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Your RFA
I de-listed your RFA because the questions are unanswered. Frankly, I'd suggest putting it off for a few more months until you have done some more vandal-fighting or participated in more deletion discussions. A lot of people will oppose you just for having less than 500 edits. In general, you just need more experience around here before becoming an admin. I'd be happy to adopt you to help you avoid blind spots while you get that experience.--Chaser - T 18:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Alright, I guess you can delete my RfA, then. Thank you for your kind advice. Katanin 18:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I discouraged you. I applaud your enthusiasm in wanting to help the project. It's just too early.--Chaser - T 18:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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Flight of the Conchords
Hi! I notice that you have done a bit of work related to the Conchords. You may like to look at a very new wiki devoted to them: http://flightoftheconchords.wikia.com. Robin Patterson (talk) 06:01, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria?
Hi Katanin,

You asked how I got the results from the show before it aired. I'm not quite sure what you mean; I watched the live show on CBC, then updated the page accordingly. Perhaps the show is aired at a different time where you live. I like how you switched the order of the contestants so that they are ranked by placing. I hope you're enjoying the show!

Neelix (talk) 11:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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I see "Groundion" there.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 20:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

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FOX is still airing 706 as we speak. I will update the article by 9:55e. Altarep (talk) 01:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, please do not add the results until the episode is finished airing. Connormah (talk &#124; contribs) 01:44, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? I'm in Canada, and it isn't finished airing. Still, it's best to wait until it's done in the States. Connormah (talk &#124; contribs) 01:46, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 706 is still airing in the US as we speak. I know citytv had the better advantage but it would be best to leave the FOX viewers waiting. Our results reflected the results after watching on citytv. Altarep (talk) 01:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, man! 707-708 had finished airing 30 mins ago and the results reflected citytv. FOX viewers may continue to dominate, but not on my house! Thanks again! Altarep (talk) 01:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Digimon Xros Wars
I have seen your recent contribution to Digimon Xros Wars. I left a note on the explanation stating the difference from the Starmon seen on this show and the Starmon we are more familiar with. As for your categorizing of Minotarumon, Tankmon, and Bulbmon, how are you sure that there wouldn't be more of them to make up the foot soldiers alongside the as-yet-unnamed Digimon in the Bagura Empire Army? Also, the Rhinomon were present in the army with MadLeomon meaning that they are also alternate steeds for the Bagura Empire Army. Rtkat3 (talk) 9:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I will allow this for now. We still have to list the differences between the two Starmon somehow. Rtkat3 (talk) 9:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I will support your suggestion. Perhaps as the series progresses, we will learn the names of those unnamed Digimon that are in the Bagura Empire's army. Rtkat3 (talk) 9:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Digimon Xros Wars 2
Even though we will have the other Digimon listed on the Digimon Wiki's Bagura Army page, you could've at least kept the Troopmon on the page. Outside of attacking Cutemon's village, some will be appearing with Tactimon when he shows up in person during Team Xros Heart's fight with AncientVolcamon. Rtkat3 (talk) 5:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course the Troopmon are like the enemy foot soldiers seen in the Power Rangers series, VR Troopers, Beetleborgs, and the Kamen Rider Series. Rtkat3 (talk) 1:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Digimon Xros Wars 3
Hi there. I have heard that in the manga, there was a Digimon called MachLeomon who was the Green Zone's general in the Digimon Xros Wars manga. He resembles MadLeomon except that it wields daggers. I was wondering if we should mention something like that because the Digimon Wiki has some info on him. Also, the ranks for Tactimon, Blastmon, and Lilithmon are mentioned to be Commanding Officers. Rtkat3 (talk) 12:12, 5 September 2010

