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photo clarifications
I have added clarifications and corrections to the photos in the article, DeBarra Mayo. I am trying my best to provide accurate information that conforms with the policies, but I'm still going through a learning curve. If anything needs to be fixed, validated, or clarified I will comply.

clarification
I would like to present this photo for illustrative purposes related to the article, DeBarra Mayo. I have added a corrected license. It may also be released to public domain for other purposes. DeBarra Mayo owns the rights to this photo.

help
I would like to use the large blue quotes to offset some quotes in my article. I tried the {{cquote| } command, but it won't work. Thank you to anybody who can help. KarateLadyKarateLady 04:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

red links
Several red links on this page. Perhaps new articles needed for the links or external links created?

DeBarra Mayo
Given the lack of other contributors, the high level of detail, and other things, this article seems like it may in fact be an autobiography. Writing autobiographical articles is generally regarded as a bad idea - please see WP:AUTO. fbb_fan 16:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

clarification
Details are presented for validation of assertions within the article and for historical purposes.

DeBarra Mayo made significant contributions to the fitness and health movement of the 1980s. Her name continues to be recognizable and respected for her health and fitness contributions. Any improvements to this article from other contributors is welcomed. KarateLadyKarateLady 16:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

references and notes help
I need help with adding references and notes. I tried to improve the article by adding proper validation, however, some of the material needed to be put under references instead of being added to the body of the text. Now the reference numbers are mixed up and I can't figure out how to fix it.

The details presented in this article are presented for historical reference. I have provided the most accurate information I can find. The fitness craze in the USA during the 1980s is historically relevant. DeBarra Mayo's name emerged during that time for her health and fitness related writings. The intention of presenting this article is for historical reference and updated information about DeBarra Mayo and her ongoing contributions to health and fitness awareness in the USA.

Any help to improve this article is appreciated. Thank you. KarateLadyKarateLady 19:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The reference numbers appear to be mixed up because a hyphen, -, was in the reference. It seems to interfere with the coding. Tyrenius 09:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

attention administrators
I have removed some details in an attempt to conform to policy since somebody has tagged this article for deletion. I do not agree with the tag and I am trying to fix whatever needs to be fixed in order to conform to policy. Any other suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. KarateLadyKarateLady 21:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have done a quick edit of the article to get it into a form which should meet with more acceptance. You have done a good job for a new editor (. Please try to leave edit summaries as it helps other editors to see what changes have been made. You can alter your preferences settings to remind you to leave a summary. Admins are not responsible for helping with editorial content, unless they choose to personally, by the way. Tyrenius 05:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Please see points on Talk:DeBarra Mayo. Tyrenius 14:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Tyrenius
A BIG thank you to Tyrenius for the rewrite and to everyone who added comments, both pro and con. I am working hard to get up to speed. I'm trying to add good quality articles and information related to American authors and sports/fitness related articles (and others). KarateLadyKarateLady 15:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you (I almost missed this - best to post on the other user's page, though not obligatory). It is wonderful news that you are so enthusiastic and I think you will have some valuable material to add in your field of interest. Don't worry if you get it wrong, or someone jumps on you occasionally. Just tell them you're a new editor and ask how to do it properly. As I think you've already discovered, there are people willing to help out, and you've got some more exprerienced wikipedians to turn to now. If you're not sure how to do something, a good tip is to find another article where it's been done, click "edit". Copy the relevant coding and adapt as necessary. Tyrenius 17:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Eric Schiffmann article
Looks like Erich Schiffmann spells his first name Erich. I created this new article but I need to correct the spelling of his first name.


 * I moved it for you. You should be able to find it here: Erich Schiffmann. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 16:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries. Let me know if you need any further help with anything. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 16:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
Thank you very much for the star.

(It's probably, for future reference, usual to put it on someone's talk page (then they actually notice it!), but I don't think anyone's going to strongly object to such a positive gesture wherever it is.)

