User talk:Kappa/2

Ril is now attacking Authentic Matthew-Help.

 * Actually, I put it up for VfD due to it being original research, containing a large (n.b. not biblical) source text at Wikisource, the salvagable content already being noted, and the article's creator going to extreme sockpuppet usage to preserve the article in the original form. The above user is a sockpuppet of User:Melissadolbeer, named User:Teenangel. Please see Requests for comment/Melissadolbeer.     19:42, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Super Eurobeat
Yeah, I know the AVEX compliation is important to Eurobeat genre. However, the cuent version is nothing but a list and has little content to preserve. As I am not familiar with the history of SEB, I elect for a page to delete but keep links (this means that when the page is re-created it will not be moved to speedy delete). In any case, if you can write up something better, please do. SYSS Mouse 14:17, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bars (pubs, taverns) of inclusion
Hello Kappa. In Votes for deletion/Hog's Back Brewery, you write: there should be a low bar of inclusion for beer, as for almost everything else. This is interesting, as the "almost" implies that even you are inclined to squelch something or other. I wonder what this is. Could it perhaps be vanity?

Whether or not it's vanity, you might be interested in what I wrote in Village pump (policy) about my dissatisfaction with the so-called "semi-policy" (?!) page Vanity page. I've written more about this in Wikipedia talk:Vanity page and I've made some very minor changes to Vanity page while attempting not to change the gist (so far as I understand it) of what it says -- despite my own disagreement. Since you tend to vote "keep" a lot more often than I do, your viewpoint is likely to be different from mine; thus your involvement in a rewrite would I think be very healthy. If you have comments, do plonk them on Wikipedia talk:Vanity page rather than my own page. Thanks. -- Hoary 03:39, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)

Vandalism alert
Hi Kappa. You made an entry in Vandalism in progress, but you didn't say which user you were reporting. You might want to fix your entry. Paul August &#9742; 21:11, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

Crescent school
Hi there! I noticed your comment about the Crescent School on VfD, "So how about BEEFSTEW of 5 gets an article, substubs are deleted, less than 5 gets merged if it isn't growing? Kappa 05:30, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)"

I think this is a very good idea, and it seems the only way to stop the repetitive school debates on VfD is by setting up some compromise (like we have for WP:MUSIC; BEEFSTEW sounds like a good starting point). Do you think we should put up a centralized discussion on this? Yours, Radiant_* 07:18, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

I propose something like this: An article on a non-exceptional school gets its own page when it contains a substantial amount of informative, non-generic, verifiable information. A substantial amount would be about a screenful. Generic information is things like BEEFSTEW (D) unless there is something interesting to say about them, such as a remarkable improvement in results. Non-generic information is like the part of BEEFSTEW (H) which says "describe some distinct things about it that distinguish it from other schools". It would include the things I want from school articles like interesting points of its history, its role in the local area, special education/discipline approaches and so on.
 * I think some progress is being made in the Vfds, I'm trying to figure out what kind of deal people will buy. Kappa 11:12, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * There does seem to be progress, and I think we should just make a compromise somewhere because the repetitive discussion seems to be annoying people... I've already been approached by some people to start a centralized discussion on the matter, but I'm afraid that if I do that people will mistake my intent. Radiant_* 09:30, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you think there can be consensus around using BEEFSTEW to measure article quality, not just school "notability"? I believe that a large majority of the community would be prepared to accept that. I don't want a WP which is unable to examine typical schools with their gang problems, special projects, important roles in the community etc. Kappa 11:36, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it's possible to form a consensus - if the two of us can reach agreement on this, I think I would be able to convince the delete-voters to agree, and I trust you'd be able to do similar with the keep-voters.
 * As a corollary, I think it should be acceptable to merge school stubs onto lists, or articles on the city/town/whatever - a merged article can always be broken out later if and when more information is added. I believe many delete-voters simply object to stubs that they believe to be unlikely to be expanded any time soon.
 * Regarding BEEFSTEW, I think it's a good start, and most criteria are solid. However, I have some objection regarding item I (Would an alumnus of the school be pleased at how knowledgeable the article was?) as it's subjective and unverifiable. Also, I don't like the first three criteria (more than two sentences, at least one paragraph, more than 2000 bytes) because they're only relevant to the length of the article, not its content. The reason I'm saying this is that there is some precedent for people adding trivial information to school article (e.g. "the spoken language is English" for a school in England, or "the library contains many books ordered by topic") in order to increase its length. Of course I'd like your opinion on this.
 * Yours, Radiant_* 07:48, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Other school pages get merged somewhere, but we find a way to encourage people to expand them with "non-generic" info. Some kind of template that says "this school section is a stub, you can help WP by expanding it. The schools project has some guidelines." That way they can grow, more or less organically, and also help bring new people into WP.
 * This means it won't be possible to give all schools an article because there just isn't enough info available. I think Clonkeen College would be an example of something which would have to stay merged. The schools people won't be too happy but I think they'll accept it in return for a friendlier approach to new articles and schools in general. Kappa 23:35, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I think this sounds very good. How about making a draft (that doesn't refer to BEEFSTEW, but copy/pastes the relevant parts) and asking some people for comments? See also User talk:Korath who has written down his thoughts, which do seem to correspond with yours. We should definitely get Dpbsmith's opinion, since he wrote BEEFSTEW.
 * How do you feel about 'current' information? Listing a principal would be useful since most principals stay on for a long time; but how about information that would not be valid a year from now?
 * A template for school sections sounds good, and then people can check 'what links here' (or an embedded category) when looking for school articles to expand. WikiProject:Schools is a good central place for that.
 * Considering the fact that there's only a few 'extremists' on each side, it seems viable to get consensus on this - stressing the point that merging is a form of keeping. After all, it's a worthy compromise - and compromise is certainly preferable to a daily shouting match on VfD. Radiant_* 08:58, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

re: Clover Park High School
Yes, we have many subpages on Wikipedia on specific topics. (For example, the collected wikipages on chess could fill a small book!) Why not subpages for towns? It's just a matter of consistent thinking. Schools are useful information in a specific, reasonable context.

And, even if someone doesn't think the school article is "notable" enough, it would be wise to keep the article anyway. (1) Keeping the article fosters good will: Local readers who see the page will think "Wow, wikipedia cares about MY town!" (2) Deleting the article creates ill will: It says to all the editors who put their time and hard work into the page: "Sorry, your work is valueless; it is better to destroy it." That really angers people, and rightfully so. So keeping the page is good for the Wikimedia project.

If there is ever sufficient popular support on Wikipedia to delete school and related pages due to them being "too geographical--too local in scope", then what will need to be done is the creation of a "Wikitowns" or "Wikilocal" project, and all the pages about schools and such will have to be moved there. The information will survive, just in a different project space. This was done with word definitions (Wiktionary), so it could easily happen in this case. A Wikilocal project is probably what will happen in the long run. I think it would even be a better situation, as you wouldn't have to deal with idiotic Vfd votes, and there would be no question of the page's value and "notability". You'd be able to spend your time actually working on adding contributions instead of defending them against the notability crusaders. (But keep in mind that the notability crusaders really do have Wikipedia's best interests at heart, even if they don't "get it".)

