User talk:Katie alsop

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AfD nomination of Themis Band
I have nominated Themis Band, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Themis Band. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there any point to "you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns." or will it just be deleted anyway? Katie alsop (talk) 05:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletion page for Themis
Hello. Your comments on this page are appreciated, but I was hoping you could do me a favor and not use a title (the thing between two pairs of equal signs) for your comments on this page, as it's causing a technical problem with the page. If you could start your comments with an asterisk instead, that would be great. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. Rnb (talk) 20:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * yikes - sri Katie alsop (talk) 20:07, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Help Me With Something on Your Wicca Rock Edits
Sorry. Once again I got caught up in this debate about Themis/Wicca relevancy. As soon as you login would you mind going to my talk page and writing half a sentence and then log off, go back and write the rest of the sentence. If you read my Talk Page you will get it. Thanks, Katie Nymphetamine labyrinth (talk) 22:07, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Contents of Themis Music Talk Page
Thanks for putting that on my talk page. That seems fairer! Hell. I don't want to do this wrongly. I think I have a valid article. :o) I may well be approaching it in the wrong category. The notability of this article has to do with the rapidly growing Wicca religion having a public entity advancing its beliefs. This is new for Wicca. Maybe I have titled the article wrongly. People keep bashing this issue around but the debate has centred on a musical band and not the fact that there is a music project done by some Wicca priests which significantly advances the concept of Wicca and gives Wicca greater notability and acceptance. We are talking about a religion wherein women who practiced homeopathy and herbal remedies were burned at the stake. Today a musical ensemble promotes Wicca openly for what it is: a nature based pagan religion. That's notable. There are no Wiccan Churches, Popes, Annual General Meetings; Ecclesiastical Conferences but there is a Music Band that promotes Wicca openly, widely, and in many different ways. Thanks again. Katie alsop (talk) 17:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you ever tried the other way round, e.g. writing an article about Wicca music, and then mentioning that there are a few bands that spread the "message"; I konw a few bands from germany who claim to be pagan. You should probably also extend our Wicca article; what might be wrong as an article of its own might be perfectly fine in a section on Wiccan music (in Wicca). We are not against paganism/wicca, we are against content that is on the brink of notability. --Eptalon (talk) 17:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, just as a side note, I contributed a lot to witch and witchcraft articles, I know what you are talking about. --Eptalon (talk) 17:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The Wicca Music article is already written. The Themis Band article should be notable by the standards because it is a band that plays at major national concerts (in Canada) and it is on the playlist of notable radio stations. I see that the Category really is the issue. Using the "music template" for example creates tensions and jealousies among other musicians and I guess might open a pandora's box. For example, MySpace was once a social networking forum and has now become a "pimp-my-band" whore house. Nobody wants that for Wikipedia. Katie alsop (talk) 03:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * a few bands from germany who claim to be pagan is about the sum of it all. Thanks for that thought. I have seen as much. There aren't many purely "Wicca" bands. There is only one actually. Chalice and Blade comes close by their own admission but has mostly a broad pagan focus. Another thought about the modern movement's intellectuals is that they exist in a time post stem cell discovery whereas most people talking about Wicca on Wikipedia are speaking of it as if it is still in the era shortly after discovery of the wheel, and fire. If you are looking for an end to a patriarchal society (include Wikipedia) and saving the rain forest, join the modern (Themis-brand) Wicca movement. Remember that 'Themis' (the Goddess) was about balance and justice, putting the mother at the head of the famly and seeking a gender equality in life with justice, nurturing and mourishing for the "onesness" of all sentient beings. Clearly people working on these articles are on a different wavelength from the people who shred it who still think its about ego and a musical band, witches and witchcraft. To do otherwise is to admit a competitor for Christianity. I have seen a certain component of that. Be that as it may be I need help. I am sure I have approached it all wrong. I just need to keep trying. :o) Katie alsop (talk) 15:49, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What people call religion is to some extent about belief - No matter what religion you take, at some point the scientifically provable part will end, and you will be asked to subscribe to some form of believing something that cannot be proved by science. Wicca probably is a movement rooted in neo-paganism - it wants to go back to have stronger ties with nature. It probably bears little resemblance to what the witches did, and what they were burnt at the stake for. Personally, I am not looking at the end of a patriarchal society. There are times where decisions need to be taken, and the person taking the decision needs to have an authority to impose certain rules to be followed, without question. Whether the decision-taker is male or female is irrelevant. Men are physically stronger, so they often have had an easier time "convincing" others. What we were talking about here was a "music band" who through their music spread a certain message. The message may be more important than its carrier. Something else that may be important is the sex-appeal. If some rituals involve nude intoxicated young people dancing around a fire this may be an enticing thought. I guess this all boils down how you sell your idea to those people, who are used to (more-or-less) large crowds of more-or-less elderly people you find in the classical Christian Churches (which are probably the norm in most of the US and Europe). --Eptalon (talk) 16:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Themis Music

 * Hey Katie. I see you have asked for a deletion review about Themis. I saw Themis with Shibaten Spirits at both the PaganFest August 1 in Barrie Canada and the Firedance Festival on August 15. I will be in Toronto again for the Greater Sabbats Paganfest-SAMHAIN on October 31. It's the 2nd Annual Wiccan Witches Ball and Concert headlining Themis.


 * My question is this: Is not notability answered by participation in major Wiccan / Pagan concerts. There were literally thousands of people at the Firedance Festival in Ontario last August 15. Themis was amazing.
 * Good luck, Katie. Stay away from the Christian Lions and their gloomy dens.

DRV's
I have closed the DRV's for Themis music and Wicca music as deletion endorsed. However, if you would like copied of the aritlces to work on, please let me know and I will userfy them to you at User:Katie alsop/Themis music and User:Katie alsop/Wicca music so that you can work on them. People felt that the deletion discussions for the articles were correctly closed as delete and they want to see a rewritten version before moving them back to the encyclopedia. Eluchil404 (talk) 02:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Katie alsop (talk) 02:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate your transferring the articles as suggested.

Speedy deletion nomination of Rinj


A tag has been placed on Rinj requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Ridernyc (talk) 01:41, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Nymphetamine labyrinth (talk) 18:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ERROR You inadvertently posted this while the article was being written Ridernyc -- take another look. This is obviously very notable. Looks like another editor removed the tag. I second that. Sincerely, this article is more than notable. Google it. Moreover condemning articles in the initial 20 minutes of creation hasn't proven in the past to be fruitful. Best to wait and read the entire article.

Need Some Help?
I see you are getting attacked by editors and vandals on your RINJ article. Good article. I will try and help find some third party citations. Do you really want to accept this 'controverted' section? It appears to be nothing more than Vandalism although Bean Mouse has accepted it and cleaned it up from what I can see. Let me know your thoughts, Katie.

Nymphetamine labyrinth (talk) 18:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

<3 Thank you. I will use email. Katie alsop (talk) 01:53, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of RINJ for deletion
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