User talk:Kaldari/Archive 24

Citation bot at WP:AN
I started a thread at the administrator's noticeboard to try to find a way forward with this, and would welcome your participation there.  Uninvited Company 17:34, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Thread is still open. There are still issues. - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 20:22, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It's being actively worked on. It's not a trivial thing to fix so please give us a few days. Kaldari (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I know it's not trivial. :) - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 17:14, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Citation bot is now using OAuth. It's still possible to work around a block by activating Citation bot on a page, but you can no longer run Citation bot anonymously. I realize that's only half of what's needed, but it's an improvement. Kaldari (talk) 18:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, I believe blocked users can no longer activate the bot at all. --Xover (talk) 19:40, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem seems to be resolved now, thankfully. I haven't tried running the bot, but I've seen it in page histories with the operator indicated in a new field. Thanks to everyone who was involved in resolving this! - <b style="color:#44018F;">Co</b><b style="color: #003878;">rb</b><b style="color: #145073;">ie</b><b style="color: #006E0D">V</b>  ☊ ☼ 22:27, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Re: Current events
Thnak you for responding. The thing is a lot of contributors provide "general topic" subheaders to curent events anyway. For Sunday, the subheader Argentina–Brazil relations is used, and for Saturday, the subheader Terrorism in the United States is used for example. A quick search of the current events up to at least last yar will generate similar results. So I don't see why my contribution is getting singled out. 76.80.178.5 (talk) 23:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

WP:BOTN discussion regarding your bot
Hello, please see Wikipedia_talk:Bots/Requests_for_approval regarding a concern with your bot, User:InternetArchiveBot. Thank you, — xaosflux  Talk 00:30, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Mail
- Klein Muçi (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello! :) I'm sorry to bother but have you got my email? I'm starting to think it has never been sent now. - Klein Muçi (talk) 21:06, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you send it via "Email this user" or directly? Anything in particular I should search for? I get a lot of email so it may have been missed. Kaldari (talk) 14:22, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Via "Email this user". It was a long detailed email regarding WikiLove. I'm an admin at SqWiki and we need some help with it. Can I write you here about it again then? - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * For some reason, I don't see the email. What did you need help with? Kaldari (talk) 03:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In the email I asked for help creating new types at the WikiLove extension and making it possible for the templates to be substituted instead of transcluded. But now I think I've solved that part. Now I have only two small problems.


 * These templates: Template:The Left Half of the Half Barnstar, Template:The Right Half of the Half Barnstar require a user name to be added as a parameter to work properly. How do I make it possible so the user only has to write the name at the text area and the extension to take care of the formatting like the other cases?
 * The images of the type "Gostitje" (please, check the extension at SqWiki) are formatted badly on the extension. How can I fix that?


 * For convenience, here is our WikiLove page- Klein Muçi (talk) 14:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

PS: How can I use new images for the types used in WikiLove? - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC) The problem with the Gostitje images is that there isn't enough content about the item to push the Preview button down enough to clear the image. You can fix this by simply making sure that the description of the Gostitje is at least 2 lines long, or you can add a parameter like "Enter a message:". I'll look at the Half Barnstars in a little bit. Kaldari (talk) 17:19, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I was able to solve it after adding a few more descriptive words about each template. When you do write to me about the Half Barnstars, can you also tell me how can I add new images for the types created (possibly from Commons)? The ones here unfortunately, are not enough for the types we have. For the moment, just for distinction, I've been forced to use a glass of beer to represent the type where the intergovernmental organizations' barnstar templates are. And we have to add a few more types so the need for new images is big. - Klein Muçi (talk) 19:03, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * sorry for bothering but is there any chance you've found a way for the Half Barnstars to work correctly yet? Also the images problem (regarding WikiLove's types) is still relevant. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:39, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I was able to solve both problems by experimenting with the code. Thank you for having helped with the creation of WikiLove though! You've helped make every user's life a little bit happier (and easier). :P :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:13, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

