User talk:Karmafist/Archive15

Just got your message from four months ago
Hi karmafist, there is already a page for wikipedians who are aspies. Did you start a disabled wikipedians page? I am not classed as disabled myself personally. Any other ideas, message me again AmyNelson 22:03, 6 February 2006 (GMT)

revert war under Plotinus bio
request for peer review POV pushing group atttemping to undermind accepted scholars' works and comments. I can provide scans of books to prove posts that are being reverted out.

LoveMonkey 17:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
For your kind support of my Rfa, which passed. Thanks also for your kind comments. If you should ever have any complaints about my admin actions, please let me know. Also, should you ever need my help with anything, please do not hesitate to ask! Thanks again! All the best  Ban  e  z  17:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Japanese message
Do I want to know what it means, or should I just get rid of it? --GraemeL (talk) 19:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I cant say that I know exactly what it is your referring to.
I have spoken to Cenestrad The Emperor Of Wikipedia several times as you will see on my talk page, but Im not sure what exactly you are referring to. Im afraid I have been esspecailly spread out lately, and Im not sure whee we heard from each other. Was I referring to something the Emperor of wikipedia had said to me, or was I addressing you in such a way. If I did something to be offensive, as always I appologize, but I have to admit Im at a bit of a loss here as your comment on my userpage wasnt very specific. thanks for your time/comments pickelbarrel the giant ASSHOLE 23:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

RfA
Having expressed strong opposition to my first nomination you may wish to comment on my second. brenneman (t) (c)  05:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Warning
愚かな同性愛者である. --Houben 09:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Translates to "It is the foolish homosexual person." making Houben blockable if he/she/it isnt already. -- Cool CatTalk 00:00, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh already blocked... And machine translation is too good hence the person used machine translation and knows nothing about how to use kanji. :P -- Cool CatTalk 00:04, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

AMA Coordinator Election
Dear AMA Member,

You are entitled to vote in the AMA Coordinator election, set to begin at midnight on 3 February 2006. Please see the pages on the election and its candidates and the procedure and policy and cast a vote by e-mail!

Wally 11:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Aaron's RFA
You forgot to sign. Your remarks are eloquent and would look better with a proper signature, so I didn't stick an {&#123;unsigned}} in there. Thanks. Chick Bowen 16:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

re: batshit over bullshit
So have you quit using IRC altogether then? &mdash; F REAK OF N URxTURE  ( [ TALK ] )  17:22, Feb. 2, 2006

Your welcome message
I just read it and thought was really funny (esp. the unwritten rules). The Boot Camp (WP:BC) is trying to setup a nice gentle welcome for newbies and we are testing and evaluating the template which a user can put on his page and we'll go look for them and try to help them. Would you mind adding it to your welcome message? Dr Debug (Talk) 18:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
thank you much for your welcome, i just started editing approximately a month ago but i decided the Warhammer Fantasy stuff needed sopme revamping, so at the moment im trying to categorize everything. i could use some tips on getting other people to help, however, most of the people i have asked personally seem disinerested in wikipedia. i also want to expand on the stubs and add a lot of info as well as updates.

The barnstar, the one you deserve thoroughly!
--XenoN e on (converse) 20:29, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

IRC ranting
I share your pain.

/me huggles.

IRC is a pain in the ass most of the time. #wikipedia is basicaly a troll heaven. In fact people who request ban on trolls/vandals are banned. I just hope empathy will make you feel better. -- Cool CatTalk 23:49, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * If you like, I can recomend an IRC channel where idiots (aside from myself) are booted w/o hesitation. that'd be the #wikipedia-en-vandalism also vandalism detection bot runs there as well. :) -- Cool CatTalk 23:51, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Browsing your userpage
I think you may like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AGeorge_W._Bush.&diff=37921740&oldid=34329494 :) -- Cool CatTalk 23:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

