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Why are you changing these times, since you're not using edit summaries. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 02:01, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I am changing the times because they are wrong. I am also providing single version lengths as well. Also, some never had any running times. I am not trying to screw anything up on here. Music is my passion and I hate when things like time length or when an article needs updating. I know what I am doing. I hope this answers your question. Karaokelegend (talk) 23:22, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

October 2021
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Dreams (Van Halen song), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 02:17, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Sacrifice (Elton John song), you may be blocked from editing. Muhandes (talk) 09:42, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I had to spend two hours reverting all those unsourced edits. I apologize if I over-reverted, but I had to address your systematic disregard of the most basic policy. I'm sure having so many of your contributions reverted is not fun for you either, so please stop. Only add material with reliable sources. Have fun editing. --Muhandes (talk) 10:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Cash-Box/90s/1990/CB-1990-04-07.pdf

This is the source that I used for the peak of Sacrifice.

I have always strived to put correct information to any Wikipedia article. I would NEVER do any kind of editing that would hurt any article. Music has always been my passion and anything I decide to add has been in good faith. If you want to add this to the article, please do since I’m still new at contributing. --karaokelegend (talk) Karaokelegend (talk) 00:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Karaokelegend. Nowhere in any of my messages have I ever hinted that you have anything but the purest intentions. Your will, passion and effort to improve articles have always been received by me with appreciation. However, adding material or correcting facts without a reliable source does not improve articles, to the contrary, it deteriorates the quality of existing material. This is one of the most basic policies of Wikipedia. I truly hope that you continue to contribute, but this time, follow the guidelines for citing sources and you can also use this how-to guide. As an example, I restored the edit you made on Sacrifice (Elton John song) with appropriate sourcing. Looking forward to see more of your contributions, and happy editing! --Muhandes (talk) 08:09, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

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I don’t post incorrect info, ok? Thank you. Karaokelegend (talk) 01:13, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Links pointing to the disambiguation page Cashbox
Hi Karaokelegend. Thanks for starting to edit using sources, it is much appreciated. I noticed above that you disabled bot notices about disambiguation pages, but you keep making them. You add links to Cashbox when you want to leave a link to Cashbox. Other editor need to clean this up after you. Please see WP:PIPE on how to use pipes, or simply add the code Cashbox if you want to link correctly. Happy editing. --Muhandes (talk) 11:40, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I am so sorry. I thought I was directing it to the magazine. Also, I hope the Cashbox book I use to look up chart positions is good. If you need me to start putting down the page number, I can although I would assume since the book is done automatically that they can find the page for themselves. Thanks for your patience and guidance as it means a lot. I did fix a link last night. The link was supposed to take you to the grin and bear it (film) but instead took you to the non-related comic strip. Karaokelegend (talk) 03:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for communicating back and for your willingness to improve. I would personally recommend not to deny the DPL bot messages. I am editing for 14 years now and I sure make disambiguation mistakes, so I consider it a blessing that the bot lets me know. You can always delete the messages from your talk page afterwards. As for using a book as a source, that is a great source and listing page numbers is required. If you have any questions I'd be happy to assist. --Muhandes (talk) 10:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Believe it or not, I’ve been editing almost that long. I have another account with those numbers and periods after them but I may have created this account because I thought maybe I didn’t have an account. Lord knows with me. I thought maybe I did edits without an account at first. I know you can’t now tho. So starting now, I’ll be including page numbers with my book source. I have the correct way to do it under my notes so I can cut and paste then provide page number. I have also fixed the Cashbox link problem as I was trying to use a book source with all the things included in it. Im sorry for not ever including them as I have relied on a page that has copies of all of the Cashbox magazines instead of having the book by me.

This is the link I use although sometimes I use another that someone else sourced that takes you to the chart for that specific week.

https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Cash-Box-Magazine.htm

This is the other one I use that only has a listed of the weekly singles and albums as well as yearly singles and albums. I couldn’t find like a home page but this gets you in the website and you can also click on different decades to find anything you want.

https://tropicalglen.com/Archives/50s_files/50s.html

In closing, I recently expanded info on Austin Theory. The original person never used a source so I provided one, however there’s an issue at the end saying I ignored something. I also looked up the code to allow bots and used a blank talk page and pasted it so I dunno if I’ve fixed it as I haven’t been back to the entry since doing all this and messaging you. If for some reason, I couldn’t fix it or I still have the bots disabled, please tell me how to fix it. Im sorry to be such a bother and again I really appreciate you advising me on the proper way to include sources. I did use the previous source someone used as a guideline to include the web source and I did it exactly as they did so I dunno what I did wrong but as I said I will try to fix it. Just please check that Austin Theory entry to see if I fixed it or not. Thank you so so much.

