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Katsheron, good luck, and have fun. – Robert McClenon (talk) 18:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello
Katsheron, you have received several good replies to your two messages. After you read them, feel free to ask more. Thanks. Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:34, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Question: I have created a new article called "Gary Denniss of Bracebridge". Why is this not searchable on the internet? Even if I type "Gary Dennis Wikipedia" it doesn't come up. Katsheron (talk) 21:35, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dr. Wilson A. Head (June 25)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sulfurboy was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Dr. Wilson A. Head and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Sulfurboy (talk) 19:18, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

HI: I think what is being asked for is Inline citation then resubmit. See, Help:Footnotes -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:56, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dr. Wilson A. Head (July 8)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sulfurboy was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Dr. Wilson A. Head and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
 * If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Dr._Wilson_A._Head Articles for creation help desk] or on the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sulfurboy&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:Afc_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Dr._Wilson_A._Head reviewer's talk page].
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Sulfurboy (talk) 15:31, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question
Hello, Katsheron! I'm Timtrent. I have replied to your question about a submission at the WikiProject Articles for Creation Help Desk. Fiddle  Faddle  06:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
Fiddle  Faddle  11:27, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dr. Wilson A. Head (September 5)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Kikichugirl was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Dr. Wilson A. Head and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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&mdash; kikichugirl  oh hello! 22:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

If you want some help
I'm making an effort to build up the Civil Rights Movement articles on Wikipedia. If you would like some help with the Draft:Dr. Wilson A. Head, then let me know. Getting an article on wikipedia is alot easier than using the draft approach you are using. Mitchumch (talk) 03:53, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

YES! Please help! I have been redrafting this article for months now. It is very important to me that Dr. Head gets a Wiki page, which he so strongly deserves. My original document was much longer and more informative, but they keep telling me my comments are not properly referenced, so now the story is down to the bare facts alone. - katsheron —Preceding undated comment added 10:34, 6 September 2015‎


 * Observations: The main reason reviewers have rejected your draft stems from "not adequately supported by reliable sources". After reviewing your sources I regrettably agree with the reviewers.  Out of the 12/13 references that you have listed only three references satisfy two things I was looking for as mentioned below - ref. 7, ref. 10B, ref. 12.


 * Analyses: The first thing I looked at were the 12/13 references listed. Specifically, I wanted to know two things.  First, what each reference explicitly stated about Dr. Wilson A. Head.  Second, how reliable each reference is.  Here's what I found for each reference.


 * ref 1: *Life on the Edge: Experiences in "Black and White" in North America, published 1995, University of Toronto Press.
 * Has numerous mentions of Dr. Wilson A. Head. Published works authored/co-authored by Dr. Head do not qualify as a reliable secondary source.  See Identifying reliable sources for a lengthier explanation for this rationale.


 * ref 2: *Who's Who in Black Canada 2:  Black success and Black excellence in Canada: a contemporary directory.  Main Author:  Dawn P. Williams.
 * No mention of Dr. Wilson A. Head. Please let me know if this is incorrect.  Not recognizable as a reliable secondary source, because publisher is not regarded as a reputable press.  However, this last assessment would be debatable among editors on wikipedia.


 * ref 3: The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr., edited by C. Carson, Grand Central Publishing, New York, 2001.
 * No mention of Dr. Wilson A. Head. Please let me know if this is incorrect.  Is a reputable source, because the publisher Grand Central Publishing is a division of Hachette Book Group, a major publishing house.  Secondly, Clayborne Carson is a recognized scholar whose work is widely cited and peered-reviewed.


 * ref 4: Knox United Church, 2569 Midland Avenue at Sheppard Avenue East, Agincourt, Ontario.
 * Addresses are not a reliable secondary source on Dr. Wilson A. Head or any subject.


 * ref 5: The Perennial Philosophy, Aldous Huxley, Harper Collins Publishers Inc., New York, NY, 1945.
 * No mention of Dr. Wilson A. Head. Please let me know if this is incorrect.


 * ref 7: Http://archives.library.yorku.ca/exhibits/show/pushingbuttons/black--caribbean-community/national-black-coalition-of-ca)
 * Found two/three mentions about Dr. Wilson A. Head. Website appears to be part of York University Libraries | Clara Thomas Archives & Special Collections online exhibits.  Therefore, a reliable source.


 * ref 8: http://www.archivescanada.ca/english/search. Wilson Adonijah Head.
 * When I entered Wilson Adonijah Head as a search term the response was "The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error has occurred."


 * ref 9. The Black Presence in the Canadian Mosaic, Wilson A. Head & Jeri Lee, 1975.
 * Published works authored/co-authored by Dr. Head do not qualify as a reliable secondary source. See Identifying reliable sources for a lengthier explanation for this rationale.


 * ref 10A: Wilson Head and Jeri Lee - Toronto: Ontario Human Rights Commission, 1975), and "The Adaptation of Immigrants". (ref: Head, W.A., study, “Adaptation of Immigrants: Perceptions of Ethnic and Racial ..... Toronto Onyx Lions Club - “A Tribute to Dr. Wilson Head”. 1989. 15. 1.)
 * Published works authored/co-authored by Dr. Head do not qualify as a reliable secondary source. See Identifying reliable sources for a lengthier explanation for this rationale.  Specifically, subsections Self-published sources (online and paper) and Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves


 * ref 10B: http://bbpa.org/harryjeromeawards/the-alumni/1988-alumni/
 * Mentions Dr. Wilson A. Head. A reputable source for proof that he received the award, but I found nothing written as to why he received the award.