userboxes
some of the userboxes you use are rather OLD. See my userpage if you really care :) -- Cool CatTalk 00:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Town_meeting.JPG
Thanks for uploading Image:Town_meeting.JPG. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images on Wikipedia is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this:.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. You can get help on image copyright tagging from Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags. -- Carnildo 02:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello
User: Pickelbarrel asked me to come & talk to you as he thinks that you are about to block him because of something he said in regard to me. If it was an insult I forgive his rashness because he is very energetic. If you thought he was being silly by mentioning the emperor of wikipidea he was not. I am the Emperor he is refering to. I wield this authority by divine right for the protection common good and, if you have not heard of me, it is because I am not for all people. Some just can't stomache the thought of an Emperor. If the thought of him refering to me as Emperor bothers you than please feel free to ignore it. If you can not I suggest you block yourself for a couple of days. This I order for the common good. --Cenestrad The Emperor of Wikipedia 03:37, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

My RFA
Hi, thanks for participating in my RfA discussion. Unfortunately, my fellow Wikipedians have decided at this time that I am not suitable to take on this additional responsibility, as the RfA failed with a result of 66/27/5 (71.0% support). I hope that if I do choose to reapply in the future, the effort I will make in the meantime to improve and expand my contributions to Wikipedia may persuade you to reconsider your position from neutral. All the best, Proto t c 10:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the tip, if i'm on IRC anytime soon, i'll head into that channel. I have a question for you, but i'll wait a bit. I need advice from outside Wikipedia on it first. Karm a  fist  12:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok :). If its a "private" issue you can always email. :) -- Cool CatTalk 12:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Pickelbarrel
I'll apologize to him - after all, it was late and I was a bit cranky, so I overreacted. However, he is being somewhat... objectionable, I think you'll agree.

And reducing his block to a day or so, that's fine. DS 13:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Perhaps the block hasn't lifted itself. That happens sometimes. I'll go and manually unblock him, and see if you have unknowingly done any autoblocks that also need lifting. -Splash talk 19:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, so I found 5(!) autoblocks all of which were the result of Dragonflysixtyseven's original block, apparently. Since your 24hr block has expired I've lifted all of them and also explicitly unblocked his user name. Pizza...mmmmmm.... -Splash talk 19:07, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes and unfree-copyrighted images
Got your message after posting at WP:AN/I. Our last conversation had left me with the unfortunate impression that you weren't interested in discussing the matter with me. So, first of all, I'd like to apologize -- clearly further discussion with you was an option, and it was ungenerous of me to assume otherwise.

I don't really see this issue as being part of the "userbox wars". I am really fairly uninterested in the whole userbox debate, excepting only the ones that are designed to make other editors feel unwelcome. Instead I see this as part of the larger question about what our relationship to unfree-licensed images should be. Are we building a radically free encyclopedia, or are we decorating our userspace with other people's property? I have a lot of sympathy for User:SlimVirgin and that whole image mess, which was handled terribly. Clear violations, however, only make people quicker to be aggressive about the whole issue, leading to frustration for all parties when it comes to corner cases such as Iranian copyright status. I wish that you would stop encouraging people to use unfree-copyrighted material in their userspace. I promise you that if Wikimedia's stance on this issue changes that I would be content to let the matter rest, regardless of my personal leanings on the issue. Jkelly 22:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I would strongly advise you to cease, unless you want to be blocked for a bit, and asked to go and sit on the naughty step.
 * Relax, mate. Nothing bad is going to happen tonight. Give it a rest.
 * James F. (talk) 22:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Seems that he's asserted that he won't violate the 3RR... why would he be blocked? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Edit warring? Adding unfree images to the userspace in direct violation of policy? Really, an admin should know better. If he does it again and I'm the one to catch it, I'm blocking him, no ifs ands or buts about it. And remember, the 3RR is an electric fence, not an entitlement. —BorgHunter ubx (talk) 04:09, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Repeated deliberate copyvios sounds like a good reason. People have been blocked indefinitely for it before. --Carnildo 04:53, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey karmafist, the way I read fair use is that unless the document using the image parodies it or discusses its topic lengthily, there's not really much (if any) justification for fair use. This probably isn't the impression one might get from how fair use is typically used in article space, but hey, nobody said that was the correct usage. (Recall Raul's law on copyright policy.) I'd be ok with keeping fair use images if the bulk of the page using them had something to do with the topic (i.e. a fair use logo of the Democratic Party used on a userpage which spent most of its time discussing the Democrats), but otherwise, the way I see it, the fair use isn't fair. Johnleemk | Talk 05:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Clarification on the Above
The real issue with me on this now isn't the icons, but rather the thuggery of certain users, including some who posted above on this talk page. Is the Wikimedia Foundation really so frightened of one admin who disagrees with them that they have to sick a goon squad out to do their bidding? Or is it just some goons on a power trip looking to exert intimidation over someone, and "decrees" give them an excuse to do so? To me, it's a clear WP:IAR, in this case WP:CIVIL is broken to uphold WP:FU.

