User talk:Kate Carter-Rigg

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User talk:Kate Carter-Rigg heard you were interested in looking at Internet relationships in the psychology of internet behaviour. As am I. We should discuss this. Charlierose91 (talk) 11:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 Yes, we should discuss this as there are other in our class that wish to do this topic as well. So in essence we should discuss what elements we wish to cover Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 11:53, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Kate Carter-RiggThen we should contact those people... :) Charlierose91 (talk) 11:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 Will do now do you want to do it too so jack knows its both of us or shall i just speak for both Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 12:00, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Kate Carter-Rigg speak for us both, I've already sent a message to Luciana on our behalf. :) Charlierose91 (talk) 12:03, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 Ok Will do Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 12:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Can we agree exactly what we are going to look at in order to be sorted? Charlierose91 (talk) 09:30, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 Yes but we also need to discuss with Luciana and Tom to ensure that we are not crossing into the same topics 09:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Kate Carter-Rigg Okay, well I have contacted Luciana for a second time and I am waiting on a response. We should think about going ahead if we do not get a responseCharlierose91 (talk) 09:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 Yes since neither her nor Tom are in the lesson we should choose our topics then we can inform them later :) Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 09:55, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 Here are a few books and journal articles in reference to our topic so we can take a view into were we can head with this

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2248/is_138_35/ai_66171001/ http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1540-4560.00246/pdf http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1083-6101.2006.00038.x/pdf http://jcmc.indiana.edu/vol1/issue4/parks.html http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Agemw3yIfCIC&oi=fnd&pg=PR10&dq=internet+use+interpersonal+relations+and+sociability+a+time+diary+study&ots=IlWH4FSXtU&sig=td5OSPdwvfF7Zl_JVoJZPXgaADE#v=onepage&q=internet%20use%20interpersonal%20relations%20and%20sociability%20a%20time%20diary%20study&f=false

There You Go

Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 11:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Kate Carter-Rigg Okay, Thanks, I will have a look. :) Charlierose91 (talk) 11:20, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Kate Carter-Rigg With the list of topics we have, we should divide them up potentially to look at... but what do we do with Luciana and Tom? Charlierose91 (talk) 11:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 Ok So here is the list we worked on:-

Effects of Internet relationship on “real” life.

The Attraction of Internet Relations

Positives

Dangers

Success

Growth/History

In Relation to friendship

In relation to Dating

Cybersex

Who is participating?

I personally would like to cover the Effects of Internet relationships on "real" life and dnt mind bout anything else i have to cover. Do you have any perferences from the list? Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 11:32, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Kate Carter-Rigg Alright, I am leaning heavily towards... cybersex and in particular the dangers that come with it if I am honest. I think It could be an interesting topic for me to look and, and one I find intriguing. Granted I am also open to other topics also. I am still waiting on a response from the others to see if they want to work with us or by themselves. :) Do you wish to begin to look at the topic we have highlighted each in order to make a start? Charlierose91 (talk) 11:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Kate Carter-Rigg If that is not possible, I would like to look at the attraction, I forgot to add that in Charlierose91 (talk) 11:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 Yeah that was what i was thinking so if we choose one topic and then start on that topic and if they are still yet to reply by the time we have finished our topic then i think we should start another and so on until they reply because I think that is fair since they have lost their chance to choose their preferred topic due to absence Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 11:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Kate Carter-Rigg Alright then. So, should we say by... Tuesday we have some head way on a topic? Charlierose91 (talk) 11:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 Ok, First part done for tuesday then we can read through each others. Any troubles just message me on here Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 17:32, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey Sorry, there must of been some confusion about getting in touch. I did respond on the 6th March, just i wrote it on my talk page, so you mustn't have seen it. I have also just posted again on my talk page, about when we have written our work up in Word do we then copy and paste it into our own 'My Sandbox'? Areas each of us are covering which we decided upon on Friday: Luciana: Technologies behing internet relationships and the impact these have upon relationships online. Tom: Internet Personas and the psychology behind it Charlotte: Attraction of people dating / friendships online - anonymity Kate: The affects of relationships on a persons life