Karaokelegend (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

I fixed it. If you do decide to look, the previous two web sources were done differently causing my confusion as to the proper layout. I ended up using the example of the first source when I unintentionally was looking at both causing this confusion. Im guessing either of those two ways are correct and I will also cut and paste my web source to properly do any future ones. Im guessing I also unblocked the bots too. Sorry I got so confused but I have learned a lot more today. It’s just that I have ADHD and it takes me longer for me to learn things that’s if I don’t get frustrated with it and give up but I am trying to not give up as much and take my time to be calm so I can do whatever I did and be able to fix the mistake, Karaokelegend (talk) 19:42, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

I need a favor from you. So I was on the Culver’s wiki page. I updated the number of stores using the source but the number never changed when I looked for restaurants that were coming soon as someone previously had mentioned.

Someone also had put their employee count of 20,000. I checked the link and could not find anything on an employee count. The link is posted on the edits page. I also found who was responsible for providing this info and its Fry Boy something. I can’t look now since I’m on this page. I looked at the talk page and noticed he had been responsible for some false info and no source links. I did message him for him to find a better source if he was able but I guess I should’ve come to you first. I hope I didn’t mess anything up by what I did. I just didn’t want that on the page if in fact it’s incorrect but in my opinion I think he just picked that part of the Culver’s website regarding employees and just made up a number. The link is an employee portal plus just has info about things they do and classes. Karaokelegend (talk) 22:40, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

allowing bots now
Karaokelegend (talk) 18:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Final warning for unsourced or poorly-sourced edits
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I could’ve sworn the source said 6 stores with 4 in the US. I see their website says they have 6 outside the US. It was a simple mistake on my part. I wasn’t trying to be “disruptive” and am offended I’m being accused. I saw the talk page with someone being uncaring and insulting. I’ve never had any warnings from you at nor ever exchanged messages. Maybe you’re mixed up with someone else. People on here have helped me significantly on being a better editor and it’s much appreciated. I hope you know now that it wasn’t meant to be “disruptive.” Karaokelegend (talk) 23:01, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Barnstar
Karaokelegend (talk) 06:36, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

The Small Town Hero Barnstar
Thank you so much! I’ve learned a lot on here! Karaokelegend (talk) 20:40, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Above_and_beyond_barnstar.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Above_and_beyond_barnstar.png

Based on my additional information on the history of Covington, Va. and by adding 2 extra sources to the article. Karaokelegend (talk) 17:14, 29 June 2022 (UTC) Karaokelegend (talk) 17:14, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

November 2022
Please do not use styles that are nonstandard, unusual, inappropriate or difficult to understand in articles, as you did in Let Her Cry (song). There is a Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. ''See MOS:CAPS and MOS:NOBR. All of this can be avoided if you just change running times without messing with the formatting.'' ResPM  (T&#x1F508;&#x1F3B5;C) 11:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

I understand that I can’t capitalize Single, Album, Version, Radio, Edit, Fade, Promo, Remix, Extended and so on and so on. Not your rule.

The style you use in separating the running times, I hardly have ever seen. I’ve seen styles like this (and this time I won’t be using capitalization).and putting the album version first and any other versions after. Maybe because album comes before single? I like listing it first.


 * 4:00 (album version)
 * 5:02 (single version)

4:00 (album version) 5:02 (single version)

I’ve seen other styles. I hope both these formats are fine. If so, I get the message. I’m human and tend to fudge up once in awhile but I always mean well and try to do my part in contributing to various articles and providing reliable sources. I have only one Barnstar. No one ever praises me for adding info on places such as Centralia, Virginia, which is where I live.

