User talk:Kateshortforbob/Archives2007/December

The Becket School
I'll keep it watchlisted too. No vandalism today, so no point protecting it, but if it flares up again it may have to happen. No doubt kids at that school doing it, so probably won't happen again until their next IT lesson...! Pedro : Chat  11:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * IT lessons have started :) Pedro : Chat  11:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Pedro. Kids today... I don't know, shouldn't they be smoking behind the bike shed or painting the school cat or something? ;) -- Kateshort  forbob  12:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Please stop talking about the Becket School in that way. The school has had various measures of great length to combat smoking in and out of the school. Commenting about smoking behind the bike sheds only offends those who have put great amounts of time and money into working to eradicate what is seen as a terrible thing. I do hope that you will learn some common courtesy and respect for those who try to make a difference. Spaghetti3 12:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That was humour. An anti-smoking policy is admirable; however, your previous edits do not give me great faith in your sincerity about "making a difference", in Wikipedia, at least. There are some useful links on your talk page which may help you learn more about the WP. Thanks! -- Kateshort forbob  15:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

G. Harold Carswell
Hello Kate,

Thank you for your message regards our"edits". Pls note that the information provided was confirmed by the official trial transcript, actual letters, sworn documents, official reports. In fact, the "edit" above the one we posted contains little if any way to confirm itself, i.e., the notion that some believe Carswell was the "first homosexual or bisexual"...we have been wondering how that could ever be verified satisfactorily? It cannot be. The man was simply a homosexual, trial records established same and years later his arrest in a public men's room tended to corroborate what everyone knew BUT have you been fortunate enough to see a picture of him with one in his mouth? No. Neither have we. But it does seem plausible that OFFICIAL trial transcripts, sworn documents, etc cannot be wrong and the general public, which subscribes to Wikipedia is entitled to those facts now just as they were nearly 40 years ago. Carswell was not a "glamorous" or popular homosexual within the local gay community; he was seen as ruthless and powerful "queer" (their terminology) who got away with much too much. Our staff has posted many hours researching Carswell and have strived hard to ensure all information is based upon actual records and statements of the persons involved. We knew you worked for Wikipedia because you said so, you left an address to contact you at, etc., therefore, it is a safe bet you are what you say you are. However, we have not seen any sworn statements, court transcripts and so forth verifying same. Additionally, we have not seen any sworn statements or official court records verifying same. Can you see our point ? There is more corroboration for our information than there is for thousands of pages of other information or for who you are and who you work for.

Your job must be very in depth and time consuming. There must be hundreds or even thousands of "edits" posted everyday. It is amazing ours was chosen so fast for a revert.

We must, of course, ask whether or not you have any connection to the subject or to those who do?

Thank you,

Michael Hazanian —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazanian (talk • contribs) 00:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

G. Harold Carswell
Hello Kate,

Thank you for your message regards our message. Your message is rather perplexing. (1) Of all the edits that occur within Wikipedia on a daily basis ours was flagged; (2)  The information contained within the edit is based upon actual Court records of the matter. Those records were SEALED in 1970 and have now been opened. We have the official trial records. Those represent the verification and that is much more verification than is usually called for on Wikipedia. In fact, it is more verification than that noted for the other information regards Carswell allegedly having been "the first" this or that. Therefore, our question to you is why are not the official records sufficient ? The records reflect Carswell was at that time a ruthless, powerful homosexual who was not popular within the local gay community most of whom felt he had murdered the man and gotten away with it. He had "turned-out" his own Son, Scott, as well as many other young impressionable boys. The official information on this sexual predator has been concealed for many years and making it available to the public could lend much to protecting other young men or others from such predators whereas the continued withholding of such facts from the public protects the sexual predator. The information was sufficient for law enforcement, television and other "watchdog" type entities.

To answer your remark about where you are located, it didn't occur to us to ask or to try to determine it. Your location is not our concern. However, since you informed us it is Ireland, we envy you. We have been there and have many friends there. It can be a wonderful place to reside.

Please post the information.