OOO
There is no source for which medals of Mezool's go to which body parts. Also the Denki Unagi Candroid should have been removed.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 06:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, please try to use spellings on the page. We don't call it "Ratoratah".— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 07:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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Misfits cast
Hi! The misfits cast section on the misfits page says "cast", not "cast who are in the credits". Plenty of tv shows don't have opening credits with cast members listed, or they list guest cast, we wouldn't not list anyone or list everyone just to suit the titles. Even if that did determine how cast members are classed as main cast, they are listed in the end credits above the recurring characters. Alex is a regular,, there are probably loads of other sources saying so, same for Seth, i just don't have the time to dredge them all up. According to Manual of Style/Television even if Seth and Alex are recurring they should be listed, if the cast list was overly crowded then they should be split in to "main cast" and "recurring cast" sections in the cast section, but with only nine members of cast it wouldn't be worthwhile to split the sections. Please stop being unconstructive with your edits and reverting other people with out looking at guidelines and sources properly. D4nnyw14 (talk) 22:12, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems as if you misinterpreted the article you cited as evidence. "For the main article of a series, it may be appropriate to split up the cast listing by 'Main characters' and 'Recurring characters'" and "When organizing the cast section, please keep in mind that 'main' cast status is determined by the series producers, not by popularity or screen time". News outlets are not necessarily reliable sources for such matters and, per your logic, characters such as Greg, who was listed in the end credits before Seth, should be added as well. The opening credits have consistently been used to denote who the main characters are as determined by contract and production. While the characters of Alex and Abby were reported as being regulars during casting, their treatment since the series began proves that there was clearly a shift in the character's direction. There needs to be some sort of official rule denoting what determines notable cast members and where to draw the line. I have clearly defined what I consider to be noteworthy in the main page and you have not. - Katanin (talk) 23:22, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I know, but in place of evidence from producers other sources should be used. Another source is this interview,, Matt Stokoe says Alex is "one of the first main characters who’s not in orange, but he’s integral to the storyline". In another interview Matt Strevens was saying viewers would have to wait to see if Abby joines the "main gang" and calls Finn, Jess and Alex the "new gang" and says Alex is "not in orange but is key to the series story arc". I can't check now, but i'm sure Alex and Seth are listed above the "With" bit in the credits, so are above the recurring and guest cast. Even if you ignore this, the section is a "Cast" section not a main cast or a recurring cast, so should inlude those that are given a large emphasis and that includes Seth and Alex, other characters may also fall in to that too, but out of all of them Seth and Alex are the most obvious. They have been treated as regulars since their introductions, appearing consecutively in every episode since they were introduced and given their own storylines, Abby isn't introduced until next week either. D4nnyw14 (talk) 23:50, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You may not be bothered to check but I was and Seth is very clearly stated below the "with" (and sometimes below the "and") in the closing credits. The page you linked earlier and which I quoted in my previous message stated that screen time has nothing to do with main characters. By your logic, characters such as Greg and Shawn, who consistently appeared in every episode during their respective series, should be added to the main cast too. I have outlined a strict guideline as to whom should be in the main cast list on the front page in order to stop debates like this from happening. Your method for whom is to be added to the list is arbitrary and goes against the rules set out by the very article you showed me. What we should do is have an official vote take place on the Misfits talk page in order to settle this instead of continuing this edit war. - Katanin (talk) 00:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No, i don't have the dvds handy and 4OD won't work, not that i couldn't be bothered to check. I did bother to find several sources from official members of production, which you ignored. I was also saying characters like Shaun, Greg and Nikki are important enough to be considered main cast, although they were never part of the main group and never got anywhere near as much screen time as Seth or Alex, or their own storyline but the guidelines also state "by the series producers", which is where Matt Stokoke is getting his information from and Matt Strevens is producer and saying they are the "main gang". Your guidelines are exactly that, YOUR guidelines, you can't just decide that the only way to denote main or starring cast is through the opening credits, we can't do that for many tv shows and it doesn't work in this case either. D4nnyw14 (talk) 00:43, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Again, it has nothing to do with screen time. The guidelines that I am choosing to follow are those that are followed by many other TV shows on Wikipedia. The guidelines that you are outlining are your own and are arbitrary. It's not just my decision, it's a procedure that has been used throughout countless numbers of television shows on Wikipedia for years. You are the one who is straying from the precedent, by adding characters who are not in the main cast without denoting their status. - Katanin (talk) 00:50, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No i am not. No where in the guidelines does it state "main cast is completely denoted by opening credits". For example, in Torchwood Indira Varma was credited in the opening titles of episode 1 but never again, she isn't included in the cast section even though she appeared in the titles, other tv shows, such as Skins, never list cast in the opening titles but use common sense and secondary sources to tell who are the main cast. Screen time is obviously important, you can't ignore that, it is a contributing factor in whether somebody is a main cast member or not, you can't have a main cast member who makes one fleeting appearance. I am not outlining any of my own guidelines, i'm using common sense. Other articles use common sense too. The opening titles do not correctly reflect the character's status - i have provided other sources from production members who say they are regulars and from secondary sources, you have not provided any sources saying they are recurring cast or not regular cast, you are basing the whole concept on a thirty second opening sequence. D4nnyw14 (talk) 01:03, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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Blood vs. Water
I'm well aware of how things have gone historically on the season pages. But "it's always been that way" doesn't mean it's still necessarily the best way. I inserted those last names because it's the first time in the article we're introduced to those names. For fans like myself (perhaps like you) we know right away who Laura M or Tyson or Gervase are. But for somebody who doesn't know anything about the season or about any of them, it would be beneficial for the first and last name of the castaway to be written out the first time they appear in each section. That's what I've done in the summary and in the episode descriptions. Notice I didn't repeatedly add the last names in throughout the remainder of each section. But the first time somebody's introduced, having their last name helps identify them to unfamiliar readers.