How do you Reboot citation bot please
And, what command do you use? Now that we have authentifciation, when the bot is 99% down, I would like to have an API. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 15:25, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I log onto Tool Forge and run:
 * Kaldari (talk) 18:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If you have a Tool Forge account, I can make you a maintainer for the project. Kaldari (talk) 18:22, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It is down again. I do not have a tool forge account at this time.  AManWithNoPlan (talk) 14:03, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , Kaldari, maybe I can assist with this. I'm on tool forge everyday. — CYBERPOWER  (<span style="color:\#FF8C00">Around ) 01:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It is down again. I do not have a tool forge account at this time.  AManWithNoPlan (talk) 14:03, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , Kaldari, maybe I can assist with this. I'm on tool forge everyday. — CYBERPOWER  (<span style="color:\#FF8C00">Around ) 01:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Funny edit
Hello, regarding this edit: I guess you mean the Executive Office of the President of the United States is a non-event then? Wakari07 (talk) 22:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the mysterious edit. The editing instructions for the Current events portal say: "If a news item is part of a larger event, list it under a subheader consisting of a link to the larger event. Don't create subheaders linking to general topics or lists." Since Executive Office of the President of the United States isn't a "larger event", it didn't seem appropriate as a subheader. In general, most items at the current events portal shouldn't need a subheader. And yes, I realize that a lot of people don't follow the editing guidelines :P Kaldari (talk) 22:33, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your view on the editing instructions. I could argue that this Office comes and goes — also its constituent parts — so that makes an event. Being a European citizen, I thought it useful to provide context on the U.S. government organization chart. But hey. Wakari07 (talk) 21:29, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

September 2019
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Harrison, Arkansas, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Ionmars10 (talk) 23:39, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello Kaldari, I took over your suggestion on the talk page and just hope you don't accuse me of plagiarizing you ;-) Wakari07 (talk) 10:21, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
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Misericordia Health Centre
Hi, I noticed you recently deleted a chunk of text that I had added and cited on the Misericordia Health Centre article. I did not write the whole article, but added a few things such as the Infobox, recent photo of the building, archival drawing (from NewspaperArchive.com) from 1906, cited closing as Urgent Care in 2017. I did not write " the section '1998-present' text with its bullet points I did not write. Am asking that the text I added, paraphrased and cited via NewspaperArchive.com Winnipeg Free Press about the early years (early 20th century) of the Centre be re-added:

Winnipeg Maternity Hospital (1900-1917)

The Misericordia Sisters soon realized there was an increasing need from the community and in 1900 they moved to two and a half acres of land between Sherbrook and Maryland streets to establish the Winnipeg Maternity Hospital.

A few years later, in December 1906, a three-storey, $145,000 T-shaped addition, designed by architects Senecal & Smith was added. The basement level was reserved for separate dining areas for priests, nurses and patients. The first floor held a reception area and storage, as well as an office for the sister superior. The second floor had a living room with a balcony for the sisters. The addition opened in September 1907.

In 1916 the Sisters open the Misericordia School of Nursing; graduates were well respected and highly sought after, primarily due to their faith-based training.

This block of text: Since October 3, 2017 the Urgent Care Centre at MHC has moved to Victoria Community Hospital and Interim Care is home to 111 beds. Other changes that have occurred at MHC include:

The construction of a 100-bed personal care home, Misericordia Place in 2000

Significant expansion of the Provincial Health Contact Centres size and scope of programs

Consolidation of the Sleep Disorder Centre at MHC in 2008

Creation of a 16-bed Scheduled Respite Progra... was written before I started editing the article this year. It reads like it was lifted from the MHC website.

Jimj wpg (talk) 17:21, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The text that you claim to have paraphrased above is in some cases identical to the text at the Misericordia website. For example:
 * Your text: "... the Sisters open the Misericordia School of Nursing; graduates were well respected and highly sought after, primarily due to their faith-based training."
 * Website text: "The Sisters open the Misericordia School of Nursing; graduates were well respected and highly sought after, primarily due to their faith-based training."
 * Feel free to add new text that is completely paraphrased and not copied and pasted. Kaldari (talk) 17:40, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Further looking into this issue, I see the text in question was added by an IP (from Health Sciences Centre Winnipeg) soon after a User:Cathi-Anne added a list of services on 2018-07-27 that Misericordia offers, which was reverted/deleted by AnomieBot about 2 hours later:

Edit by IP 142.233.200.10 and furthermore checking that IP against the WHOIS database, comes up with Seeing the text there, perhaps I should have taken the initiative and deleted the advertizing-like text myself. Jimj wpg (talk) 20:23, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter November 2019
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This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon. There are now holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action. Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays. Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox. Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards. Admin has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers. Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources. Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13. The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights. There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion. To opt-out of future mailings, you can remove yourself here MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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New Page Review newsletter December 2019