Tyrenius 17:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply
External links should always be placed in the bottom of the article - and also, please see here for guidelines on placing external links. Do you need help with the WikiSyntax? =) –-  kungming·  2 | (Talk ·Contact) 01:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As for references, usually a tag is used right after the sentence to be verified. At the end of the article, then, place ==References== and

, hope this helps. --pgk 21:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Multiple referencing
Ok, here's how to do it. The very first time the reference appears in the article, it looks something like this:

Please note the important bit at the beginning:

Whenever you next want to use this particular reference in the article, all you have to type is this bit with a slash in it:

If you don't type the slash, the rest of the article will not be visible when you upload it!

To get these then to appear in the appropriate place, but the following below the "see also" section and above the "external links" section:
 * ==Notes and references==

or a variation such as:
 * nowiki>
 * nowiki>
 * nowiki>

If books are cited, then these should be listed under a section "References", the references in the text to page numbers of the book with the author's name, and the "Notes and references" section should be called instead "Footnotes".

Tyrenius 23:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Stars
No barnstars please! Tyrenius 00:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Choose a keyword (or words), but make sure it's not a common one which you're likely to use for another reference. You might find some things don't work (numbers? dashes?). If you do a preview, you'll see if something works or not. Tyrenius 01:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal of red links
I noticed that you have removed red links from some pages, such as Ali McGraw and Heather Locklear. Red links often serve a useful purpose, indicating articles that need to be written, and links such as the ones you removed generally should be left alone (among other things, once these articles eventually get written, people are unlikely to restore the links promptly). Please see Red link. fbb_fan 04:21, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for your kind message, KL. Your feedback was very much appreciated. I'm very happy to see that your finding your way. Your articles are looking great with the referencing. As I'm sure you appreciate, the more, specific references the better. Especially for biographies. So you're definitely doing good work on that front. No, no grey hairs at my end. Your openness to other opinions and your willingness to ask for help when you're stuck makes you a pleasure to work with. So definitely no problems at all for me. Thanks for your comment about my dog. The funny thing is, he's actually a 14-year-old! Most people think he looks like a puppy and are really surprised when I tell them he's really 98 in dog years! He still loves playing and acts very puppyish so I find it very easy to forget he's not a puppy anymore.

I hope you're recovering well from your surgery. :) Sarah Ewart (Talk) 10:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

question
In order to pull up the article Ali MacGraw, you have to use the upper case G. How do you make the name come up with a variety of spellings or lower case because people frequently spell her name wrong. KarateLadyKarateLady 03:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi! In order to get alternative spellings to go to that article, you have to create redirects. You do this by typing in the alternative spelling that you want to go to the page, then click on the redlink for that name, then for that new page type #REDIRECT Ali MacGraw and save the page. Hope this helps, and perhaps this page could explain it better if you still need some help. Cheers, EWS23  (Leave me a message!) 04:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem! Continue to use helpme for those simple questions, but feel free to send me a message if there's anything else you need. EWS23  (Leave me a message!) 04:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Referencing
Please study the comments above in "DeBarro Mayo referencing". For example this reference "chief instructor Salvadore Convento, [3]" links to the web page for the institution but is not a reference for Mayo, as it does not show her on the page as an instructor, so should be removed. You might like to check for similar instances. The reference must prove the statement, or it is not a proper reference.

I've had a look at Erich Schiffer. That was a very useful contribution. I've formatted the refs and you might like to check the diffs in the edit history to see what needed to be done.