I can get a decent alternative on one of the userboxes i'm "edit warring" on, and I can likely get permission in regards to the Dem logo (I know several Democratic National Committee members), but I may conduct some civil disobedience just to stand up to those bullies even if I do go down that route, which i'd prefer. I haven't decided yet. What do you think, eh?

One thing's for sure -- if those dicks are able to rally up a mob and lynch me for standing up for what I believe in, Wikipedia will be a worse place for it. Karm a  fist  12:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * We don't take Wikipeda-permission images any more; you must be aware of this. Whether or not you "get permission" from the DNC to allow random people to seemingly officially associate themselves with them, which I would seriously doubt, however many politicians you know, that doesn't mean that it would be compatible with how Wikipedia is run.
 * Please don't call the number of concerned people asking you to stop "thugs", a "mob", or "dicks". It is a significant violation of AGF and the civility policy, as well as, erm, just plain common sense and decency.
 * James F. (talk) 13:24, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That's idiotic. The only possible reason why the Wikimedia Foundation would have such a policy is because they fear to be sued. If there's no chance of that, there's no reason for this dictate, unless Jimbo's dream has changed from "an effort to create and distribute a multilingual free encyclopedia of the highest possible quality to every single person on the planet in their own language" into "an effort to create and distribute a multilingual free encyclopedia of the cheapest possible quality to every single person on the planet in their own language." And if people act like thugs, I will call them thugs. Good faith or not, there's no justification for their behavior, unless of course I am right, and the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia are basically meaningless and contradictory. Karm  a  fist  19:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Note that the objective is to create a Free as in speech encyclopedia, not free as in beer. Kim Bruning 19:47, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. If something can be used without legal reprecussions, and it's relevant, it should. Regardless of where on here. Karm  a  fist  19:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a huge caveat I'd better warn you about. Wikipedia being free content means that we cannot use things merely because there's no legal percussions for us. It means we may only use things that will never have legal percussions for anyone, anywhere. In the current legal climate, this is tricky but still possible. One of the key sub-objectives therefore is to change the legal climate, by:
 * Demonstrating that high quality free content can exist.
 * Providing free content for others to use.


 * I wonder if the consequences that can be drawn from this mean that you'd hold off on that wikibear Kim Bruning 20:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks For The Caveat, But You Still Deserve The Barnstar
In regards to the Democratic Userbox, let's think rationally here...


 * 1) The Democratic Party basically exists as little more than a non-profit organization with the purpose of having people like it through association(thus enabling them to enact political power at various levels in the US)
 * 2) People on here say they associate with this group, thus fufilling that goal...

What I don't understand is how the Wikimedia Foundation can get from Step 2 to a Step 3 of...


 * The Democratic Party responds to these people by suing the non-profit organization they're involved with, which is not only a huge PR faux pas(name the last time suing a non-profit organization resulted in good press, other than perhaps with the Roman Catholic Church), but also alienates those who fufilled that goal in the first place.

