot-savvy. What's the problem with moving bots to Willow, now that Nightshade is down for the count? Misza says this might cause complications when Nightshade comes back up, but since we don't know when that will happen... curious whether you have an opinion on this. Are we all just going to have to sit and wait for Nightshade to resurrect itself? - J-Mo Talk to Me   Email Me  21:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Lead Section
Hello, Can you tell me more about what a lead section needs? Or maybe a Wikipedia page that explains this well? Thanks, Alissahart (talk) 03:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I left a reply for you on your talk page. Kaldari (talk) 03:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

GSoC
Hello, I've seen at the mw:Summer_of_Code_2012 that you will be responsible for mentoring about gadgets for Mediawiki. I've got a big script for an wiki I am bureaucrat called Desciclopédia (Portuguese Uncyclopedia), and I want to internationalize it and port it to work on any mediawiki based wiki (it has some Desciclopedia specific functions at this moment) as my GSoC project.

The script is called truthcode and is used by almost all experienced users of the wiki (an some newbies too) and got a real amount of functions such as section edition with preview, deletion help, ajax recent changes at the end of each page, configurable automatic welcome message, orphan page detection, detection of article templates that are included in user page and much more stuff.

You can see its source code at, it uses jquery and do everything asynchronous. I'll be glad if you accept it and I'm sure it will be really useful for the wiki users.

Truewww (talk) 19:37, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Truewww, I'm on vacation now, but I'll try to get back to you next week. Kaldari (talk) 20:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ok, thanks, I'll be waiting. Hope you have a nice vacation. Truewww (talk) 20:23, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Liolaemus tenuis
Thanks for posting that picture. I used to keep those lizards when I was a kid, only the petshop sold them as jeweled swifts, lava swifts and emerald swifts. I could never find them as an adult and had no idea of the latin name on them, thanks to your pic I now recognize what they were. I'm actually making a trip to Chile in 2013 after the Galapagos! Thanks again.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 23:26, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

RefToolbar for spanish Wikipedia
Hi Kaldari. Since the MW 1.19 deployment the RefTools aren't working anymore in spanish Wikipedia. I have tried to fix the issue declaring some dependencies and updating the import code but I haven't been able to track this. The Legacy and the Standard version don't show in the toolbar. The No Dialogs version does load, but it doesn't use the local config. Any ideas on this? --Locos epraix 13:57, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup, the code already checks that. But it still doesn't work. Locos epraix 18:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh thank you so much. I though the only local needed was es:MediaWiki:RefToolbarLocal.js. . --Locos epraix 01:52, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have been reading the code, and I have though of something so I other wikis wouldn't need to import MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js. Only MediaWiki:RefToolbarMessages-whatever.js and MediaWiki:RefToolbarConfig.js need to be adapted.

Do you think something like that could be applied? --Locos epraix 01:11, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There are some users complaining that that RefToolbarNoDialogs and RefToolbarLegacy are not loading the spanish locale. Also, please apply the patch above so I can load the code from enwiki. --Locos epraix 14:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Basing it on the ContentLanguage is not a good idea, as not everyone edits Wikipedia in the same language as the ContentLanguage. A better idea would be to move all the message files to one wiki (meta?) and make sure they are all included in the switch. Kaldari (talk) 14:33, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Request to help set-up a Photo Scavenger Hunt
Hello Kaldari, I wanted to ask if you can set me up with a username and password for the Wikimedia Photo Scavenger Hunt tool. I'm working with Dylan at the Walters Museum to organize a public art and historic architecture focused photo scavenger hunt from June 17 through August 11. Thanks for your help! --Eli.pousson (talk) 16:58, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

HotArticlesBot not updating
Howdy, I noticed User:HotArticlesBot seems to be only updating two of the hot articles sections for the past few days, rather than the usual 10 or so. Was this a bug or anticipated downtime? --TeaDrinker (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's all sorts of broken :( Kaldari (talk) 23:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 March newsletter
We are over half way through the second round of this year's WikiCup and things are going well! , of Pool B, is our highest overall scorer thanks to his prolific writings on television and film. In second place is Pool H's, thanks primarily to work on biological articles, especially in marine biology and herpetology. Third place goes to Pool E's, who also writes primarily on biology (including ornithology and botany) and has already submitted two featured articles this round. Of the 63 contestants remaining, 15 (just under a quarter) have over 100 points this round. However, 25 are yet to score. Please remember to update your submission pages promptly. 32 contestants, the top two from each pool and the 16 next-highest scorers, will advance to round 3.

Congratulations to, whose impressive File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg became the competition's first featured picture. Also, congratulations to, who claimed good topic points, our first contestant this year to do so, for his work on Featured topics/1982 Atlantic hurricane season. This leaves featured topics and featured portals as the only sources of points not yet utilised. However, as recent statistics from show, no source has yet been utilised this competition to the same extent it has been previously!

It has been observed that the backlogs at good article candidates are building up again. While the points for good article reviews will be remaining constant, any help that can be offered keeping the backlog down would be appreciated. On a related note, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk &bull; email) and The ed17 (talk &bull; email) 23:21, 31 March 2012 (UTC)