- Pioneer-12 01:16, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Clonkeen College
Kappa, would you please take another look at Clonkeen College and reconsider your vote? You have demonstrated excellent research abilities when it comes to schools, perhaps you can lend me a hand? It seems to have a good degree of notability above and beyond that of the typical notable secondary school. Cheers --GRider\talk 19:22, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi GRrider, I'll change my vote because I promised I would. I did actually look for material to expand that article but I didn't find very much. Please look above to my discussion with Radiant on an attempted compromise on the schools issue (which would result in this particular article being merged as it stands). I know this kind of thing is not ideal from the "organic growth" standpoint but I'm hoping you can accept it in return for a healthier attitude towards school coverage in general. Kappa 23:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Radio mast articles
I am contacting you because you have contributed to the VfD discussion on radio mast articles. I just wanted to let you know that a proposal has been put forth at Deletion policy/Masts to address these articles en masse. Your comments are welcome. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 04:32, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:)
FYI, I'll be away for a couple of days. If you want my help on persuading certain people, please wait a bit. I'll drop you a line when I'm back. Yours, Radiant_* 21:47, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Email
Please email me. &mdash; Xiong&#29066; talk* 13:20, 2005 May 1 (UTC)

Thanks, and a question
Thanks for your kind words, and for posting the standard welcome on my talk page.

Please have a look at my user page and tell me on my talk page if what I've posted there is appropriate. I'm not certain, and would rather go back and delete it rather than whack a hornet's nest with a stick.

Thanks again. --Unfocused 14:24, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Notable high schools
This Newsweek article on The 100 Best High Schools in America is certainly food for thought in the frequent debates over the notability of high schools... certainly every one on that list should have an article! bd2412 T 01:02, 2005 May 9 (UTC)
 * thanks for the link, but doing schools from best -> worst is not the best order in my opinion. Kappa 15:45, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi there! I'm back from break, so I'd be happy to continue on the schools compromise, and getting it away from the daily VfD hassle. Radiant_* 10:43, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually things seem a bit quieter on Vfd, and people are voting by article quality a lot more, I can live with that. I'm thinking it might be possible to introduce a tag to replace cleanup-importance people were using. Kappa 15:45, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It is quieter now, but there still is no consensus. I believe we should take advantage of the calm rational mood at present to create a consensus, because it is quite possible that in the future there will be more school nominations and a repetition of the angry shouting. If, by then, we have a guideline to fall back on, we can prevent it. Yours, Radiant_* 15:48, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I added the Newsweek list to my userpage here - I agree that best-to-worst is not the best order, but I feel this list offers additional ammunition for keeping all schools listed on it! bd2412  T 01:21, 2005 May 16 (UTC)

Speedy tags...
I've read the criteria and try to keep to it. Normally I'll either nonsense or db|reason it. Let me know if you think I'm misusing it and I'll try to be more conservative. I have done 3 VfD's so far (almost 4, but speedied one that had been deleted before. ) Wikibofh 01:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)


 * As an example, here is one I didn't speedy because I wasn't positive. :) Wikibofh 01:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Names/Surnames
Kappa, I would welcome your comment on bd2412  T 04:15, 2005 May 13 (UTC)

Re: speedy tag on Phytoestrogen
Sorry... still learning some of the ropes around here. Guess I should have actually checked what it linked to BEFORE I decided to put the speedy tag on. Despite that, I still think it's spam, but then that's just my opinion.--Chanting Fox 19:15, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

(disruptive?) voting
I answered your note on my user page, including explanation and a bit of apology. Barno 16:04, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Pioneer 12 block
Was Pioneer 12 given an official warning before the block was placed? If not, I believe the block should be lifted and a warning given instead. Kappa 15:48, 15 May 2005 (UTC)


 * This isn't a policy violation; he isn't doing anything wrong. He is in dispute with Wikipedia on licensing, and the block was placed to stop him making edits while he refuses to accept the terms and conditions of Wikipedia. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:46, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Blank page after closing?
Not sure why, but the bot left the page almost empty. Kappa 00:20, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Take a closer look at the Wikicode.   If you know anything about HTML comments, an HTML comment begins with  .  The reason why the bot blank the page was not its fault.  It was because someone took out the > in the first HTML comment that says:  <!-- New votes to the bottom, please. -- . -- AllyUnion (talk) 00:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Boo Koo
I greatly appreciate your support. I'm grateful. Thanks. Some people are stupid, though, honestly. YEAH! It survived! Wahoo.....

Compromise on schools
See Watch/schoolwatch. But you probably noticed already. We really need to give another shot to that compromise, don't you agree? Radiant_* 11:27, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Delete and redirects of my comments?
Would you care to place my comments somewhere, delete them from the Schools and Neutrality's poll, and post redirects? I'm still learning policy here, and frankly, it's just that I don't have the time to find, read, and understand the proper place for this and then learn the mechanics of doing so right now. You could post a note, "moved by request of author; please see new location of page" and I would certainly appreciate it, even if it's onto a user subpage of mine. Maybe later I could return the favor somehow? I hope that this isn't asking too much.--Unfocused 17:44, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
 * OK I'll try and find the best place for it. Kappa 17:51, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I linked from the the consensus discussion to the poll, it should be OK for the moment at least. We'll have to accept some mess with these very similar debates happening simultaneously. Kappa 18:06, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Beyond Lies the Wub
Hi there! Actually i've never read the book, I just saw a friend reading it and liked the bizarre name so much. I'll probably get around to reading it someday though. :-) --the wub (talk) 09:22, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Guidelines
"So all guidelines are presumed to have consensus?" - well, yes. If you see a guideline and think there is insufficient consensus for it, you should consider marking it as 'how-to' or 'proposed' instead (if appropriate), or addressing the matter on its talk page or some place public such as the village pump. Since your viewpoint tends to diverge from mine, I would appreciate it if you could check Category:Wikipedia guidelines and see if there's anything there you deem controversial. Radiant_* 10:48, May 20, 2005 (UTC)

Random Page and Dreck
Yes, I saw your idea, and don't think it's a bad one. We could perhaps make random page only show articles that were longer than 2kb (or 4kb, or whatever) in length and had at least one external link.

I don't use random page much any more, but I used to use it for cleanup when I first started. I hit it twenty times just now, and was pretty impressed with the results. Six months ago I would have got quite a few stubs of tiny American villages (or cities, as they're optimistically known) or pokemon characters. This time I got none. I did get a few articles marked as "stub" but all were pretty good. One of the twenty articles was about a school. It was fine. No problems at all.

