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Akond
Hello, I started this article using an older source, but cannot find any information on this topic to bring the content up-to-date. Can you help? Thanks. &mdash; 0918 BRIAN • 2006-01-10 03:02
 * Akhoond is most likely the same thing, because the entry was from 1728, and they spelled most words differently back then. &mdash; 0918 BRIAN • 2006-01-10 13:07
 * I'm not sure if they should be merged. If the term "akhoond" isn't used outside of Iran, then they should probably be merged. &mdash; 0918 BRIAN • 2006-01-11 15:10

Hitler's visit to Iran
Hello, You said you couldn't find any sources on Hitler visiting Iran. It is my fault I should have been more clear. In the summer of 2005, I visited Iran and the national car museum. I know someone high up in "Miras Farhangi" and they arranged a private tour for me and the tour guide upon reaching the Mercedes 500K said that the car was driven by Hitler in Iran. I tried looking into it and found that he apparently drove the car from Iran to Russia. The following are some websites I found: The Washington Post and the Lamborghini Registry. I hope this was usefull. I also took the liberty of reading your user page and found that you share my great passion and love about Iran and Persian History. I am working on a website and a wiki on Iran and its history, but I am trying to make a one stop website for all information about Iran from Music and history to Sports and our own 24/7 Radio. Currently it is only me working on it and I wanted to know if you would like to join me. --( Aytakin ) | Talk 03:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC) -- Thank you for clearing that up! --Kash 10:01, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * A forum is a good idea, I'll try to make one. But the main reason I haven't been online is that, I have been really buy with work and all. But in 2 weeks it'll be over. I'll try to come on MSN a bit more and I'll work on the forum. --( Aytakin ) | Talk 12:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Username change
Please see my comments beneath your request at Changing username. Regards &mdash; Dan | talk 19:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Eid

 * Eid Mubarak! --JuanMuslim 1m 16:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Shirin Ebadi
Good point. And I agree. Do you have or know of a good color pic of her that doesnt have copyright protection? The pic on her page isnt very classy or portrait-style. I'm sure there are better pictures of her. With or without Hijab. Doesnt matter.--Zereshk 19:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Category
No problem :). Hmm.. it shows up on my screen. Maybe the older version is still in your cache. Evil saltine 02:04, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Freedom Iran
Yep..that's the box. I mean, someone might say "What do you mean? Iranians are not already free!" I'll put it on my page. Thanks! deeptrivia (talk) 21:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I never found it offensive, and I think any reasonable person should not find it offensive. I was only wondering if there are any unreasonable people out there who might be "offended". deeptrivia (talk) 22:17, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates
Please help to solidify and improve the Persian Empire article, its currently on Featured article candidates. Amir85 19:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Alleged vandalism
===>What? How did I vandalize User Free Iran? I added a relevant link, which is not vandalism. Look, if you don't like what I did, revert it, discuss it on my Talk page, or the template's talk page, but don't allege vandalism, especially when that's not what it is. Vandalism is any addition, deletion, or change to content made in a deliberate attempt to reduce the quality of the encyclopedia. I was trying to increase the quality of the template by including this link, not decrease it, and if you disagree, trying being civil instead. -Justin (koavf), talk 03:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

===>Aight We cool. -Justin (koavf), talk 14:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Dorod
Hi. Do you think we have any chance to promote an Iran-related article to Featured articles ? if so do you have any article in mind that we could work on it for promotion ? Amir85 13:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Salam
Kash,

Could you please drop a line and voice your opinion on Iranian people page? Some people there are trying to erase the page saying that the term "Iranian people" never existed.

btw,

that Kathmayan photo you uploaded, is it really in Tehran, or was it in Kish?

b-cool.--Zereshk 23:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you relax, take a deep breath and have some water, then re-think what you are doing.

I see you have described humans on your userpage, but I don't see any direct sources that you are one? please correct this or I will have to put it up for deletion''

Hi, I see an iraniann unable to provide credible and relevant sources for defination of boggus article of Iranian peoples and becomes angry and think can provoke me. No, sorry! you can't! Thanks.  D iyako Talk + 01:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Iranian continent
Dear Kash, would you please take a look at the discussions going on in this page. We need your vote. Thanks. --Gorbeh09:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Persians
The user Aucaman has been vandalizing Persian people, as well as several other Iran-related articles, claiming that "modern Persians are mix of Arabs and Mongols" editing the article, or adding a dispute tag, based on his own personal assumptions and conclusions without any valid source to support such outrageous revisionist theory. If you have an opinion on this topic, please join the Talk:Persian_people, so we can reach a consensus for the removal of the "dispute tag".

