User talk:Karmafist/Archive8

Thanks for your welcome !
I'm actually contributing on fr.wikipedia.org and I'm programming a software about phylogenetic classification. I need information to be displayed in both french and english as my software is located in these languages. I will certainly keep on adding information in en.wikipedia.org ! Fabien NGUYEN

Jesus
Please rereview Jesus if you can get a chance, I addressed a lot of the issues. Thanks. Scifiintel 05:28, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!
but, also, it's dangerous to say things like that too early ;-) The Land 13:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Nowiki nowiki nowiki!
Probably, the thing I'd do with a town forum link is nowiki it (by doing and then  to close it), with an edit summary saying, "See talk page." The reason is not just, as you say, that it's a "joke" to residents, but that linking to an informational website and linking to a forum are orders of magnitude from each other. In other cities, there are links to locally-used portal pages (e.g. on the Vidalia, Georgia page, there is a link to a town search portal, and Carrboro, North Carolina has the same), but no links to forums. Forums are chat, not search/information. Putting a link to a portal in is in the service of "find out more about [Place]," but putting a link to a forum is "locals play here." I.e. one serves an encyclopedia's readers, and one serves locals. Wikipedia is for the former, not the latter. Anyway, that's what I'd do. Geogre 13:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Query about barnstars
Hi Karmafist, I saw you created the "have you seen me?" barnstar (the barnstar for people who want barnstars). It's very good, and it made me think of asking for your help with something. I would like to create a barnstar for editors who are good at citing their sources. The only thing is that I have no idea how to do it. I have Adobe Photoshop, though not actually installed, but I have no idea how to use it. Would you consider helping me to make one, or giving me some guidance? If you don't have time, however, I'll completely understand, so no worries. SlimVirgin (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't know anything about Tables or Excel, though if I can think of someone I'll let you know. In the meantime, I'll try to think of an image for the cite sources barnstar. Perhaps if I can think of one, you can give me a couple of pointers about how to create it. ;-) SlimVirgin (talk) 20:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I'm pretty good with Photoshop, so feel free to contact me. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 04:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

re: parthenon
Thanks. I'm a New Englander too. I really love that Rockwell painting, I think maybe its his best of all. I'm not sure it will come across in the small icon size -- but if it wins, I'd have no problem with it at all. Herostratus 22:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * BTW, is there a list or category where all the userboxes are collected? If so it doesn't seem easy to find. Herostratus 05:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Approval
To thank you for your help with WP:NH, I give you approval.

Real estate stubs
Hi - I've moved your new stub to the correct name of Realestate-stub. Given that you've had the stub naming rules explained to you, it was either a typographical error or vandalism on your part to make the stub with this name, so I have assumed good faith and speedied the original as a typo. Grutness...wha?  23:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Historical Markers
As soon as it is a bit more cleaned up, I'm going to move the list of NH Historical Markers to New Hampshire Historical Markers. I put a list of priorities up on the discussion page which describe what I want to accomplish before I make it a true article. Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 07:25, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, Sudachi did a lot of the tedious copying of descriptions. He deserves as much, if not more, credit as I do. Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 07:27, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Well I am from Merrimack originally. I'd love to meet up for coffee but I'm not in town anymore. Sudachi 07:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Re: Indexing, I am going to try to add some kind of alphabetical thing like categories have to make it easier to find markers by title. This may not happen until later in the week depending on my schedule. Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 17:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If you are going to attempt to get a lot of them, we might need to create a gallery of somekind. (Try to get GPS coordinates while you're there :) )Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 17:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Stub sorting
Hello there. I noticed that you've got intrested in stub sorting. I'm sure what you do you do for the good of Wikipedia. There are also people who are devoting some of their time to this problem, Wikiproject Stub sorting. They try to keep an eye on all stub types and ensure they are as organized as possible. That's why any new stub template should be proposed before creation. However, not all templates are, so there's a page where discovered stub types are listed. You can see it's a busy page. There's also a page devoted to deletion and renaming of stub types, to ensure that unneded ones don't clutter up. So you can see it's a very busy Wikiproject.

I see that you decided to help by creating several new stub templates, for example Real estate-stub. I'd like to ask you, have you checked the contents of to move all suitable stubs to this new type? If not, then someone will have to do that for you, and I'm not sure it will happen any time soon. Futhermore, this stub type will be deleted if it doesn't collect 60 articles.

Next, there is a commotion on WP:SFD regarding New Hampshire redirects. I'm pretty sure that WP:WSS and WP:NH share one objective - that is, doing something to improve articles about New Hampshire (although WP:WSS will do it in a different manner, by just marking all suitable articles with NewHampshire-stub). Please understand that what you do is just adding work to WP:SFD (regardless of the outcome).

