User talk:Kate ook

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Massively multiplayer online game
I wanted to let you know that I reverted your edit at Massively multiplayer online game. You used a primary source, which we should never use to make self-serving claims. We should use reliable, third-party published sources for all but the most basic, non-controversial statements. I hope this helps! If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 02:09, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Linking to the Virtonomics website or article in every edit you make
Hello, Kate ook. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you have an external relationship with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Simulation, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not intended to be a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. Woodroar (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Responding to your email
Hi, Kate ook, I received your email. I am replying on your User Talk page for transparency and so that other editors can reply if they wish.

You are correct that I removed a great deal of content from Virtonomics, but as of right now the article is a STUB and has not been deleted. (However, I would not be surprised if it does get deleted, for reasons that I will get into shortly.) I removed the content for several reasons: because virtually of it was unsourced, and the remainder was based on unreliable sources such as press releases. There were several academic sources, but they did not support the cited material in any way. On Wikipedia, all claims should be based on "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". We can use self-published and primary sources for some basic and non-controversial claims, but never self-serving claims. Furthermore, all article subjects should have "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" in order for an article to have been created.

You mentioned our article on World of Warcraft, which is an excellent article to use as a comparison. That article currently has 160 sources, from places as varied as IGN, Guinness World Records, The Boston Globe, and Business Insider. And these are significant articles, often running many pages or chapters each. They have allowed us to write an in-depth article about WoW, including sections on gameplay and plot, but also about its development and critical reception. As for Virtonomics, I'm not seeing any sources like that. Even the academic sources that I removed devote a paragraph to the game, and only describe it in its most general terms. (In other words, they do not constitute "significant coverage".) We're not here to write our own experiences or opinions about the subject, but to summarize what reliable sources say, and if reliable sources don't say anything then we shouldn't, either.

You wrote in your email that you aren't being paid to write about Virtonomics. I certainly will not reveal any of your personal information, but your email address seems to indicate that you hold (or have held) some sort of marketing position at Virtonomics. I'm trying to assume good faith, but all of your edits have been about Virtonomics and many–perhaps most–have indeed been promotional. If you have a conflict of interest, whether or not you are being paid, you should declare that COI and also refrain from editing any associated articles.

I hope this helps. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Woodroar (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response here.I hope you don't mind to answer some additional questions I have since I don't see a thing called "Wikipedia support" (let me know if it exists, so I won't be bothering you in future). I assume that the problem of legit sources are frequent here in Wikipedia. I am seeing Wikipedia articles where the blog posts or other type websites with the reviews of product are used as the references, is that a possibility to do? And how Wikipedia moderators are looking to edits supported the social media or forums references? As well, I have noticed an English article with the reference to French article and Spanish external source.  I couldn't find this information on the your recommended link which you have provided before. I know that these could be wrong, because anybody could edit the articles, so I would like to double check this before going any further.

I understand that my edits might be debated on, so can I do my edits or proposals firstly in sandbox? Could that be an option? I assume that there are also volunteers who are reviewing these sandboxes and providing the feedback for that. I see this as a the different way out for the changes and to know if its against Wikipedia rules or a good direction to go. Correct me please, if I am wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kate ook (talk • contribs) 11:14, 22 September 2015
 * Hey, no problem. To answer your questions:
 * As far as support goes, nearly all of us are just volunteers. But most questions can be answered by reading the links in your "Welcome!" message at the top of this page. There's also a FAQ and HELPDESK if those links don't help.
 * You'll find information about what we consider reliable (and unreliable) sources at WP:Verifiability and WP:Identifying reliable sources.
 * Social media and forums are rarely considered reliable sources. We do allow non-English sources, but we prefer English sources when possible.
 * If you have a conflict of interest, it's best if you suggest changes on an article's Talk page. Sandboxes are used mostly for testing wiki tags (which you are welcome to do) and writing drafts of articles (which you shouldn't do if you have a conflict of interest). Your sandbox is still subject to our policies regarding copyrights and advertising, so anything you write could be deleted. Even worse, you could be blocked or banned for writing spam in your sandbox. So it's really best if you used Talk pages instead.
 * I hope this helps! If you have any questions, feel free to ask. And remember to sign your comments on Talk pages with 4 tildes ( ~ ). Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 22:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)