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Please reboot citation bot
Assuming it is still dead. It might be git hosed too. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 03:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Please shutdown the Dev bot. It is out of date and I don’t want people using it. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 01:48, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I also sent this AManWithNoPlan (talk) 01:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. Kaldari (talk) 15:40, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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You are cordially invited to the SPIE Photonics West edit-a-thon on 02.02.2020
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Merger discussion for Penis (disambiguation)
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;Penis (disambiguation)&mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Doug Mehus T · C  19:28, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020
Hello ,

The first NPP source guide discussion is now underway. It covers a wide range of sources in Ghana with the goal of providing more guidance to reviewers about sources they might see when reviewing pages. Hopefully, new page reviewers will join others interested in reliable sources and those with expertise in these sources to make the discussion a success.
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 * A recent discussion of whether Michelin starred restraunts are notable was archived without closure.
 * A resource page with links pertinent for reviewers was created this month.
 * A proposal to increase the scope of G5 was withdrawn.

Geographic regions, areas and places generally do not need general notability guideline type sourcing. When evaluating whether an article meets this notability guideline please also consider whether it might actually be a form of WP:SPAM for a development project (e.g. PR for a large luxury residential development) and not actually covered by the guideline.
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Boca Raton FC logo
Boca Raton FC Logo is register at U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) under the Application serial no. 88055660 BOCA RATON FOOTBALL CLUB 2015 (Stylized and/or with Design, see https://tmng-al.uspto.gov/resting2/api/img/88055660/large). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douglas Heizer (talk • contribs) 06:42, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Trademarks are not related to copyright. You are not allowed to upload copyrighted images to Wikimedia Commons, but you can upload them directly to Wikipedia and use them under "fair use". To do this, go to the upload form and choose "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." Let me know if you need help. Kaldari (talk) 14:33, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Dhunge dhara
Hi there! You were right to make the change in Dhunge Dhara, but would it also be possible to change the title of the article? If so, what happens to all the wiki pages that link to it? --Judithcomm (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello! Nice work on the article! If you go to the "More" menu, you should be able to move the article to a new title. The old title will become a redirect page to the new title. Links to the old page title will not be changed, but will still work since they will link to the redirect. Hope that makes sense. If you need any help, let me know. Kaldari (talk) 15:54, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I decided to leave it the way it is. There is a lot more work to do on the content of the article and I don't want to spend time dealing with the unexpected effects of the change. --Judithcomm (talk) 15:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't mind fixing up all the links. I'll go ahead and move it and fix anything that breaks. Kaldari (talk) 15:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks and good luck. You know there are also links on YouTube, etc? ;-) --Judithcomm (talk) 15:05, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The external links will still work due to the redirect, and I'll change all the Wikipedia links to point directly to the new title. Kaldari (talk) 15:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You've done it! --Judithcomm (talk) 15:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikisource
Hi Ryan, GreenC here. It has been a while since I logged into Wikisource, and noticed on the front page there is Featured content for The Myths of Mexico and Peru. The book is cited in Enwiki. The current cites are to Hathi, Google Books, Internet Archive and sacred-texts.com .. all inferior quality to Wikisource IMO since it has markup and other features. None of the cites are to Wikisource :( They probably exist, but I do not remember encountering Wikisource in book citations, the URL format looks novel to me . Do you know if anyone is looking at this or prior discussions? -- Green  C  14:17, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You can cite Wikisource with Cite wikisource although it seems to be rarely done. Might be worth starting a discussion at the Village pump. Kaldari (talk) 15:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Transclusion count of about 3,500 .. Well I wanted to see if you knew of any initiatives but sounds like nobody is systematically linking Wikipedia and Wikisource together. We are systematically linking archive.org and Wikipedia though.  --  Green  C  15:37, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Important Notice
Doug Weller talk 09:49, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Thanks for also assisting me in accessing its archives.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  10:42, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Okie doke m.(/mme.) kaldari - am willing to try hand at shorter sentences henceforward, thanks !
"'.. Cormac McCarthy seems allergic to most forms of punctuation, but his run-on sentences won him a National Book Award. If less-heralded writers forget a question mark, however, sticklers pounce. John Updike and José Saramago have license to splice commas at will; the rest of us are expected to mind our semicolons, lest we be branded illiterate. ..' --- John Rosenthal. Review: Eats, Shoots & Leaves, May 3, 2004 NYT" II. hat tip: Language Log (Mark Liberman's takes down of Jeffrey Toobin's off-hand claim US constitution ungrammatical):
 * 1) "This being Silicon Valley, however, Obama was quickly embraced." The Atlantic
 * 2) "The prints having been acquired, she then wanted him to have the famous antiquarian Ridolfino Venuti arrange them…" Art Bulletin
 * 3) "A beer being a terrible thing to waste, I spent a good 45 minutes with one right then and there." Skiing
 * 4) "A badgeless MLA being inconceivable (since much of the representational foundation would then collapse, and even drifting would become impossible since there would be no structure from which such an activity could veer), I had to get a badge in order to fit in." Raritan Review
 * 5) "No world-championship event being scheduled this year, this smaller get-together provided a good glimpse of what harmonica people are like, and what they like to do." Smithsonian
 * 6) "Our lesson having been learned back at the hotel, we slipped him $3 and asked him to try harder." Christian Science Mon. Lolll--Hodgdon&#39;s secret garden (talk) 18:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You're quite right! In academic and literary contexts, people are generally rewarded for making their sentences as long and complicated as possible, as it tends to make writing seem more erudite and intellectual. I really hope, however, that Wikipedia will resist this trend and value readability over sounding more academic, especially since about 40% of English Wikipedia readers learned English as a second language (according to some study I can't seem to find at the moment). Cheers! Kaldari (talk) 19:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:Population clocks
Module:Population clocks has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Clarice Phelps
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