Bottom line: I really appreciate your desire to help with the stub sorting, but since you're helping, could you please do it in a way that will hurt no one? It only takes proposing stub templates before creation. Conscious 08:53, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Nobody's under any obligation to propose templates. While members of the Stub sorting organization might prefer that, I don't really feel that its fair to restrict creation of stub templates in such a way. A useful stub is a useful stub, whether it has 5 articles or 500 articles in it, the goal is to organize stub articles with as much precision as possible, so that users who are interested in a topic may easily find articles in that topic that exist and are in need of improvement. Your efforts at stub sorting should be to find those stub templates and accurately sort them, and any deletion discussions over a template should focus on the usefulness of the stub in the purpose I just named, not on whether certain criteria were followed with the creation of the stub, or on some arbitrary metric of how many stub articles are in a given stub category. After all, the goal is not to have many stub articles in a given category, because the stub has successfully led interested contributors to articles that have subsequently been improved beyond the stub level. Also, your sentence I'm not sure what you do for the good of Wikipedia could be better phrased. Lastly, you ask I'd like to ask you, have you checked the contents of to move all suitable stubs to this new type? If not, then someone will have to do that for you, and I'm not sure it will happen any time soon. I'm not personally sure what needs to be moved where, but can you explain why someone will have to do this for Karmafist, as I don't understand why Karmafist can't take care of this himself. Best regards, &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 16:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You misunderstood me, &Euml;vilphoenix, I'd be pretty satisfied if karmafist moved all real estate articles from to . Also, my language skills may not be perfect, but still I'd like to ask you not to alter what I've written. As for why there is a stub threshold, and why stub types should be proposed, you'd better asked at WP:WSS (or just read what the project pages say). If you want to change the situation, it would be the right place to go. Conscious 16:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought that your double use of you do was a typo, so I removed it. It's my understanding that it's reasonably ok to correct typos in other peoples comments, it is when the meaning is altered that there is a problem. However, if it bothers you, I will respect that. That being said, it was also not my intention to alter your meaning, but as Ive been sitting here re-reading, I just now realized I had misread what you wrote, and had therefore grossly misinterpreted your meaning. My apologies. However, I still maintain that a WikiProject does not neccessarily have jurisdiction over stub creation, but I will be happy to review those pages. Best regards, &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 22:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

It's good you've mentioned WP:POINT. It says, among other things: If I understand you right, you're concerned with the intuitiveness of WP:WSS/NG, but more significantly with the guideline of stub template proposal and approval. So why don't you set up a discussion on these topics, and why do you go for a confrontation instead?
 * If you wish to change an existing procedure or guideline...
 * do set up a discussion page and try to establish consensus
 * don't push the existing rule to its limits in attempt to prove it wrong, nor nominate the existing rule for deletion

As for WP:OWN, WP:WSS doesn't seem to control or try to control any article (as far as I can see). I can say that the project wants to have all stub templates under control, but that's what the project was designed for.

Let me also point you one guideline, WP:STUB. You seem to have violated it several times. Again, instead of stating you disagree with it (because you think the system is too bureaucratic or whatever), why don't you suggest a change to it?

Regards, Conscious 17:53, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool, thank you. I guess much of what I've just written is irrelevant. BTW, I've just noticed that the there's a 3 days old Villiage Pump discussion. :) Conscious 18:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

So, it looks like you didn't gain much support at the Village Pump. I hope you can live up to consensus. Conscious 14:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That was a bit snippy. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 16:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean it. Conscious 12:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Lion King
Thanks for your time mate! Be Lucky, Lion King 14:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * He's put it back in 2 times 2day once after I'd asked him not to do so- info is tech. correct, but not really relavant- he's doing it to try and demin. Millwall's acheivement it is my intetion to Rv it again. Best wishes, Lion King 16:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


 * 3 times now. I have been informed by a friend at the BBC, that "SteveO" is the name of someone on "Jackass" T.V. Lion King 18:25, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Not with you- which "hooligan" do you speak of? Lion King 18:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

May I respectfully suggest that you re-read the article again, in particular, "Millwall Supporters", I think you've missed the point. Lion King 19:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Is that the football that does'nt involve the use of the foot? Hope you mob wins anyway! Lion King 19:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

2005 (UTC)
 * You've got cricket pegged right- I went to a game once, but went home, cos Buddy Holly didn't show! Come on The Good Guys! Be Lucky, Lion King 20:21, 11 December