To avoid missing peoples messages, can we make sure we are checking everyone's talk pages please :) LucianaFash (talk) 00:36, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 User talk: Tlarco29 User talk: LucianaFash Hey In reponse to your message luciana, I mentioned on friday if we write anything we need to place a talk back on everyones page to notify us if u had and to answer your question yes just copy and paste it into ur sandbox then we can view it Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 15:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I had responded before our meeting had taken place though, so I didn't know that we were going to be doing that. But okay I shall 'tag' us all in what I am writing from now, from that I'm guessing that's what you have done just above. Okay, well I shall paste into my sandbox tomorrow the work that I have :) Hope everyone got there Game Art in and are happy with it. LucianaFash (talk) 19:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC) --User: Kate Carter-Rigg --User: Tlarco29 --User: Charlierose91

User talk: Charlierose91 User talk: Tlarco29 User talk: LucianaFash No the tags just let us know who were talking to. The talk backs let us know if we have a message and ok are we still meeting at 1pm tomorrow. Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 20:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to do the talk back thing then :/ I'll need showing cause i can't figure it out. Oh gosh. I can't make it tomorrow, I've just remembered I have a hospital appointment, sorry. LucianaFash (talk) 01:25, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 User talk: Tlarco29 User talk: LucianaFash If you go to edit in your talk page it should show you how iv done it or it shows u how to do it on toni's page. Also thats ok. Well let you know what happens.

Tom will you be joining us or not? Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 11:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Guys, I would've been able to meet you but nobody has told me of/or arranged a place to meet? (Only that the meeting will take place at 1pm). Can we re-schedule so we can all meet to further discuss our work? I will upload my research on "Internet Persona's" into my sandbox tonight. Charlotte, we need to discuss exactly what we'll be covering within our topic areas because anonymity and internet persona's are SO closely related, so I think it would be productive in order to stop our work from covering the same things (Mainly because an 'internet persona' is a term which has been coined to describe some-ones online identity, and obviously their online identity can be determined by the level of anonymity they have on particular websites). So If you're uploading your research into your sandbox tonight as well, we could read over each other's and then further discuss in our meeting how we'll go about structuring our content. I hope everything goes well at the doctors Luciana. xx Tlarco29 (talk) 16:07, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Charlierose91 User talk: Tlarco29 User talk: LucianaFash Hey Tom The meeting was arranged at last weeks meetign we said same time same place on tuesday then but no worries we dint discuss much but agreed you and charlotte should really post up your current status n review to see if it is too closely related because if so it may not be so wise as to carry on. As to another meeting other than what we have as in time in lessons I think it would be best to just keep it to on here because if we meet in person we will just be showing what we have on here and talking about improving which we can do all that on here Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh right, I must've missed that when we were leaving Mcdonalds. I completely agree though, we should discuss these things on our talkpages. But yeah, in regards to the clash of research material I've further researched "internet personalities" and the psychology behind it and it has been covered in detail here: Online Identity so it's looking like I should re-write material for a different section within "internet relationships", from the list of sub-topics that have been devised, is there anything missing that is not being covered be any members of our group? User: LucianaFash User: Charlierose91 Tlarco29 (talk) 11:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Regarding your recent post at Teahouse
It looks like you may have asked the same question twice, but the first time you asked it while logged out, so people can see your IP address. I'm a Wikipedia administrator, and I have the ability to remove your IP address from public view, if you have privacy concerns. Would you like me to do that, or are you OK with how things are? -- Jayron  32  13:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

User talk: Jayron32 Hi Jayron, Yeah I've edited it now. I don't know what happened one minute I was logged in the next I wasn't. It's not the privacy that concerns me it is just that our tutor insisted that we add our signature everytime we do something. Thank your for your concern and your reply on the teahouse. Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 13:50, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. If you need any help, just drop me a note.  -- Jayron  32  14:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do Thank you Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 15:05, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