I don't think the random page button is a problem for stubs. Wikipedia is growing impressively. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:08, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to think that this is a problem off attitude that the Wikipedians in question can solve for themselves. It would be unwise to change Wikipedia just to appease their personal feelings, unless there really is a problem with Wikipedia--and I just don't see that at present.  This was what I was tryingto get across in my piece, that I think there's a tendency to shudder and say to yourself "what is an article on *this* subject doing in Wikipedia?"  I have learned to overcome that shudder and recognise that "I don't want (myself/others) to see this article when (I/they) come to Wikipedia" is a poor argument. I'd just press the button again. Nobody forces me to look at any article. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:31, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Hurriganes copyvio
This was listed as a copyvio on the May 9 and I deleted it on the May 17, no temp page was listed. Someone did rewrite it and is was tagged for speedy on the 20th and it is not the same text as the copyvio and it appears that noone has speedied it, I really have no idea what you are accusing me of, but lay off.--nixie 03:43, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I assumed it was standard practice to mention "listed as copyvio since (date)" when deleting things for that reason. Also the comments on the talk page confused me. Kappa 03:53, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

About a little school sub-stub
Hi mate. I've seen you many times in VFD for High Schools, and I need a bit of advice. I have just noticed this article: Teaneck High School. Obviously, as it stands now, it is horrible, but I think it might have some potential to grow into a decent article. Do you know of any place I can get this into attention without putting it in VFD? (which surely always gets a lot of attention...) Sarg 18:49, 23 May 2005 (UTC)


 * It got marked for speedy because it was linkspam. I did a very brief cleanup. Enough that it won't get speedied, at least. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:37, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tony. Actually this is what User:GRider/Schoolwatch is supposed to be for, but I'm not sure someone wouldn't swoop down on it. Kappa 20:18, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Gangsta Walk Award
Congratulations Dawg, you have just received the WHITE DAWG Gangsta Walk Award for your brave defense of all things crunk & thug. -BrowardDawgg 18:45, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

School discussion
Hi there! I've summarized the lengthy Schools discussion and listed the statements that got approval from most people. I believe it's been a constructive page, and WikiProject Schools has benefitted from the revitalization. Anyway please take a look at it and write on the talk page if you found this acceptable. Also I'd appreciate some help in keeping any future VfD discussions on this matter from getting out of hand (I'm not entirely sure how, but we could set a good example by casting concise votes referring to /Arguments). Yours, Radiant_* 11:00, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Best high schools
Thanks for making the Jefferson County International Baccalaureate School article and linking it to the Best High Schools list - I'm thinking of moving the list to the main article namespace - what do you think? -- BD2412  talk  16:15, 2005 May 30 (UTC)
 * It would definitely make an interesting article, especially if it discussed the criteria used and criticisms of it. Kappa 20:20, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Utada Hikaru Single Collection 1
Thanks for merging this; I added the "merge" tag more as a reminder to myself to do it, because I suddenly found that I had to dash to College, so it was nice to discover that I'd been saved a job. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 16:37, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Polydeism
Hi Kappa. Please vote on Votes for deletion/Polydeism. It was someone's vanity/original research article, but since it's been listed on vfd, I've put fair labor into making it a legit article. Cheers, -- BD2412 talk 02:07, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :-D -- BD2412 talk 05:53, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)

A little "have a look" suggestion
Considering you gave me a similar heads up recently, I thought you might enjoy Jimbo Wales's own comments regarding school articles and deletionism in general:

I inserted this into the page Schools/Arguments but don't expect the delete voters to ever see it there. -- Un focused  16:22, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I forgot to mention, I scarfed it from User Talk:Alkivar. Credit where due, and such. -- Un focused  16:25, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Good Luck
Hi Kappa - I just wanted to tell you I think your edits are top-notch. Thanks for your work on Wikipedia and good luck with your vote on administratorship. Johntex 13:35, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Overdue deletion of uncertified RfC
Kappa, on 10 APR 2005 an RfC was initiated that was never certified by two people. Since you were the subject of that RfC, I was wondering if you want it kept. If so, please let me know or edit the RfC's talk page to indicate your wishes. If you do not want it kept, I will delete it per policy. Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 05:45, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to move it to a user page, and delete the redirect? Kappa 15:34, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. The new location of that page is User:Kappa/Records, and the resulting redirects (page and talk page) have been deleted.  Of course, you may feel free to move/rename it from here as you choose.  SWAdair | Talk  04:40, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

school-district-stub?
I've suggested the creation of a specific school-district-stub tag over at WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria. You've been creating some school district articles recently, maybe you could comment. Kappa 18:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm currently tagging them with school-stub, and I think this is best. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:43, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VFD
Just letting you know about Votes for deletion/HYP (universities) 2. If you have an opinion, please vote. I am notifying people who have been active on either side of the debate. &mdash;Lowellian (talk) 23:49, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

First name disambiguation pages
I am coming to you because you voted on Votes for deletion/Alessandra. Following the listing of Alessandra for deletion, some users are now going through first name disambiguation pages throughout Wikipedia, seeking to either delete them or to remove names. These users cite the following text in the Disambiguation policy:


 * In most cases, do not list names of which Title is a part, unless the persons are very frequently referred to simply by their first or last name (e.g. Shakespeare, Galileo).

I believe that part of the policy should be changed. The reasons include those I've already stated in my comments on Votes for deletion/Alessandra. To elaborate further, I believe this policy is inherently contradictory to the policy on Redirect, which states that redirects should not be deleted if:


 * They aid searches on certain terms.
 * Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful — this is not because the other person is a liar, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways.

To see how this situation is similar to that for first-name disambiguation pages, we can consider the page Noam, which serves as a perfect example. Examining the page history of Noam, we see that the article started out as a redirect to Noam Chomsky (who is not commonly known by his first name). This page was then changed to a redirect to Noam Federman, at which point an edit war began between two users with the users changing the redirect back and forth between Noam Chomsky and Noam Federman. The obvious solution to this edit war, which I implemented, was to turn the redirect page into a disambiguation page for people named Noam.

By the logic of the policy quoted above on Redirect, the redirect should not be deleted. But that leads to disputes over the most famous usage of a particular name. Disambiguations prevent exactly this problem, yet by the logic of the policy quoted above from Disambiguation, the disambiguation page that solves this problem should be deleted!

This is why the policy stated above on Disambiguation is poorly-thought out and unacceptable. Would you be willing to join me in pointing out these concerns on the talk page for Disambiguation and working to change the policy so that first name disambiguation pages are acceptable? Please let me know. Thanks.

&mdash;Lowellian (talk) 13:20, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

gauze
hey thanks, i found some more info on the bands lineup, and i am pretty sure the band has toured in the US. i will keep you posted. Marxxxx 20:46, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC).