Hell, sometimes I feel like i'm on the verge of leaving the party sometimes myself, since they often think in non sequitur like Step 2 to Step 3 on other issues. Karm a  fist  20:27, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * As follows: the republican party takes the image, assuming it is GFDL, and modifies it to show the democrats in a bad light. The democrats then sue the republicans.
 * People of either party should be able to use all the images on this site, without legal repercussions. If this is not possible, we cannot faithfully claim that we are providing free content. Kim Bruning 20:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, they'd be justified in doing that already (and they, as well as many cartoonists already do) since satire/criticism is an integral tenet of fair use. Hell, the goddamn donkey came from a unflattering cartoon in the 1880s from Thomas Nast. I wish they'd get rid of it. Karm  a  fist  20:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, what if the democrat symbol were used to promote cornflakes? Kim Bruning 20:46, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * That fits the goal of step 1 above. Let me explain.


 * 1) The manufacturers of Corn Flakes(or whatever) think "pandering to Democrats will equal more profits for us."
 * 2) They do earn more profits from doing so, and thus putting a feather in their cap(they can say to companies "associating with us helps you, so you should!", thus fufilling their ultimate goal above.)

Then again, they may not earn more profits from doing so, and then would just stop using the image.

Look, with the Red Sox, I understand. They make money off that icon. The Democrats though, that's just cutting off a nose to spite a face. Karm a  fist  21:00, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

The Only Real Reason Against This, Which Also Could Be Avoided
Let's say for example, that instead of Corn Flakes, the Ku Klux Klan uses the Democratic image in order to hurt the Democrats(the KKK is generally unpopular, and the Democrats generally hold viewpoints that are contrary to theirs). That's probably the only legitimate reason not to allow permission in regards to the logo, but ultimately it isn't...

Because... If the Democratic Party was doing WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, that would instantly not work because anyone seeing the KKK doing this would say "That's just a baseless ploy, I automatically know that the KKK has views contrary to the Democratic Party through external influences."

That's the only reason I could think of for them not to allow use of their logo, and if they used that reason, I couldn't in good conscience associate with them on anything anymore other than a superficial nature or when our goals are the same, thus making it pragmatic to work with them. Karm a  fist  21:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. Ok, all very logical, I don't know how to confirm the truth of it though ^^;; Kim Bruning 21:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ehehehe, I was thinking from a legal perspective ^^;; Interesting direction you're coming from here. Kim Bruning 22:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Tangent
Hey... I'll give a fuller response later, after thinking a bit and reading all of the above. I thought, however, that you might be interested in the following, given that you seem to be active in American politics. This is a document arguing against a bill before the American legislature that would exclude the use of trademarks from "fair use" for non-profits. Perhaps, if you were so inspired, you could write a letter to your representative asking them to vote against this bill. Jkelly 04:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Im finally back
It seems they decided to take away the added time to my block...again. Im not sure if it was you or Emperor Cenesrtad or Splash that freed me, or if DS recieved an additional warning for abuse of power, or if he just came to his scences, but I wanted to formally thank you. I felt I was truely having my behaviour unfairly scutinized for some reason, although I truely dont know why. Just because I dont have a doctorite or phd doesnt mean that Its fair to rape my rights to write. Thanks Jake...Im off to defend the article I was blocked(for a fucking month) from wikipedia forpickelbarrel 19:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