 * Most people in England feel the same way about Man. U. as you feel about the Yankees. We however treat them like a small war in a foriegn country. Millwall are a working class team, who play in Bermondsey, with just ordinary working class fans. We are from the "wrong" part of London, and because of that, ev'ryone hates us, and we hate them back, for hating us- and they say it's only a game! We sing "We hate West Ham", West Ham United irrespective of who we play-this is all rooted in the Millwall dock strike of 1899. Thanks for the info on your "Pats", great game, big hard geezers or wot? Glad they heard my war cry! All the best Lion King 22:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Wotcha mate! Spot on about "The Scum", what a bunch of tossers eh?  They don't even know why they hate us!  General strike?  What a giggle.  The Millwall dock strike was broken by the use of Scottish black legs brought down to London by C & E Morton, a Scottish owned food firm, who then went on to employ some of the strike breakers, three of whom were footballers who went on to play for Millwall.  I don't know what effect that had on their dopey iron works and those songs, Blowing Bubbles?  Who is Bubbles?  He must be fed up with it by now!  Our song about them is "Chim-Chiminey Chim, Chim, Charoo, we hate those bastards in Claret and Blue!"  We have an official club song called "Let Em Come" which is great but goes on for about a fortnight.  The one we sing most is, (to the tune of Sailing) "No one likes us, no one likes us, no one likes us we don't care -  We are Millwall, super Millwall, we are Millwall from the Den!"

I would say that the average Englishman knows where Boston is but not much else. We were taught about the Tea Party etc. but mostly New York is pushed down our throats night, noon and morning. It seems to me to be nothing more than the West End of London, OK if you've got loads of money! We will definitely need a cheer from you this Saturday at 3.00 pm GMT. We are rooted to the bottom of the table and if the new Chairman does't chuck some money in soon we'll get relegated to division 1! Hope your voice is loud enough to carry accross the Atlantic. Just holler "Come on you Lions!" at 3.00 pm OK? Best wishes Lion King 20:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey Bruv! Can you help me out with this SteveO Please? He just keeps coming back at me like a Pit-Bull- he's obsessed with stats. I don't want to loose it with him, know what I mean? Be Lucky. Lion King 18:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

He just wants to add; "though they did not face any team from the Premiership on route atfer the sentence; " Millwall qualified from the lowest league position in the history of the competion" Lion King 18:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm just a new user- I'm sitting at a PC given to me by a friend who is the BBC's top IT man- the screen alone is worth 800quid! I'm sure it will fly me to the moon when I learn how to use it! I'm just a guitar player- if I Knew how to send it, I would have Dude!Lion King 19:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand what is going on here. I think people are confused about the issue, there's an idiot come in accusing Millwall of being Racists! The only issue here is the addition, of the one sentence above Lion King 01:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Are you going to step in here or what? You declare open season on Millwall and back off. the isuse has been confused and is degenerating into a debate on RACISIM Lion King 16:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I was completly unaware that, "This is nonsense", constituted a "Personal Attack". May I respectfully suggest, that you address the real issue, in "The view of neutral initator", given the sensitive issues concerning racism in English football, and remove two black singers from the equation, as this has only confused and misrepresented the issue. Lion King 16:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Jesus
Please relook at Jesus to see if you want to support it for featured article status. Thanks. Scifiintel 18:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Caerwine not Caerwhine
I'm presuming you simply mistook the ironic name of my talk page link for my user page as my username. If you have a suggestion for how to preserve its intended humor while preventing others from making the same mistake, I'll be sure to consider it. Caerwine Caerwhine 22:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Warm Welcome
Thank you, Karmafist, for the warm welcome. I've been a user of Wikipedia for quite some time. Until recently I only rarely contributed to Wikipedia. However, I have been highly active on Wikisource for some time now.

I have tasked myself with expanding upon, and cleaning-up the Sanhedrin article. This is especially true of proper source-referencing, which the article lacks. But, I'm in the process of correcting that! :-) Given that you are miltilingual, could you take a look at this article's non-english counterparts and pass me a sumation of information they contain that the English language article lacks, or outright contradicts? I hope that is not too much to ask.

Thank You,

&mdash;Wikijeff

Wikipedia is Communism
Nice tag-team on the Communism vandal. That's teamwork, baby! *high fives* --Ryan Delaney talk 03:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Nashua New Hampshire
''Thanks for the new map, I think that article is on the verge of being featured, and your map pushed it a bit closer to making it. Just curious, what was your method of making it? GIS or just some graphic arts program?''