 * ref 11: http://urbanalliance.ca/about-us-2/about-us/
 * No mention of Dr. Wilson A. Head. Please let me know if this is incorrect.  Appears to be a reliable source for basic facts.


 * ref 12: http://www.yorku.ca/laps/sowk/
 * No mention of Dr. Wilson A. Head. Please let me know if this is incorrect.  However, I found 50 potential hits from this comparable link http://search2.info.yorku.ca/?q=%22wilson+head%22&client=External&proxystylesheet=External&site=default_collection&output=xml_no_dtd


 * Recommendations: The best, but not the only, secondary sources are books published by university presses (example Ohio University Press) or are peered reviewed or widely cited by members of the academic community, journal articles that have appeared in reputable and widely used journals (example Nature), or newspaper articles that have appeared in reputable news outlets (example The New York Times). Given the amount that you have written, the two usable references aren't enough to support what you have written.


 * Instead of deleting more content from your draft, I would focus on locating a lot more reliable sources that explicitly state Wilson Head's name that are from scholarly books, newspaper articles, journal articles, or government reports.


 * Review some of these links for material. I've linked to search terms for "Wilson A. Head" or "Wilson Head" AND Canada
 * Scholarly books - WorldCat and Google books
 * Newspaper articles - Google news and Google news archives
 * Journal articles - Google scholar


 * Lastly, if you know localities that Dr. Head worked from, then I would find local newspaper articles from that library. Even if that means using some form of interlibrary loan or having a local librarian email articles to you.


 * Sorry for the length of my response. If you have questions or want more advice, then please ask me.  I'll watch out for your responses. Mitchumch (talk) 05:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Mitchumch. This is very discouraging, as I don't see myself writing all over to newspapers to find ones that have mentioned Dr. Head's name. I am at a loss to understand why an autobiography written by Dr. Head himself, with a forward by the Honorable Lincoln Alexander and an epilogue by Supreme Court Judge Mme Rosalie Silberman Abella would not be considered a reliable source. This is a person who certainly should have a Wikipedia page, however. I can make the following comments for what they are worth:

1. Ref 2 - since Dr. Head is listed in Who's Who in Black Canada, Who's Who in Black Canada certainly should be a reliable source. 2. Ref 3 - I just included this as confirmation of the date of the start of the Civil Rights Movement; not trying to mention Dr. Head - just backing up a statement. 3. Ref 4 - This location can be contacted to confirm that this is where Dr. Head's aches are interned - therefore backing up my statement. 4. Ref 5 - just a source to verify the philosophy of the Quakers. 5. Ref 8 - I had no problem finding mentions of Dr. Head in Archives Canada. Archives Canada contains tapes of speeches, photographs, etc. of Dr. Head - will look for a better link. 6. Ref 10B - the page says Dr. Head was given the award for "community service". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katsheron (talk • contribs) 08:35, 8 September 2015‎

New Comment: Okay, I am over my initial discouragement. I have decided to follow your advice. This project, I now see, is going to take years, but I will do it. I have some names I can write to of people who knew and worked with him as well. Question: Is there a time limit or a limit on number of drafts? - katsheron —Preceding undated comment added 11:24, 8 September 2015‎‎


 * If you are willing to take baby steps to learn the basics, then I think you will see this will be much easier than you think.


 * The first baby steps on wikipedia is understanding what wikipedia is and is not. Articles on wikipedia are supposed to be based upon secondary sources written by reputable people.  Not by people that are writing a book or article about themselves.  This is why the autobiography written by Dr. Head himself is not permissible as a reference.  However, works by scholars, academics, and journalist are used as references.


 * Wikipedia will not allow primary research or original research to be used as reference in an article. Ref. 4 and "people who knew and worked with him as well" are not permissible as references on wikipedia.


 * The second baby step is writing one sentence that you can support with a secondary source written by reputable person(s). This may sound like a joke, but it isn't.  If you can do this once, then you can do it again and again.  Eventually, you will have an article.


 * Finally, there are some rules on wikipedia that you will need to learn that all editors on wikipedia follow. The first rule is whenever you write on a talk page you need to sign and time stamp your posts.  After your posts place   at the end.  Click the "Show preview" button to see the outcome.


 * Hang in there. You can do this.  Mitchumch (talk) 14:08, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Mitchumch. Thank you for your patience! I am amassing tons of references at this point. Going to Archives Canada this week, contacted the family of Dr. Head, etc. It will be awhile now, because I will have to read all of that material first. Question: If I hyperlink photographs such as of his awards to my Word document, would this show up on the Wikipedia final article? What I mean is, when a photo is hyperlinked, hovering over a word with the mouse causes the picture to come up. ```` there are the 4 tildes, although I don't think they worked, so here is my signature - katsheron Sept. 16 at 0506 a.m.