The article draft in your sandbox
Hello Kate, I see you have been told to create a new article on Wikipedia but that it must be written according to Wikipedia style. I am assuming that what you have in your sandbox is a draft of your article? If so, then I have a few comments to make. First off, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. What you have in your sandbox now reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia entry. To see what you might need to do, go and take a look at a few Wikipedia articles that cover topics that are in some way related to the topic you are interested in.

Another point that you will understand if you carefully look at some of our better articles is that the article needs to have a separate introduction, and then a main section which may or may not be divided into separate headings.

Note that all the information you put in the article needs to be referenced from reliable sources, so your article also needs a References section, and the references need to be in the form of inline citations.

You can start thinking about how your topic can become an encyclopedia entry rather than an essay, and you can start putting a few of these headings and so on into your draft. If you don't know how to do some of these things, just go into the edit page of a good article and copy the bits of markup into your own article.

Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 18:50, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, Thank you for the feedback and I realise at the moment it needs more in the article than what is there at the moment unfortunately we have been put into groups and I've been given the last section and with being first person to complete their entire writing we wanted to test whether there was any deletionist watching our page that would just straight remove my entry rather than give me feedback for improvement. Due to this my work is still in progress. I am currently adding the references in now to improve the reliability of my article. I hope you will be able to review the article further this week when the rest of my group insert their pieces of the article and we can look more like a complete article. Thank you for your feedback I really appreciate this as I haven't so far been able to get much Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 09:05, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * OK Kate, no problem, and thanks for your prompt and polite reply. You might want to put a little note at the top of your sandbox explaining that this is a group project. I hope you don't mind, but seeing as you already had a bunch of citations in there, I went ahead and added the heading for "References" and the markup code "reflist" in double curly brackets, which is what causes the citations to appear properly at the bottom of the page. If you look on the edit page you will see how I did that. Thanks for your work in adding to the encyclopedia. Invertzoo (talk) 12:12, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you I'll put a note up now and thank you for arranging everything for me. Theres no problem with adding it I just saw no need as it was already on my page that i am altering and i was taking straight off my sandbox so i dint think i needed it in my sandbox or knowing me I would make two on my page. Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 14:43, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

A note about the "help me" code
Hello Kate, me again. I wanted to just let you know that when you are completely stuck and don't know what to do, you can put " " on this page, just like a regular message, and someone should show up fairly soon to try to answer a question. However it's a good idea to look here help pages first, to see if you can work it out by yourself. Invertzoo (talk) 12:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello again, Thank you I didn't know about the help me coding. I have mainly bin advised just to go to the teahouse to see if anyone could help me but I have tried using the help pages but in many cases get confused easily. Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 14:51, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, unfortunately the "help pages" here at Wikipedia are mostly pretty much more or less incomprehensible when you are new (!). Most of those pages need extensive re-writing to be user friendly! But please, when you have a question either go ahead and ask at the Teahouse, or ask me on my talk page, and I will either try to answer your question myself, or point you to someone else who can answer you. Invertzoo (talk) 15:10, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Your group article?
Is the preexisting article Internet relationship the one your group is currently working on? And so, if I want to help you, I should look at that article and not at your sandbox? Invertzoo (talk) 15:49, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes it is the pre-existing one and if you wish to yes because it may make a better understanding Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 21:43, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

A new note
Hey Kate, I'm hoping to have everything up by the end of GA. We should meet on tuesday to discuss thursday Charlierose91 (talk) 21:24, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm not too sure bout meeting cs my time is seriously limited right now but i already said everyone just send me their presentation and then just review their pieces wen they get added. Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 21:51, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

The Internet relationship article
The article looks good, but is written a bit too much like an essay, rather than an encyclopedia article, I'll make a few copy edits to show how it should be changed and hopefully you can do the rest. SmartSE(talk) 12:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * This morning I put in some subheadings to give you some idea for how the info could be broken up into sections, and I also reworked some of the prose to make it clearer and a little more concise.


