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AT&T logos
Hi, I'm the bastard that is replacing your AT&T image logos with PNG images. However, I'm trying to see your point of replacing the images such as the one with the new AT&T logo being vertical. I see that you recently replaced my Image:ATT-globe-1984-logo.png with your Image:Attglobe.gif. Is it because of the color tone of the globe? It probably is which is why I replaced ATT-globe-1984-logo.png's color tone to match with the Attglobe.gif. I hope I didn't cause an "edit war" with you on this specific article. :-P --J. Nguyen 02:35, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Cite sources
Hi - Thank you for your addition to BellSouth! Please cite your sources for the information you added. I realize that most articles on Wikipedia unfortunately do not have proper sources cited but we are trying to correct that! Thanks! - SCEhard T 04:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem! I've made a comment at BellSouth reflecting this. - SCEhard T 04:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

MLK
I'm not quite sure why you changed "African-American" to "black" in reference to Martin Luther King Jr., but it had the effect of linking to the color black, not to the racial designation. Also, don't forget to explain your edits in the edit summary box. Thanks, -Will Beback 23:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to worry. The edit summary box sits between the eidting box, where you type your edit, and the "save" button. Cheers, -Will Beback 05:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

SBC to AT&T
I moved SBC to AT&T, as the company name is AT&T. I left the SBC link as a redirect, but could you go back and clean up the current instances? Thanks :) A dmrb♉ltz (T | C) 21:20, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Bellsouth building birmingham.jpg
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 * The source is solved but another issue is the license. From the evidence shown, David Massey is not the copyright holder of the image, Eric Paschal is. "Photo coutesy of Eric Paschal is too ambiguous." Who knows what Eric is willing to license. In order for this image to stay on Wikipedia, you need written communication from Eric that he allows this image to be released under public domain or another free license. That communication needs to be posted on the discussion page of the image (See Image:Zebra finch.jpg for an example). We get worked up about this because it is the law. -Nv8200p talk 20:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry but what he says makes no sense. "Since the image is on your site for educational purposes, I see no reason my picture can't be on your site." What does that mean? It sounds like he is giving permission for just Wikipedia to use. These type of images are not accetable to the site (See Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Free_licenses). He needs to understand and agree to "release the image into the public domain" or "license the images for free use." Thanks -Nv8200p talk 02:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit Summary request :)
Hello. Please remember to always provide an edit summary. Thanks and happy editing. A dmrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 03:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I would like to second this request. — Kralizec! (talk) 11:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

AT&T
Please see my comments at Talk:AT&T. I may agree with you on the need to merge the two paragraphs, but I want to make sure that we agree on the reason first. -Harmil 20:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up. I just wanted to be sure. -Harmil 11:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

William H. Swanson
Hi. Swanson is not Sprint, so we can't have an infobox for Sprint on the Raytheon exec's page. It's about him, not Sprint. Thanks. -- Perspective 21:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

AT&T Page Split
Let me start by saying that I am not opposed to splitting the page, in fact, I am he one who did. But there is a problem: When I tried to move the page, i tried to move it to the name AT&T Inc., with the period. For some reason, the system would not let me, so I had to move it to AT&T Inc, no period. But then, you came, and, becuase it let you use the period (I don't know if you mved a page or what to make room) and you renamed it AT&T Inc. I don't know why, but now there is a problem with the AT&T Inc. talk page, and it seems to be because of that damn period. I wanted to let you know, because I can't figure out how to fix it, its really confusing. If you understood my message, you can figure out how to fix it.