 * "If I hyperlink photographs such as of his awards to my Word document, would this show up on the Wikipedia final article?"


 * I think I understand your question and the answer would be no ... I think. You can actually go to a personal "Sandbox" page to experiment with your edits.  If you look at the top right of this page you will see, "Talk Sandbox Preferences Beta Watchlist Contributions Log out."  Select "Sandbox" and perform the edit you're curious about there.  It's a safe place for you to experiment in.  Don't worry about making mistakes in your sandbox.  That's why the Sandbox exits.  Word of advice.  Since your new, I would postpone trying to add images until you've mastered the basics.


 * "```` there are the 4 tildes, although I don't think they worked"


 * About tildes and signing your posts, you have three options:
 * First option, the tilde symbol should be on your keyboard near the number key for 1 along the top horizontal row. Press the shift key and ~ to enter the symbol.
 * Second option, in your edit window you will see "Sign your posts on talk pages:  Cite your sources:  " along the bottom of the edit window frame.  Select   when your are ready to sign your post.
 * Third option, copy  and paste it at the end of your post.  You'll figure it out.  I went thru the same learning process.


 * "Going to Archives Canada this week, contacted the family of Dr. Head, etc."


 * It's important that you not do too much research right now. The reason I'm saying that is for you to focus on the technical stuff.  You actually have good reference material to draw from above.  From my observation, your greatest hurdle now is learning how to follow the technical rules of writing a simple sentence then add a citation that is formatted according to wikipedia standards.  For example:


 * "We're saying that if we don't do something about the present situation, we may go the way of England," Wilson Head, president of the National Black Coaliton, says, referring to last year's rioting by young blacks in British cities. "That's really shaking the Canadians up because they don't want that to happen here."


 * This is how you cite your sources on wikipedia. There are tools within your edit window that you use to cite your sources.  It's things like this that are your biggest hurdle.  Even if all your sources in your current draft were fine, your draft would be declined based on the manner you're formatting your sources.  That's why the reviewers are posting, "Articles on Wikipedia needs to be written as per Wikipedia's format and layout" within their responses to you. Try to master one thing at a time.  Afterwords, you can move on to the next thing.


 * "Question: Is there a time limit or a limit on number of drafts?"


 * I forgot to answer this question. I don't know the answer to this question.  Honestly, I've never used the draft process.  I've been on wikipedia since 2005.  I don't think it existed then.  Anyhow, you can use your sandbox to create multiple pages.  As for time limit, perhaps 6 months if no edits have been performed, but I could be wrong.  If I fail to answer a question you posted, then let me know.  Mitchumch (talk) 16:41, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Mitchumch

I resubmitted a draft on Sept. 21 - added an "Ideology" section and many newspaper references. I received a little feedback from one editor but now it sits there. I made some more minor edits on Sept. 22. Awaiting your response. You said in one of your comments "getting an article upon Wiki is much easier than the draft method you are using" - so what should I do?

Katsheron (talk) 11:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I would wait for now.


 * I personally think it's ready to be transferred to an article space. You did good, so pat yourself on the back.  Newspaper articles are great sources for any article.  You still need to practice on formatting your citations, but you made a good start.


 * Be patient. If any other issues are brought up, then I will work with you.  Based solely on news articles, Dr. Wilson Head should have an article.  So, don't despair.


 * I made edits (here and here) to the draft yesterday to bring the format and arrangement of text into greater alignment with standards on en.wikipedia. I combined some sections.  I don't know if you've ever clicked on the "View history" tab at the top.  If not, then do so when looking at your draft.


 * You will see all the activity that has occurred to any page on wikipedia. There will be five columns.  From left to right you will see:
 * (cur | prev)
 * time and date
 * user name
 * edit size and whether the edit deleted text (red) or added text (green)
 * explanation given by editor surrounding their edit. Sometimes this is empty


 * On the left side, click on "prev". You will see a before edit (left side) and after edit (right side) in window.  Pink will represent text that was the old edit.  Blue will represent text that is the new edit.  This screen should always be examined to see what editors have done to a page.  This is also where the reputation of an editor is established.  These edit records are a permanent part of your record on wikipedia.


 * Lastly, at the top of the draft page, click on the star next to the heart. Doing so will place the draft on your "Watchlist" (see at top right side).  If your email is provided to wikipedia, then you should receive an email when a change is made to the draft.  You may already have this selected.  Once your draft goes to the article space you can watch it be edited.  However, you may only see one or two edits per year or per day.  It all depends on the notability or popularity of an article among editors.
 * Mitchumch (talk) 14:29, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Mitchumch! I will be watching.

Katsheron (talk) 15:02, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I had to reformat the additional citations you placed into the draft. The changes you made caused a few issues that had to be fixed.


 * Let me explain what I did. The citation "http://www.learnquebec.ca/en/content/curriculum/social_sciences/features/missingpages/unit8/u8p170.htm" was reformatted as "The Black Community in the History of Québec and Canada - Unit 8: The Post War Years - Dr. Wilson A. Head".  You can find that web link in the "External links" section.  Wikipedia does not prefer to use bare urls or Bare URLs as a citation.  If the website goes down for some reason, wikipedia recommends an editor try to find the new website.  If a bare url is the only citation, then it may not be possible to track down the web page due to insufficient information in the citation.