 * I do agree with Smartse that the article still reads far too much like an essay, and not nearly enough like an encyclopedia entry, which is what it is supposed to be. An encyclopedia entry consists of setting out useful, well-organized information for the reader to easily access, in a clear and usable form, based on reliable sources. An essay on the other hand is a flowing and sometimes elegant discussion on the theme of the topic. They are not the same thing at all. If you need me to explain this a bit more, let me know.Invertzoo (talk) 13:28, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah sorry I have a really hard time with understanding and I'm lost. Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 15:08, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

To try and explain the difference: in an essay you are trying to make an argument e.g. that internet relationships are important/significant/whatever and you can include your own personal opinions or interpretations of the sources. Writing here, you should try to be as impersonal as possible and simply summarise what others have already written about the subject. Because of WP:NOR you can't interpret sources, so you probably need to get rid of the paragraph starting "These findings do show that Internet use assist reclusive people in creating relationships online that may not occur face-to-face". Similarly "Though these findings may have been sound," etc. should go. Does that make some sense? You can look at Good_articles/Social_sciences_and_society for some articles that have been reviewed and viewed as being of a good quality. SmartSE (talk) 16:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi again Kate, yes, you may find it hard to understand what we are asking for, because as a student you have just spent the last few years working on learning how to write a beautiful essay, and now we are asking you not to do that (!)
 * We call them "articles", but actually what Wikipedia needs is just the facts, no more and no less that that. People come to an encyclopedia to get simple, straightforward, information. You need to simply stick to the facts, sort of like: this person said this in this publication; then this other person said that in this other publication. You must be careful to avoid interpreting on, or commenting on, other people's opinions or their research results. That is not your job here. You must not weave all of the available information into a "story" of some sort. You need to find out what simple information is available that you can use, and then just set that information out as clearly as possible.
 * To tell the truth, it's actually easier to set out plain old information than it is to write a beautiful essay. It only seems difficult because you are unfamiliar with this type of thing.
 * I hope this note helps you understand a bit better what we are saying? Invertzoo (talk) 21:56, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I also just wanted to say that I can see right away that you are very bright. Believe me, you can do this, it's not as hard as it may sound, so don't feel overwhelmed; have confidence in your own abilities. Wikipedia can seem weird at first, but really there are no peculiar mysteries in it. Invertzoo (talk) 22:01, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

A break

 * Hi, Thank you for your feedback. I've made quite a few edits to the writing today. Does this sound any better or am I just not grasping this at all. Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 17:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's getting a little bit better Kate, but you still have a pretty big problem with the whole thing sounding like an essay. You need to cut it down a lot, right down to the bare bones. Each statement that you make, each fact, needs to be backed up with a reference, an inline citation. The article really should consist of a succession of facts. The prose is there simply to link the facts together. If you can't come up with a reference for some of the things you want to say, then you must leave them out altogether.


 * There is nothing wrong with cutting it down, even if that means that the article ends up quite short. If it ends up rather short but is very factual and well referenced with a lot of inline citations, then that will be great! If it is long and rambling with a lot of your own point of view in it, then that is not good.


 * I have been helping you a fair bit with headings, with links, and also I've been cleaning up your prose to some extent, but I don't want to completely make over the article, because if I did that you would not end up learning what you need to learn about what Wikipedia really is, and how to write in this very factual way using other people's knowledge, not your own.