As part of my return...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven#Ive_decided_to_take_the_high_ground Here is where I wrote DS and let him know there wasnt any bad blood (even though to be truthful I amstill upset) and that I accept his appology(even though he never actually appologized, but only said he would). I also helped him fix the ebaums world article he had shown intrest in. I am being extra polite, and sensative so that my future here at wikipedia will be secure...If you have any other ideas please feel free to let me knowpickelbarrel 21:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi!
 Today will be a beautiful day, if you only let it happen! Be happy, dear Karmafist! Kisses, Phædriel  ♥ tell me - 02:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Wow, Karma, that is way too delicate a question to be answered when I'm sooo sleepy! ;) J/k. Imho, the debate on fair use images has grown way out of shape. It looks like we've passed from allowing everything to forbidding everything with no anesthesia, and lots of folks are somewhat hysterical about it. My own personal opinion, since you ask me, is that a modified pic can be used within reasonable limits; then again, being a newcomer, I try to remain within the strict limits of the copyright policies of WP, regardless of my personal desires or beliefs. The last thing I want, is someone to bite me for posting a pic of my favorite singer on my userpage, no matter how much I'd like to! ;) Anyway, I agree with you regarding some nasty people. There always are some persons who would come and shout at you, no matter what you do, and a few of them can certainly stir the rebel in us and make us adamant on things that we don't really care much for, and which we would concede if we had been properly approached. My own advice, is simply to avoid stuff that can stress you; some people isn't really worth it. Hassling a few guys who don't know the meaning of the words "kindness" and "civility" can be fun; but it gets old quickly, and I'd hate to see them mistreating you over such an unimportant issue. Well, enough philosophical ramblings for today, it's been great to meet you, Karma - I'll call it a day and go to bed. I promise to get my hands on your userpaga asap - my wikibreak has left me with a tremendous backlog, and I don't feel very inspired :( Just give me a few days, and I'll get my muse back ;) Kisses! Phædriel  ♥ tell me - 03:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

?
Your threat of a block was both unwarranted & unnessessary. I have not made, nor would I ever make, a personal attack upon a wiki-user. In fact your threat of deposing of me is far closer to a personal attack than anything I have said. So if you can't use your editing tools for the common good why don't you block yourself for a week or so? Then the rest of us can get to the job of writing an encyclopedia. This I order for the common good.--The Emperor of Wikipedia 02:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Who have I ever called a douche bag? Bring them to me & let them accuse me on my talk page. So watch if you want, Big Brother, but don't slander. This I order for the common good.

I've just desysopped you
I'm sorry but you've stumbled into me with my hands very full trying to stop people from wheel warring. We do not wheelwar, got it? Especially not with me. --Jimbo Wales 05:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well... welcome back to the fold, we normal users welcome you with open arms! If this is to be the way things go from now on, I'd have to say I think it's a good thing.  Wheel warring is bad, and I know that you feel as strongly about that as I do.  I will, however, be very very interested to see just how far this goes.  Will, for example, "good" wheel warring continue to be allowed?  Anyhue, keel it cool, wavy gravy, and use my alternate e-mail (aaron_david_brenneman @ hotmail. com) for the next sixteen hours.
 * In solidarity,
 * brenneman (t) (c) 06:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Being a normal editor is cool. Welcome back! ElectricRay 16:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Desysopping
Jimbo Wales has temporarily desysopped several administrators involved in the pedophilia userbox wheel war, yourself included, until such time as the Arbitration Committee can sort the matter out. See Administrators%27_noticeboard Raul654 07:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Admin House
Hey, I noticed you told Titoxd that Admin House is a coaching program. It isn't. I don't give advice to candidates.

Just wanted to clear that up for you. WikiFanatic 13:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration
A request for arbitration where you have been listed as a party has been opened by Raul654 (per Jimbo Wales). Please see Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war, as well as provide evidence at /Evidence and comment on proposals at /Workshop. —Locke Cole • t • c 13:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Good luck; in my opinion, you did the right thing. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 16:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

where would I go to get a spell checker?
My brother has mentioned the same thing to me, To use my spell check, but I homnestly dont know where to go get one. I must say I didnt realize that my tone was condesending, but I have been training under Administrator UncleG since almost immediately after joining wikipedia, so I think I should be able to become in a short time. I only wrote a bit in the article, as it seemed pretty well written, and to be honest I dont know much about ebaums world...I just thought that cleaning it up a bit would be appreciated by DS. Thanks for the advicepickelbarrel 17:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Cenestrad
Hi Karmafist. Cenestrad is asking me, by email, to lift his current block. I was wondering what you think. His final comment on User talk:Rhobite seems to be an acknowledgement that his "douchebag" comment could have caused offence, and the tone of his emails is such that I think the block so far as largely served its purpose. Clearly both he and Pickelbarrel need to operate within community norms with greater care, and I imagine they've both had a sharp lesson in doing so. Do you object to my lifting the block early? -Splash talk 17:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I've lifted the block. I hope they both conduct themselves to a higher standard in future. The tone of your message to me was worrying; I hope you are not planning to leave Wiki. You've clearly got caught in something of a fire, but it will pass. -Splash talk 18:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