Inappropriate and hard to understand? Seriously, in what way? I think I am owed an apology for your choice of words. I didn’t deface the article. I would never ever do that. You’ve been on here for years and therefore should know how to talk to other contributors on here when they make honest mistakes. You’re gonna wind up ticking off the wrong person by doing this. I’m sorry that I didn’t know what I did was wrong. I am very angry and hurt. This was the last thing I needed to wake up to. You’ve also instilled fear on whether I should contribute anymore so congratulations. Karaokelegend (talk) 14:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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Columns on discographies
Hello. Please do not add more than 10 columns to wikitables on discographies per the widely followed example of WP:DISCOGSTYLE as more than 10 columns crowds tables, cannot fit on a screen on some devices, and is an WP:ACCESSIBILITY concern. You have added the US Cashbox peaks to several discographies in the past several months exacerbating the problem of already overstuffed tables. You are well within your rights to add Cashbox chart positions and whichever other competing magazines there were several decades ago in the US to song and album articles, but time has shown the Billboard charts, still being published, to be the standard, and this is widely reflected on discographies as the standard column and source for US chart positions. Additionally, many Cashbox peaks are very similar to the US Billboard peaks and for these reasons are redundant as another measure for an artist's US chart success. I see that your edits on at least one other discography have been reverted since you added it, so I'm not the only editor who has had a concern with this. Please also note WP:ACCESS is a Wikimedia policy, and overstuffing tables and making them hard to read with more data that runs off a table on some devices definitely violates this, so while you might not like it, you are obligated to follow it. Thanks.  Ss  112   05:35, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. This is the first time I’ve heard about the 10 columns rule. I am sorry and wasn’t doing it unintentionally. I get why it’s an important rule and why I’m “obligated to follow it.”
 * Cash Box and Record World left Billboard a monopoly. Cash Box and Billboard have both been accused of chart manipulation. Here is one such article about it:
 * https://www.ask.com/culture/billboard-charts-music-industry
 * I agree Cash Box and Billboard chart peaks are similar “at times”, but don’t always share the same #1 songs. Prince and Madonna have done better on Cashbox with more of their songs going to #1. Examples are Prince’s “Purple Rain” and Raspberry Beret” and Madonna’s “Material Girl” and “Cherish.” It’s also true with Billboard. Therefore, something that’s not “redundant.” If you want to get technical, a songs debut, the “week” of its chart peak and total weeks on chart vary.
 * The reverted edits were only on wiki pages without a source provided. When I was told what I was doing was wrong, I provide a source. I still run across chart positions with no source and I may think to cite one for accuracy and being helpful.
 * Speaking of helpful, I contributed on many Wikipedia entries. I got a Barnstar for one contribution where I added extra info. All other messages mention my violations and consequences. You could’ve recognized a positive contribution of mine somewhere in the message you sent. Instead, it was something I knew nothing about (but understand how important it is) and something I’ve since corrected. For me, being recognized for something I did that was positive, just inspires and makes me happy that some of the things I do are appreciated. Right now, what’s the point? All I get are messages attacking me in some way. Karaokelegend (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Karaokelegend, I never said you added unsourced contributions. I acknowledged that you have contributed positively by saying your additions of Cashbox peaks to song articles are fine. I never claimed your additions were in bad faith. I thought you might not have been aware of the guidelines around limits to discography columns so was just letting you know. I saw your response to a message above and thought you might react defensively and say "well why not?" so hence why I worded my message the way I did towards the end, but I was not and am not attacking you. As for Cashbox, I understand it has valid applications and that yes, Billboard now for better or worse has a monopoly on publication American music charts, but they are still generally considered what's best/the standard now as the only enduring publication. If a discography wikitable had fewer than 10 columns, like for an act that didn't chart well outside of the US, you'd be well within your rights to add a Cashbox or Record World column.  Ss  112   02:27, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Ss112, it takes awhile for me to compose a reply. My words can be taken the wrong way and I’ll clarify. You brought up the reverted edits. I’ve since corrected that. I know I’m fine to add chart positions to song and album articles. I don’t see anything where I was thanked for my past contributions. It is true I didn’t know the guidelines regarding the limits to discography columns and again thank you for bringing it to my attention.
 * The things I said referred to other users. I never blamed nor said anything about unsourced contributions or things I added that were in good faith. I just wanted to let you know how some other users have messaged me and that some attack and threaten what might happen if I do it again. I don’t take anything negatively from other users, so yes I’ll get defensive.
 * Let me add that I don’t mind anyone telling me I’m not following a certain rule. I also welcome anyone suggesting things I can do in an easier way. I take things like that as helpful and not as negative criticism. I hope this clears up any misunderstandings you have. Thank you. Karaokelegend (talk) 02:52, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

