User talk:KataPrix

Patufet/Garbanzito
I'm not sure about the merger of these two. Right now the article says that the Catalan one is the original and the Spanish one is the translation. Do you have a source indicating that's the case? Calliopejen1 (talk) 06:55, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, the tale is exactly the same, so I think they should be merged.
 * Which one is the original one (if there is one) could be another discussion... Here, in Spain, Garbancito is usually presented as a traditional catalan tale.
 * I found some examples online but I don't know which can be considered the best source:


 * "El nombre está inspirado en el protagonista de un cuento infantil tradicional catalán."
 * "Adaptación de Martes de cuento del relato popular catalán"
 * "Garbancito - Cuento tradicional Catalan"
 * "Es Patufet (Garbancito). Cuento tradicional catalán"
 * "[... "Garbancito", que proviene del cuento catalán "En Patufet".]"


 * It's often also said that the spanish version doesn't rhyme while the Catalan does, so it should be the original:
 * "La frase "a la panxa del bou, que no hi neva ni hi plou" ("en la barriga del buey, donde ni nieva ni llueve"") es muy popular y conocida, y para mantener la rima del catalán se modificó ligeramente en castellano."
 * "Posiblemente el origen del cuento sea catalán ya que la frase "a la panxa del bou, que no hi neva ni hi plou" ("en la panza del buey, que no nieva ni llueve") sí que rima en catalán y no en castellano. El Patufet catalán es más popular que su versión castellana, tiene hasta una escultura dedicada en plena plaza Folch i Torres de Granollers."


 * Also, Garbancito is usually illustrated with traditional Catalan clothing...
 * What do you think? Should we add some of these sources? I'm newbie here... (KataPrix (talk) 10:44, 26 August 2020 (UTC))
 * Also, the spanish article Garbancito redirects to Patufet since 2010. --KataPrix (talk) 10:53, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm. you're probably right, but the problem is that none of those sources is very good at all. Ideally, we'd want a folklorist saying this is essentially the same thing. It's not completely simple because, for example, Patufet is considered different from Tom Thumb (at least a different enough variation to have its own article), even though in many respects they are also the same story. One other issue: the sources in the Garbancito article mention that the Garbancito tale can have various endings. I'm not sure if that's true with Patufet, and it possibly should be mentioned in the Patufet article to the extent Garbancito is merged there. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:02, 26 August 2020 (UTC)