regarding The Great Emperor Cenestrad an thanking you.
I will look online for the program you said I could run my words through to make them read better, but I also noticed that you blocked The Emperor Of Wikipedia for calling Administrators Dousche Bags (just as a tyhought Im not even sure what a Doushce bag is...Ill look it up in a minuit. But I hope that this wasnt in reference to what he said on my discussion page.  I had written him and thanked him for his help with removing my block by a overpowering administrator, and was curious to know if he would be interested in helping others who felt violated by these Doushe Bag Administrators .  His responce was what you saw on my page, but he wasnt referring to you, or any paticular administrator specifically, but rather the acts of some administrators in general, that people of the general poppulace might find well...objectionable.  If his comments on my page were the reason for his block, then I would respectfully ask that you transfer the block to me, as it was I who created the problem im afraid. thanks pickelbarrel 18:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Leave it alone, Pickelbarrel. Cenestrad's block has already been lifted; there's nothing for you to do. -Splash talk 18:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Microsoft word.
I just looked up the microsoft word that you had told me about, and I looks like the cheapest one starts at a hundred dollars. I cant really aford to spend that much money to become an administrator. Do all administrators use these, or is their a cheeper way...possibly just looking up certain word in dictionary. Also I had been wanting to ask you, Are you really a Bhudahist? My brother told me Bhudah wasnt really fat, but that the images of him became distorted so everyone thought he was. He also said that "karma" happens over lifetimes...not over ones own lifetime...Are these things true? pickelbarrel 18:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC) 18:21, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your lift.
I seem to always be just a few steps behind you. You seem to be able to administrate without taking things too personally. You have been of immeasurable help. I t has been appreciatyedpickelbarrel 18:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Dont leave yet...
I will go write to the offending parties...maybe I can help...Im not an administrator but who knows. Its the least I could do after you have helped me out. If you believe in Karma you know that it is in your own best intrest to stick around and continue to help those of us that need it. Cant stay long... Im going to try to polish my karma up a bit by returning the favor you bestwed upon me. I think I'll start with Jimbo as he seems to have the most pull around here. Appreciate your helppickelbarrel 21:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Too many editors are fleeing this ship over this paedophile user box fiasco. The whole issue is in my humble opinion, bullshit. You are better than this, rise above! When I see you, Carbonite, El C and who knows who else throwing up your hands, it makes me weep for the future of this resource. Will the trolls win? Will the wikipedia succumb to the whim of the old guard? Shouldn't we be moving forward instead of remaining in stasis? The answers should be: No, no and yes. Take a few deep breaths, go out for a walk in the sweet sweet air of freedom, come back and read my user page twice and tell me how you feel after that? It can't hurt, it might help and you'll get some fresh air in the bargain. Whatever you decide, I have to appreciate the passion you display in your actions. I prefer to remain dispassionate, it keeps me (largely) out of trouble. I save my passion for the picket lines I attend! (Veteran Taxi, CAW Local 194, Windsor Ontario, going into its second month of Labor action). Regards, Hamster Sandwich 21:58, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * My problem is with the admins and even Jimbo more than the one user who trolled once in an edit. Voice of  All T 23:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree with Hamster. Mate, just FYI I'm behind you. While I do agree wheel-warring is not an option, all you did was unblock him - with reason (whether it was good reason or not, that's objective), and you shouldn't get stressed so easily. Take it east, mate. NSL E (T+C) 01:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm with you too. You were trying to respond to wrongs and abuses by another admin. I've called upon him to resign and you to be reinstated in full.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 12:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Stay. --jfg284 you were saying? 15:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Count this as a vote to stay, if you are leaving, and also a strong vote in protest at your being de-sysopped, even if temporarily, for what was clearly the right thing to do. &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC) </FONT> 17:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Some Info.
Just wanted you to know this is not a shameless plug to WATCH ADULT SWIM. Hope you got that.--AdultSwim 05:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Good to hear
I wasn't sure you were leaving, but some stuff I had stumbled across seemed to suggest you might. I'd be glad to chime in on the ArbCom, because I agree with the above sentiment that this whole thing is bullshit. I'm not really clear on how an ArbCom works, or where I would go chiming in, so if you could offer any advice thatd be great. Yea. --jfg284 you were saying? 17:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
I award you this barnstar for sticking to your principles and doing the right thing. &mdash; Asbestos | <FONT COLOR="#808080">Talk </FONT> <FONT COLOR="#808080"> (RFC) </FONT> 17:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Glad to see you havent left
I think we were all abit worried. Good move hangin in there. SMATTERING Of APPLAUSEpickelbarrel 20:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Can you change your edits from your IP address to your new username?
Hi, I've just signed up but I have been editing with a fixed IP address. Is there any way to take "responsibility" for those edits and have the IP change to my username? Armon 10:49, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Margins
You should use style="margin:10em; " I have changed to 100em because that's a huge margin and I think that even 10em is a lot, but margin itself is not parameter since it is part of the style parameters. Dr Debug (Talk) 15:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Strange. Because I rechecked it with both IE and Opera and the margin looks waaaay too big now... Dr Debug (Talk) 16:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the right thing
Here is your reward: .--.___..___.--._    /|  |   |    |   |  | `--.    /                          `.   |       |        |           |   |       |        |      |     |   |  `    |  `     |    ` |     |   |    `  |      ` |      |   ` |  '|  `    | ` ` `  |  ` ` |  `  |  ||`   `  |     `  |   `  |`   `|  ||  `    |  `     | `    |  `  |  ||    `  |   ` `  |    ` | `  `|  || `     | `      | ` `  |  `  |  ||  ___  |  ____  |  __  |  _  |  | \_____/ \______/ \____/ \___/  |     `._  |    /       \  |         .--.\  |        '    \  `.      |  _.-'     `.|__.-'