Pity
A pity that your RFA failed. But look at the bright side: a very clear majority of users here approve of what you're doing. I must say, I'm a bit uneasy with people touting "inclusionism" (or "deletionism" for that matter) as a reason for opposing adminship since I don't feel it ought to be a vote over "Wiki-Political" opinions. Ah well, I hope you'll try again later. I think that a good article to boast about in the main article namespace, and perhaps someone to sponsor your nomination (since self-noms are tougher) should do the trick. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:43, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, and especially thanks for defencing me in the RfA. I was also disappointed to see the 'extreme inclusionist' votes, but it's quite educational. Kappa 08:20, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll take it off but I just thought it was a bit mean to only bite RickK's RFA votes. Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:53, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * If you need something to balance it, you might want to take a look at Requests for adminship/Thryduulf. Kappa 08:17, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your support for Images of Feces. Can I also encourage you to register your vote on the Talk:Feces page? The vote is very close. The censors might ban all photos of poop. Eyeon 13:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Tongrentang
Kappa, thanks for your vote (and your comment) on Tong Ren Tang - but you forgot to sign it! -- BD2412 talk 00:41, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)

Wikipedia: How to do votes for deletion help
Thank you! YKahn 17:21, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem :) &#123;{welcome}} to wikipedia. Kappa 17:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin
Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. Since you've previously nominated yourself I added an '*' immediately before your name in this list. If for any reason you're NOT interested, my apologies and please remove the '*' (you could entirely remove yourself from the list also, if you'd like). I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:32, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL perhaps I should have waited instead of self-noming. Never mind... Kappa 19:44, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * On the other hand, there's no guarantee anyone will look at the list I'm putting together. It's actually generated some pretty direct criticism.  Seems like some folks assume most high edit users are by definition untrustworthy (which makes no sense to me, but I'm a pretty high edit user myself) - and I really don't get what "golden prose" has to do with being an admin.  Shouldn't folks who CAN write featured articles be slapped around for wasting time on RC patrol?  -- Rick Block (talk) 23:46, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

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Levocetirizine
On the Votes for deletion/Levocetirizine debate you voted "Keep, notable antihistimine. Vfd is not cleanup." You did notice that the reason I brought it to VFD was because it had been tagged for a speedy and I didn't agree with that, didn't you? Cheers, Sjakkalle (Check!)  28 June 2005 07:30 (UTC)
 * I was thinking someone might vote "delete unless expanded" or something. Thanks for taking it out of CSD. Kappa 28 June 2005 07:35 (UTC)

A first?
Is this the first time you have cast a swing delete vote? Well, perhaps it might be candidate for undeletion if some sources can be provided verifying the content of the article.

I will soon be taking an extended Wikibreak, so good luck if another RFA is opened for you while I'm gone. Maybe you can refer to that debate the next time someone calls you an "extreme inclusionist". :-) Sjakkalle (Check!)  1 July 2005 10:13 (UTC)
 * Occasionally I have to vote "delete" against other people's "keep"s if things look unverifiable, or are unencyclopedic definitions, random people etc. I'm pretty sure no sources will show up for that article... enjoy your wikibreak, I hope it's not too extended, wp needs friendly, diplomatic people like yourself. Kappa 1 July 2005 10:44 (UTC)

Dave Grohl
How do you know that dave went to Annandale High School? He was also a drop out

Dave Grohl
How do you know that dave went to Annandale High School? He was also a drop out. Jobe6 July 3, 2005 21:00 (UTC)
 * I got it from here but that seems to be wrong, thanks for spotting it. Kappa 3 July 2005 21:10 (UTC)
 * Also that's what it says in the Dave Grohl article... Kappa 3 July 2005 21:12 (UTC)

Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3
PBurka pointed out that an important omission from this proposal: a band could meet WP:MUSIC criterion #5 (sharing a member with a famous band) and still be speedily deletable by this criterion. I've added a sentence to the proposal to reflect this: it now reads ''An article about a musician or music group that does not assert having released at least one album, nor having had media coverage, nor having a member that is or was also part of a well-known music group. If the assertion is disputed or controversial, it should be taken to VFD instead.'' I believe you voted for different reasons, but you may want to vote on the alternative proposal as well. I'm sorry for the confusion. Yours, Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; July 5, 2005 09:59 (UTC)

CSD Proposal 3-B
You voted or commented on Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3-B or  Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3-A or both. I have proposed a revised version, at Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/3-C. This version is intended to address objections made by many of those oppsoed to 3-A or 3-B. The revised propsal refers explicitly and directly to the criteria at WP:MUSIC. If you have not already done so, please examine the revised proposal and vote on it also. Thank you. DES 6 July 2005 05:35 (UTC)

School VfD- a few thoughts
Hey, I just wanted to reply to your VfD comment (I thought that this would be a more appropriate place to do it. First off, Jimbo's comments also said that we would react differently if someone did 10000 one-liners. Well, a lot of schools that were listed for deletion were one-liners, and I think in those cases the nominators were jumped on rather unfairly by people reciting the "all schools are notable" credo.  Also, though Jimbo may be God-King, I don't treat his every comment as Gospel.  Secondly, from Vanity page (I know, it's just a guideline)- "Usually, vanity authors write about themselves, their significant others, or their high schools." Thus, I don't think all schools deserve the protection they're getting- IMHO, some of them are vanity. I don't view myself as a deltionist (feel free to disagree with my self-assessment), but I would like to see a greater emphasis on quality over quantity at Wikipedia. I think this push to include every school on the planet undermines that. Sorry for the rant, and don't worry, I'm not going to carry on the anti-school crusade as others have done. The community's opinion differs from my own, and I respect the consensus view. --Scimitar 6 July 2005 21:18 (UTC)
 * My point in using that quote was just relating to "vanity", because Jimbo explicitly used the example of writing about his own high school. With regard to quality vs quantity, I feel that widening and deepening wikipedia's coverage increases the total quality of information available, although it may make it harder to hit a top-quality article with "random page". Kappa 6 July 2005 21:26 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for removing User:Ril-'s bizarre disambig headers, and thank you generally for you steadfast support for articles on Bible verses. I'm not sure what you think about the related full text issue, but -Ril- has also just gone through Category:New Testament chapters removing all the Bible quotes. If you are going to go through that category removing the disambig headers you might consider restoring the text at the same time. - SimonP July 9, 2005 18:55 (UTC)
 * If you want the link to work, its User:-Ril-.     9 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)


 * Yes, on reflection the text probably belongs in some form because the individual sentences have been analysed. Kappa 9 July 2005 19:13 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I find the full text most useful as a table of contents to the verse articles. Without the text would be almost impossible for any but the very knowledgeable to find which verse of Matthew 5 contains "the meek will inherit the earth", for instance. - SimonP July 9, 2005 19:21 (UTC)
 * Note that "meek" means "keeps oneself to oneself", i.e. does not flood wikipedia with articles about bible chapters and verses.     9 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)