Talk:Persian_people#Neutrality_problems
Please post a comment on Talk:Persian_people, we have to show that we have a majority consensus on this issue before removing the the "dispute tag". One or two users are pulling the strawman in the argument to ultimately VANDALIZE the article.

Aryan reference
Just because you read something in your 2nd grade history book in some other language it doesn't mean you can put it in Wikipedia. See WP:NOR. AucamanTalk 04:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Iranian Watchdog
Aucaman and a few others like Heja Helweda and Diyako have been repeatedly and systematically vandalizing the Iran-related topics such as Persian people and Iranian peoples, propagating false information, maliciously editing/disputing/deleting without one shred of proof to backup their wild claims, applying the strawman falsification approach, trying to establish new 'facts" based on their own personal assumptions and beliefs.

In order to prevent this situation, we need to create an Iranian Watchdog on Wikipedia and guard the integrity and quality of all the Wikipedia articles that are related to Iran and Iranians. Please let me know if you think that's a good idea. --ManiF 12:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Salam Khashayar. I also think it is a good idea to set up some kind of project to keep Iranian pages free of such wrongful accusations. What is your opinion?


 * I am all up for this but I think if we can have an admin, then this will definately help. I am really busy this week, but I can always find the time to do some emergency editing! --Kash 10:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

No Personal Attacks Please!
I don't like personal attacks. I am specifically referring to your comments here. I think we can have a respectful and constructive discussion leading to the improvement of the articles. Thanks.Heja Helweda 01:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * These were not toward you, so don't get involved in it. --Kash 01:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Iran
Please keep an eye on ths Open Tasks template, and make use of it. deeptrivia (talk) 03:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Request for cabal mediation - Persians
Please voice your opinions and present facts and sources in the comment section here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02_Persian_people

Reply
See what Diyako's reasons for adding the tag are on the talk page. I don't want this to be another Talk:Persians nightmare. ;) --Khoikhoi 02:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Try Requests for comment. --Khoikhoi 02:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, this is a very large process - I'll do it later if things get worse, ok? I'm pretty busy right now, but I'll be willing to help you with other things. --Khoikhoi 02:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks man. I appreciate it. :) --Khoikhoi 02:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Removing tags
Dispute tags are important message to the users of wikipedia that there is an ongoing dispute about the article and all the data there should be checked. Please do not remove them lightly, it may consider to be vandalism, see WP:V. abakharev 02:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I am affraid I am not familiar with the topic enough to tell who is right in your dispute. Please see my comment on the talk page abakharev 03:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:AIV

 * Just so you know, you cannot remove anything posted on the WP:AIV page unless you are an admin. If you are being suggested for a block, and you contest it, you should wait until the admin makes a decision.  If you haven't done anything wrong, you will not be blocked.  If you are blocked and you disagree, you can contest it.  Just please do not remove anything from the WP:AIV page.  Thanks!!  Kntrabssi 02:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Persian People Mediation

 * Removing the tag is not the way to solve this situation. The way to do it is to bring it to mediation, as it is currently, and present your case.  Let the Admins make the decision.  I understand why you are removing the tag, however, you should not remove the tag until mediation is over.  For the record, I do agree with you: Arayan is not a racial term but a description of a race of people, much like "Jew".  But present these arguments in the mediation case, and once that is settled, you will have no need for a content dispute tag!!  Kntrabssi 02:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I have also added my two cents in the case. Kntrabssi 02:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Re Parliament of Kurdistan in Exile
I read the link you gave me on Parliament of Kurdistan in Exile and it's clearly not a copyvio as the content User:Diyako gave is clearly not the same, please dont revert, as you are very close to 3rr that article. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 04:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't normally deal with Muslum PoV disputes, place the article on WP:AFD if you want. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 04:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok I misread, it's a copyvio. I aplogize, --Jaranda wat's sup 04:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't normally deal with Middle Eastern disputes, but I can meditate the situatuion if you want, but it has to be tommorrow. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 04:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The PKE Article is deleted --Jaranda wat's sup 04:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Doroud
Hey there, I need some more resources for Sassanid Empire article before I nominate it to FA. Do you have any ? another thing, do you know any poem related to Sassanids...? I'm adding a new section under name Sassanids in Persian literature and I need some poems, so far I dont have many but I know there are alot. -- Amir85 12:27, Friday 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Kingdom of Kurdistan
Hi man, I'm not quite sure what you are getting at... Is it that you are surprised that the English Wikipedia article is larger than the Kurdish Wikipedia article? Well, many articles related to the Kurds are larger on the en.wiki than the ku.wiki, see Kurdistan for example. Please if you think you have any comments to make regarding the content or structure of the article, make them on the talk page :) - FrancisTyers 14:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Please do not call my edits anti-iranian. Your standpoint for the article persian people was not the same as persian wikipedians did in persian wikipedia. Read talk page of persian wikipedia on persian people! There i said the same thing as you claim now. but they all disagreed and instead they moved article persian people to Persian speaking people!  D iyako Talk + 14:51, 3 March 2006 (UTC) http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB:%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B3%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D8%B2%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86