Michael Hazanian —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazanian (talk • contribs) 00:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Kate,

Again thank you for your reply. At first it did seem to us that perhaps someone connected to the sexual predator, Carswell, could be behind the move to prevent the public from learning about him. The transcripts of the trials for the 2 men originally charged for the murder of Carswell's lover were sealed years ago. We have managed to get the records and many other documents. Their content was what we have relied upon in our investigation. To directly answer your remarks, no these records do not state he killed his lover, however, the entire case against the other 2 men hinged upon the sheriff forcing the first man to accuse the second man. No other evidence was vital. Without that forced accusation all the remaining facts and evidence pointed directly at Carswell and that was who the gay community felt was the murderer. As for the accusation by the one man against the other, the records are clear he refused to corroborate his forced allegations and would not accuse the man of anything when asked to testify. His conduct then confirmed his letters and other information sent to attorneys whereby he flat said he had lied and would not testify. The 2 men originally charged are deceased. Carswell is deceased. The trial judge is deceased. The prosecutor is deceased. Insofar as we have been able to ascertain the old sheriff may be alive but won't talk. The gay community disclosed to our people the sheriff was sharing young boys with Carswell in those days. Now, we doubt the sheriff would admit to that anymore than Carswell's son, Scott, will admit his own Father turned him out. On the other hand, a dose of common sense says it is accurate otherwise why would any father allow his young pretty-boy son to regularly visit his gay lover late at nite and overnite on a regular basis. Additionally, it is well established in Tallahassee that Scott is gay and has been nearly all his adult life if not longer. But he, like his Father, has not the courage to come out of the closet. Carswell was a well connected sexual predator who even now seems to have initially once again blocked the public from having information about him. That is as sad as it is alarming. A known sexual predator being clearly protected is frightening. The alarming thing is that anyone would see our edit was based upon actual court records - no, we aren't aware of a way we can post them on the Internet for you or others to read - laced with summations which are supported by the court facts as much by what they say as by what they do not.

We noted your comment that you had researched Carswell, etc. We have also. However, we never found a single word anywhere saying he was thought by many to have been the first homosexual on the federal bench. You know why? Because nowhere in any document does anyone say he was a homosexual and neither has a single person, reputable or not, ever made such a statement. It stands as an unconfirmed remark having far less substance than our edits. Such a statement lends itself to interpretation as some sort of kind statement about the sexual predator as if he was someone popular but gay, nice who agreed to be the first gay man in line for the post. The reality of it is, Carswell was a dispicable person who for years was able to get away with his sexual exploits because of his position in an area of Florida where such is covered up regularly. After Carswell, there was yet another U.S. Attorney fired for failing to disclose the fact of his homosexuality and later on another one was recently captured headed to a town to have sex with a 5 year old girl. The charges where Carswell was nabbed inside the public restroom trying to perform fellatio on the cop does not say he was homosexual. The fact he was gay has been surmised from his own conduct. "Surmised" but not verified.(YOU have never seen Carswell with anything in his mouth anymore than we have SO how then do you know he was gay or the so called first gay, etc?) We offered the same information and it was backed by far more impressive "surmisations".

This will likely end our association with Wikipedia. We, like many people, tend to cease contact with anyone or anything displaying an excessive amount of concern for any sexual predator. Within this arena, the Wikipedia arena, you have the advantage and have displayed far more concern than a person with a neutral interest would for a sexual predator. Perhaps you feel you have done a service here but it has not been one for the good. The gay community detested Carswell, they dismiss his son as a whining predator lacking the courage to come forward and are determined to share these facts with the public. We felt Wikipedia could help accomplish that. Now we see otherwise.

Best Regards - Michael —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hazanian (talk • contribs) 08:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Kateshortforbob
I'm the main editor of Riverside public school-Wiki, and I would like to thank you for all your help" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mofeed.sawan (talk • contribs) 00:54, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

League of Copyeditors roll call
Melon ‑ Bot  ( STOP! )  18:14, 28 December 2007 (UTC)