As for the Ciera voting Laura out note, I felt that was important. On a season where players compete against their loved ones and the most obvious question of the season would be "will any player be willing to vote out their loved one?" I felt a small note that it did happen would be a key point in the summary. I can see where it would look like trivial information though, so I understand the removal. If you feel strongly enough that it shouldn't be there, I won't add it back.

I'm trying to get some thoughts together to improve all of the Survivor seasons articles. I've opened a discussion about a whole load of topics on Talk:Survivor (U.S. TV series) to not such an overwhelming amount of responses. This situation here leads me to believe that I'm going to find difficulties cracking open new possibilities for improvement on these articles due to the attachment everyone has developed since the articles have all been the same for years.  Gloss •  talk  22:07, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your message. I understand your point regarding the summary, maybe inclusion of surnames would be helpful provided they were done sparingly and simply, as you did in the BvW article before my reversion. Regarding Ciera voting out Laura, it ultimately didn't impact the season and I felt it wasn't necessary. Before I began editing the summary sections (about a year ago), they were incredibly detailed - some even longer than the episode summaries themselves - and I felt that the sections were to be a streamlined explanation of major events that happened throughout the season that ultimately resulted in the winner's victory. In terms of me feeling strongly, I'm a pretty malleable editor, but my opinion is that Ciera voting out her mom is much like Brandon Hantz's expulsion from Caramoan: a unique moment hyped up for ratings purposes that ultimately had little impact on the season as a whole, thus not meriting inclusion in the summary.


 * I will definitely participate in your discussion on the talk page. Kudos for starting it, it's greatly appreciated. Best, Katanin (talk) 21:03, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I do understand your reasoning on the Ciera/Laura line, so I have no problem leaving it off. Do you have any issues with the surnames being added back in the way I had it? (only the first time it appears in the article... not counting the lead) because if not I'll go ahead and re-add them. I look forward to your help in the future, thanks!  Gloss •  talk  22:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Looking for your opinion
Over at Survivor: All-Stars, I tried a change where I moved the votes to it's own row right underneath the eliminated contestants' names. Very minor move. The goal was to eliminate the repetition of the word "votes" in an effort to save space and fit the entire table on the page. What are your thoughts on this?  Gloss •  talk  06:33, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I was initially skeptical but can understand its function, especially in the business of saving space. It could be a bit weird to mentally navigate (such as "why are there all these fractions again?") but I can see how it works, although I'm not particularly passionate either way. - Katanin (talk) 06:40, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Valid point, either way works. The current version saves space, the other version may cause less confusion. Hm.  Gloss •  talk  06:43, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Survivor-related discussion
Hi there! I've noticed you're a regular contributor to Survivor articles, so I thought I'd let you know about a proposal I've made over at Talk: Survivor (U.S. TV series). I'd love to have your input about it! Survivorfan1995 (talk) 02:59, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

First episode
I've been mis-reading this whole time, so my apologies. I thought the user who placed those tables there had included the TVGN preview episode (I didn't really notice the date), so that's why I placed that description there. Sorry for the confusion.  Gloss •  talk  19:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries. - Katanin (talk) 23:21, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

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How do you know that it is a joke? 108.162.157.141 (talk) 22:58, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I know it's a joke because I'm a frequent reader of Dalton Ross' recaps and have gotten to understand his style and sense of humour. If you read the rest of the sentence, he says that the bag "was full of only farts and broken dreams." Does that sound real to you? - Katanin (talk) 00:33, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I read all of his recaps as well. What is inside his bag is definitely a joke but I think the part that he searched his bag was not a joke. 108.162.157.141 (talk) 01:28, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm positive that the whole line is a joke. Even if it isn't, it was omitted from the episode anyway and thus is unimportant to the events in the episode, so wouldn't warrant mention in the recap. - Katanin (talk) 18:47, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

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