List of one-hit wonders in the United States
Twice now you've removed entries from the list, citing Billboard 100. Twice now I've restored the entries, because the local inclusion criteria is based on media observations, not on Billboard 100 stats. There was a request for comment back in 2017 at Talk:List_of_2010s_one-hit_wonders_in_the_United_States which was unanimous for using two media references per entry rather than Billboard stats.

If you feel strongly about the issue, you could start a new RfC. Binksternet (talk) 19:38, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Look. My thing is this: it makes no sense to cite opinionated sources that contradict each other instead of using factual information, such as the Billboard charts. A one hit wonder should only be based on an artist with one song that hit the Top 40. Granted, some songs that charted below the 40, have risen in popularity over the years, and should be included such as The Waitresses "I Know What Boys Like."  I'm not starting another topic just to battle editors that pays nothing.  Karaokelegend (talk) 11:30, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

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 * Others use Discogs as a source for running times, before or at end of the article.I even see where they list the company and label number, A & B sides, running times and so on. This is the first time I was told this, so you can't say my edits are disruptive.To me, disruptive would be sabotage on a page or posting an inappropiate picture. What's the problem using Discogs. Have you ever used it? Regardless, there are pics of the items. When a submission is added, that person needs to take pics and a reason for submission. It's then voted on whether it's a valid submission.I've made many contributions and there's help if I need it, therefore in my opinion, it's a very reliable site. So, what do I use instead of Discogs? Why do you always recognize my mistakes and NEVER anything I've done right? I understand you want to help, but I'm sure you've looked at my history. I've replaced dead links, added info to an article with an appropiate source, even got a Barnstar. I don't want to come across as mean, but this is how I honestly feel. I may not be always right, but in this situation, I was. I also feel threatened when you say I may lose my privileges. My contributions will say otherwise in how much I have contributed on here, so please don't attack me every time. I have autism and Borderline Personality Disorder and I take what you say as putting me down. I won't apologize for being honest. Karaokelegend (talk) 21:29, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I was wondering why I hadn't got a message from you, so I got curious and felt you need to know a few things. I'm learning the right way(s), to format a source. Your messages were anything but helpful. My simple mistakes were disruptive edits.
 * You threatened that I may lose my editing privileges.
 * You said Discogs isn't a reliable source. I've never seen a reason why it wouldn't be. Any submission is usually regarding something like a number on the back of an album cover, that's not on any other release You said Billboard magazine is the standard, no Cash Box and I'm assuming Record World too. Joel Whitburn has a book that encompasses all 3. Their charts are more different than you think.
 * I see the reasons for leaving indefinitely. Regarding my case, I was hurt with your words. I questioned not being good enough, so I decreased my contributions. I was afraid of getting another message from you or anyone else. Thankfully, no one else has haven't gotten a message. I wish you well and seeing your announcement ,made me want to let you know of my improvements and how the messages affected me. You don't have to apologize or feel bad for what you did. For you to recognize your actions to leave for now, is good enough for me. Karaokelegend (talk) 01:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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 * I know this already. If you had chose to look at my past contributions, you'd see many instances that I have replaced dead links with better links and in some instances, added info. As someone who deals with ADHD and Autism, I find it rather insulting to refer me to a welcome page, as I've been on here for years. I'm fully aware to reach out if I have any issues with something.   Karaokelegend (talk) 05:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I made it right and fixed the dead link. Karaokelegend (talk) 07:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! DMacks (talk) 07:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * I understand I shouldn't have relied too much on the source and that it's ok to use your own words. That part of the page listing examples, had a source for each, but the one I tried to edit. I've always seen edits being reverted back. I've never come across an edit that was deleted with existing info. To be clear, it's what I've seen as the end result and I don't want you to think I'm questioning your decision. Karaokelegend (talk) 08:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)