HotArticlesBot not running for Novels
Hey, I have tried multiple times in the last few weeks to get the Hot Articles report to start generating for WikiProject Novels, and it doesn't seem to want to -- can you check and see what I am doing wrong in the config? Sadads (talk) 22:31, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The maximum number of days you can analyze is 7 (it's currently set to 10). While you're in there, can you fix Underwater diving too. It's set to list 15 articles, but the maximum is 10. Thanks! Kaldari (talk) 01:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, interesting -- there have been a lot of situations recently where I have wanted more than 10 articles: any chance the bot can be a bit more generous? Or produce an error report on the proposed page if something is not configured as expected? The complete silence meant that I never notice, unless I went looking for it. Sadads (talk) 12:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Wolfram physics project (June 2)
<div style="border: solid 1px #FCC; background-color: #F8EEBC; padding: 0.5em 1em; color: #000; margin: 1.5em; width: 90%;"> Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by AngusWOOF were:

The comment the reviewer left was:

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Hamites
Thank you for the edit at Hamites, especially for drawing my intention to the "Bantu expansion" article. I made some changes to your edit, thinking that "science" is a stronger word than "academic circles" and also removing the second link to "Scientific racism". If you don't like my changes, feel free to discuss or revert. --Rsk6400 (talk) 09:27, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

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Citation bot and button not working
Now the Citations button that appears below the edit summary is not working either. Is that connected somehow? Abductive (reasoning) 22:10, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Please discuss on the bot page and not here. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 22:57, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Joe Hill Louis - Gotta Let You Go.ogg
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New/revised mygalomorph families
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spiders if you haven't already. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:46, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks again for reviewing the Mindy Finn draft at AfC. On the off chance you're available to review my other outstanding draft, I've published Draft:John E. Kelly III as well. Thanks again either way! Inkian Jason (talk) 17:30, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your previous help. I've just saved Draft:Michelle Seitz about one of the "most powerful women in finance" if you have a moment to review and move into the main space. Inkian Jason (talk) 14:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, so quick! Thanks again Inkian Jason (talk) 14:49, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Requesting emergency shutoff of IABot
Hi Kaldari, as you are listed as the second maintainer of IABot, and since IABot continues to incorrectly change url-status from "live" to "dead" in thousands of citations even after several users have reported the problem in several Wikipedias, please stop the bot until the problem is fixed. See also:

User_talk:Cyberpower678 User_talk:Cyberpower678

Thanks. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I won't have access to a computer until Monday, but I was wondering if you've discussed this with Cyberpower. Kaldari (talk) 15:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I attempted this first, but he was not responding timely, that's why I came here. However, he meanwhile has answered and stopped the bot.
 * Thanks. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 16:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

DeFord Bailey disscography...
Are there any refs for his records? Are they listed somewhere, etc? Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 04:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * PS - Tried to nom the main photo of Mr Bailey for WP:FPC (see Featured picture candidates/DeFord Bailey) but apparently the quality was too poor... Shearonink (talk) 04:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Your input
I have an RfC going on at Talk:Gwar regarding using all caps in an article and would appreciate the input of some long-standing Wikipedia editors who may be familiar with the policy, or at least be able to interpret the existing policy with some clarity. Thanks for your time! NJZombie (talk) 21:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Salticidae taxa
Picking up on the thread at User talk:Peter coxhead, I've now ensured that:
 * there are articles for all the Salticidae subfamilies
 * all the other articles I could find on Salticidae taxa use the Maddison (2015) names and ranks; e.g. I moved "Plexippinae" to Plexippini, "Aelurillinae" to Aelurillina
 * the taxonomy templates for salticid genera have a subfamily as the parent (or in some rare cases a tribe) rather than the family.