Also, keep the Pre-2005 AT&T page name the same. I realize that the new and old AT&Ts both had slightly differnet names (Inc. and Corp.) but harldly anyone else does. This will confuse them. Keep it clear and simple, and keep the Pre-2005 name. aido2002 20:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Though, the biggest problem is the talk page. If you did not see already, when you click on the discuss link it sends you to the wrong page, and then another... But also, using cut/paste is a good idea, but you may have to do the same with the history pages, for many reasons. (I've never tried copying and pasting a history page, but I think it is safe to assume it will work.) aido2002 23:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

SBC Communications/ SBC (1984-2005)
First of all, the SBC page should be SBC (1984-2005), not SBC Communications,because while there was no other SBC, it should be written almost like an obituary: tell when this company started, when it ended. So, please do not move the SBC page again. But regardless of the title, from now on, please do not use copy/paste to move pages, use the "move" button at the top. This moves both the talk and the article, and still gives credit to the creator in the history. Thanks, aido2002 19:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject:Telecommunications
Hi. Since you have made many edits to AT&T and helped create the spinoff articles (AT&T Corp, SBC Comm.) I thought you might want to join the WikiProject I'm starting, which focuses on telecommunications. WP:Tel is a shrotcut link. Just wanted to let you know, hope you join! aido2002 23:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

TV Affiliates by state
Thanks for creating these, but just a reminder, these go left to right by channel number. --CFIF (talk to me) 14:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

New England Telephone
Check the Talk: New England Telephone page when you get a chance - I've made a suggestion about how to handle past/current names. - DavidWBrooks 12:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

KYTV (TV) is utter crap
Look I work in the industry and there is no such thing as a (TV) suffix, however there is a -TV suffix. I can't tell you where I work, but you are wrong. TV Newser 19:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Barker's Beauties
I went to that template page, and I thank you for that because I requested it after you created it and realize that it's already there. However, that page needs a lot of work because I can't do it alone and there were too many former models in the past, including well-known ones that started their modeling careers in the 1970s. Go to Barker's Beauties, The Price is Right and The Price is Right worldwide, take a look at their current versions, and then click "edit the page" in each pag; and then realize how much work it needs. Also, I added categorize because it needs one or more categories. --Gh87 05:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: I made some edits, but they're minor. So no worries. --Gh87 17:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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Hello
Every AT&T Bell Telephone related pages has a ton of edits by you and me (x570), if you have AIM, drop me a message at screenname QueensPlazaSouth if you see me online. X570 22:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

BellSouth disestablishment
The company still technically exists, albeit as a sub-company of AT&T. I just wrote a check to them this week. They have indicated in local media here that the company will not cease to exist as a entity until later this year, once everything is done. As of present, and based on that, they are not defunct yet. --Mhking 23:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

TV3 Winchester
TV3 Winchester is an ABC affiliate from Winchester, Virginia and is owned by Gray Television, currently is a rebroadcaster of WHSV, also an ABC affiliate.

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AT&T 1984 logo
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Re:Cingular Article
True, but Cingular just became AT&T--unlike Sprint and Daimler-Benz, who changed quite a while ago. For until the transition is complete, or until public awareness of the switch increases, we should add the "Formerly Cingular" note. aido2002 22:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Once again, this would not be permanent, only public awareness of the change increases. aido2002 17:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It hasn't happened before, so I guess we're creating a new precedent. aido2002 22:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * That is the point. Once people know about the change, we can remove the note. aido2002 03:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

US West
Please stop being disruptive by moving this page. Cacophony 17:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you would have bothered to read the move request on the talk page, you would have seen that the majority of users voted to keep the name US West. This is in accordance with Naming conventions, which states: article naming should prefer to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize.  Please consult the talk pages and/or the Manual of Style before moving any more pages.  I have requested for an administrator to move the page back to US West.  Cacophony 20:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I reverted your move of US West to U S WEST, consensus for your move request was against the move. If you do not agree with the move, create a new move request and go through the move process, don't just move it. Thanks.--Bobblehead 23:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

YELLOWPAGES.COM/Yellowpages.com
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Template:AT&T revert
I reverted you revert because a template with that info already exist and thus it was redundant to include in this template. If anything link to the main bell system article and they can navigate through the former bell system from there.(Ke5crz 16:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC))