This is a note to inform you that proxy editing on behalf of a user to circumvent rules is forbidden by order of the arbitration committee. The above request by SimonP for you to revert the selected articles constitutes a request to proxy edit to circumvent the 3RR rule. 9 July 2005 19:26 (UTC)
 * I am not a "proxy editor", SimonP asked me to exercise my judgement, and I did so. However looking at the WP:3RR it says "the 3RR specifically does not apply to groups", perhaps that part should taken out. Kappa 19:52, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Undeletion
Why did you move to undelete Nudity in The Simpsons? There was little positive attention; even Keep voters thought it was trivia. I would prefer it forgotten. CanadianCaesar 23:59, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think wikipedia is here to share knowledge and not to forget it. Kappa 00:02, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

"Homophobia"
I'm a rather open gay guy, so your accusation of "homophobia" is just a bit...dumb, sweetie. I was making fun of you voting Keep on every lint ball under your sofa. Mike H (Talking is hot) 15:22, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Meh, never mind then. Kappa 21:45, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I assume that your comment in the VFD about Gay cruising grounds in Britain refers to your belief that I would somehow support gay bashing? What exactly makes you think so? - Skysmith 19:07, 14 July 2005 (UTC)¨
 * I don't think that, and I didn't mean to imply it. Kappa 21:45, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Comunlang VFD-2
You are receiving this notice due to a consideration that has come up during a VFD for the article Comunleng. As there was no clear consensus in Comunleng's previous VfD, it has been nominated again. Please see Votes for deletion/Comunleng 2 for comments. The Literate Engineer 01:14, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Cricket on VfD
Hiya. You previously voted 'keep' on the VfD for Nottinghamshire_v_Yorkshire_26_June_2005 and other subarticles of 2005 English cricket season. I just wanted to let you know that these pages have promptly been put back up for deletion, this time at Votes_for_deletion/Essex_v_Glamorgan_15_May_2005. Those of us who have worked on these articles would value your continued support. Thanks and best wishes. --Ngb 19:47, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes I already noticed that Vfd, and you have my continued support. Personally I think it will be a travesty if your work is lost. Kappa 21:14, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes -- sorry, I missed your 'keep' vote on the new page! Thanks for sticking with us. --Ngb 21:28, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Sunshine Coast Grammar School
I'm somewhat stung by your assertion that I bit a newbie when tagging this near-contentless article for speedy deletion. I go out of my way to help newbies. Tagging an article as a speedy isn't biting anyone. In fact, I voted to keep a school article earlier today, specifically Woodham High School. I would appreciate it if you'd reconsider your comment. Thanks. - Lucky 6.9 06:34, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I will have to give your statement "Tagging an article as a speedy isn't biting anyone" some thought, because it's entirely the opposite of my beliefs. Kappa 06:36, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to me. I appreciate your concerns and I'll certainly keep them in mind before pulling the trigger. - Lucky 6.9 00:57, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

No(ta)bility
Hi Kappa. It seems that I see your name most often when you vote to keep something and I vote to delete it, so we disagree more often than not -- but no hard feelings, I hope. Anyway, you might be amused by a look at Votes for deletion/Albrecht Prinz von Croy, where I find myself in a "keep" minority. There's something very screwy about this one -- but I can't put my finger on what it is, exactly. It doesn't bother me (I won't much care if the article survives or disappears), and indeed I find it rather funny somehow. (But how?)

No reason to reply; but if you'd like to reply, please do so here. -- Hoary 13:12, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Dolphin (Plymouth pub)
regarding this exchange on VfD/Dolphin:
 * Delete. It's still just a little pub, folks. Should we start an article for the footbridge in Monet's Water Lilies next? Fernando Rizo T/C 16:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep The pub is a landmark of the Plymouth waterfront. People all over Britain Instantly recognise her paintings.
 * Yeah, it's just a bridge, I guess no-one needs to know who designed it or what style it is. Ignorance is bliss. Kappa 17:08, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Nice personal attack, there. Fernando Rizo T/C 18:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Nice way to avoid responding... Kappa 18:57, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Your implication that I'm advocating ignorance is rude and un-called for. I am making the point that not every object in a painting is notable; that should be self-evident. I don't feel that I need to respond to your comment vis-a-vis the VfD debate because I think that my point still stands. If you want to debate the substance of my remark, by all means do so; don't call me ignorant. Fernando Rizo T/C 19:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not calling you ignorant, but I am saying you don't seem to care about other people's access to knowledge. Personally I would very much like to be able to find information about that bridge in wikipedia, and you want to deprive me of that. Thanks a lot. Kappa 19:07, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I hit a nerve with your deeply-held desire to learn more about the bridge in Water Lilies, but your comment was rude. You could have conveyed the same meaning with a much more civil sentence. I don't think there's anywhere else to go but down with this discussion, and from your tone I can't imagine that an apology is forthcoming. I'll read your reply but I consider this conversation finished after that. Fernando Rizo T/C 19:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Well I just want to say that editors of this encyclopedia deprive me of things I want to know about, it hurts. Kappa 19:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Schools argument
So now "don't bite the newbies" is an argument not to nominate articles for deletion? Last I checked the majority of articles nominated for deletion are by newbies; often they don't understand procedure very well, and don't know what material is appropriate for Wikipedia. I don't nominate school articles for deletion since I know that even micro-stubs will be defended by the pro-school movement. However, if someone nominates a school article based on the grounds that the article is poorly written, lacking in info, etc., they're well within their rights to do so. And anyone else who feels that the material is inappropriate for Wikipdeia is also within their rights to vote delete, even if it is written by a newbie. The '"don't bite" argument seems a trifle ridiculous to me. --Scimitar parley 15:52, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Since school articles and will be fixed and kept, we have the choice of being friendly and just doing so, and being unfriendly, nominating it for deletion, fighting about it, and keeping it anyway. The particular case when I mention "don't bite the newbies" as a reason for keeping is one where an article was tagged for speedy deletion, which is totally newbie-hostile since it gives no explanation or chance to respond. Kappa 16:00, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying.--Scimitar parley 16:04, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

RfC Tony Sidaway
This one caught me by surprise. I'm considering taking the issue of my practice as VfD closer to arbitration committee with a view to having myself de-opped (don't worry, I'd be quite happy as an editor so I'm not about to leave Wikipedia). Before I do that, though, I want to have some input on whether my approach to closing a VfD is really so unorthodox as to be beyond the reach of human understanding. --Tony Sidaway Talk 18:05, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Maoririder
Maoririder is adding nano-stubs on schools all over the place. I'm not putting them up for VfD, because I'd be yelled at by the pro-school crowd. I don't want to speedy them, since that would result in worse yelling, and I'm not fixing them because I don't have any interest in them and personally feel they aren't suitable for Wikipedia. Is there a place where you pro-school guys list school articles needing improvement? --Scimitar parley 17:24, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Try User:GRider/Schoolwatch. Kappa 18:03, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Scimitar parley 18:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks like Scimitar beat me to you. :) One of the nanostubs in question was at Andover Elementary School.  Real tiny place; no website.  Not much I could glean online, either.  Thought you might want to take a whack at standardizing it since you do far more school articles than I.  It's a serviceable stub for now, but only just.  Someone might very well do some RC patrolling and hit it with a VfD notice.  Oh, and thanks for the compliment on the Cloverhill Bakery VfD.  I really appreciate it. - Lucky 6.9 23:32, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Keller Williams
Hi. On what grounds doesn't Keller Williams Realty not meet the speedy deletion criteria? This is pure advertising Tonywalton 15:34, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