What was very clear as I worked on this was that the absence of any secondary source for ranks below families meant that I needed make repeated use of journal articles to deal with the changes since Maddison (2015) – some of which are in Maddison et al. (2020), but others are not. It's just not possible to write about ranks below families without infringing a strict interpretation of WP:PSTS.

So, as per your earlier comment, which I support, I wouldn't want to create articles on all the tribes, and even less so on the subtribes, so the articles of this kind that exist at present are either 'special cases' (like Sitticini) or existed already (like Plexippini). Those I know of are:
 * Amycini
 * Euophryini
 * Plexippini
 * Sitticini
 * Aelurillina – but not the parent Aelurillini; maybe this should be created?
 * Dendryphantina – but not the parent Dendryphantini; maybe this should be created?

To discourage creation of the tribe articles, although I've listed all the tribes at Salticinae, I only wikilinked those that have articles. However, I see that you did wikilink them all at Salticoida. Another possibility in both articles is not to list the tribes, but just say how many there are.

What do you think? Peter coxhead (talk) 11:13, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I just removed the tribe list from Salticoida and I think we should remove it from Salticinae as well. In order to allow navigation from Salticidae to the genus articles, do you think we should list the included genera at Salticoida and Amycoida (or alternately at Salticinae), perhaps in a subarticle list? How do other taxon articles with a large number of child taxa (several hundred) handle this? Kaldari (talk) 14:38, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I revised Salticinae similarly. I'm in two minds about the subclades, but some, like Marpissoida, do have a history of use as a taxon at some rank or other prior to Maddison.
 * I'm inclined to revise the article at List of Salticidae genera to group the genera by subfamily + the Salticoida and Amycoida.
 * Peter coxhead (talk) 16:25, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * To test the feasibility of this suggestion, I downloaded the spreadsheet offered by Maddison (2015) at http://salticidae.org/classification/ and set up another spreadsheet from WSC's Salticidae list. Unfortunately, there's quite a lot of reconciliation needed: there are about 70 genera in one list but not the other. Some are obvious: new genera such as Manzuma Azarkina, 2020 and a pile of "Prószyński, 2016" which Maddison might or might not be willing to recognize. Others are less obvious, like Toxeus C. L. Koch, 1846, which the WSC says was removed from synonymy with Myrmarachne by Prószyński in 2016. Some of these genera can be assigned to a position in the Maddison (2015) system based on other sources, but each requires some research. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:01, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spiders. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:40, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

reftoolbar's autofill isn't working for a site
Hi, sorry for disturbing. For some reason, autofill functionality of MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js isn't working for www.prothomalo.com & currently it returns nothing. Even one month ago it used to worked. Try this url https://www.prothomalo.com/business/সোনার-দাম-আবার-বাড়ছে-ভরি-৭৪-হাজার-টাকা-2 (or any url on www.prothomalo.com). I tried this on reftoolbar.toolforge.org & it working fine there. Please take a look. As Daily Prothom Alo is one of most used site for ref on bnwiki, it would be really helpfull & save some step to fill a ref. Thanks in advance. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It was probably broken by the domain name change. Make sure you've implemented that change in your MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js file: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ARefToolbar.js&type=revision&diff=966855379&oldid=843627122. Kaldari (talk) 17:24, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I already updated it. Still it doesn't work. Try above url here on enwiki. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 17:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's a character encoding problem. I'll dig into it. Kaldari (talk) 21:08, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 21:48, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I fixed the issue on English Wikipedia's RefToolbar. You should be able to implement a similar work-around on bnwiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ARefToolbar.js&type=revision&diff=977779611&oldid=972381502. Kaldari (talk) 23:08, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing. It's working now. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 03:00, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Nora Perry disambiguation
Hi Kaldari, i see tht you moved Nora Perry article to Nora Perry (badminton). Fyi, after you moved that articles, there were hundreds of Nora Perry an English former badminton player that linking to a disambiguation target (see: Pages that link to "Nora Perry". I hope you can fix this problem. Thanks Stvbastian (talk) 02:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm working on it. Kaldari (talk) 02:59, 19 September 2020 (UTC)