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Conflict of Interest
Hi, KansasCity! I noticed that you are editing articles related to AT&T and Bell companies. If you do indeed in fact work for the company, your editing falls upon a conflict of interest, because the edits promote one viewpoint above the next. This can lead to the article not having a neutral point of view. If I am mistaken about your interests on Wikipedia, then I apologize.  Miranda  16:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I do not work for AT&T. My hobby, though, is involved with telecommunications history and telephones. I am sorry if my edits come off as if I am working for AT&T, but I actually keep myself updated on the telecom industry on a regular basis, especially the Bells, so I can share it with others, like the Wikipedia community. KansasCity 16:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies. Keep up the good work!  Miranda  16:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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AT&T 'Founding' 'vandal'
Looks like this guy is going to argue anything we say. I think we might want to stop giving him his bully pulpit and simply correct any edits he does. Of course, that is because we are Wiki-elitists you know.--Donovan Ravenhull 15:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:CBS Delaware
If you disagree with the existence of this Template, follow the proper WP:TFD process, don't just blank the page. Corvus cornix 03:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted all of your speedy delete tags on the Templates, because none of them is a candidate for speedy deletion. Please follow the proper TfD process. Corvus cornix 03:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please follow the TfD procedure precisely. Specifically, I'm referring to subst:'ing tfd2 (step 2). Thank you. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool. Thanks.  Corvus cornix 15:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

SBC
Hi. I still feel that there is a need for an SBC Communications article, primarily for clarity purposes. Yes, SBC has changed its name to AT&T Inc, but we have to put this in a full, historical context.

I was thinking of having a series on this - starting with AT&T 1885 - 1984, The break-up, the Baby Bells/ AT&T long lines (the primary unit from 1984-2005) and then the most recent article would be AT&T Inc. - each should be edited to flow well and maintain clarity. (New) AT&T Inc should lead with an overview of services without getting into the history details - the history should start with how SBC acquired AT&T (with a See Also, SBC Communications at the top), a paragraph on how this is significant (subsidiary eventually buying its parent) and then the diagram and so forth. The founding/expansion should be kept at the SBC Comm. article.

If you think about it, SBC was a successor of AT&T, and now AT&T is a successor of SBC, meaning AT&T is a direct descendant of AT&T. A quick redirect just doesn't do the trick.

I would appreciate your input on this.

-- Jay  ( Talk ) 22:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

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Unlike our anon, I'm familiar with the different histories, but as long as we have links to an article about AT&T's BellSouth merger (which I grant was almost simultaneous), and links about the bell system, we might as well throw in the history of one of SBC's largest acquisitions. I would not be opposed to including histories on GTE and Bell South for the same reason. Cool Hand Luke 04:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * And actually, just specifying the dates is misleading because a user might mistakenly believe that it's just the history up until 2005, when in fact it's totally different. On second thought, maybe we should just indicate which companies are now part of Texas AT&T in the "see also" section. Sorry, you're right. Cool Hand Luke 04:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I already agree with you. See above. The history links don't belong on the TX AT&T page; it's confusing. I just think that this is more than an ordinary case of "See also" where they should be redundantly marked as being acquired. Some people do have the perspective that they're continuous entities, so the acquisitions deserve a special spot, and hopefully this will seem intuitive enough that our anon and any other editors in the future won't try to add history as if it were a mega article. Cool Hand Luke 04:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I know about GTE's independence, I meant to say PacTel, sorry. Cool Hand Luke 04:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