VfD for Politics1.com
I have noticed that you often vote keep. Maybe you want to could take look at this VfD? Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Politics1.com ;) Punkmorten 18:10, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I nearly missed that one... the media coverage proves it's notable, its a good example of the failure of the google test. Kappa 18:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

List of schools in Twickenham
He's also merging some schools in List of schools in Twickenham. --Tony Sidaway Talk 13:10, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Personal issue with me
Kappa, consider this an olive branch. I don't know why you took our disagreement from the other week so personally, but I've put it behind me. You obviously haven't. Let's start over and be friends, huh? I'm really not a bad guy, and just because we see things differently over at VfD doesn't mean we should be sniping at each other. I invite you to look through my edit history and find ANYTHING that you think remotely approaches "bad faith." Let's be cool. Fernando Rizo T/C 04:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't have a personal issue with you, but you tagged something as "nonsense" when it clearly identified itself as fictional. If you are not familiar with the criteria for speedy deletion, please don't use the tags. Kappa 04:47, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Kappa, my nomination obeys the spirit of speedy delete. You're absolutely correct in that it does not obey the letter of the law, so to speak. However, maybe a friendly note on my talk page would have served to instruct me otherwise, as opposed to an edit summary accusing me of bad faith. Fernando Rizo T/C 04:53, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright, you had good intentions in stretching the rules, but please try to follow them more closely, there are good reasons why it says "a few, limited cases". Kappa 05:54, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Niue stub
That is one nice comeback on what was otherwise a useless sentence. It's categorized, taxoboxed and actually useful now. Thanks for jumping in. - Lucky 6.9 17:37, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Zheng Ji Vote for Deletion: Possible Compromise
I've read the Mandarin article on him, and that way that is written, I can see why you think he's notable and I agree with you. However, the way the English article is written is almost an insult to his apparent importance in the Mandarin article, and it either needs to be cleaned up or deleted at best; I think we should delete the English and translate the Mandarin to replace it. What do you think? Karmafist 17:55, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Speedy Deletin
Kappa, last night I tagged a number of articles that seemed to be vanity or to have little to no information in them; clearly I did not understand the criteria for speedy deletion and will refrain from using the tag so freely. My apologies. Semiconscious ( talk  ·  home) 17:35, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Preschools
General consensus seems to disagree with you. See Village Preschool of Saratoga. Gateman1997 06:43, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * What is your POINT? Kappa 06:46, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * My POINT is I'm trying to garner some form of sane consensus from the community, but it seems to be all over the board. If Village preschool is not worthy of an article then why is this school. They are both northern California preschools or minimal note. It's very fustrating when trying to create articles.Gateman1997 06:48, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't vote to delete that, and you voted to keep it, so your question is puzzling. Vfd isn't about things being "worthy of an article", it's about the information being verifiable and within wikipedia's scope and capacity. Kappa 07:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Palo Alto Montessori School
Hi Kappa, I've been trying to cut back my non-essential bloating of VfD (especially school ones) so I'm putting my question here instead of there. You wrote "Wikipedia is not communist." Is that what you meant to say? Communist like communist? brenneman (t) (c) 07:19, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I mean that the fact that an article is about a commercial entity is not a reason to delete it. Kappa 07:22, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Is it your contention that an article about any commercial product or company, regardless of its notability, should have an article? Is there a line you would draw? Zoe 08:10, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is a line, but it's in roughly the same place for public and private entities - they should be covered if they are important enough for an encyclopedia with unlimited space. Kappa 12:33, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

(Sorry to ignore you here, Zoe) Thanks Kappa, I was pretty sure that was what you meant, but wanted to give you a chance to elaborate before the whole discussion was over a single word. Gamaliel was too quick for me, though. ^_^ brenneman (t) (c)  10:26, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for replying, Kappa, and I'm seriously on a quest for understanding. Where do you, personally, draw the line? What makes a Montessori school with maybe 25 students worth having an article on? Zoe 19:07, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not a question of "worth having an article on", it's a question of "is this information worth sharing?". If it's not "worth it's own article", it can be moved somewhere else, assuming it's not deleted. Kappa 00:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * So where do you draw the line? You said above, "they should be covered if they are important enough for an encyclopedia with unlimited space.", how do you define important?  Zoe 20:51, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Shlomi Harif
As far as I am concerned, Shlomi Harif meets the A7 criterion. Googling for that name gets 235 hits, many of whom are not the same person. Harif's writing may have been published in magazines, but this is not an indicator of notability; I am a published writer and I do not expect an article in Wikipedia. Harif's claim to fame seems to be having published chapbooks. It did not take long for me to learn that a chapbook is a home-published book, using your own computer and printer. I think this is not the Oxford Press.

Because you have raised a concern, I will undelete this article. Please visit VfD for further input. Denni &#9775; 23:41, 2005 August 10 (UTC)

FYI, a chapbook may or may not be home-published. a professionally printed and separately bound pamphlet is often called a chapbook particualrly when intended for sepcial limnited distributution. Special printings of a single story by the guest of honor at major SF conventions (for convention distribution only) are typically considered chapbooks. The key elements are that a chapbook is of small physical extent, having fewer bages than an normal book, and it is a special publication for limited distribution. Taht last meas it generally fails to establish notability, of course. many chapbooks contain content by notable authors, but they were notable before the chapbooks were published. DES (talk) 13:27, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Dying to Live video answer
Well, thanks a lot, but my sources told me that this video has been released at 2002. ;) Am I right? Ho&#322;ek &#1161; 14:31, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, checked. I was wrong. Again thanks about new video info :) Ho&#322;ek &#1161; 14:35, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Tagging Mergers for Deletion
Where is my brain today, sorry about that. Won't happend again (I hope).... :) Usrnme h8er 16:56, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

PC Check
This article has already been deleted after a VfD. See Votes for deletion/PC Check. The original user just recreated the article with the same content. Shouldn't it be a speedy? Thanks. --Ragib 21:08, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh OK. Please put that as a reason in a db tag, or you can use Db-repost. I put a speedy tag back on the article. Kappa 21:44, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Sure, I forgot to put the reason in the speedy tag. Thanks for adding the tag properly. --Ragib 22:07, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

First Choice
You're right...my bad. I didn't Google it closely enough and I got no relevant hits. Doing it more carefully scored. I'll put it back. - Lucky 6.9 00:23, 13 August 2005 (UTC)