 * The citation ""Who's Who in American Universities and Colleges", 1939-40" was placed into the body of the text as .  This citation is now listed as number four in the "Reference" section.  This citation is actually insufficient because it lacks an author, publisher, isbn, date of publication, edition (if provided), and page number(s).  Otherwise, it will be difficult to verify the sentence you attached it to due to insufficient information.  Please add as much of the missing information as you can.


 * The code  was removed in this edit.  Make sure you never remove that code.  That code you removed tells the software where to list the citations in the article.  That location is always in the "Reference" section.  When you removed that code, the software, by default, listed the citations at the bottom of the article.  You should also never place citation numbers in an article for the reason immediately before this.  The numbers you see throughout the draft in brackets are generated by wikipedia software, not by the editors.


 * To help you better understand the citation process (and other things about wikipedia) I have a guide published by the Wiki Education Foundation called Editing Wikipedia: A Guide to Improving Content on the Online Encyclopedia. It is 20 pages, but looks more like a power point presentation.  Look at page 11 (for letter H), 13 (for letter C in step: 5), and 19 (at bottom) for a graphical and brief description for reference guidelines.  Use the guide as a tool to get oriented with wikipedia.


 * Keep your head up. You're still doing good and don't hesitate to add more content. Mitchumch (talk) 00:42, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Mitchumch - I was wondering about my addition yesterday of the Who's Who in Amer Univ and Col. I will take that line out if it is still there, then. I actually emailed the web site and they scanned the book for me in an email attachment. True there is no publisher. They scanned the page for me that shows Dr. Head's name. QUESTIONS: (1) Should I copy type what is on that page somewhere, or just leave it out? (2) Wilson's widow Sandy is mailing me a copy of MacLean's magazine obituary, which I haven't received yet, and his CV which may help with more content. (3) Wilson's family want a particular photograph of him included in the final web posting. The one they like (which I can prove to you via email if you wish) is this one: http://blackhistorycanada.ca/timeline.php?id=1900 (scroll down to where it says "1975: Head Founds Urban Alliance on Race Relations".

Katsheron (talk) 07:35, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * (1) Should I copy type what is on that page somewhere, or just leave it out?
 * If you have the title page then copy as much of the information as you can to help a reader or editor find the exact copy of book page numbers you used.


 * (2) Wilson's widow Sandy is mailing me a copy of MacLean's magazine obituary, which I haven't received yet, and his CV which may help with more content.
 * As for MacLean's magazine obituary, make sure you cite all the details of the publication that you can when you cite the magazine obit article. If I find missing information, then I'll let you know.


 * As for his curriculum vitae, that cannot be cited. Remember, you are not allowed to perform original research.  Original research includes using an unpublished manuscript.  His cv would be considered an unpublished manuscript.  Since your so new to wikipedia, it's best for you to stick to books published by a university press (including well established publishing houses like Penguin Books), newspaper, or magazine articles.


 * However, you may use his cv to help you track down sources from the above mentioned acceptable sources. I know this may be frustrating, but wikipedia instituted these rules for good reason.


 * (3) Wilson's family want a particular photograph of him included in the final web posting.
 * Wikipedia adheres to a strict set of conditions on its site for the use of images. Images are regulated by intellectual property rights.  The image in use must be owned by members of the family.  And they must provide explicit consent to use that image using one of the intellectual property rights licenses available thru Wikimdia Commons.  Since adding an image would require more learning on your part, I could add the image myself.  But, all the conditions must be met to use the image.  See Image use policy for a lot more detail.  See Jim Henson as an example of a page dedicated towards an image file.


 * As for using the image at http://blackhistorycanada.ca/timeline.php?id=1900, the source for that image says, "courtesy Quebec English Schools Network." I infer from that source statement that the image is not owned by his family.  Therefore, Quebec English Schools Network must release that image under an acceptable license that Wikimedia Commons accepts.  If they don't, then that image cannot be used.  This can be too technical for a new person to perform.


 * If any of my responses don't fully answer your questions, then let me know. I'll try to provide better answers.  Mitchumch (talk) 20:02, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, again.

(1) I just hand typed exactly what it says in the old Who's Who book into the "Ref" section of the draft at the bottom. Should I leave it or just take that all out? If yes to leave it out, can you fix the added sentence in the document where I say he was on the Who's Who list - remove it? There is absolutely no publisher identifiable on the cover inside or out that they scanned for me.

(2) How about I speak to the family and get "permission" via email or get the daughter to contact you (by what method?) to give permission to use that picture? They want a picture up with the posting when it is finished. This same photo is used elsewhere on the net for him and is also the one used at York University where his awards are on display.

Katsheron (talk) 20:16, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 *  I just hand typed exactly what it says in the old Who's Who book into the "Ref" section of the draft at the bottom.
 * I reformatted the new information you added. You still need the author, isbn, date of publication, and edition (if provided).  I'm not able to find the book in an online catalog or anywhere online.  Are you able to find it online?  If an editor can't find the book, then the citation risks being removed from the article.  So, the more identifiable information you can provide the better.


