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Talk Page --Kchattin (talk) 15:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Saves Public Art! - Individual Presentation
Registration Czar – Responsible for identifying the necessary collections information that needs to be in each article—and that the Wikipedia articles work in a similar way as a content management system does. Should work with the SOS! Database Czar.

Collections Information:

Title

•	Cloud Gate, a public sculpture

Artist (could have section on artist?)

•	by Indian-born British artist Anish Kapoor

Location Description (could shorten; have section on IUPUI?)

•	Permanent Location/Temporary Location – GPS, buildings affiliated?

o	is the centerpiece of the AT&T Plaza in Millennium Park within the Loop community area of Chicago, Illinois. The sculpture and AT&T Plaza are located on top of Park Grill, between the Chase Promenade and McCormick Tribune Plaza & Ice Rink.


 * An InfoBox can be used to list basic information and the main photo. InfoBox can include Photo, Title, Artist, Date, Medium, Dimensions and Location. Cloud Gate has a good example & there are many InfoBox templates. HstryQT (talk) 22:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Sculpture Information

•	How was it acquired? How much is it worth? Interesting details? Accession number?

o	The sculpture is nicknamed The Bean because of its legume-like shape.

o	The sculpture was the result of a design competition

Sculpture Description

•	Specific dimensions? Materials? Foundry Mark? Base Info?

o	Made up of 168 stainless steel plates welded together, its highly polished exterior has no visible seams. It is 33 feet by 66 feet by 42 feet (10 m × 20 m × 13 m), and weighs 110 short tons (99.8 t; 98.2 long tons).

Date

•	Date of Construction? Date of Dedication? Any other notable events surrounding the piece?

o	Constructed between 2004 and 2006

Condition Report

•	Similar to condition reports turned in for class. SOS! Czar?

Photographs

•	Which photos will be used in Wikipedia?

•	Flickr and Meta Data Czar?


 * Should each page link to our Flickr group?

Artist Information (section on artist?)

•	Other notable work? Affiliation with University? Herron? Is this part of a series?

o	Anish Kapoor has a reputation for creating spectacles in urban settings by producing works of extreme size and scale.

IUPUI (section on campus?)

•	Brief info on campus? (Buildings associated with the sculpture?)

•	Brief info on Museum Studies program?

•	Brief info on class? --Kchattin (talk) 14:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Create Banner for our project WikiProject Wikipedia Saves Public Art!? HstryQT (talk) 22:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Collection Management System Analysis
After looking at the three collections management systems, Wikipedia, SIRIS and Remembrance, Faith and Fancy: Outdoor Public Sculptures in Indiana, I have observed many pros and cons about each system.

Rememberance, Faith and Fancy: Outdoor Public Sculptures in Indiana, is a hardback book published in 2005, discussing notable public works of art around Indiana using research compiled by Save Outdoor Sculpture!. I found this method to be a bit cumbersome. First, unless you own the book, you must borrow it from a library or historical society. This makes this system less easy to access than an electronic system. Also, while out in the field, it would be much easier to do a quick electronic search on an iPhone than to carry this clunky book around. Also, the book seems to be written more like a text book than a catalog. While it is sometimes nice to read information in a story book type context, this style made it difficult to quickly locate a particular subject if necessary. I found the condition information as well as the photographs to be minimal. Also, because this is a published text, it cannot be updated without publishing a new edition, therefore the current edition, published in 2005 was out of date in many areas.

The Smithsonian public database is an electronic database that includes Save Outdoor Sculpture! Records on the Institution Research Information System (SIRIS). Upon initially using this database, I found it to be a bit frustrating because there seems to be no rhyme or reason to what is returned when you search. It would be nice if results could be returned alphabetically or even by age. Beyond that, it would be nice if you could select the category in which you would like to perform your search. These changes would help to narrow down the list of results and make the searching process a bit more logical. However, I did find that once you have spent a little time using this system, it becomes less trying. I do find this database to have a nice amount of information about many sculptures, however, I believe more information could be added based on the detail of the SOS! condition reporting form. Also, I prefer the “Database” type format that the information is provided in. This design makes the information much quicker to digest than the storybook form of the previous system.

Wikipedia is an electronic database that works like an encyclopedia. Often, I find Wikipedia articles to be very interesting and helpful because the information and format is a nice mix of the previous two systems. I selected three articles written about public art that I felt represented three different time periods as well as have differing levels of celebrity. The three articles I selected: Cloud Gate, LOVE sculpture, and the Trevi Fountain have very interesting differences and similarities. I chose Cloud Gate because it is a well known sculpture nationwide and rather new to Chicago. I find its Wiki article to be very well written and include a nice range of information. The opening paragraph is detailed and descriptive and would give enough information to someone who just wanted a brief overview. However, I enjoy that, further down the page, you can find sub-categories of additional information about the artist as well as the design, construction and themes of the work if you are interested. I chose the LOVE sculpture in Indianapolis, because while it’s design is well known, the sculpture itself is more of a local treasure and while it is not brand new, it's not ancient either. This Wiki article differs from the previous article because there is no additional information listed here. All this article will give you is a brief overview of the works, their locations, and a brief mention of the significance of the design. I would like to see additional information about the artist as well as the individual pieces themselves. Also, it would be interesting to mention the maintenance of this piece, as I know the original has gone through rather extensive conservation. Finally, I chose the Trevi Fountain because it is known throughout the world as well as is much older than the other pieces. This article is different from those mentioned above because there is no brief overview. There are only two sentences that sum up the facts of the work. If you would like to know any additional information about the work, you must read into the sub categories, and even then, considering the celebrity of this work, the information seems brief. Of these three articles, I think Cloud Gate is a very nice mix of information and the information is listed in a logical format. The authors of this article have used pieces from all three of these systems to make their article work, and the result is quite useful.