 * All finished. It's still stubby, but at least it's formatted.  Thank you for pointing out my error. - Lucky 6.9 00:28, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Yup. I did. Oh, well. No biggie. I just wish a certain unnamed user would back off my case. I'm only human, this is only data and I think the guy could use a summer vacation. :) - Lucky 6.9 01:10, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Radio stations
OK, but still the article is painfully short and void of info-contest-link to and from it... your choice however :) --Raistlin 12:27, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing your point of view.
With respect to your exchange on Votes for deletion/Watch/schoolwatch, I have no doubts about your ability to remain civil in the face of unprovoked criticism. Although we cast opposing votes from time to time, I (and many others) value your perspective in VfD, and your contribution to Wikipedia. I therefore award you this minor barnstar for your tireless contribution to vfd debate. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 18:47, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Invitiation to WP:PAC
I saw your keep vote on Votes for deletion/Grudges in the Pokemon anime, and, while that article's a lost cause, you might want to come over to WP:PAC and see what you can do. We're currently engaged in reorganizing, cleaning up, and expanding the Pokémon-related articles on Wikipedia. I hope to see you there! - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 20:50, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Speedy Delete Abuse?
Did I abuse the Speedy Delete? If so, I did in good faith. Paul, in Saudi 03:27, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Sphaera Mundi
This article among others is involved in a dispute between Www.wikinerds.org and UninvitedCompany which appears to be progressing to RFC. It would be useful to have the history of the original Sphaera Mundi article, is it possible to restore it? NoSeptember 13:20, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please be civil on this issue and read UninvitedCompany's talk page (right above your comment) before accusing him of anything. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 13:29, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't accuse him of anything, I just explained that the deletion did not fit the criteria. Kappa 13:32, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I am well aware of the CSD. I deleted the page under the critereon "Any page which is requested for deletion by the original author, provided the author reasonably explains that it was created by mistake, and the page was edited only by its author." While there were other editors in the edit history, they added no substantive content, and since the original author seems quite upset over the this page and several related maters, it seemed to me that the least I could do was comply with his request. I believe I linked my talk page from the delete "reason," where the user left a lengthy rant concerning the deletion of the page. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 13:39, 14 August 2005 (UTC)


 * What I said to User:UninvitedCompany was "I'm not going to revert this page. It's the last time I re-add my attribution notice. If you remove again the attribution please delete the article". As long as the GFDL authorship attribution and a link to the original location is included in the Sphaera Mundi article, then it doesn't need to be deleted, and I'm happy to see it in Wikipedia. Www.wikinerds.org 13:52, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for helping Wikipedia to become a better place by properly implementing its citation policies! Www.wikinerds.org 14:08, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Unhelpful
Kappa, if two people are in a dispute then it is not helpful to jump in and make snide remarks. Radiant_ &gt;|&lt; 09:56, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Accusing me of making "snide remarks" is uncivil. ad hominem responses to people questioning your actions as an admin are not compatible with that status. I was also wondering about your early closing of that Vfd, I would have liked to seen a reasoned response to Tony's remarks. Kappa 10:01, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Since you know more about this stuff than I do...
Jacob Neusner bibliography has been deleted after two VfD debates, both ending with Keep results. I was wondering if this is allowed. Seems odd to me. CanadianCaesar 04:27, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

It is not allowed to arbitrarily overrule a "keep" result of a VFD debate, and the deleter was also the nominator. I have therefore speedy undeleted the article as an obviously invalid and out of process deletion, and informed Jfdwolff. Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:07, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

csd
Hey, sorry for the mistake. I'd speedied things as website adverts before, I thought it was OK. I'll be more careful and use VfD for borderline cases. Friday (talk) 01:06, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Likewise. I was trying to delete a nonsensical redirect to the "oral sex" article. I noticed that I was deleting the main article and I thought I caught it before it happened. Thanks for putting it back. It was an honest mistake. - Lucky 6.9 07:11, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, redirects are tricky like that, never mind. Kappa 07:15, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


 * You da man. Thanks again.  :) - Lucky 6.9 07:19, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

If you disagree, perhaps Point (topology) isn't a candidate for CSD. But look at the listing. It's at most a definition, created by an unregistered user, and the text hasn't been touched in the 14 months it's been there. And it's misnamed, as I noted in my change to the Point disambiguation page. It applies to vector spaces in linear algebra, and abstract geometry (which we don't have anything on the the geometry section. Arthur Rubin 12:29, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought I changed the Point disambiguation page. Arthur Rubin 12:48, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I did -- there's a weird cache problem when I access Wikipedia from home. (I know it's bad etiquette to change text on someone else's talk page, even one's own post, but the text is only here because I thought it wasn't there.) Arthur Rubin 16:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Erdini Qoigyijabu, 11th Panchen Lama
I think it should be a speedy delete, but will defer to your call because I don't fully understand why it doesn't qualify as a speedy.--Biff Dong 00:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikistalking guideline proposal
Greetings - We're currently working on a wikistalking guideline proposal to reflect that the Arbitration Committee has deemed this to be a bannable offense. I'm trying to get community input to help develop this article. If you have a moment please drop by stalking and make any applicable changes to the article or post any suggestions you may have on the talk page. Thanks! Rangerdude 19:26, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

We'll start with you stalking my edits. Putting that useless Mary Jane (shoe) article back up without expanding it is a slap in the face. That was deleted under a valid rule. Please stop this. I appreciate you wanting to include as much info as possible, but this is ridiculous. If I sound upset, I am after going through that garbage with NoPuzzleStranger. I respect your edits. Please respect mine. - Lucky 6.9 03:54, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not watching your edits, I'm watching the deletion log. That Mary Jane (shoe) article was not useless, I learned something from it (never heard of them before), and I don't know what rule you think justifies deleting it, since it has both content and context. That was a valid stub on a valid topic, and should remain there until someone more knowledgeable comes along to expand it. Kappa 04:05, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I was going by the criterion that talks about articles with little or no content. Sorry if I came off as hostile...didn't mean to. I seem to have inadvertently "adopted" a rather unique user, if you know who I mean. I was trying to juggle some of his rather weird requests and I guess I was just a bit irritated. - Lucky 6.9 07:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm it's funny how many people think "little or no content" is a criterion. Good luck with your "unique user". Kappa 07:43, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