 * How about I speak to the family and get "permission" via email or get the daughter to contact you (by what method?) to give permission to use that picture?
 * Is the family the original owner of the photo? If yes, once you get permission and have a digitized image on your computer, then let me know and we'll go from there.  Keep this in mind, permission means "Wikipedia media (with the exception of "fair use" media) should be as "free" as Wikipedia's content—both to keep Wikipedia's own legal status secure and to allow as much re-use of Wikipedia content as possible."  The family will effectively release his image into the public domain.  Again, see User-created images for details.  It is very important they understand this.


 * I also forgot to tell you that the sources you added that are now listed in the "Further reading" and "External links" section are sources that were never placed into the body of the article. Was this an oversight or did you know they weren't used?
 * Mitchumch (talk) 20:59, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

1. re Who's Who in Univ and Col - the web site librarian told me the book is too old to have a publisher - nothing other than a scanned photo of it. So let's take that all out. I don't want anything holding this up.


 * Will do.

2. I will ask if they have a digitized copy of the photo. Otherwise, sorry but all your explanations about legalizing the photo are completely over my head.


 * That's fine. Once you get a digitized copy, I'll try to handle everything else.

3. I knew some sources are not used in references. I thought it good to hae extra sources at the bottom, as I have seen in some articles.


 * That's fine.

4. Of course, I know I cannot quote his CV. I just thought I could get some leads off of it when it arrives in the mail.


 * Sorry. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.  Yeah, his cv should be a great source for leads.

5. The MacLean's obit should be useful. After that I will consider the article finished from my perspective and would like to proceed to getting it posted.


 * Good. See, it wouldn't take years to write an article. Mitchumch (talk) 21:22, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Katsheron (talk) 21:12, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

I have now an email from Renee Head with a scanned photograph of Dr. Head. This is the one that the family would like to see on the posting. How do I get this to you?

Katsheron (talk) 16:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

I just tried to edit the date of death on the draft but couldn't get into that section. It needs to be corrected from Oct. 9 to Oct. 7.

Katsheron (talk) 19:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Done. To upload your image follow these steps:
 * Go to Wikimedia Commons.
 * Click on "Upload" on top right side in blue.
 * Scroll to the bottom and click on "Next" on bottom right side in blue.
 * Click on "Select media files to share".
 * Locate the image on your computer and select open.
 * Click "Continue" in blue once uploaded.
 * Click the bubble for "This file is my own work."
 * Type the name of holder of image in space where it says, "I, _____________, the copyright holder of this work ..."
 * Type "Dr. Wilson A. Head" in prompt for "*Title."
 * Type "American/Canadian sociologist and community planner" in prompt for "*Description."
 * Click "Continue" or "Done" on bottom side in blue.


 * Once this is done, then I will perform other work on the image file to prep it as a complete file. I can then add it to the draft. Mitchumch (talk) 00:47, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Mitchumch! Done!

Katsheron (talk) 08:43, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I've added the image file to the draft page. I tried to crop the image to reduce redundant spaces within it.  If you are able to obtain a better image, then I would advise you to upload that image.  The file you uploaded looks good in terms of all the elements of information that needed to be there.  Mitchumch (talk) 14:55, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I have loaded a better image. I called it "Dr. Wilson A. Head image 2".

Katsheron (talk) 17:53, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Mitchumch (talk) 02:19, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Mitchumch:

I spent 6 hours at Archives Canada yesterday and also received some clippings from Wilson's widow, Sandy, in the mail. I have the following suggestions to add to the draft:

UNDER IDEOLOGY, PLEASE ADD:

He fought actively for peace and disarmament as Chairman of the Toronto Chapter, "World Conference on Religion and Peace", 1978-1984, member of "Science for Peace: Operation Dismantle", member of "Social Workers for Peace and Disarmament", on the steering committee for "Disarmament and Peace Movements", and member of "Toronto Disarmament Network".

(references for the above statement: (1) Canadian Who's Who, 1990, page 414; and (2) Archives Canada, correspondence, Vol. 3, retrieved Oct. 1, 2015.

THEN ADD: He also advocated the abolition of prisons. (ref) Workshop leader, "Economics and Prison Abolition", May 27, 28, 1983. Archives Canada, correspondence, Vol. 12, retrieved Oct. 1, 2015.

Additional reference for comment on Quakers in "Ideology" section, see "The Friend - a Religious and Literary Journal", Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Vol. 118, Feb. 29, 1945. No. 20, p. 311-312, article by Wilson Head, "A Challenge to Young Friends".

after the statement on being a "moderate", please add "He opposed segregation of the races all his life". References for this statement: (1) Pulse Magazine, Pulse Publishing Co., Editor Helen S. Mason, Vol. 4, No. 10, page 293 article by Wilson Head, "Testimony of Human Brotherhood", and (2) reference #7 as already in document with quote "He denounced the idea of all-black schools and social services, saying 'segregation is inherently inferior'".

Under Biography 1st par, comment on "series of sit-ins" and "desegrating a golf course" - should be ref #6, not 5 (at least from my view), and additional references are: (1) The Toronto Star, Feb. 3, 1993, A1 "Blacks must look at broader issues, activist urges", and (2) Toronto Onyx Lions Club - “A Tribute to Dr. Wilson Head”, Nov. 1989 - "Profile of Wilson Head" in Onyx - Tribute book by Hamlin Grange. Archives Canada, Vol. 15, retrieved Oct. 1, 2015.