 * So u see that this is you who are pushing your POV! In persian wikipedia I started an article on Persian people. But people soon disagreed that there is nothing called persian people but Persian speaking people! Do you agree with that? to rename the persian people article. I'm sure many Iranian wikipedians suport it. those who love Iran more.
 *  D iyako Talk + 15:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes I tried but no result. They did not believe there is a persian people! and no one helped me. http://fa.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B3%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D8%B2%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86&action=history many times people called me wild. or bad words. I said nothing. as a result I left persian wikipedia.
 *  D iyako Talk + 15:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Now you exactly understand what I mean. but I do not know why some people disagree with every edit I do. If my name was Jamshid or keyvan I do not think they disagreed with me.  D iyako Talk + 15:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure exactly what you mean essential to Iranian indentity. for a lo.....ng time there was a dispute or as you call it attack on the Kurdish articles. I already studied many books and credible references and knew the definition of Kurdish people exactly. and had info about many middle eastern people who speak Iranian languages such as persian people. but some users wanted push their pov through an article in wikipedia. they insisted and isisted, then I was forced to be a litttle more sreious and showed that this issue has no scientific base which you are making it as a base for your attacks on other pages. there are many issues which are not correct here. for ex: About persian people. Norouz. and others which really are not correct. but I never disputed it or involved in the discussions seriously. I just have left them alone and create stubs or informative articles on Middle Eastern related issues such as Kurds hoping other neutral Kurdish/non-Kurdish individuals will expand it.  D iyako Talk + 15:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan
This article is not in the least a candidate for speedy deletion. The article never claims to refer to an internationally-recognised country. It's referring to a group of like-minded and like-cultured people, of which there are PLENTY who use the term. Therefore, the article is just as valid as one like Bible Belt. If you have a dispute with specific content on the page, discuss it on its talk page, and please consult the Criteria for speedy deletion before using the tag again. Also, make sure that you refrain from any sort of personal attacks and abusive language. Thank you. --InShaneee 18:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * My mistake, accept my apologies. --Kash 18:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * 6 million Google hits hardly constitutes "a few nationals" in my humble opinion. But if you would like to propose this change, Requested moves is the proper place to list them. --InShaneee 20:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see what you mean. I'm certainly no expert on the subject, so I wasn't aware of that. --InShaneee 20:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No. You're not asking for the article to be deleted, so regardless of what you or he said, it can't be discussed on that page, and has to be discussed on the page I listed above if you want it renamed. --InShaneee 20:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been looking into all of this a bit, and I'm planning on removing the 'dispute' tags from the Kurdish articles since, as far as I can tell, you have no problem with the articles besides their titles, in which case the tag is innapropriate. --InShaneee 20:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I really don't think deletion is the answer. I may not know a lot about the topic, but the articles do appear to be HISTORICALLY acurrate, well-written, and decently sourced. --InShaneee 20:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm only taking sides based on wikipedia policy and what I believe to be appropriate. Believe me, I have no stake in this whatsoever, either way. As I said, in your comment on the talk page, all you dispute is the title. What else in the articles are you disputing? Regardless of my stance, the tag can't stay unless you can provide more of a reason for it. --InShaneee 20:23, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * "It doesn't exist" still isn't citing any specific conflict. The article really isn't describing a place any more than Bible Belt is, it's really just talking about a group of people. And, as I've said, the actual history information (about wars and such) all does seem to be factually accurate, meaning the article IS viable. As I've said, if you want to suggest a change of name, you're welcome to do so, but the Dispute tag is not needed for that. --InShaneee 20:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Bible Belt doesn't have a ton of citation simply because it doesn't have any definate, set-in-stone boundaries, but the general location is agreed upon by many. I use this as an example because, like Kurdistan, you won't find the Bible Belt on any map, as it has no legally recognised meaning. If you want to mention that it's a 'locally used' term, or that it's not legally recognized as a country, you could propose putting that in the article. Would that solve the dispute for you? --InShaneee 20:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * What are you characterizing as 'academic sources'? It's clear from what I've seen that a large number of people use the term, so, even if it isn't a country in the legal sense, the term still has some relevance. --InShaneee 20:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't make personal attacks, I've been more than patient here. I think, and stop me if I'm wrong, is that you're looking for academic sources that these Kurdistan areas are countries, which they aren't, so no sources will exist. However, these places do seem to satisfy the definition of a Nation, in which case all that is needed is proof that the term is used by a relitively large group of people. --InShaneee 00:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I think you're misunderstanding my terminoligy. Nations are simply groups of people with a similar ethnic origin. They don't have clearly defined borders or any sort of legal standing; that's a State. The article doesn't claim that Kurdistan is a state, though I suppose the distinction could be made more clear. As for a scholarly source, how about this? --InShaneee 00:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes! Is says that the term describes the Kurds living in Syria! And it shows that the term is used, as I said. --InShaneee 00:41, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It sounds to me that it's describing the place the Kurds live in, which is acceptable if they are a Nation. However, I do see that this could be made clearer. --InShaneee 00:47, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * French Canadian comes to mind as another example of a nation (it simply refers to french-speaking people living in Canada). As for your other comments, firstly, I'm not really sure if there are any pro-Kurd extremists here, but as I've said, none of there articles I've seen have claimed to describe a state (legally-defined territory). As for the name, I'm really not qualified to say which would be a better name, but you have the link to the appropriate place to post it if you'd like to propose a change. --InShaneee 01:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Just keep assuming good faith. I probably should have pointed you to one of that page's sub-pages, such as Franco-Columbian. And as I've been saying, I believe that the articles we've been discussing should be formatted something like that, and if not, perhaps they should be edited. --InShaneee 01:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The difference there is that a 'nation' discusses a fairly dense, decently sized group of people. To my knowledge, there are no truly sizable communities of Iranians in the US (ie, entire cities, ect). --InShaneee 01:10, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * That is a good point; however, 'sounding like' a political article and actually being a policital article (as opposed to some other article with political overtones that need to be rewritten) are two different things. However, the bottom line is that I'm really not the person you need to be convincing of any of this; any name changes would need to go through the proper channels, and I have little to no say in that. --InShaneee 01:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No one is denying that Iraqi and Iranian Kurdistans exists because those regions are officially recognized by the central governments as provinces of the sovereign nations of Iran and Iraq. That, however, is not the case with the imaginary Turkish and Syrian "Kurdistan" which is neither a region nor an entity within Turkey or Syria. Unless you have an authoritative academic source that says otherwise. --ManiF 00:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * wikipedia is not the place to promote political nationalist ideas. Kurds are an ethnic group but they do not have a region named after them in either Syria or Turkey. There are a lot of Armenians in Turkey and Syria too, but we don't have a "Turkish Armenia" or "Syrian Armenia", now do we? Please provide an academic source to counter our argument or stop pushing your POV. --ManiF 00:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!