All three of these databases could be very useful to anyone, depending on what the goal behind their research is. For a person that is simply trying to learn more about sculpture in Indiana, the SOS! Hardback book is nice. It provides the reader with a storybook guide to all of this public work. However, if you are in need of specific information about a specific piece, SIRIS or Wikipedia would be better options. Overall, I find Wikipedia to be a nice mix of the other two systems and will be a nice system for our project. Wikipedia can be written like a storybook, similar to the SOS! Indiana book or formatted like a catalog similar to the SIRIS database, or both of these methods can be combined. It would be easy to create a format where there was a brief catalog type list of information with a short overview of the work, while things could be further explained in more detail as the viewer worked their way down the page. --Kchattin (talk) 15:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Categories
The three categories I think should be included in all of our articles are Outdoor Sculptures in the United States, Outdoor sculptures in Indiana and Outdoor sculptures in Indianapolis. Though these categories are broad, I think all three of these categories are important because they put the sculpture in a larger context, outside of IUPUI. These sculptures should all be recognized on a national level as well as a local level. From what I can tell, these categories fit within one another, so if you visit the U.S. category, then select the Indiana category and finally the Indianapolis category, our sculptures will be listed there. If someone was to simply search for Outdoor Sculpture in the United States, and all of these sculptures share this category, the visitor can drill down and find that Indiana and specifically Indianapolis will be very well represented, as we should be. --Kchattin (talk) 15:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Comments
Hey! Did you figure out the template-for-deletion? I didnt see it up. but anyways if you're still dealing with it, just take out the and sub in just Indianapolis, Indiana. Check this Edit to just copy the code for it if need be! Hope this helps. Let me know if more issues arise! Kpetrole (talk) 21:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)Kpetrole

Sculpture image copyright problem
I see that you have uploaded several images that are being used in The Herron Arch 1. You may not be aware that freedom of panorama does not apply in the USA, so only the artist can release images of their work under a copyright licence though I see that you, as the photographer, of the sculpture are releasing the images into the public domain. Unfortunately you cannot do this. You should read Commons:Freedom of panorama to familiarise yourself with this topic if you don't know about it. I would suggest that all images are tagged for deletion and the lead image is retained. It already has the correct licence but under a fair-use, as mentioned in that copyright tag, no filled in rationale has been added. I can help you with that. Just leave me a template on my talk page to let me know you have responded here. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 05:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd love to have your help! I am new to Wikipedia and am creating articles for a graduate course in Museum Studies.  I'd love to retain as many photos as possible, so any help you can provide would be great!--Kchattin (talk) 16:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Happy to help out but what I stated above is basically it in a nutshell; under FOP in the USA the artist owns the derivative images of their art. So did you actually read and understand the FOP problem? On the other hand the use of non-free images is tightly controlled and generally you can only justify the use of one such image in an article under a fair-use claim. Per the non-free content criteria a fair-use image MUST comply with all 10 WP:NFCC criteria; that is policy and stronger than the legal understanding of fair-use. BTW I noticed in Template:IUPUIPublicArt that there are a number of similar styled articles to The Herron Arch 1 but by other editors. Do you have anything to do with these edits or articles? You may find it useful to read my image copyright information page that covers many copyright issues that crop up. Cheers I am watching this page for a while, so there is no need to post a talkback for me. ww2censor (talk) 16:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I believe I understand what this means. I added a Non-Free Rationale to the main image; is this what you were suggesting?  I will continue to do this for all photographs, as all are being used with educational purposes only, as that is the purpose of my course.  If you know of a better way I can rationalize the use of these photographs for educational purposes, I'd appreciate your help.  Thanks, again!--Kchattin (talk) 19:39, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have revised File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Left.JPG but you cannot claim PD for a non-free image and I have tagged it for size reduction. Under fair-use the resolution should not exceed 300px on the longest side. I'm sorry but "educational purposes only" is not freely licenced for Wikpedia and not valid for us. Either an image is freely licence or it is not, if not it must comply with all 10 of the non-free criteria. There is on better way, we don't just bend the policy to suit some images and not others, that is what policy is for. To be honest you are wasting your time trying to justify more than the one image in this article, they will still be nominated for deletion as breaching FOP, but if you have time to add rationales that will be rejected be my guest. You did not answer my Template:IUPUIPublicArt question. Do you have any connection with some of these other articles? ww2censor (talk) 19:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * If I am understanding you correctly, I should delete the gallery images but can retain my main images. Is this correct?  Will the same be true for Weather Tower as well?  I see you marked my main Weather Tower image for speedy deletion, but if I give that proper rationale as I did with the Herron Arch 1 photo will I be able to retain my main image and delete the gallery?  Again, I apologize, I am still figuring all of this out.  Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it.--Kchattin (talk) 15:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced.jpg
A tag has been placed on File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ww2censor (talk) 06:23, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced 2.jpg
A tag has been placed on File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced 2.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ww2censor (talk) 06:24, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front.JPG
A tag has been placed on File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ww2censor (talk) 06:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Right.JPG
A tag has been placed on File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Right.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ww2censor (talk) 06:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Herron ARch 1 Proper Back.JPG
A tag has been placed on File:The Herron ARch 1 Proper Back.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ww2censor (talk) 06:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Herron Arch 1 Top Detail.JPG
A tag has been placed on File:The Herron Arch 1 Top Detail.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ww2censor (talk) 06:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Herron Arch 1 Base Detail.JPG
A tag has been placed on File:The Herron Arch 1 Base Detail.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ww2censor (talk) 06:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Herron Arch Plaque Detail.JPG
A tag has been placed on File:The Herron Arch Plaque Detail.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