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OK, after I reverted the page again, just for the hell of it, I checked to see, if once again, there were seperate pages for Pacific Northwest Bell and Northwestern Bell, as, once upon a time there was seperate paged for those two companies, and Mountain Bell. Then they were consolidated into the Qwest Corp page, and I figured, "well I guess that makes sense, since they've been merged into a single entity". Now they're split again, except the Mountain Bell section, which, with the current structure, implies that Qwest Corp IS Mountain Bell, which the other two companies have been merged in to. Is this a fact? I honestly don't know. If nothing else, there should be wiki-links to the other two pages. 24.185.31.111 02:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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KansasCity, I know that you still believe that AT&T Corp. became defunct (dissolved) since the 2005 merger. However, this page on the offical AT&T website says that after the merger closed, AT&T Corp. became a wholly owned subsidiary of AT&T Inc. (emphasis added), which clearly shows that you (and Speer320 and so on...) have been vandalizing the AT&T Corp. page. Remember that that web page linked to above is the offical AT&T web site, so the information there is 100% true. I, and many others, would really appreciate you going to that web page, reading it closely, and thinking hard about how you have been vandalizing the AT&T Corp. page, sooo many times during this edit war. Regards. [ |Retro00064 | (talk/contribs) | ] 06:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

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CenturyLink operating companies
Hey KC,

You may have noticed that I've been working on the CenturyLink operating companies articles. This was prompted by another editor's questions about verifiability. I concur. I've found some sources on the existing companies, but would love to know what your sources are so we can make sure the list is complete.

Speaking of the list, I wanted your thoughts on organization. I currently have it as a straight alphabetical list, but can see giving it a bit of a tree structure, with the "legacy CenturyTel", "Embarq" and "Qwest" as headers. (Of course, whether they stay that way or are reorganized in the future may change our decision, but there's regulatory issues withthat afaik.)

Finally, unwanted to point out WP:UNLINKDATES and WP:OVERLINK, (specifically the part on repeated links), as I've made those fixes on the newly created articles for some companies. oknazevad (talk) 22:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize; good faith efforts are always welcome. I was asking about your sources in part because I couldn't find a straightforward list of CenturyLink operating companies at their site. If you could put the link on my talk page I'd much appreciate it.
 * The idea of using the state regulators for finding company history is a good one. I found a section of the FCC's site here that covers some history, but it is only current through January 2010, so it doesn't have quite everything.
 * As for separate articles, I have no problem with them. I turned the Embarq list into a CenturyLink list to act as a central navigation page more than anything else. Grouping by historical predecessor/holding company would be fine by me. oknazevad (talk) 03:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds good. The Bell System article serves as a "central" article for all of the Bell Operating Companies, the List of CenturyLink operating companies page could serve as a central page for all of the CenturyLink companies! KansasCity (talk) 18:21, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Similarly, there's a section on the Verizon article listing their operating companies. Same with AT&T (which are all Bell Operating Companies). Conceivably we could merge the list into the CenturyLink article, but, due to the way the companies have been accumulated over the years, it's a longer list and makes sense as a stand alone list. oknazevad (talk) 03:26, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

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I don't know about the status of other Bell operating companies, but the fact that New England Telegraph's coverage area is now owned by two different firms - Verizon and FairPoint - seems to make an infobox at best confusing and at worse misleading or wrong. After all, why not include the FairPoint Communications infobox instead, since somewhere around a quarter of the phone lines that were NET are now FP