 * I go to the United States Census Cartographic Boundaries page and download the county and census border data. I then use TextPad to convert the data into an SVG format, which I edit in Illustrator, saving to PNG format.  Bastique 14:42, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Would you mind taking a look at this?
As you did the block for the violation on the article the last time, I'd appreciate it if you could look at this one. Thanks. Administrators' noticeboard/3RR Jayjg (talk) 15:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look. Jayjg (talk) 18:54, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections
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Candidacy page
I know how you feel, I've had my own filled with various personal attacks loosely disguised as "questions". I think the best thing to do is, if at all possible, to simply ignore your attackers, don't respond. Jayjg (talk) 22:05, 12 December 2005 (UTC) While on the topic of your candidacy page, I'd like to apologise for what my "rule on the behaviour of not only one party involved, but all of them." question led to. I already said, I don't think CBDunkerson did anything wrong in the Arbitration case of Pigsonthewing. Yes, quite some of his evidence had to do with you. You were a directly involved party. When evidence regarding Pigsonthewing was presented, you could be involved. When you refered to Pigsonthewing/Andy, it might have been relevant to ascertain his motives/motivations. From my point of view, CBDunkerson tried to balance the evidence to present a more complete picture, while Pigsonthewing was evidently unwilling to do so. I wouldn't call you a liar (your last sentence here), because that's not the kind of person I am and because I don't think you're that's the kind of person you are. But sometimes things aren't as easiliy divided between true and false, which is where a word like "assume" comes into a phrase (or policy) like Assume Good Faith. I think you are in favour of a more - what's a good word? fierce? pro-active? take charge? - ArbCom, which may be a good thing, but if it happens, the ArbCom will still have to consider all the sides of an issue. I expect, such an ArbCom would not have handled Pigsonthewings case as kindly as they have concerning you. Perhaps you and CBDunkerson should consider trying to talk things out? Perhaps on a more suitable page like your own talk pages (User_talk:Karmafist and User_talk:CBDunkerson)? Thank you for your attention. 131.155.229.224 13:52, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Maoririder
I'm confused. Is this user under mentorship, or a mentor, or both? Gazpacho 23:11, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Kumanovo
This is really starting to annoy me. Bitola is making bad edits over and over and other users are refusing to take the time to actually look at what he's posting. Im leaving this alone for tonight. Later I'll revert and protect it unless the BS stops. freestylefrappe 02:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm taking this to arbitration. You're block is completely illegitimate. You claim you want to "bury the hatchet", then you get involved in a situation in which I am clearly in the right, and then you have the cahones to block me. Amazing. As soon as the block wears off I'm protecting the page to the last non-vandalized version. 165.247.82.173 03:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes...it must be a great mystery who I am...my IP is almost the exact same as Freestylefrappe...and I'm editing a section in which only Freestylefrappe was involved in...and I referenced a quote on Freestylefrappe's talkpage...I must be Zen-Master... 165.247.82.173 03:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * When taking the time to block a user one usually reverts that user's edits. But clearly you knew that, since you're an admin. 165.247.82.173 03:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * No. You've got it wrong and you just showed you dont even understand what the dispute is about. The content dispute was a separate issue. Bitola's removal of the violence was reverted by multiple users. He then posted a copyvio from the site he claims I posted a copyvio. Then he posted a badly worded version of the same copyvio. The dispute - right now - is over how badly written his posts are. 165.247.82.173 03:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Userboxes
Wow! I am very impressed with your large number userboxes. I have only just discovered userboxes. If you make your own, how do you know what the colours are called? Is there a way i can view all the colour names? Also, is there away i can make a userbox that i have made a recognised one? Thanks--Ali K 09:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Check out Web colors for colors. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 16:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Noting blocks
Hi Karmafist &mdash; I guess I ought to check the block log more religiously, but it would be a great help if you could comment on the talk page of the person you're blocking when you block them. I saw Freestylefrappe's violation at 3RR, saw no one had replied, saw no one had posted a message on his talk page, and so blocked him myself. I've since corrected my mistake and re-set my timer to expire when yours does, but it probably couldn't hurt in general to leave an explicit note on the Talk page.

Thanks! &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  14:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem, thanks. &mdash; Asbestos | Talk   (RFC)  16:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza Election
Karma, as you are probably aware, the Esperanza elections are coming up. After running for the advisory committee last time, with some degree of success, I have decided to run for the same post again. I noticed that you (graciously) voted for me last time. I hope I can count on your vote again! Working together, we can make Wikipedia a better, more inclusive place. Yours in Esperanza, JDH Owens.

Thanks for the welcome
Which encouraged me to write an article: Asalouyeh. I am sure there are a billion things wrong with it - if can spare any time some feedback would be great! Commking 23:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a heap for adding the map (I'll have to look into how to do that) and for your feedback. I'll expand and correct the article after more thought and then put it up for review as you suggest. --Commking 22:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)