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Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Herron Arch 1 Signature Detail.JPG
A tag has been placed on File:The Herron Arch 1 Signature Detail.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Weather Tower Proper Right.JPG
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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Weather Tower Proper Left.JPG
A tag has been placed on File:Weather Tower Proper Left.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Weather Tower Signature.JPG
A tag has been placed on File:Weather Tower Signature.JPG requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Weather Tower Proper Front1.jpg
A tag has been placed on File:Weather Tower Proper Front1.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

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File copyright problem with File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced 2.jpg
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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced.jpg
Thank you for uploading File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the file. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front.JPG
 Thanks for uploading File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front.JPG. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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 Thanks for uploading File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Right.JPG. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Orphaned non-free image File:The Herron ARch 1 Proper Back.JPG
 Thanks for uploading File:The Herron ARch 1 Proper Back.JPG. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Orphaned non-free image File:The Herron Arch 1 Top Detail.JPG
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Orphaned non-free image File:The Herron Arch 1 Base Detail.JPG
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Orphaned non-free image File:The Herron Arch Plaque Detail.JPG
 Thanks for uploading File:The Herron Arch Plaque Detail.JPG. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude ( talk ) 07:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:The Herron Arch 1 Signature Detail.JPG
 Thanks for uploading File:The Herron Arch 1 Signature Detail.JPG. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Images
Hello. The problem right now is that the images are properly tagged as non-free works, but they're not used in any articles. See criterion F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

Why, you might ask, aren't they being used in any articles? After all, there are articles about the Herron Arch and the Weather Tower. The reason has to do with Wikipedia's non-free content criteria, a policy that provides very strict rules about using non-free images. Under point 3a of those criteria, multiple images cannot be used when a single image will suffice. Editors have deleted the image galleries from both the Herron Arch and Weather Tower articles because the galleries violate point 3a.

The whole area of copyright is a complicated one, and I can't explain it very well, but those are the reasons why the images are likely going to deleted next week. All I can recommend is that you save them on your hard drive. I wish I could be more helpful. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I really appreciate your help and kindness, Malik. I just wanted to cover all of my bases and make sure there was no way these images could be appropriately used because I think they benefit the article greatly.  I suppose I will have to settle for my single image, and that is just fine.  Again, I greatly appreciate your kindness and patience.  Wikipedia can be a very intimidating place and editors like you help newbies like me have a positive experience, thanks again. --Kchattin (talk) 01:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Weather Tower Proper Front 2.jpg
Thank you for uploading File:Weather Tower Proper Front 2.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the file. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Skier Dude ( talk ) 05:12, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced 2.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced 2.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude ( talk ) 05:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:The Herron Arch 1 Proper Front Reduced.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude ( talk ) 05:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Weather Tower Proper Front1.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:Weather Tower Proper Front1.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude ( talk ) 05:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:The Herron Arch 1 Top Dirt Detail.JPG
 Thanks for uploading File:The Herron Arch 1 Top Dirt Detail.JPG. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude ( talk ) 05:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Question for Malik Shabazz‎
I noticed your recent question on Malik Shabazz‎'s talk page. Firstly, freedom of panorama still applies to this image, so it is still a derivative work and not copyright to the Indianapolis Museum of Art even if they think it is their image to do what they want with it and secondly, we do not accept images with an incompatible licence that are limited to Wikipedia only. I thought that by now, with the notes here and on the project pages, you would clearly understand freedom of panorama as it applies to sculptures in the US. Sorry. ww2censor (talk) 15:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * As ww2censor wrote, you've got two problems. First, freedom of panorama still applies. Second, Wikipedia cannot accept photos that are licensed for use only on Wikipedia. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:18, 10 December 2009 (UTC)