I think that the article's current wording, which explains in great detail about the history, with wikilinks to all the companies, is sufficient. I don't think an infobox, which is designed to be a focused piece of data presentation, serves any purpose in an unfocused (so to speak) topic like this. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:01, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think that having an infobox would be confusing so long as there is language contained in the article detailing that Verizon New England's operations in Northern New England are now serviced by FairPoint through Northern New England Telephone Operations and Telephone Operating Company of Vermont. There are links to those pages contained in the article. I think another good example is Lucent Technologies - now owned by Alcatel-Lucent, it still legally exists as Alcatel-Lucent USA. It had various spinoffs over the years - Avaya and Agere Systems to name a couple. That never changed the fact that the original Lucent Technologies entity has not ceased to exist, albeit with a great deal of smaller assets than it did upon creation in 1995. Also refer to C&P Telephone. Only 3 of the 4 companies known under the C&P Telephone name at one time are owned by Verizon - West Virginia was sold to Frontier Communications and now exists as Frontier West Virginia. It is still the same company owned by AT&T until 1984, and owned by Bell Atlantic/Verizon until 2010. There is a clear delineation on the C&P Telephone page directing one to visit Frontier West Virginia for current information on that company since it no longer is associated with Verizon. KansasCity (talk) 15:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Why not the Fairpoint infobox, then? Why only Verizon?
 * The point of an infobox is to guide the reader ... this would (I think) confuse them, at best. The article has lots of text explaining the history which cannot be distilled into an infobox; it's not like the article is misleading. But that history cannot be put into an infobox, so why add it? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think we should include the FairPoint template because Verizon New England is not the property of FairPoint; only assets in Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont that formerly belonged to Verizon New England now belong to FairPoint. I don't quite understand the infobox issue...the infobox in general refers to the company the article is discussing, almost as a "quick glimpse" of the company. It cannot be doubted that Verizon New England, Inc. was founded in 1883, incorporated in New York, serves Rhode Island and Massachusetts, has its headquarters in Boston, and has its own websites for the two states it serves. Nor can it be refuted that Northern New England Telephone Operations LLC and Telephone Operating Company of Vermont LLC are two separate companies from Verizon New England that are owned by FairPoint that took over the operations in those states that Verizon used to serve. Since all 3 of the operating companies I have mentioned have separate pages, there is no reason to have more than one infobox on each page. I have an idea - why don't we move "New England Telephone" to "Verizon New England" and turn the page "New England Telephone" into a disambiguation page? That way, there will be 3 links to the companies that used to consist of what was all called "New England Telephone" at one time, and then people will have a clearer direction of where to go if they want information on the topic. KansasCity (talk) 13:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I see you've gone ahead abd moved the damn thing, without asking anybody, unilaterally confusing everybody ... I'm about to leave on vacation for two weeks, but hopefully others will undo your pointless (IMHO, of course) maneuver. People in three states who were customers of New England Telephone will now be directed to a company that has no connection whatsoever with them, with no obvous way of finding the one that does ... what the heck is the good of that? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:28, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, I have calmed down. I went and looked at what you did, and have tweaked the disambiguation page so that readers know which of the NET-named firms is the one they want, and I think it's adequate. Unnecessary, but adequate. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 15:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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I'm trying to locate anything that would support that the legal name of Verizon Wireless is still Cellco Partnership. The partnership itself appears to have ended when Vodaphone sold it's share of Verizon Wireless to Verizon Communications - and that sale appears to have closed a few months ago. The only mention remaining on the Verizon Wireless website appears to be related to a court case from 2008 - all other mention of that name appears to have been purged from their site, and I can't locate it still in use anywhere else. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 05:41, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The official record in Cellco Partnership's home state of incorporation is located in the Delaware Business Entity Database which closes down at midnight and will reopen at 7 or 8 AM. Here is a record from the Kansas Business database...if the name was changed, a filing would have been made in every state in which it does business. KansasCity (talk) 05:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * They would not have amended a "General Partnership Statement" to change a name if the partnership was bought out by one of the entities (which happened earlier this year) - it's wholly owned by a single entity now, no longer a partnership. The form you listed shows the partnership was registered in 2010, it's a static document from that point in the past.