Mike (T C) 18:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Reward from me, I disagree with your desyopping. Mike (T C) [[Image:Star_of_life2.svg|20px]] 18:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Bah let me be next, its not like I have anything they can take away. Every day I start to notice less and less community discussion and involement, and more and more control by arbcom and the beaurocats (ie. the RFA change without much/any community discussion). Mike (T C) [[Image:Star_of_life2.svg|20px]] 18:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Your questions
You asked me about
 * 1) A Wikiproject/Grassroots movement against authoritarianism and for the rule of law on here for all.
 * 2) Advocating for a position similiar to the Roman Tribune, an advocate of non-administrators who has power only in keeping an eye on administrators/bureaucrats/arbitrators/etc. and making sure they follow policy.
 * Truthfully, here's my position. I don't believe that anyone here should consider their opinion indisputable simply because of their position in a hierarchy. That said, I personally think that such a hierarchy normally works. So, on the one hand, I believe that Jimbo was wheel-warring (or, more kindly, tried to diffuse the situation without really looking into it carefully), and absolutely wrong for telling you that reverting him was Something Not Done. On the other hand I believe that this project would be a mess if it had no authority, and that trying to set up any system that encourages an us-vs-them mentality could only be harmful in the long run. Hope that kind of answers your question, &mdash; Asbestos | <FONT COLOR="#808080">Talk </FONT> <FONT COLOR="#808080"> (RFC) </FONT> 18:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Don't know whether the black page means that you'll leave or that you are just taking out your frustrations
But it's better that you stay.

I looked at your case from a distance as well and it is a clear example of class justice where opposing the king is bigger crime than out of process bannings and deletions, but I doubt whether my words would have made any difference whatsoever. Should you chose to reapply - mind that most people are sheeple and that you don't need the "powers" to make a difference - then you can count on my vote. Your manifesto needs to be more specific though. Care to explain the "grand plan?" Dr Debug (Talk) 21:35, 8 February 2006 (UTC)