My talkpage, thanks
Hi Kappa! Thanks for reverting my talkpage. I seem to have been hit pretty bad the last few days, so its nice to see others looking out while I'm off guard. I think 5 e-mails which I received looking somewhat like this were from the same person. Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Your comments
Thanks Kappa, I was surprised at the degree of energy that the only user who has expressed any personal opinion about my name appears to have, honestly, my available time for this project is limited, and I would rather spend it on writing and editing articles that playing internet games with people who appear to have too much time on their hands and want to pick fights over others' usernames. Hope to see you around, Trollderella 17:08, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Lonely lil' school stub
Good evening! I just stumbled upon a school substub that you might want to take a look at: Hasbrouck Heights High School. Saw you over on new pages and thought I'd drop by and alert you to this. - Lucky 6.9 06:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Greatest Love of All
About your new article Greatest Love of All, did you realise that there is already an article about the song at Greatest Love Of All? It appears that according to naming conventions (capitalization, the "of" should be lower case, and should be the main article. Do you mind if I try to merge the articles, and fix the capitalization issue? Thanks. Graham 07:00, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Please go ahead and merge them. Kappa 07:01, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. It is now on wp:rm Graham 07:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Question on notability
If a single article makes someone notable, does that mean that I am notable and should have an entry for myself ?  Just wondering and trying to understand criteria for creating and keeping articles. Groeck 01:04, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't remember saying that a single article makes someone notable, perhaps you could refresh my memory. Kappa 01:14, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Guess it was the claim that it was "in all canadian news sites at the time" that made it notable, then. So maybe I would need to claim that I was all over the news at some point in the past to be notable ? Never mind. Groeck 02:53, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Trollderella again
Hi Kappa. In case you haven't noticed, Ed Poor decided to go ahead and change the username "Trollderella" to "EnduraceFan". You might want to pay another visit to Requests for comment/User names/Trollderella.

It is not common that I unblock people, because it involves second-guessing another administrators decision. I brought it first to WP:AN/I and after Everyking agreed with me that such a block was inappropriate, I went ahead and unblocked that account. One might say that Everyking saying that a block is inappropriate is quite predictable, but no other users stepped in to say that the block was appropriate.

Perhaps I was perhaps a bit harsh when making the strong admonition that Trollderella reconsider the name, but I still have a feeling that choosing that name is asking for trouble, I am not unprejudiced enough to be able to honestly say that such a name doesn't make me uneasy. Nonetheless, if Trollderella likes that name and wants to keep it, I will support his or her right to do so. Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:36, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you were right to unblock the account and I thank you for doing so.


 * On this issue I'm happy to see that the overwhelming majority of wikipedians are prepared to tolerate a name which may make them uncomfortable but has a good-faith interpretation. Actually in a way it makes wikipedia a richer place, like the way Uncle G's user page used to be a redlink. Kappa 09:25, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Article deletion note
You voted previously to keep the article Rogers Cadenhead. You may have changed your mind now that the author has admitted to writing the article himself “as an experiment.” He himself says, “I am somewhat eager to see this vote end with my deletion.”

Articles_for_deletion/Log/2005_August_29

--Quasipalm 17:08, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * As he himself says "I'm probably notable enough for inclusion here". Kappa 18:40, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Well then it must be true! Eh, whatever, I've lost interest.  Next time you see a vanity article, you've no one to blaim but yourself.  ;-)  --Quasipalm 20:45, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Impersonator
Hi Kappa. It appears that one of your articles (Windsor North School) is up for VFD again, nominated by an entirely new user, User:Kapa. That username has got to be an impersonation attempt so I have blocked it. Sjakkalle (Check!)  10:50, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for keeping an eye on things. Kappa 11:06, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Speedy deletions
Hi there! I'm glad someone is looking over my speedy deletes. I just restored all the pages so you can take a look:


 * 1) Graham Kavanagh
 * 2) Lee McCulloch
 * 3) Hurricane relief in Florida

Please let me know your thoughts on them? Thanks! --HappyCamper 21:40, 3 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Alright, we'll keep those then, and hopefully see them grow into better articles! --HappyCamper 21:54, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Good call on that "Chrissy Moran" thing. One redirect, coming up. - Lucky 6.9 06:13, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Music single
Hi. I notice that you make lots of articles for music singles, therefore you must be interested in the subject. Someone has now nominated a single for deletion, see Articles for deletion/No Reason. Thought you might know something about the subject. Punkmorten 21:34, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

TCS Victory
Hi Kappa. On Articles for deletion/TCS Victory (2nd nomination) you wrote "keep per Bryan, and note that "NN, D" is extremely newbie-hostile." Don't worry, I have graduated past the level of "newbie" by now, I can take it... :-) Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:09, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Guyana
Nice work on the Guyana geographical stuff. At least there's one area we agree on keeping -- geographical features (though I don't consider bus stations geographical features). :) Zoe 08:15, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Nominating Schools
I'm going to locate/create a centralized discussion. Please hold your thought! - brenneman (t) (c)  23:18, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Chuukese language
Hi, I've totally re-written Chuukese language. You may want to reconsider your vote at Articles for deletion/Chuukese language accordingly. Thanks! --Angr/undefined 06:44, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Alleged causes of Hurricane Katrina
This deletion debate is driving me crazy - I think some folks are missing the big picture on it. What say you, Kappa? -- BD2412 talk 19:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Derek and Anuschka
Please consider voting here for the same reasons you voted here. Cheers from Brazil. Doidimais Brasil 00:21, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. Kappa 00:33, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you =). Cheers. Doidimais Brasil 01:59, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Janelle Pierzina
I'm not sure if you know or not, but just in case, I thought I would mention the vote-for-deletion has restarted from scratch at Articles for deletion/Janelle Pierzina 2. This is because some complained about discounting of some "keep" votes, which caused the last AFD to result in a "re-direct". So, I hope you choose to revote. Thanks. --rob 14:43, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank! :)
thank youu for hleping me on my Rudolf Kastner article. I might do a little cocaine later tonight to help me with my writing I plan on writing all night actually now i'm back.Wiki brah 02:01, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


 * LOL you're welcome. I don't think the cocaine is very good for your typing though. Kappa 02:10, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi can you pleaes give me some feedback and hepme with this neu article i'm working on its called Anal sex in NYC or something along dose lines and the so far i have:

Contrary to popular perceptions of New York City as a hotbed of debauchery, I have it on pretty good confidence that a lot of women there while they are perfectly will;ing to sleep with you on the first date (or even after just meeting you), they don't like to have anal sex on such the first date. In fact, it might be pretty much out of the question from what I see.

While this might sound too uptight for most of us, the upside to New York City is that there are a lot of really hot Jewish women in New York, like even the blonde ones are Jewish there, and blonde Jewish chicks is my favorite.

Please tellme what u tinkWiki brah 15:04, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Edge Hill State School
Hi, If you wanted to be WP:BOLD and merge this article into a larger one as you suggest at its VFD I would support such a move. No doubt there is a little info on this school that could enhance another article, I just don't think there is enough for this to stand on its own no or in the future.Gateman1997 01:16, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I assume you are referring to St Anthony's. The info contained in the stub already exists in the region's article. And there is a miniscule amount of info beyond what's in that stub. The School only gets 115 hits on Google and half of those point to the stub or copies of the stub.Gateman1997 18:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Moving on from schoolwatch
Thought you might be interested.


 * Wikipedia_talk:Watch/schoolwatch

Five months is enough, and I have other things to do. --Tony Sidaway Talk 19:49, 14 September 2005 (UTC)