 * Additionally, their "about us" page clearly states: "Verizon Wireless is wholly owned by Verizon Communications Inc. and is headquartered in Basking Ridge, N.J." --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:22, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The "about us" page never clearly states a company's "real" and "true" legal name if there is a d/b/a name being used. The "About Us" page should be used as a guide but in this case it is not proof of the legal name of Verizon Wireless. Additionally, simply because Verizon bought out the remaining shares of Verizon Wireless from Vodafone bears no proof on the claim that Cellco Partnership changed its legal name. If you would refer to the link to the Kansas Secretary of State's web page I posted above, you'll see that, at the time of that filing, there were FOUR entities which own Verizon Wireless - 2 owned by Vodafone, 2 owned by Verizon. As to the details of whether Verizon Communications purchased JVParnerCO and PCS Nucleus from Vodafone, or whether they simply transferred their interest of Verizon Wireless as individual entities to Verizon Communications or Bell Atlantic Mobile Systems or GTE Wireless, I don't know. However, Verizon owns two entities, "Bell Atlantic Mobile Systems, LLC" and "GTE Wireless Incorporated", which, as of today, I have not been able to find any documents which state this two companies no longer continue to serve as partners in ownership of the Cellco Partnership. I believe you are trying to argue Cellco Partnership could not possibly be named as such because it is a wholly owned subsidiary of Verizon; however, legally the company would still be a partnership as it has 2 owners, although they are subisidiaries of Verizon, that would still qualify as classifying the company that does business as Verizon Wireless as a partnership. KansasCity (talk) 15:47, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is an additional legal document serving as a public notice from as recently as May which states Verizon Wireless' true and legal name is Cellco Partnership. http://publicnotices.portlandtribune.com/?tag=cellco-partnership-verizon-wireless KansasCity (talk) 15:52, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
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I am warning you nicely to stop warring on the AT&T page...Thanks.And Welcome to WikipediaBBMatBlood (talk) 15:03, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have not partaken in any warring; you have continued to insist upon changes to the AT&T page citing a supposed consensus of merging the pages of AT&T Corp. and AT&T. I have corrected those pages along with other contributors to match long-established precedent. I’ve yet to see where this discussion is located on merging the pages other than your insistence in page edit comments that it be done. Ever the acquisition of AT&T Corp. by SBC Communications Inc. in 2005, and subsequent renaming to AT&T Inc, the founding date has been cited as October 1983. Please begin a conversation on the talk pages and a consensus can then be reached if you desire to merge the pages. KansasCityKSMO (talk) 19:01, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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 * I thought it would be an uncontroversial move as there are many pages for other Bell-related telephone companies in similar situations (legal name different from trade name). Examples include Ohio Bell, Southwestern Bell, and Pacific Bell. They were their historically known by these names and, to this day, still have them as their legal names. KansasCityKSMO (talk) 19:13, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree with that logic. SNET was an independent; it was never an AT&T/Bell owned company, whereas all of those are or were. Had you done SBC Communications or AT&T Connecticut instead I could kind of see that... but both are still anachronistic. Also, since Frontier bought the (merged) AT&T Connecticut from SBC, they didn't just buy SNET -- they also bought Woodbury Telephone and several other entities. I see the article was put back, so no harm no foul. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 20:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I disagree that SNET was never associated with Bell. Yes, SNET was an independent, but at the same time associated with the Bell System, because AT&T owned under 20% of the company’s shares. Otherwise it would not have been able to use the Bell logo were it truly independent from any association with Bell. Frontier did buy the LEC Southern New England Telephone along with SNET America, but the legal names remained unchanged. The SNET that was dissolved was the former holding company Southern New England Telecommunications, years before the sale of the LEC entity, and the page reflects that. It would not have made sense to move the page for the LEC to “AT&T Connecticut” because the legal name has always been Southern New England Telephone. Should the Qwest Corporation page then be renamed to its trade name “CenturyLink QC”? It follows the same logic as moving Southern New England Telephone to its current title. KansasCityKSMO (talk) 00:13, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that I didn't say "never associated", I said "never owned". That's a big difference. But beyond that: who's going to search for "WaWa Iron Foundry" instead of the surviving [Wawa]] convenience store chain? It's an anachronism to do so, and no one would look for SNET instead of Frontier now, 20+ years on.
 * As for Qwest, I would say that article should be frozen as a historical one and not be merged or renamed at all. IMO, the 'pedia has a major problem with corporations, in that they often get merged/redir'd/etc, and then the old/historical information gets purged over the years as no longer being relevant. It's basically approved-of data loss, and it's not a positive thing to me. Markvs88 (talk) 15:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

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