User talk:Kduncan22084

April 2023
Hello, I'm Ingenuity. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions&#32;to Nature's Sunshine Products have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 22:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, my name is Keith Duncan and I work for MMI Agency, the agency that is responsible for the Nature's Sunshine website. My client has informed me that they do not want to be known as a multi-level marketing company. Instead they would like to be known as a Natural Health and Wellness Company. I would like this change to be permanent and not changed back, at the company's request. Kduncan22084 (talk) 22:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Since you are being paid to edit, you must follow Wikipedia's paid editing policies. This includes not directly editing pages you have a conflict of interest with. I've left additional guidance below. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 22:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello Kduncan22084. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Kduncan22084. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 22:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I am being indirectly compensated for my hours, correcting this issue. The main problem is that Google is pulling copy from this knowledge graph into the SERPs and it is saying that my client is a multi-level marketing company: https://www.google.com/searchq=natures+sunshine&oq=natures+sunshine&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j46i10i199i433i465i512j0i20i263i512j0i10i512l2j69i60l3.2824j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&bshm=bshqp/1
 * This is the main thing I am trying to fix here. Please help. Kduncan22084 (talk) 22:14, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Editing an article to make a company look better is against Wikipedia's policies on promotion and advertising. I'm sorry, but there's nothing you can do to change that. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 22:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not editing the article to make the company look better. The information on there is incorrect. They are not a multi-level marketing company. They are a Natural Health and Wellness Company. I have added the paid script to my user page. Could I please edit the article now? Kduncan22084 (talk) 22:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If you'd like to make a change to the article, you can make an edit request on the article's talk page, citing reliable sources that support the changes you want made. Please review Wikipedia's paid editing policy as well; editors with a conflict of interest should not directly edit pages they are involved with. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 22:21, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Kduncan22084! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of an article several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 22:35, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello 331dot, I am not trying to spam the system. I was asked to add something to my profile, so I did. Then I figured it was ok to make the edits I needed to. So that's what I was doing. I was unaware that I was still unable to make this edit. Would it help if someone from the actual Nature's Sunshine company with a Nature's Sunshine email requested the edit. I'm having trouble understanding what to do on the article's' talk page. Please advise. Kduncan22084 (talk) 22:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see your help desk post for replies to it. 331dot (talk) 22:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Kduncan22084 As 331dot says, there is more info at your Help Desk post. As it says over there,  the company's own Web site https://nsp25.company/en/marketing-plan/ says they are a network marketing company, and then that page goes on to explain all of the "levels" in what is commonly known as a Multi-Level Marketing company.
 * If the company doesn't want to be known as an MLM, they shouldn't be one. David10244 (talk) 21:36, 29 April 2023 (UTC)