 * Invertzoo (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Invertzoo has already said most of what I would say, but it is certainly moving in the right direction. Stick with it. Regarding cutting it down - look at each sentence and think "is there anyway I could say the same thing in fewer words?" if the answer is yes, then git rid of everything you can. Try to completely forget about having to write thousands of words on a topic like in an essay. SmartSE (talk) 20:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That was my reasoning for removing it. I was going to replace it was something else because I cant. It's driving me insane and I have only a day left. Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 20:38, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

How to write an article
Perhaps the best way to explain this is to say that before you decided what to work on, on Wikipedia, it would have been a really good idea to see just how many pieces of useful information on the topic you could find in sources that you could use as references. If you couldn't find very much at all on the topic you wanted to write on, then you just can't write a long article at all. If you jotted down all the facts you could find that were backed up with refs and put them in a logical order, like maybe in chronological order (of when exactly the comments or research were made by those experts), then you could just put that all into a very concise article and you would be more or less done except for smoothing it out. I know it's too late for you to hear this, but perhaps it explains what the piece needs to be. Take a look at our articles on Google or Twitter and you will see that those articles are just strings of facts, each fact with its own reference. Invertzoo (talk) 20:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Message to my group
Hey, so since tomorrow is our presentation can everyone send me the presentation slides so i can put them together like agreed in class. Please can you send them to my uni email K.A.Carter-Rigg@2009.hull.ac.uk. Thanks and lets hope tomorrow goes well :) Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 09:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Kate. I thought we had said to get to Uni early tomorrow morning and compile it all together then. But okay, i'll try and get it to you tonight. Should hopefully get it to you about 9ish. When I send it or if something comes up, I shall let you know. LucianaFash (talk) 15:35, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Well you can do that if you want but I cant get up to uni any earlier than i already do so i'd have to send it to one of you guys but if you guys wanna do that then I don't mind sending mine to you guys cs mines complete already Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 15:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah okay. Mine isn't ready just yet. Would you like to send yours on to me? Just so that incase I can't get mine to you tonight, then I could put them together, and either get the other two's either tonight or early in the morning? And if I do get mine done tonight I'll send it to you. I'm easy either way :)
 * my uni address is: L.F.Fash@2009.hull.ac.uk


 * Charlotte and Tom what about you two?


 * LucianaFash (talk) 16:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm just about to do mine now, I can't see it taking long unless I get distracted... (which, is likely :P) I should be able to send it to you or Kate this evening at some point, either way, if not it will be in your inbox by the morning :) Charlierose91 (talk) 17:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah I'll have mine done by tonight. So will forward it on to you both. My only worry is that I'm using the mac-version of PowerPoint called 'KeyNote' but I can export as a pp file (I'm pretty sure) so hopefully it will be compatible with yours. 90.204.63.226 (talk) 18:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Just realised I wasn't signed in. Yeah that was me btw ^ Tlarco29 (talk) 18:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay Charlotte that's cool :) (same situation with me :P) It should be fine Tom if it gets saved as a pp file otherwise, it's going to have to get sorted at uni early in the morning.
 * LucianaFash (talk) 18:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations
I hope your assessment went well, and that you got a good grade. From our perspective I think you guys did very well, and the article looks pretty good now. Kate, you really helped pull everything together, especially towards the end there. I hope at some point we will see you again. Invertzoo (talk) 12:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Internet Relationship article
Eewalsh (talk) 20:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Eewalsh

Hi! I am currently working on a class project to write a wikipedia article on a communications topic. I chose to write on the ways the internet is used for different types of communication. I am new to wikipedia too but I saw your article and don't want to go in and completely edit or delete you work. I was wondering if it would be okay if I add sections like personal relationships such as online dating and one on how the internet is used in the business world? If I have my own article, there would be too many similarities to yours and since they are both regarding the same topic, I figured we could merge! Hope to hear back soon. Thank you!

Sorry for the late reply this was also a class project for us I hope you took my silence as acceptance because by all means edit away I think my group is down with this. Kate Carter-Rigg (talk) 19:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I figured after reading more on the talkpage. Thank you! Eewalsh (talk) 04:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)Eewalsh

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