ADD TO AWARDS: Toronto Onyx Lions Club - “A Tribute to Dr. Wilson Head”, Nov. 1989, Archives Canada, Vol. 15, retrieved Oct. 1, 2015.

UNDER LEGACIES, ADD: Documents produced by UARR: "Who Gets the Work: A test of racial discrimination in employment", researchers F. Henry and E. Ginzberg, and "No Discrimination Here", Toronto Employers and the Multi-Racial Work Force", researchers B. Billingsley and L. Muszynski, joint publications by UARR and the Social Planning Council of Metro Toronto, 1985. These two research studies led to equal opportunity employment that is now widely practised in Canada today.

MORE REFERENCES: Canadian Who's Who, Kieran Simpson, University of Tor Press, June 1, 1983, page 503.

The Canadian Who's Who, University of Toronto Press, Volume 25, 1990, page 414.

Katsheron (talk) 15:59, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Mitchumch My article has been accepted, as you may know. Thank you! I am trying to add a few things, with more references as well. The system is letting me add them, but no doubt there are errors in my formatting of the references. Any chance you can fix them? Please??

Question: Wilson's children (who are in their 50s and 60s) want to know why their names have been taken out, as well as names of spouses.

Katsheron (talk) 23:25, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I've been away for a few days.


 * In response to your reference request, just add  at the beginning of the reference and   at the end of the reference.  That's it.  Example,


 * Canadian Who's Who, 1990, page 414. becomes Canadian Who's Who, 1990, page 414..


 * For now, don't use .  Using that code requires some experience to use it.


 * As practice, please try to add (ref 25) Tania Das Gupta, Racism and Paid Work, University of Toronto Press, Inc. 2008. ISBN 978-1-44260-118-5. Format it like this:


 * Tania Das Gupta, Racism and Paid Work, University of Toronto Press, Inc. 2008. ISBN 978-1-44260-118-5
 * Then place it in sentence, These two research studies led to the equal opportunity employment that is now widely practiced in Canada today (ref 25). after the period.
 * Remove (ref 25) from the end.
 * It should look like this, These two research studies led to the equal opportunity employment that is now widely practiced in Canada today. Tania Das Gupta, Racism and Paid Work, University of Toronto Press, Inc. 2008. ISBN 978-1-44260-118-5 
 * Click on the "Show preview" button before clicking on the "Save page" button to ensure your edit is formatted correctly.
 * Check the "Reference" section for a new citation numbered 25.
 * If everything looks good, then click on the "Save page" button.


 * Wikipedia editors use very different standards on article pages vs draft pages. Not adhering to the standards expected of editors on wikipedia may result in having your work deleted.  Also, some editors may begin to view your edits as vandalism if you refuse to adhere to these standards.  If you can't figure out something, then just ask me.  I'll work with you.


 * About Wilson's children and spouses, I don't know why that content was removed. The edit that removed that content was this one by User:Sam Sailor. You'll have to pose that question on that users talk page. As long as you cite reliable sources, you should be able to add any content.  Good luck.  Mitchumch (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I did what you said, and it looks good in the body of the note, but it seems to have had the effect of moving the added references to the "External Links" section instead of staying in references. Can you please fix this?

Katsheron (talk) 21:35, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Mitchumch - just checked the site again before leaving for work. There is this terrible big red letters about cite error. I don't have time to figure it out - can you please fix? I have told the UARR about the article and I don't want people checking it today and seeing this!!

Cite error: The named reference Archives_Canada_2015 was invoked but never defined (see the help page). Jump up ^ Cite error: The named reference ReferenceA was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Katsheron (talk) 09:32, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Mitchumch - I have fixed it all myself, as far as I can tell! Thank you again for your guidance!

Katsheron (talk) 21:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Mitchumch,

Asking for your help. I see that the photograph of Dr. Head has been removed from this post "for copyright" issues by "Hedwig in Washington" - who seems to have no talk page. This photo was given to me with permission from Wilson's family. I have since uploaded another one, the original one that the family actually preferred, but that you said was not of good quality. I can provide e-mail proof to anyone who wants to see that the photo I have added just now was personally scanned by Wilson's Daughter Renee for us to use from the original. Please tell Hedwig or show me how to reach him/her about this, so that it is not rejected. Katsheron (talk) 09:09, 13 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm researching the deletion of both images that you've added to Wikimedia Commons. Give me some time.  I can't find the edits that led to their deletion. Mitchumch (talk) 18:25, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't mind that they took down the one of Yogacharya Oliver Black or that they didn't accept the one for Dr. Daniel G Hill, Sr., but Wilson's family are very upset to see the picture taken down. What can I do, who can I talk to to remedy this?