Tyrenius 05:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That was just an example. You need to check the other refs, which I haven't done: I just spotted that one. You're doing a sterling job getting to grips with all this complexity. Tyrenius 05:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Re Questions
Hi KarateLady, glad to hear you're recovering. I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for, so tell me if it's not, but here's a few categories:
 * Category:Year of birth missing
 * Category:Date of birth missing
 * Category:Place of birth missing
 * Category:Year of death missing

Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 05:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You're most welcome, KL.
 * Sometimes I hit the navigation button on the left called "Random article". This takes you to a completely random Wiki article. I find if you hit it a few times (at the most) you'll find an article that needs some basic editing, such as spelling or grammar errors, basic formatting, wiki-linking various words, adding cats, adding some sources etc. You could try doing this if you're ever looking for something to do. You write well, so I'm sure you'd be excellent at that kind of copyediting.
 * I, too, was very upset about the Steve Irwin tragedy. My heart aches for his poor children and for the other children in the world who loved him and thought of him as their "Superman".
 * You have fantastic taste in dogs! :) Sarah Ewart (Talk) 15:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

External link format
Check it out. Note asterisk to start. Tyrenius 05:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

question
Please look at article "Heidi Miller." For some reason the references don't format correctly. I can't figure out what I did wrong. Thank you. KarateLadyKarateLady 14:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The bullet point before the code in the References section was screwing it up. I removed it, and it looks okay now. J Ditalk 14:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. KarateLadyKarateLady 14:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

PS on help me
How many spaces do I put between the internet address and the name of the website in order for it to show properly in the reference section. Do I put a * before the too? KarateLadyJ Ditalk 14:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't use bullet points. The links aren't formatted properly, they're supposed to be like this: [ http://www.example.com link title ]  I'll fix them now.  J Ditalk 14:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks again. KarateLadyKarateLady 14:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Accessed date
This is the date you actually looked at a web site to get the info. If the web site changes or becomes defunct it may be possible to use a site called waybackmachine to access a past version from that date.

If you're stuck with coding, just find another article which has something similar to what you want, go into edit mode, copy the code and adapt it to what you want. Then just close the page you've copied, without bothering to save it.

Tyrenius 11:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

question
What does this mean "&ndash" and when do I use it? KarateLadyKarateLady 15:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Where have you seen that? If you aren't sue on the usage you probably don't need to worry about it. Generally speaking an ndash is a typographical term for a dash which is the width on a capital N, similary mdash the width of a capital M.

– &amp;ndash; N

&mdash; &amp;mdash; M

pgk 15:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The manual of style contains most information on such matters. They are guidelines so not necessarily uniformly used and indeed if there is a good reason to ignore them you can. For dashes there is a specific section --pgk 15:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Typically m dash is used in text, with or without a space either side (although n dash can be), n dash between dates, normal hypen on keyboard in a hyphenated word (I think that's right). Tyrenius 15:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Books
Under the heading ==References== list the books, e.g.:


 * Bloggs, Fred (2002), "My Life as an Air Raid Warden" Universal Publishers, London ISBN 1-345987-21-7

Under the heading ==Footnotes== put the usual code, i.e. . Then in the text put the reference, as per usual footnotes:

The second and subsequent times you refer to this page, you can just put:

If you want to reference a different page, then follow the above procedure to create the appropriate reference, changing the number.

NB: In this case, instead of one heading ==Notes and references==, there are two headings, as stated above.

Tyrenius 06:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey KarateLady, sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday. I had a few things going on and I noticed Tyrenius was kind enough to respond to your questions about referencing books. I hope that info answered all your questions, if not, let me know and I'll try to help further. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 10:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

need help
Article Fereydoon Batmanghelidj, M.D. has his named spelled wrong at the top of the page. An extra letter "a" has been added to his last name and I don't know how to fix it. KarateLadyKarateLady 19:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. I moved the page to the right name. Cheers. NCurse work 20:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

question
I am trying to add "missing birth" category to article Heidi Miller and for some reason it comes up in red and I can't figure out why. Any help is appreciated. Thank you, KarateLadyKarateLady 03:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That was amazingly good timing! I was just on my way here to tell you you should have email. I'll check the cat and be back in a minute. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 03:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It should be right now. I don't think there's a cat called "Missing birth". I just changed it to "Date of birth missing" and it looks okay now. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 03:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)