User talk:Kbaughan1

I'd like some feedback on my Hamilton Road article from anyone who has some constructive feedback on how it can be improved prior to publishing this as an article. Thanks in advance :-) Kbaughan1 (talk) 13:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

September 2009
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Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference
I note you are creating an article on a cemetery in Deal. For several references you give a Wikipedia article as a source. Unfortunately, Wikipedia cannot be used in this way per WP:RS. If the source is available in the Wikipedia article then that source should be quoted. If the source is offline and you do not have access to it then you shouldn't really use it because you cannot verify it yourself. Any questions please drop a message on my talk page. Mjroots (talk) 09:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem, it takes a while to learn all the rules and regs. WP:CITE will give you good info about citing sources. Mjroots (talk) 09:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Luftwaffe / Kingsdown
I too have graves of air crash victims in my photo album. But unfortunatley I still do not think your four Germans are notable. As Lance-Corporal Jack Jones would say, don't panic: you have a couple of days to copy your article off. And if the AfD decision is "delete", I do hope you will publish it on your own website. &mdash; RHaworth 04:48, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Luftwaffe bomber crash near Kingsdown, Kent in November 1940
Seriously, like the man says, do make a copy of the article. Once the Noob biters are gone, and you learn a bit more about citations, this article will make a fine addition to WP. The article is going to go down in flames in the AfD, if you excuse the expression, but you can re-post it again, later. Probably best to do so much later. Also, the more improvements you make to it from its AfD form to when you re-post it, the more solid your resubmission will appear, so working on it now is not only a waste of time, but counterproductive to the process of getting the point into the thick heads of WP deletionists. From what I have read, the contributors to the AfD do not know the first thing about the numbers of losses in the Battle of Britain, let alone the interim period between the BoB and the Blitz in which this crash took place. The very first thing I read about it showed a loss of 16 fighters out of 30 during the whole of the Battle of Britain, so this 'hundreds' thing appears to be crap. It would probably be a good idea to add such data to the article, to tie it into the whole BoB / Blitz continuum. Couple things. Do not cite WP. WP is user-edited, so it is not a reliable source (irony). You already got told off for primary sources, but there is not a hard and fast rule about them. They are considered appropriate in certain circumstances. Use your own judgement. If there is some other way you can say what needs to be said, without using them, then fine, if you cannot, that is a good reason to use them. Whether it is a good enough reason, I cannot say, and I am not only an inclusionist, but a firm opponent of application of the primary source rule outside of controversies or witnesses of controversial reliability. You put all the sources into the article. Great. That removes one of the tags from the article. But as I said, do not bother taking it out during the AfD, for the reason I said, and also people think it is cheesy to work on the article during AfD, go figure. Name the citations. ref[URL-web-address space Name]close ref. Or better yet, use one of the citation templates. Only not vertically; terrible waste of space. I used to think I was all fancy for writing them vertically but each new line is another byte of storage space, and more lines for editors to have to scroll through, so I do not do it anymore. Same process, only do not hit Enter, for a new line, as much, basically. And here is my standard template for new users:

Here are some tips from someone who has contributed to thousands of articles without really knowing anything much: Anarchangel (talk) 05:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Read and understand fully, Verifiability, Notability. And every other Wikipedia rule (List of policies and List of guidelines) you can possibly stand to read.
 * Use Google and Yahoo and Google Books, find new information there, and use templates at Citation templates to add the title of the book, and URL web address of the google book search. Optionally, (and because it works better and looks better, preferably) you can also add the author' name etc.
 * Wikipedia (WP) is unfair. You will get people messing with your edits, large numbers of editors all making bad decisions and using force of numbers to enforce them, administrators making terrible decisions, and using their powerful positions to enforce them, etc. Number one thing is, keep your cool.
 * Always use the passive voice in your discussions with other editors; do not say "You made a bad edit", say, "The edit of 8th of September contained errors". The more you know about the subject, and about WP procedure, the more that this will come automatically to you. No personal attacks is not just a good rule because it keeps things harmonious, it is a good rule because the best arguments are always logical ones.
 * Do not get sucked into edit wars, arguments, anything that wastes your time and disrupts WP.
 * If it gets too much, take a break from Wikipedia.
 * Have fun with it. Heh. If I have not taken all the fun out of it already, anyway. Good luck.


 * Hi, as you are aware, the article was deleted - please don't feel too disheartened about this. I requested a copy of it as I wished to merge some of the info into other articles, particularly Kampfgeschwader 4. Where did you get the names from? Was it David Collyer's book or the one published by the Kent Aviation Historical Society, or both? Unfortunately the way you have referenced the info in the article is not the accepted method on Wikipedia (nothing that can't be sorted out and it does take a while to learn your way around Wikipedia). Let me know what the source is and I'll add it to the article. One last thing, you don't need to sign edit summaries, the software tells everyon who the edit was made by. (don't forget to sign you posts on talk pages though). Mjroots (talk) 12:37, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Helpme tag
See: User talk:Kbaughan1/Hamilton Road Cemetery, Deal, Kent --Lcawte (talk) 16:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yo! The article is coming on fine, but you need to use cite web for the references as bare urls are now not approved of. It looks complicated but you can generally get away with . Also, you don't need to sign your edit summaries. You only need to sign on talk pages and other places where you are communicating with other editors. Best, Mjroots (talk) 08:49, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Zeebrugge Raid
Re your recent edit, Wikipedia is not suitable as a reference for articles (see WP:RS. Do you have a reliable reference for that info? Mjroots (talk) 09:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Hamilton Rd Cemetery
Did you see that bit on BBC Southeast News tonight about the tailfin of the Dornier whose crew are buried in the cemetery? Mjroots (talk) 17:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt)
Kbaughan1, thank you very much for your corrections. In the meantime I translated the additional parts from de.wikpedia:Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt) and would be glad, if you could correct them once again.

For your personel research it could be usefull to read http://www.volksbund.de > Graebersuche to find out, what Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräber knows about or should know. --Roland.h.bueb (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Roland. There was a very helpful lady from the Volksbund who helped me compile information from their records. Without their help, much of this article could not have been written :-) Kbaughan1 (talk) 11:35, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Quadrophenia Reversion
Hey, sorry about that, I actually meant to point this out earlier -- per WP:FILMPLOT, summaries should generally be between 400 and 700 words (more or less). The summary we have now is 342 (having just checked). And yours was over 2000 words long. I understand the reasoning completely, but summaries on Wikipedia are meant to be brief, and statements like the final sentence in your summary, "The position of this event in the timeframe of the film is never made clear, but it is possible that the beginning is its dénouement, and Jimmy has survived to become an indivdual with his own independent identity at last." are considered original research. Thanks. Friginator (talk) 18:23, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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