Katsheron (talk) 20:52, 14 October 2015 (UTC)


 * According to Hedwig in Washington you'll need to use OTRS or Open-source Ticket Request System. OTRS is a tool used by the Wikimedia projects, including Commons, to manage and archive email conversations. The email permission that the Head family has given you will need to be supplied thru this process.  For your particular situation, the instructions are as follows:


 * "Please forward us the permission to ([mailto:permissions-commons@wikimedia.org permissions-commons@undefinedwikimedia.org]). We require that the owner makes a clear statement that they release the image under a free license. To help prevent confusion or misunderstandings we really prefer one of the email templates be used. Permission grants must specifically contain a free license grant and may not merely give permissions for Commons or Wikipedia. If you have already uploaded the image to Commons, follow the instructions on Template:OTRS pending."


 * Please try to read and muddle thru the process. Keep in mind that I've never used this process.  That will probably change.  Didn't know you could do this.  Mitchumch (talk) 22:33, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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AfC notification: Draft:Dr. Wilson A. Head has a new comment
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Talkback
-- Sam Sailor Talk! 09:19, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Wilson A. Head has been accepted
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Hi. If the article has been accepted, why do I not see it on a Google search typing in Wilson A Head?

Katsheron (talk) 19:54, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I found it now. Thank you!!

Katsheron (talk) 20:00, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with... how do I indicate a reference that has already been cited. For example, in my article on Wilson A. Head, the comment in Ideology section that he was the "first" to point out racism in Canada, the reference is #6, which has already been cited elsewhere.

Katsheron (talk) 15:20, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Katsheron (talk) 15:20, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

It looks like whomever helped you set up the article already gave it what's called a ref name " after or better just put / right after the 2015 and before the >

Thank you! That works.


 * Closed this since everything seems fixed. Also fixed an unclosed nowiki tag. --allthefoxes (Talk) 18:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Gary Denniss


The article Gary Denniss has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * A local historian and teacher with no special claim to notability. The three refs provide no evidence of notability. They show he exists and has written some books about local history but no evidence of any notability. Fails WP:GNG

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Nomination of Gary Denniss for deletion
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More awards are going to be listed shortly, as I get more information. Also, Mr. Dennis is writing book #39 at this time. I have made some improvements to the page today, I believe, and will keep updating it. Katsheron (talk) 13:53, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Question: The Wikipedia article on Gary Denniss of Bracebridge does not come up in a Google search. What can I do to rectify this? Katsheron (talk) 15:31, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Question: How can I delete the message at the top of this article saying it is slated for deletion now that it is not? Katsheron (talk) 20:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The deletion discussion has not concluded yet. One editor has written an opinion but others may also add their views. An administrator will determine after about a week whether the article should be deleted or not. If the article is retained, it should appear on Google searches soon afterwards. A new article has to be reviewed by an experienced editor before Google search can see it. That won't happen until the end of the deletion discussion. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk 22:08, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * @ Katsheron: PLEASE certainly do not blank the page or delete the tag. This will more than likely result in sanctions. Making improvements are certainly encouraged, and may improve the article so others may agree to continued inclusion. This step in the process is where editors weigh in on the discussion to determine by consensus if the article is notable. An administrator is not the only one that can close many discussions, as any uninvolved editor in good standing may do so, subject to review, but many times admin closure is sought.


 * In this case, and a quick review of information, I have found indication of regional notability, but as a BLP the criteria is higher than for other articles, and a concern of the nominator is "no special claim to notability", and I am working to prove regional notability and importance. The key is referencing, referencing, and more referencing, not affiliated with the subject and considered reliable. All editors should follow certain procedures before nominating an article and also consider this when commenting, but that does not happen all the time.


 * The article has issues, and is an orphan (I am looking at links), but I think there is the possibility of sources. Some of the books certainly are of regional historical value. There just needs to be enough to provide evidence of notability. The "Lifetime Achievement award" is one that advances notability but this may not be enough to convince other editors. A criteria, aside from the basic GNG is covered under "Creative professionals".


 * My advice would be to look for and add reliable sources, that will advance that there is regional notability. Book and newspaper reviews would certainly be a plus. Otr500 (talk) 11:28, 14 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The fact that at least one book (so far), A Brief History of the Churches in Muskoka, can be found in US libraries, means it is not just found locally, or as some self-published book found only in a town library.

Thank you. We are looking for more references. Mr. Denniss has in fact, put some materials in express mail for me, due to arrive on Tuesday. I will continue to work on this article. Katsheron (talk) 11:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Mr. Denniss organizes a Langford Cemetery Heritage Day every year in May. I will be attending on May 6, and will take a photograph of him, to add to the article. Katsheron (talk) 11:51, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Another question: I have found a number of other books which cite several of Gary Denniss' books as a reference for their statements. How do I indicate this in the article? Katsheron (talk) 19:59, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I have added many references to this article and many links. The references come from a variety of sources. I feel that this article is ready for approval. Katsheron (talk) 14:01, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The article was kept as "no consensus". I figured this could possibly be an outcome. There are issues that need attention and I just placed an "External links" tag as there are way too many. I also added comments on the talk page. I trust that you will attempt to make some improvements because lacking this it can be nominated again. One thing helpful is try to incorporate mention of the subject or his award into a related article to "deorphan" this article.

