User talk:Katzenlibrary

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jinmyeong Girls' High School
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 * Hi, thanks for letting me know. I didn't realize there was a set of criteria in place for being able to weigh in on these kind of discussions. I thought an understanding of the subject matter/Wiki rules would be enough. I'll check out vandalism like you suggested and look forward to giving input once I'm more experienced. Sorry if I crossed any lines! Katzenlibrary (talk) 18:24, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There isn't actually a set criterion for joining in with debates and meta discussions, but it's unlikely that someone with only two or three hundred edits has picked up enough to understand it all. When you've learned all about vandalism and reverted a few thousand, then you can take a look at the far more important task of New Page Patrol, and by doing that, you'll learn how to vote effectively at AfD. It all takes time, but you'll get there so be patient and if you need any help don't hesitate to ask me. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:40, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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With apologies, I had to revert. Please see WP:FILMOGRAPHY for why rowspans can break sortable wikitables. — ATinySliver / ATalkPage  20:37, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Unicorn (South Korean band)


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Why?
Why did you delete my Twice edit? Just because it was announced that they would debut on October 20th doesn't mean it would actually happen. Also how is Allkpop unreliable? its used as a source on countless wiki pages.
 * Because the sentence you provided only repeated info that was already in the paragraph. You did include the album name, which I added to the main sentence of the section. But repeating the song name, etc. isn't necessary and only makes the section redundant. Furthermore, allkpop is not a reliable source and just because it's used on a lot of pages doesn't make it reliable. It just means that the info on those pages comes from an unreliable source that should be updated with a better one. The Project Korea Wiki Project has had many discussions about sources such as allkpop and found that they are not reliable (copy-pasting using translation apps, posting articles with proven inaccuracies, no link to the original news source, often heavily biased articles, etc.). Project Korea has worked hard to compile a list of reliable sources for use in articles about Korean music, film, etc. You can find it here: WP:KO/RS. Katzenlibrary (talk) 21:11, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

How does "once through their ears and twice through their eyes" make sense? Bom97 (talk) 16:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi again, ! That's how a reliable source translated it. K-pop groups often don't have names that make sense (for example, Best Absolute Perfect (BAP) or Music Boys Live in Absolute Quality (MBLAQ)). It's possible JYP meant twice through their eyes as in their visuals (1) and dancing skills (2). Or, maybe he meant to say "once through their ears and again through their eyes." Either way, the quote in the article is what he said. You can't change a direct quote just because of your personal opinion. Katzenlibrary (talk) 16:21, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

You can't compare BAP & MBLAQ with Twice... BAP & MBLAQ are all in english, they don't have a Korean meaning. Twice isn't an acronym that means something. If you went up to JYP and asked him what Twice meant do you honestly think he'd say "once through the ears and twice through their eyes" in Korean... his native language? Bom97 (talk) 14:56, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What? Yes, he'd say that he named Twice that because of that meaning. You're right that it's not an acronym, so maybe I used a bad example. Take April's example instead then. The group's name means "girl you can't help but love" because "A" represents the best and "Pril" means a lovable girl. It's an odd name for an odd reason, but that's the name. Same with Twice. Chosen for an odd reason, but that's the reason none-the-less. Katzenlibrary (talk) 16:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

That source probably mistranslated whatever JYP said. I'm pretty sure its "once .. ears, once again eyes" even https://www.reddit.com/r/Korean/comments/3pit16/translation_help/ doesn't say "once ..ears, twice eyes". Also "한 번" means "once" and "한 번 더" means "once more" theres no mention of "twice"Bom97 (talk) 14:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Your source for the translation even says "I'm being very liberal with the translation." Why trust the translation of someone on Reddit rather than the translation from one of the oldest English-language Korean newspapers that is also owned and operated by a major Korean newspaper corporation? It doesn't make sense. Katzenlibrary (talk) 15:38, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Why are you acting like people don't get confused and translate stuff wrong? Anyways this convo seems pointless because you seem fixed on the present wording. Bom97 (talk) 16:07, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Why are you acting like sources that use Google translate are more accurate than major news sources? I'm not fixated on the current wording, but if you want to change it based on translations from allkpop and Reddit then we're just changing it based on your opinion and unreliable sources, which isn't the way that Wikipedia works at all. If you gave me a legitimate, solid source for the alternative wording, then I would have no problem changing it. But all you've done is express why your opinion is the correct one despite having no sources and completely ignoring the list of reliable sources I provided you with. Yes, people translate things wrong. But I expect a random person on Reddit to get the translation wrong far more than a trained, professional translator working for a major news corporation. This conversation isn't pointless based on my contributions to it, because I'm completely open to changing it if there's a good reason. You are the one leading this conversation to a dead end because no matter what resources or information I provide you with, you refuse to find a real source for your claims and insist on arguing here instead. While we've been having this discussion, I've been looking for reliable sources for your wording (what you should have done) so we could end the debate but couldn't find one. So, maybe the wording you're advocating isn't so solid after all. Katzenlibrary (talk) 16:17, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm not even going to bother with you anymore when you pretty much said JYP doesn't know how to properly speak Korean, and "google translate" lmao. Bom97 (talk) 02:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hahaha! Okay, that's fine. I never said JYP couldn't speak Korean. That would be ridiculous. Also, I don't understand why GoogleTranslate is funny. That's what it's called and it's no secret that many sites like allkpop use it. By if you want to end this conversation, that's fine. We've discussed at length and haven't really gotten anywhere. No hard feelings. Take care! Katzenlibrary (talk) 02:41, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

King of Mask Singer
Hey there,

I realised that you replaced the winning singers from Episode 29 with N/A - that would fit with the show's rules, but unfortunately the rest of the episodes are not formatted that way. Along the way one user began including names of all contestants (whether they won or lost) and I assumed it was to make it easier for readers to find out who is who without scrolling around too much. Unless you want to go back and replace the names of all contestants who won a round with N/A, I will be changing it back to their real names so it doesn't look out of place among the rest. -- HuoyuDMY
 * Hi ! I'm a little confused by your comments. The edit I made was before the contestants' real names were revealed (before episode 30 had aired), so I had taken them out because it seemed like the user who added them was including them as their best guess, rather than the confirmed identities. Once someone's real name has been revealed through the show, I have no problem including that in the article! Has the show started revealing the identities of contestants before they lose now? Seems like that would defeat the purpose of the show. Katzenlibrary (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, no worries - I think there was a bit of confusion going on about the format. All good now :) Other users seem to be adding contestants' real names before any official confirmation (their guess is often right, but that's another matter). The show itself doesn't reveal names until the singers have been eliminated.--HuoyuDMY (talk) 22:19, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's what I thought! Yeah, once the names revealed on the show I totally agree that they should be filled in. :) Katzenlibrary (talk) 14:29, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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