User talk:KarmaChameleon

March 2017


A page you created has been nominated for deletion as an attack page, according to section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

Do not create pages that attack, threaten, or disparage their subject. Attack pages and files are not tolerated by Wikipedia, and users who create or add such material may be blocked from editing. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:26, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Response: I am sorry but you have no understanding of Attack page. From your own link section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion - Examples of "attack pages" may include libel, legal threats, material intended purely to harass or intimidate a person or biographical material about a living person that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced
 * The list created is none of these. I would sincerely request you to please get a thorough understanding of Wikipedia policies. KarmaChameleon (talk) 09:13, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Draft:List of Muslim sex abuse rings in the United Kingdom
Draft:List of Muslim sex abuse rings in the United Kingdom, a page which you created or substantially contributed to (or which is in your userspace), has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:List of Muslim sex abuse rings in the United Kingdom and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Draft:List of Muslim sex abuse rings in the United Kingdom during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:18, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

== Your submission at Articles for creation: List of Muslim sex abuse rings in the United Kingdom (March 28) ==  Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by MPS1992 was:

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MPS1992 (talk) 19:29, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Let's be clear ...
The "article" is going to be deleted anyway, but if you pull a stunt like that again I will just block you indefintely. Read the article - Champion referred to a possible total of a million victims of CSE in total in the UK (that's every possible form of CSE in every area of the country, from rape to human trafficking to far more minor issues such as sexting, not from these few sex rings). Black Kite (talk) 18:36, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Is this meant to be some kind of threat? Because "let's be clear" that would be abuse of your powers. I do not appreciate such high-handedness. Good luck! — KarmaChameleon (talk) 18:55, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Since my edits are being questioned and this particular edit is now deleted, I would like to paste the source for the figure "one million" here. The way the article worded it gives an impression Sarah is referring to the child exploitation by Muslim gangs. Another source that I could find which eludes to this. --KarmaChameleon (talk) 16:15, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The block would be arguably proper and thus this talk page comment would be better described as a "warning" than a "threat". Please see my comments at the deletion discussion.  Fact checker _ at your service  19:50, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * On the one hand you write about "Muhammad's ... sexual relationship with Aisha," but in the edit summary that submits this edit, you also write "(pbuh)"—are you here as a provocation? El_C 20:26, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It is a common practice by Muslims to add PBUH when taking the Prophet's name. Please let me know how is it provocative. --KarmaChameleon (talk) 23:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It's the combination of the two —the edit plus the honorific—and you know it. El_C 01:13, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll be honest with you I was not well-acquainted with the Wikipedia policy on honorifics. I will avoid them going forward. —KarmaChameleon (talk) 13:13, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

ANI Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is KarmaChameleon. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:52, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I am unable to participate in the discussion because of a block. Thank you for the notice. --KarmaChameleon (talk) 23:50, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked

 * Reviewing your activity on Wikipedia, it's evident that you're WP:NOTHERE to build the encyclopedia in a neutral manner. Whatever your goal is, that's not appropriate here.  Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:50, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I am interested in building and using a high-quality encyclopedia in a spirit of mutual respect. I would like to understand what you think my goals are. --KarmaChameleon (talk) 23:53, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * KarmaChameleon, maybe I can help a little here. I don't know about the other admins who've commented here, but it seems to me like you're using Wikipedia as a soapbox to post criticism of Islam.  You can't write Wikipedia articles in the style of tabloid journalism.  Wikipedia is different than a lot of other websites.  On many sites, you can broadcast your opinions to whomever will listen, and you certainly don't have to be very polite or neutral about it.  In fact, people would probably consider it strange if you gave equal time to opposing viewpoints and pointed people to places where they could learn more about them.  Well, on Wikipedia, you're expected to do stuff like that.  You might want to look over our core content policies to see what's expected here.  Once you've done that, you could probably write a much better unblock request. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:13, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for explaining. Going forward, I will avoid articles that criticise Islam. Also, I will use sources that support all points of views. I have read through the core content policies that you linked. It was a good read. I will try my best to adhere to them. —KarmaChameleon (talk) 13:19, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Looking at your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:List of Muslim sex abuse rings in the United Kingdom, I am seeing nothing but defiance, a WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality, and an unwillingness to listen to what others are trying to tell you. Now you say that your attitude has changed. Could you please describe, in detail, what you see as being wrong about your previous approach and give us a reason to believe that you will do things differently going forward? --Guy Macon (talk) 15:21, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Can you explain the reasons for your previous edits? &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 14:52, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Coffee, please let me know which edits you speak of and I will give you reasons. —KarmaChameleon (talk) 15:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Checking again on the above request. I believe none of the administrators have any actual edits of mine to show. All I see is virtue signalling with no concrete evidence to have me blocked indefinitely. "I did not like your edits because they were against my sentiments but I actually can't pinpoint anything concrete." — KarmaChameleon (talk) 10:51, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I think you will need to agree to not make any edits that criticize Islam, as most (all?) of your edits to date seem to have done.Slatersteven (talk) 17:07, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if you actually read my unblock request above. —KarmaChameleon (talk) 10:46, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I did, and you wrote you would "avoid editing articles that criticise Islam and its aspects". not thatg you would make no edits that criticise Islam. Maybe It is what you intended to say, was it?Slatersteven (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that this user innocently made those edits and wasn't deliberately trying to make a point. I didn't explicitly say "you were making it sound like all Muslim men want to have sex with children and it is ingrained in their religion" because they already know that is exactly what they were doing. Turning around and acting like they need that explained to them now stretches WP:AGF to the breaking point. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:49, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Straw man fallacy —KarmaChameleon (talk) 10:46, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Please don't make claims of a straw man fallacy in cases where there clearly is no such thing. It's annoying, and will not lead to you being allowed to edit Wikipedia. I would also point out the three separate uninvolved administrators have reviewed your repeated appeals and declined your requests for an unblock. Yet you refuse to address the reasons they gave for blocking you.


 * Again I ask; please describe, in detail, what you see as being wrong about your previous approach and give us a reason to believe that you will do things differently going forward. If you do anything else the inevitable end result will be you having your talk page access revoked. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:33, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Would you be willing to accept an indefinite topic ban from all Islam related articles and discussions, broadly construed? Doug Weller  talk 18:07, 3 April 2017 (UTC)