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Thank you. My only question now is when will this article be accepted and the sign "for deletion" be taken down? Katsheron (talk) 11:01, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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Gary Denniss
The sourcing and notability claims have to go beyond the purely local before they count toward GNG. That is, a person from Muskoka who is known only for local work in Muskoka does not get a Wikipedia article just because coverage exists in the Bracebridge Examiner or the Huntsville Forester — the coverage would have to be expanding outward to The Globe and Mail or the Ottawa Citizen, or other members of the elite class of major market daily newspapers, before it actually counted as notability-conferring coverage. Bearcat (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

I believe ref's #10, 13 and 15 would meet the criteria, in that case. Katsheron (talk) 16:46, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * How do any of those three references represent media coverage about him? Bearcat (talk) 17:11, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Typo patrol
Hello Katsheron, you had asked on Saturday about automatic feeds to alert a user about spelling mistakes needing correction. On the WP:TYPO project page, you can find a link to add-ons such as Lupin's Anti-vandal tool, which includes a live spell checker. Be sure also to read the preceding paragraph on what should not be "fixed" (eg. British/American spellings, direct quotes ([sic]), and misspelled words in a web address or an image file name). 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 12:28, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Will do! TY.

Katsheron (talk) 13:36, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Deanna Kamiel (June 28)
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Draft:Deanna Kamiel
First, please do not top-post to my talk page. You not only posted your inquiry at the top of my talk page, but you posted it in between a collapsetop and collapsebottom where I had hidden previous top-posts. Your post is therefore invisible. If you do not know how to post to an editor's talk page, please ask for advice or assistance at the Teahouse or the Help Desk. Please do not just guess, and guess wrong, how posting is done. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Second, I will look to see if there is a notability guideline that covers her. In any case, your draft did not clearly demonstrate her notability. Again, I suggest that you ask for advice at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

If the person is notable based on receiving the Guggenheim Fellowship award, then notability should not need to be further demonstrated. I did a page on Marvin Tile based on his receiving the Order of Canada that has a lot fewer references than my article on Deanna Kamiel, and it was accepted simply because no one can deny his notability, having received the Order of Canada. Katsheron (talk) 21:53, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I checked the Wikipedia notability criterion for a biography of a person and here it is: "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times." Also, if you go to Categories for Wikipedia, and type in Guggenheim Fellowship award recipients, go to 1984 and find the name Deanna Kamiel, click on her name, it takes you to a page which invites you to create a draft for her. Katsheron (talk) 22:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Deanna Kamiel has a new comment
<div style="border:solid 1px #9accf6;background:#f1f9ff;padding:1em;padding-top:0.5em;padding-bottom:1em;color:black;margin-bottom: 1.5em;width: 100%;"> I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Deanna Kamiel. Thanks! DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 04:57, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Deanna Kamiel has a new comment
<div style="border:solid 1px #9accf6;background:#f1f9ff;padding:1em;padding-top:0.5em;padding-bottom:1em;color:black;margin-bottom: 1.5em;width: 100%;"> I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Deanna Kamiel. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 22:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

In response to your question re third parties commenting on her work, I believe the awards section satisfies that criteria, in particular, the Guggenheim Fellowship award that she won for "Maggie and the Men of Minnesota" in 1984. Katsheron (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

I have added a Reviews section. Katsheron (talk) 10:50, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Jean-Pierre Cargol moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Jean-Pierre Cargol, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 02:12, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Could you please be more careful...
Could you please be more careful?

You added a bunch of new references. But you did not use our accepted methods for referencing.

I fixed them. But all experienced contributors know it is a lot less work if the person who adds the references add them in an accepted format right from the beginning.

There are lots of guidelines telling you how to do this. Geo Swan (talk) 07:22, 22 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for "fixing" the references; I have yet to see this format anywhere on any other article, where the first paragraph of the reference and not just the title and source, are also showing. This must be a new thing.  I have one concern - there is an error showing at the bottom regarding reference #6 that wasn't there before.  Maybe you can fix that.


 * Katsheron (talk) 12:04, 22 June 2019 (UTC)


 * You just added a reference to an interview in Toronto Life. Your reference looked like this:
 * {| class="wikitable"




 * }
 * You could have included a link to the article itself. References are much more useful to readers if a click takes them to the source.  Way  back in 2008 we would have made your reference look like this.
 * {| class="wikitable"




 * }
 * But around 2008 people started to the family of cite templates. These templates have fields, which help make sure references are formatted consistently.  Using templates that would look like this.
 * {| class="wikitable"




 * }
 * We call these instances of "in-line references".


 * When a reference is used more than once you give it a name like <ref name=TorontoLife2016-03-16> . When you want to re-use a reference you already defined you place a single training virgule like this.


 * In line references are defined, well, in-line. I use "list-defined references", defining them in the separate reference section.  Geo Swan (talk) 02:05, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


 * This edit also needs the actual URL.
 * This edit also needs the actual URL.
 * This edit also needs the actual URL. Geo Swan (talk) 02:18, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you.

Katsheron (talk) 09:01, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:45, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I will continue to work on this article.

Katsheron (talk) 10:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't agree that the references I have cited are only what he has done. The opposite is true; they are all about what other people have said about him.

Katsheron (talk) 11:13, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

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Katsheron (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Help requested: I accidentally seem to have "deleted" the article from my sandbox but it still shows via a link and I am still editing it. Can you please move it back to articles for consideration?

Katsheron (talk) 19:24, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

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