 * No problem. Same to you buddy. --Khoikhoi 01:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Kash, I'm so sorry to revert you but Diyako's right - the talk page is currently in the center of a great dispute and it would be a better idea to archive the talk page when the dispute's over. I wanted to do the same thing on Talk:Persian people but things just haven't been resolved yet. :( Sorry again. --Khoikhoi 01:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I don't know about the "changing the dispute" part. Perhaps Diyako could be more specific. --Khoikhoi 02:06, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Has an admin come to the talk page to resolve the dispute yet? If he/she hasn't, then the meditation hasn't even started. --Khoikhoi 02:14, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, I suggest you stop reverting on Talk:Iranian peoples for now. It's not worth it, and I'm afraid some admin looking around might block you. --Khoikhoi 02:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

No one's watching the Aryans page!!
We have all been spending all of our time on the Persian people page that No one's watching the Aryans page!! On the Persian people page everyone has been trying to stop User:Heja_helweda and User:Aucaman saying it is racist to use the term "Aryan" on the page that everyone forgot about the Aryans page. I was looking at the history of that page and I saw that User:Heja_helweda has made some changes. If you have some time please check out what has changed and try to fix any bad mistakes similar to the Persian Peoples page that they might have made. Thanks --( Aytakin ) | Talk 02:20, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Blocked
I have blocked you for 24 hours for blanking of Talk:Iranian peoples. --Shanel 02:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, how do you know he did that on purpose and it was not an accident?Zmmz 03:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ummm, he started archiving the talk page several times, and reverted once or twice as well. That doesn't look like an accident to me.--Shanel 03:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It was not 'several times' it was twice, before I got a warning. --Kash 15:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * This was totally unfair and I am appealing against this decision --Kash 15:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Add to your talk page. --Khoikhoi 07:14, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, it looks like you already got unblocked. --Khoikhoi 07:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)